John John Florence vs. Jeremy Flores - FINAL - Billabong Pipe Masters 2017

John John Florence and Jeremy Flores battle in the final heat at the Billabong Pipe Masters 2017. #WSL
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[@florentcognet]

Always fun to se the opinions of everyone! I can hardly think that Jeremy Flores, the guy who has been suspended for yelling at the judges, the guy who might be the most underscored on the CT, would be overscored in a final against the favorite surfer of our time, the gentle and humble genius JJF... pointless debate anyway, it was the best final i have seen in a looooooong time. Flores has been sooooo patient from 17’, he kept priority to wait for the wave that could maybe beat JJF! Great strategy

[@igorberon]

It's time to change WSL, listen to the world! Just have a look at all the comments... no way that was an 8.33.

[@coutchsurfer]

When you look at John John's other barrels that didn't even make his top 2 wave scores they were equivalent if not better than flores buzzer beater. Shame. The judges should be required to provide the analysis on why they scored that wave SO much higher. It's sad to see, John John owned that heat the entire time, no question, he was robbed. Terrible judging from the WSL with no rhyme or reason explaining the unjustified flores buzzer beater score... tune me out, thank you.

[@jerrymarshall2095]

Yeah what a hose job ,florence got the barrels then blew the lip off the wave for good measure.that was a disgrace

[@victoramstutz8664]

Aight but Jeremy's last wave was bigger cleaner and deaper stop hating bro

[@cooperdaley5318]

@@victoramstutz8664 no it wasnt

[@andrewrodriguez6992]

Completely agree, I just watched this final. I guess due to it being a last second wave gave it more significance, but that barrel was just as the same as all the ones John John had that weren't scored. Shouldn't have been like that

[@TMH_Golf]

LOLLLLLL ARE THESE JUDGES SERIOUS?!?!?! That was the most BS call I've ever seen. JJ out surfed him 100%

[@victoramstutz8664]

Nah bro that last barrel was way better

[@Treat.Trooper]

John John so clearly won that.

[@bh2861]

@wsl release all comp footage

[@tatepaxton839]

Lol @WSL favoriting this comment

[@bernardomenasche419]

No

[@jjohn56]

Flores should've done more on the end of that wave for that score. JJ robbed

[@kylei.3590]

Yea why so much claiming these days? There is still some nice face on that wave to gain a few more valuable points in a competition where heats are being won by decimals... Not to mention it just looks so much better when JJF flies out of the barrel and lays into that lip! So lame to see Jeremy get the score on that one.

[@andrehts11]

J John Veagence for Ewing

[@Thenotoriousdll]

Lol. 8.3 what a joke. John had a handful of waves better than his last wave.

[@nickyihaka6716]

No ducking way that was a 8.33 .

[@beachchickensmedia]

jeremys 1st wave was better than his 2nd, but the judges gave him a higher score for his 2nd one. the judging criteria needs to be reconsidered for the wsl.

[@lasker31]

potatoes63 I have a feeling that the WSL knows that the judging criteria is still prone to failure. The fact that the judges identity is a hidden secret says it all. If professional surfing is to flourish they need to fix this. Too many head scratchers and wtf's.

[@jerrymarshall2095]

Politics,florence shouldve got 10s if that last one at the buzzer was an 8.3 or whatever.

[@travisjames1263]

Sick comeback and barrel from Jeremy Flores! The 5 judges are not colluding to give certain surfers wins. Subjectively judged sports will always be controversial, which makes it fun to watch and talk about.

[@aricwright7493]

Nice Job Flores!

[@ignaciogavenda5445]

That was not an 8.33 wtf!!!!

[@JOSELUIS-ci2hs]

Not even an 8 an 7.5 at most

[@TheOlenn]

Salty people...

[@visum2517]

yes salty people

[@LucasCaaman]

Yes it fucking was

[@chicagoPTer]

You guys need to take your bias glasses off. That was absolutely a 8.33 if not better. Flores was deeper in his last barrel then John John was in any of his. John John definitely had the best session and if you totaled all his waves up he would have destroyed Flores. But they only count the 2 best waves...

[@GGGGAMER]

An 8.33?

[@alonnir2091]

One of the best heats in a while

[@bc4281]

I think that last score for Flores was payback for the last second score they gave JJ in the semis. Starting to wonder if scores are all for ratings...

[@JOSELUIS-ci2hs]

It was not better than JJ second wave. Jhon Jhon was robbed

[@scnomad3626]

jose luis cabrera I agree. Shorter barrel with no slash. That was a gift

[@reubenbuchanan742]

I was there. Total BS score on that last wave by Flores. Watching live it looked small and crumbly

[@coisasdeeros]

Imagino como deve ter doído para a WSL reconhecer a virada de Flores. Como demoraram para liberar a nota! Quando foi para dar a virada de JJF sobre Ian Gouveia a nota saiu a jato. Quando foi em situação contrária foi uma crise existencial de bastidores.

[@ganapranatha1400]

8.33? That is 7.85

[@LucasCaaman]

U mean a 9.85

[@bryantotten7315]

Jeremy pulled the tricks on the day

[@bryantotten2757]

Still think it was jjs though

[@bryantotten2757]

I would agree too

[@MUKESHPATEL1611]

WSL OFFICIAL BREAKDOWN ON JEREMYS 8.3 BUZZER BEATER : BARREL 7PTS..., AGRESSIVE CLAIM (DEATH THREAT) : 1.33PTS....

[@jakegreenberg-bell1862]

NO WAY is that an 8.33 smh

[@creature957]

That's what I thought! Rip off!

[@nthnz]

He claimed it though!!!!!!!!1

[@claytonbrown994]

Nathan Lutz Which should take a full point off!

[@TheRrobio]

Ethan Ewing sent his regards.

[@chrisahearn1735]

Rafael Rodrigues dtudy currens stylle

[@mariaveronicabeligni6306]

Josh Kerr is also sending you and Gaby his regards....

[@maltisse]

Yeah John John got robbed. That wave was nowhere near as good as John Johns second wave.

[@hexoonable]

I do think that john john surfed significantly better then jeremy overall but Jeremy was really lucky and the only 2 good waves he got where better while john john had like six really good waves but just slightly worse. I'm a john john fan btw

[@augustcurley8299]

Watched from the beach. No way Flores' last wave scored higher than 8.00. John got robbed. This is shameful. Black eye for the WSL. No confidence in judging these events. WSL needs to correct, bring fairness to judging. Otherwise, the sport will suffer. My 16 year old son watched with me and his view of the WSL is substantially lower that it was at the start of the final day. Totally shameful when our youth see judging isn't fair!

[@fishmemmo]

JJF was robbed.. shame. At least against Ethan he finished with a 360°

[@piesarehawt5042]

I’m glad for Jeremy, he needs the victory more than JJF

[@leorisean8400]

John-John got sniped by the French barrel surgeon , quit whining you sound like a bunch of Brazillian fans. Jeremy took thr score and had waited with his priority for 15 minutes for that gem. JJ looked like douche in post heat interview no gratitude towards Jeremy who won the World Tittle for him. He Failed to give Jeremy his props on stage during trophy ceremony. Congrats to Jeremy for taking down number one and two on your road to winning your second Pipe Masters. And keep trashing the halls of decedence!

[@hagen5237]

Leo Risean From the beach it didn't look that good, and I was right in front of it. It was clear that John was disappointed. How would you take it, he pretty much wanted that as much as the title. John surfed a better heat.

[@bobbuilder1730]

Did They really give him anything more than a 7.8 for that last wave...

[@Tyler-mz2sm]

I heard people talking about this earlier, and kinda wrote them off. But, now after watching it, I totally agree. That was a mid to high 7. Its crazy the judges did that when literally thousands of people on the beach were about to go apeshit when john won.

[@scnomad3626]

Seems like a home field disadvantage.

[@Nitantrujillanovlogs]

Buen surfing hermanos, desde Perú visualizando a los grandes del surfing

[@hisnameaintcatchydemonitiz3915]

Jeremies last wave was the best wave of the heat, honestly Im a big john john fan, but Jeremy just got pitted so deep on that one, like i thought he had no chance of making it out, and the judges agreed

[@scnomad3626]

HisNameAintCatchy demonitized I disagree. JJ had at least two waves just as deep and longer, with a layback finish. Shady result.

[@kylei.3590]

Yea and Jeremy just stood there like a tool after his wave and JJ finished like a boss...

[@AGATH0R]

Sometimes the order and drama of the waves in a heat dictate the scores

[@yurimichelin5297]

While some are discussing and comparing the two current phenomena of surf that are Gabriel and John F. I only appreciate how much the surf of these two is charming and at the same time siiick, I know that like any sport there is a dispute and this healthy rivalry that has what to have, just like it was with Kelly x Andy .. but just think we should not fight taking merit from one another, it is not up to us viewers to decide the note of each as each of us have different opinions .. CONGRATULATIONS JHON JHON, CONGRATULATIONS GABRIEL

[@raydragovitch710]

I don’t know why people are saying he stole this yes John John is everyone’s fav but it was an 8.33 or more he was so deep and it was so clean for a day like that

[@SimbaLoha]

JJF should win the contest...

[@johnhamilton7495]

Go back in third round and JJF lost that heat but got the score because they wanted him to win the Title...my oponion

[@JammaLamma]

2 and a half years later and I'm STILL shocked at that call. One of the worst robberies of all time, especially since it's JJF's home break and the way he was just owning that whole heat, imagine if the world title was decided on that heat, those judges might have had to leave the island under armed guard. Oh well, life goes on.

[@benjaminowen5488]

hoping for this matchup again this year tbh

[@chillymeatball]

JJF might have been robbed, but I think he could have put more effort into controlling the heat by making sure he had priority in the last 5min.

[@pyzelphantom4355]

Jeremy is a beast

[@franciscoaguiar6095]

Correction - "The best surfer in wsl" not of the world

[@surfinmuso37]

The judges seem to be influenced by the crowd reaction, which has nothing to do with scoring.

[@willisattva]

the last flores wave was so long and deep ...congrat jeremy you merit To win. and john John mérite the world title

[@maxfrontiera732]

8.33????? hmmmmm... I think I see something wrong here...

[@wutdafugchug7175]

That short barrel with a dumpy wash at the end was not worth 8.33! What a disgrace.

[@maattttt07]

I won my fantasy surf club for the year with that flip at the end!!!

[@robertlewandowski1687]

Parabéns JJ Florence opa , quis dizer JUÍZES

[@colbysilagy5072]

Congrats jjf on your second title and your 1st pipe masters stoked john could finally get a win at pipe

[@deroelige]

YEEEEEES JEREMY! i've seen him ripping since 2008 and now he made it! many congrats! so nice to see this. and also congrats to john john winning the world title again. could not be a better ending.

[@BrandenLanfeld14]

The only thing is that last wave had perfect shape which bumped the score up a point.

[@juanoquendo6480]

JJ shouldnt let jeremy go on that last wave

[@niildinhosanttos2845]

Que tubo no final 👏👏👏

[@dantheman8322]

WSL robbed ethan Ewing and gave him the score and then jj Florence got robbed so payback

[@MrYayanou]

Pls rewatch the rnd 3 heat and see clearly it wasn't a steal. Jjf waves were much better.

[@Massaricossudo]

Ian Gouveia was also robbed.

[@dantheman8322]

Everyone surfed great and had fun but I know the judges are human and they have one of the hardest jobs in the world so whenever they make a mistake everyone’s one them. I though Ewing should’ve won but that’s just me

[@ghost8050]

Josh Kerr got robbed also

[@ghost8050]

Corruption everywhere, I just unsubscribe from their channel, I'll just watch free surf from now on

[@triathlonSDhsp]

JJF surfed flawlessly. Great event and title win!

[@JMH33SD]

Tired of the WSL giving Euro and Brazilian/ S.American surfers higher scores then surfers from US and Australia. It's obvious they are trying to make surfing a world sport by pumping up those surfers scores from those countries. John John had the better and bigger waves and finished off his last wave off with a maneuver. Just complete lack of respect for the entire field and the fans. I understand wanting to make it a legit world wide sport but at what cost? You are going to lose your core US and Aussie fans and that means losing sponsors from those countries down the road. Everybody can see through the judging in these contest. It happened heat after heat, can't you see your taking food off these guys tables by doing this. Thier money is affected by what they score and where they place. John John was the better surfer in the final and yes he won that world title but that doesn't mean you hand the contest to Jeremy just to please your Euro fans because John John already got his title. I would've loved/hated to see Medina vs John John in the contest if it went that way, the Judges would've been exposed. It something that needs to be addressed. Just like Medina being a snake in the water, it needs to be addressed. The WSL just needs to be consistent and ignore who the surfer is and just judge the surfing. This is not a new problem. They used to give the more established surfers the higher scores 10 years ago and now they switched to the current play which is pump up the Euro/ Brazilian/ S. American surfers. Congrats John John on his 2x World title and congrats to Jeremy on his Pipe Masters Win, well done boys!

[@gigatywing3483]

J.M. Hanover great comment and very true. Can you please elaborate on what Medina did exactly?

[@TheRrobio]

You seem angry and a bit sad. Welcome to reality.

[@nu07]

everybody loves to complain.... the brazzos have all these conspiracy theories for their surfers....now this, a WSL plot to sell surf to Europe and South America...it's poor conditions folks...and poor conditions are ideal for different interpretations in scoring waves...just enjoy ! #gokikas :)

[@JMH33SD]

nu07 I surf, I understand changing conditions and how they effect scoring but what I'm talking about is happening in the same heat, I'm not taking about judging from heat to heat. That I get and is understandable.

[@JMH33SD]

GIGAtyWING check the heat between Medina and Slater. Slater handled it like a champ and Medina handled it like a chump! Enough said!

[@haha5571]

WSL want next year final to be Gabbi vs John John battling for title and first pipe win... thats why Flores 8.33 slightly overscored... follow the money... John john vs Gabbi is slater vs Irons $$$

[@RuiFigueiredo]

Very good final!

[@skimsk808]

When you surf so well they have to give other competitors a handicap...

[@nomoreluke7667]

This STILL annoys me. Literally have no idea whatsoever how they got this scoring so wrong. And I'm a huge Flores fan.

[@surfjabroni]

So here is an idea to avoid last minute bias: the scoring judges should not be able to see nor hear the time clock

[@thedudeabides1881]

Really really we all know who won what is with these judges I just don't get it anymore it almost makes me not want to watch it John John School his ass and the judges just give it away again

[@Della624]

Disgraceful. The Barrel that Flores got 8.33 for, was the same kind of Barrel John John got 6.67 for. Stolen was the right word to describe that win.

[@Massivewave]

This is insane John John Florence is the winner of that pipe master !!!! No way he ruled the final

[@nolanisenhour9207]

super sick

[@davidc6510]

What a battle.

[@miguelvaldoleiros3644]

Congrats Jeremy you did it again!

[@hootie442]

Any time there's a close buzzer beater situation like this they always score higher

[@stefanbicego8234]

The Surf scene turning into a frat boy jock party is linked to chem trails says new study.

[@ismaelkane3693]

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh french in force dont rage

[@cosmokoeune1912]

im french but jj got robbed and owned that heat

[@yanbrunel9553]

Cala boca

[@socalsurfer6859]

no fucking way was that an 8.33 no way. his other score was aslo a total gift. john john totally outsurfed him

[@vtsoares1898]

Deram esse 8.33 porque perceberam qe o Jhon Jhon nn merecia o titulo, entao deixaram ele pelo menos sem o titulo da etapa!

[@vtsoares1898]

Paulo Ecletik Na final sim, Mas no Round 3, foi vergonhoso oque fizeram com o Ethan, era pra ele virar a bateria, deram uma nota vergonhosa pra ele, só pra n desfavorecer o Jhon Jhon.

[@PA96704]

John John got robbed. Gabe will be there again and again!! Two of the best surfers on the planet way more talented than any other generation.

[@sebastiaocarneiro4122]

8.33 for the claim

[@ckwildlife]

Unfortunately like almost all sports out there it seems surfing has now been sold out as well. It was so clear that the last wave was nowhere near the perfect range. Oh well, from now we just enjoy the surfing and forget the scores...

[@ikaikaboo]

That last wave was so overscored. Shame.

[@clementjoubert9750]

Jj been robbed that last wave was scored that high just because it was a buzzer beater

[@bostonleier]

bull shit JJF won the heat

[@parreiramiranda]

Nice 👏👏👏👏

[@jerrymarshall2095]

The judges took a big country shit on Florence

[@fiddlestickzmuzik]

Great final could have gone either way easily, both great guys and couldn't be happier for both of them..both absolute legends of the sport imo.. just for the record all those cry babies that thought Ethan was robbed, well JJ has been underscored all year, just because he's the best he has been consistently underscored as penalty for being the best, judges giving Fredrico a 10 at jeffery's and Johns waves always 9's or 9.5 etc..prime example

[@TheRrobio]

Underscored for being the best surfer.... a whole new level of stupidity has been reached.

[@f2alex904]

Wtf is wrong with the judges

[@EmptyPocketsXotics]

The judges must have been high AF during this contest. Or be colorblind and mixed up the color of their jerseys. Or been paid off. Or Jeremy Flores must have offered the judges a couple of BJ's... you get the point, John John won that by a mile but got nothing less than robbed.

[@armelfouillen3334]

Jhon IS the best

[@loganghafouri9799]

RIP

[@johncast9565]

That was pretty cool.

[@ItsaVibe22]

But it was small

[@frolilapume2263]

Are you guys blind? Jeremy's wave was sick. Fair win

[@tysonrinker8089]

How the fuck??? Ummm john John dominated that heat. This is like twilight zone

[@calvinivy6110]

These judges should NEVER work WSL again. WTF WAS THAT? I’m completely unbiased as I’m not rooting for either. But JJ was a CLEARLY better surfer in the final. WTF?

[@frolilapume]

What are you guys going on about? That for sure was a 8 plus wave. it was big, he was super deep. John had some good small waves, really technical, but the judgement includes size of the wave, and it had the wow factor. Looked fair to me.

[@averyfun5043]

That’s so not fair... john john had the bag that Flores took the rabbit out of🥺

[@miklosargyelan5648]

this is the most toxic comment section ever

[@richeytony21]

judges fucked that up bad, no way

[@franciscosalado808]

proven that claims get you more points. john john is too humble.

[@claytonbrown994]

Who are these horrible judges??? WTF

[@CourtesyFlush808]

There is no fucking way that was an 8.33.

[@snoopjek1149]

shouldn't of been given to him

[@parraphrase]

I watched this heat live and was glad for Jeremy but after watching it again I'm pretty shocked. I guess it's o.k. to rob someone of an event win when they've just won the world title..

[@neurobook]

Just no friggin’ way - someone got paid off. That’s nuts - but with judges.....

[@joemama-kr8cy]

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