John Lough - Four Possible Outcomes to Russia's War in Ukraine and its Ambitions to Target Europe

[@rafaelsanz3441]

That´s really one of the best interviews I have seen concerning war on Ukraine, congrat !

[@mattleach958]

Thank you Jonathan and John Lough. An excellent discussion. 💙💛

[@trevorgough2286]

this channel is one of the few places on the internet where people can listen to interviews with well informed,ballanced conversations with well informed people who really know their business.no hyperbole.

[@kerifield44]

Love and admire Ukrainians and your channel for your staying power and fighting spirit. SLAVA UKRAINE ❤️❤️🙏

[@MicheldeGeofroy]

Slava Trump 😂

[@kerifield44]

@MicheldeGeofroy tiny Weiner guy you are 🥱

[@kerifield44]

@MicheldeGeofroy twunt

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

This channel should have a lot more viewers - excellent discussion. Can't say I have any faith Europe will step-up but we can hope common interest prevails.

[@TomTomicMic]

If they don't it will get worse!?!

[@DSAK55]

If John Lough wants more American viewers, he'll have to do this on TikTok

[@rafaelsanz3441]

Why on earth this YT channel doesn’t have 10 times more subscribers ?

[@pouncet1683]

Not enough pretty Video snippets and too many to long words for the people with fruitfly level of attention span

[@s_oh]

​@@pouncet1683Maybe Silicon Curtain needs a second channel aimed at the fruit-fly-attention folk. Five-minute videos with those awful catchy thumbnails with links to the real videos in the description.

[@milosmilojevic2376]

Because it's just the propaganda.... And West is losing.... Or better said West has lost... Unfortunately

[@rajivshah6128]

Because it spews lies and BS.

[@badhombre4942]

Because luckily most people are not a tard like you to fall for the bullshit lies.

[@droganabrzesctrzymajsie-e7k]

excellent interview. I can't wait to read the report.

[@judithcampbell1705]

Thank you 💛 so much for this excellent interview today with John. So from the sounds of it this war and to end it all depends on who wins on the battlefield. If that's the case, then it's up to Europe to make sure that Ukraine has the weapons, long-range with no restrictions, and everything else necessary in order to bring Russia to their knees. Thank you 💛 both Johnathan and John! John... you were great!!!❤

[@larsrons7937]

Thank you for a great interview. John Lough seems a very clear-sighted man. I found liink to the report in the description, I'm looking forward to read it.

[@Sylvie_M]

Interesting discussion Jonathan. Thanks. Slava Ukraini!

[@richardpeace4724]

Superb post...should be shown right across all main stream media...thank you gents.

[@keirswaine2183]

Sober without losing hope. Thankyou Jonathan and all of your guests. 🧠

[@RogerK9883]

Don't even think capitulation of any kind. FIRST: Where are the stolen children? Anybody care about that?

[@jakebarnes28]

Certainly not the QANON people.

[@ailinofaolin8897]

How is removing children from an active war zone considered stealing what is this nonsense.

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

​@@ailinofaolin8897

[@kadovax6567]

​@@ailinofaolin8897 that's not what happened. Children are removed from their Ukrainian families and given to kid-less Russian families as orphans. That was the first point in the ICC report.

[@ptonpc]

@@ailinofaolin8897 How very vatnik of you. Try reading the ICC report. Kidnapping children, denying them their heritage, spreading them across russia, putting them in with pro russian families (the ones who have not been sold on to less savoury things). That is not a very nice thing to do. Unless you are russian of course.

[@jimcusack433]

Excellent. Can no one explain to leaders what a Ukrainian exodus would cost? Are EU and US politicians and bureaucrats that thick?

[@JS-ti8ny]

What makes you think they care ? It’s plain as day the people behind the War in Ukraine have *zero concern about Ukrainians*

[@dchappy6985]

Apparently. Why don't you tell us all?

[@WillFinch-k4j]

Speaking as an American, yes they are and the neocons like the idea of bleeding Russian resources leaving us with only China to deal with. Ukraine is for these people is simply a means to an end. Meanwhile if you want to see where there’s support to win look at our fifty-first state of Israel. They have been given tons of the latest weapons that can’t be used in Ukraine.

[@sej8806]

Yes, sadly they are!

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@dchappy6985AfD and LePen would win on migrant hate since Ukrainians would flee en masse to Europe. EU would be much friendlier to Russia and become more like Hungary, a country that can't manage its own infrastructure or finances as it is corrupt and capricious.

[@JackWoolsey-w4d]

Mr. Fink, i believe the winter war of 1939/40 outcome for Finland emboldened Hitler and the exit of Afganistan encouraged Putin. As far as training to N.A.T.O. Standards would they be expected to advance over many miles of mines against superior numbers firmly entrenched and lacking air cover? Thanks as always for being fair and professional. Slava Ukraini.

[@18_rabbit]

great observation and questions! I've not yet heard all of this vid so will do so now, then reply if need be

[@ailinofaolin8897]

The backbone of NATO military doctrine is German WW2 doctrine, massive armoured assaults with close air support destroying tanks and armour ahead of the advancing forces or as it's usually called Blitzkrieg, these tactics don't really work against peers or near peers

[@entropiceffect]

I hope this interview inspires everyone to call or write to their political representatives urging strong and strategic support for Ukraine's victory. Politicians are cowards without people pushing them!

[@goenzoy712]

Writing letters to politician will probably not do the job

[@entropiceffect]

@@goenzoy712 not in isolation. but is still needed.

[@meso8848]

Inspires everyone ?? Haha i couldn’t even watch the video since the title is a big joke .. « its ambition to target Europe » haha what a clown he is

[@JS-ti8ny]

I did what you recommended. My state senator sent me back an email that read: “Imagine having a failed coke-head, comedian as your president who once performed a sex act on a piano live on stage…for attention…🤡” He’s not pro Ukrainian apparently.

[@sabitrisugrim9050]

Very sad ??? The world is tumbling??

[@danielf.rockwell5221]

🙏Mr Lough & Johnathan ❤ the excellent commentary. Well said👏👏👏👍

[@retorenfer8702]

Top notch assessments! Very well done. Slava Ukraine!

[@MrBudgiejoe]

Another great discussion brought to you by Silicon Curtain! Thank you 🙏 Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦💪

[@PinPointEye00]

Exactly right, in not allowing Ukraine to attack the launch sites, the US has allowed Putin to escalate. That indecision has cost the lives of many Ukrainians. Escalation management is not the way to fight a war. All means possible to allow Ukraine to gain an advantage should be explored.

[@lorenzcassidy3960]

The US tried this escalation management thing in the Vietnam War. We all know how it's ended.

[@bucksnort2216]

US republicans defunded Ukraine for 18 months to assist Russia's genocide in Ukraine. Trumps defunding them again next year.

[@bucksnort2216]

@@lorenzcassidy3960 Your Russian?

[@ptonpc]

@@lorenzcassidy3960 Who said anything about putting American boots on the ground? We are talking about supporting Ukraine properly and giving it the tools it needs to defend itself. You know what also didn't work, Appeasement. As you yourself said "We all know how it's ended."

[@mikexhotmail]

@@ptonpc Join the front line will you?

[@johnwalsh4857]

and Russia has proven itself to be the worst European army , imagine ,much smaller Ukraine held it off for nearly 3 years and bloodied it. and the Russians had to callt he North koreans to help out, embarassing.

[@pcread]

But if history teaches us anythin; roosia learns. They were humiliated by the Finns in the Winter War, but turned round their battle-hardened forces and emerged dominant by 1945.

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

@@pcread That's very true - every army learns from its mistakes. And do we think most of the European troops would do any better? I doubt it. Ukraine has probably the best army in Europe right now so they seem the best bet.

[@martstam2016]

It's irrelevant. Only war where Russians didn't lose at neast 1:3 was liberation of Manchuria 1945 when they demolished Japanese in 1:10 losses ratio.

[@odin9215]

@@pcreadonly because of lend lease act 1941 from USA. Otherwise outcome for ussr would be different.

[@pouncet1683]

​@@Lawrence4000-s3k differene is that eu countries do not throw away soldiers as easy as russia. If your troops survive longer and command who acts dumb is replaced the army learns much quicker.

[@patdoherty6563]

Another outstanding interview.Can we imagine if the present NATO leaders were around in 1939.

[@MrBudgiejoe]

Now that would be a nightmare 😮

[@kotenoklelu3471]

It's not 1939, it's 1914.

[@jamesrussell1979]

Very interesting and very informative 👍 👌 👏

[@davemccrillis1470]

The contradiction of “enormous Russian losses” vs “Ukraine inability to continue a long term war” doesn’t seem to add up. Both cannot be true at the same time. There will be no pause no “freeze”to the fighting, period. Attrition is hurting Russia and nato ability to continue the conflict. I’d love to see the US leave nato, Ukraine join nato and leave Europe to defend Ukraine, that would be an excellent trade. As far as lack of support from the US and EU, combined they have spent 2-3 times more defending Ukraine than Russia has on the offensive. As the UK involves themselves more and the US withdraws, who’s going to protect the UK since they are well within striking distance of Russia ?

[@seanfallon4580]

What a fantastic interview with John , a great well balanced view

[@joe2mercs]

I think we are missing the big picture. The GDP of Europe is $18 trillion and that of Russia is $2 trillion and declining. Russia is struggling and perhaps the time is ripe for Europe to flex its economic and technical muscle by providing game changing aid to Ukraine.

[@goenzoy712]

Wonder from which muscle you are talking about.GDP doesn't produce any weapons And soldiers to operate them even less so

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

@@goenzoy712 That is a relevant point, yes! Sadly the EU only ever thinks in terms of trade and not strategy. Allowing Brexit and the way they treat Turkey with near total contempt is mystifying.

[@chacka4292]

The funniest thing is the GDP and their export. Russia this year got surpassed in terms of value of export by Poland.😂 Country without much natural resources and few times smaller by both population and especially landmass. People overestimate russia influence and importance by a huge margin. Their only influence left is deteriorating military power that they earned from USSR and their 'madman lunatic' value that influence few countries that live off unrest and chaos.

[@laclave699]

Europe is rich for sure, but even with all the money in the world you need the political will to make things happen, and that will is lacking

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

​@@goenzoy712this is stupid, not every country in the alliance is a coward as the EU. Australians and Canadians will give their life to stand for democracy and sovereignty.

[@defendandprotect-om5hv]

Trump and pootin should meet in the Hague.

[@lorenzcassidy3960]

...and share the same prison cell.

[@davemccrillis1470]

@@lorenzcassidy3960The mind of a liberal. Such a waste of oxygen

[@tanjiro2507]

​@@davemccrillis1470not need to be liberal but the mind of an idiot as you is a waste

[@jonson856]

@@davemccrillis1470 The mind of an illiberal. Such a waste of oxygen

[@lorenzcassidy3960]

@@jonson856 The mind of illiberals doesn't need oxygen: that handful of neurons are floating in the vacuum anyway.🤷

[@stevenjohns-savage7024]

Thanks Jonathan 🙂

[@BillHildebrandt260]

Slava Ukraine! Thank you John

[@mike4480]

Thanks Johnathan and John for the discussion and look forward to reading more info this report . 💙💛💙

[@johncromwell2529]

Fascinating interview Thank you

[@vt21081]

I had no idea MI6 had its own channel. 😂😂😂

[@tages_matuna]

Jonathan, it worries me that since trump was elected, I noticed a race of wishful thinking has started every where, from every source, every commentator. It is not a good position to be when your destiny depends on hope. I think we should push instead the ideas that we, in Europe, we have to do the job ourselves, whether US in on board or not. It is about our security and the security of Ukraine. What do you think?

[@jakebarnes28]

Maybe we'll sit this one out. Americans have been told " Yankee Go Home" for 80+ years. Maybe it's time to go.

[@18_rabbit]

@@jakebarnes28 !? watf? i'm an american in his midfifties and going strong. You sound like a typical fellow american who didnt pay attention in school but also hasn't taken a history course ever? or learned the basics in whatever format about the 20th century history? Learn things man, bcuz there's no such thing as sitting a regional war like this one, which is actualy not regional now bcuz it's gone on for 3 years while Iran, NKorea and others have joined in. U clearly know nothing. Ru is actively trying to harm U.S. interests and society thru hybrid warfare, to our only actual allies on the planet, europe/Western-nations including asia/pac. Get your head out of the sand or u will be left behind in every way!

[@jonson856]

Yeah I have noticed that as well. I categorise that as coping mechanism. He isnt even in office yet. Unless Trump does at least 3 things that are good for Ukraine against Russia, I will remain that Trump will make America an unreliable partner to Europe.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@jakebarnes28Most of those are just jealous of US influence. They weren't really interested in freedom. Cuba sent arms and troops abroad to Africa etc during the Cold War. Vietnam worked in Cambodia alongside the Chinese after the Vietnam War before the Cambodians went really nuts.

[@joeblow3990]

@@18_rabbit Wow!!! "Russia is actively trying to harm US interests" Really????? Russia is currently fighting a war in Ukraine for the sole purpose of preventing NATO expansion into Ukraine. The fighting is taking place a few hundred miles from the Kursk region of Russia. Kursk is where the Soviet Union (mostly Russians) defeated the German Wehrmacht at the battle of Kursk. The cost in Russian lives was hundreds of thousands of dead Russians. So when there is a western army (NATO in Ukraine) attempting to encircle Russia when there are still Russians who have memory of the last time this aggression was attempted....you can bet the Russian war effort will have popular support in Russia. The idea that the war in Ukraine is all about "Russia actively trying to harm US interests" is totally absurd. That is why it is evident that the American population is so propagandized they are unable to distinguish truth from illusion.

[@exXwULrFni]

agree, the words like "we will support as long as it takes" is a very detached stance

[@daicekube]

Now, this was was a very interesting conversation indeed. And I finally heard, at the very end, what I think is the only viable outcome. Because no matter if the war goes into stalemate, Russia wins or "loses"... Russia remains! And I object in a way to this being Putin's war. I mean this is Russia's war and Putin was just the right guy in the right place at the right time (to push that great, big war-button). Russia must lose until the very destruction of the Russia we know today. Today's Russia must not be allowed to continue to exist. It must be totally reshaped. And THAT is a really tough nut to crack because we, the West, can't and mustn't interfere. Give advice, sure. But no hands on like back on the late 80ies and early 90ies. And it will be hell for Russia and all the Russians. As far as I see this, that's the only way out of this. And until Russia is ready to, sort of, reenter the rest of us they must be kept in total isolation.

[@vasilisvasili3231]

Good dreams ...

[@raraavis7782]

And that's the elephant in the room, no one is talking about. Even if there was a peace agreement acceptable to both sides...Russia as a threat is still there and would only continue to grow stronger and more belligerent again. Even a certain someone's sudden demise wouldn't likely change that. If Russian society doesn't undergo a fundamental change, the next guy in charge will be just as bad.

[@MrBudgiejoe]

Yes, you are correct. The trouble with someone like Trump is that he tries to appease and befriend. Big, big mistake when dealing with dangerous autocrats 😮

[@stevealba56]

Your thoughts were once called "vast programme". What is really needed is an agreement on the "influence zone" of the major countries. The problem is that after the fall of URSS the U.S. believed that their zone of control includes the whole world..... Of course as of today Russia and China strongly disagree....

[@rambleon3698]

Dream on. Russia's doing fine. They will never again believe the lies of the west. They have better more reliable friends now.

[@agustinussiahaan6669]

Thank you, Jonathan. Peace in Europe.

[@NatalyaLesnikovskaya-er1sz]

A very objective and informative interview. Thank you

[@rafaelsanz3441]

UK has been the best Ukraine s ally, respect for the United Kingdom (and shame on US and Germany).

[@Notrusbot]

If it weren’t for the “helpers” from England in the form of Boris Johnson, the war would have ended in March 2022. It was he who convinced that Ukraine could win on the battlefield. Now Ukraine is economically thrown back 100 years, huge losses, cripples, loss of territory. With such friends there is no need for enemies.

[@46Ladyk]

Excellent analysis. Well done guys!

[@rolfiversen-u1d]

An excellent insight. Thanks.

[@johnfallon6906]

Thanks John & Johnathan 🎯🙏🔱🙏🎯

[@PinPointEye00]

The best candidate for Nato membership is the country that is doing the best job in defending Europe from attack. To not allow Ukraine to join Nato would be very damaging to Europe, but also an incredible insult to Ukraine.

[@MrBudgiejoe]

Agreed. And if Putin were allowed to take Ukraine he will Russify it and use it against us. That’s why it’s absolutely essential to stop it NOW.

[@michaeljohnson3256]

Great show

[@davidl.7317]

When has the U.S. ever not been a nation to not defend an emerging democracy. At the same time, UK, Europe...wake up. Things are not all quiet on the western front. Please prepare.

[@danwelterweight4137]

You call Ukraine a democracy😂 Zelensky's mandate ended on June 20th, 2024. He is ruling the country without a mandate. He banned all elections and all political opposition parties. He arrested the leader of the main opposition party. He shut down 4 TV stations and 11 newspapers. He has his secret police going across Ukraine arresting and torturing anyone who speaks against the war and against his rule. They have a kill list of people who have spoken against Zelensky's government thst includes even children. He had Chilean American citizen Gonzalo Lira murdered because he spoke against his regime. He is surrounded by Stepan Bandera worshiping Ukranian Nazi paramilitary militias. People who worship WWII Nazi Collaborator Stepan Bandera and his fascist bunch People who massacred hundreds of thousands of people in WWII And you call Ukraine a democracy. Buddy I come from Canada. We got 800 000 Ukranians here. Many of them come from the diaspora that fled Ukraine during WWII. They collaborated with the Nazis in WWII. Our deputy prime minister Crystia Freeland is one of them. Her grandfather was a man called Michael Chomiak. He was vehement supporter of Hitler and Stepan Bandera in Nazi occupied Ukraine during WWII . He was a newspaper journalist who wrote all sorts of anti Semitic articles during WWII. All these people were given safe refuge by the West after WWII to Canada and the United States. The West then supported them and funded them since the 1940s till now with money and support. You are literally supporting Nazis. You dot believe me Our parliament here in Canada literally gave a standing ovation to one of them when Zelensky came to visit us here in Canada. He served in the Waffen SS Galicia Division. He has been living in Thunder Bay, Ontario for the last 70 years. He and many other Ukranian Nazi Collaborators was given free refuge to Canada after the war. They allowed them to organize here, they funded them. They built schools, community centers they indoctrinated their children. They used to sing songs to Stepan Bandera. They celebrated his birthday. They built statuses after him. Stop being believing in Western propaganda on the idea that Ukraine is any sort of democracy These people are literally evil. You have no idea who these people are.

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

US did not Defend India when we wanted Democracy. The Soviet Union did. US supported Pakistan and you know what kind of Democracy they are.

[@18_rabbit]

@@koiguidenishikigoi4972 US had no ability to support India then, for a couple reasons.

[@GarrFagen]

​@@koiguidenishikigoi4972 Yes, and worked closely with Pakistani Intelligence. Ultimately, it falls into the "blowback" category, which Americans excell at producing. As an aside, look at the affects of decades of predatory capitalism on polulations in central and south America. From afar it must look like a giant incentive scheme to draw undocumented immigrants (read underpaid labor) into the US. Some things never change.

[@mlight7402]

TY, excellent info.

[@SkyGlitchGalaxy]

Far more European money(for Oil and gas) has gone to Russia over the last 3 years, than has gone to Ukraine. For Ukrainians, European response has been maybe the worst possible response . Now after all that sacrifice, it really feels like we are accepting a Ukrainian loss 😢

[@betterdonotanswer]

Mr. Lough was arguably the best expert on this channel for months. And very British by the way, bio-computer in a good sense. Still, nothing was said about the most obvious and realistic outcome that would be the collapse of Muscovy and the emergence of smaller national states instead. If nearly depleted Germany did it in 1917 by financing just one ultra-populist party named the RSDRP(b), then prosperous Europe can do it all the more.

[@DarkestAlice]

Thank you, Jonathan and John Lough, for this excellent conversation. I hope, Ukraine will be able to build up their own capacities, as I don't see anyone taking the lead. Even if the UK would do so, it is obviously not possible to move an inch without U.S. approval (a topic that I would be interested in: Why does the UK need U.S. approval for allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow for long-range strikes? Does not make any sense to me). So either way, without their self-produced weapons, Ukraine would be facing the same dead end she is facing now. 🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦

[@zdenekzdenek3589]

No, it wasn't "unlikely" that Putin will try to take whole of Ukraine. And more for that matter. His rhetoric is fairly clear.: Russia is the best and only, it is destined to rule, it needs to take back all the territory it ever held and lost. And that includes all of territories of imperial Russia, USSR and re-establish buffer states in Europe. Period.

[@MrBudgiejoe]

Sadly, Mr Putin lives in a much earlier era 😢

[@GodwinGodfather]

Educate yourself

[@Notrusbot]

Putin never said that he plans to take over Ukraine. Perhaps the media you believe have distorted the information. on the other hand, why Ukraine? There is Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, they are also former countries from the USSR and the Russian Empire, why not start with them? Perhaps by answering this question you will understand that the restoration of the USSR is a lie from the Western media, nothing more

[@timtrewyn453]

What Britian and Europe can have been doing since the invasion is a steady buildup of the Ukrainian Air Force. This is necessary because the structure of NATO relies upon air forces to deter Russian aggression. NATO was never going to be able to replace air power with 600,000 artillery shells per month. The NATO method is precision strike, which includes a large percentage of munitions, not all, delivered by air power. If this air power building effort has been underway since 2022, then we should start to see some serious fruition of capability in 2025. Certainly US and other armed forces put even more time into training combat pilots than three years. But three years of training can get a pilot prepared for a small set of mission types. Serious Ukrainian air power, in the form of adding a wing (say 72 aircraft with aircrews and all support) per year starting in 2025, can tilt the war into a set of circumstances that motivate Putin to cut a deal. Putin's MIC has its limits, and those limits have required the depletion of stored armor and artillery that to date have allowed Russia to fight with a tempo it is losing the ability to sustain. Russia can probably sustain some tempo for many years. But a larger and well-equipped Ukrainian air force can concentrate combat power on vital locations that will put Russia in a much more defensive position and subject to loss of those vital locations. Ukraine can only do this with significant European assistance, and as much as it can get from the Trump administration. I can see the rhetoric teeing up Trump to look weak if he does not continue significant assistance to Ukraine.

[@timthetiny7538]

lmao. In 3 years, they've trained 5 pilots. You think theyre going to train hundreds a year going forward?

[@cyclewisconsin105]

@@timthetiny7538 There are more than 5 pilots trained but not many and training is ongoing.

[@timtrewyn453]

@@timthetiny7538 If they don't, then it is unlikely they can maintain their country.

[@18_rabbit]

@@timtrewyn453 yes, unless a coalition of the willing uses its systems directly to neutralize the parts of Ru's military that are making this war. The most it would take is an estimated three weeks! Ru has nothing, essentially

[@stevealba56]

May be you didn't realize that russia is currently the N. 1 missile manufacturer and its Iskander are more than capacle to hit ukrainian airport and hangars on the whole territory. Additionally the only airplane available for ukraine are older F16 and as of today we didn't see them used in any mission. So I'd suggest not to follow dreams that can't come true.

[@janaadamcikova]

Very insightful, thank you for yet another brilliant interview.

[@petermallm149]

Pretty comprehensive analysis ! I think that Putin's move to add North Korean troops to the theater was a big strategic mistake. Also, most recent Russian humiliations of Donald Trump on main Russia TV with regard to Donals Trumps wife Melania adds more explosives to the scene. Is Putin still in control of his media, or do anti Putin groups make his position now deliberately really difficult ? With regard to the collapse of our government in Germany I think that this does help Ukraine, cause Still-Chancellor Olaf Scholz of the socialists never really was in favor of Ukraine nor the West, cause he's got completely different historic roots. He stands in direct line with Angela Merkel, who pseudo negotiated with Minsk, only to let aus now recently, that she never intended to fill this agreement with life as it was only meant to gain time and rearm Ukraine. Now as we know, that never really happened. On top of that she later stated, that she couldn't see any point in supplying weapons to Ukraine (that was prior to 2022) at the Munich Security conference. In 2019 she stated in public: 'China is our strategic partner.......' and on top of that she would give an interview on her last NATO summit attendance as Chancellor of Germany, that decisions to declare Russia & China as hostile states representing a threat to NATO would still have to be reconsidered, only to give up on that position the next day when NATO officially declared its new position. You can read a bit about Merkel vague position in this (German) article to the ZEIT, where Merkel also promised, that Germany would target to hit the 2% of BIP Defense Budget by 2030 ! The might explain, why Donald Trump never visited Berlin in his first term, but Ramstein Air Base ! Macron was right when he concluded in 2019 that NATO was somehow braindead, indirectly referring to Germany as a Russian/Chinese submarine in the core of NATO. We can't and won't go on like this in Germany - a new government is on the horizon and to be honest, it can't get much worse than in the past. I was a soldier in the German Bundeswehr some 40 years ago, and me as many others (comrades), are completely sick of this deliberate destruction of our Nation, of Europe & NATO by Russia and China minded German politicians of different parties, meaning SPD and CDU the Greens in particular, as mach as now the AfD.

[@18_rabbit]

danke for that input! Much appreciated here in the U.S. That was roughly my impression as well over this past decade, and i sometimes asked my german old friend who has been a Berliner for most of his life, we're not mid fifties, he's a Ddr-nick who only served a week in service when the wall came down! Btw, DWelle has been very usefull in Ukr coverage, e.g. especially the recent 40 min segment on the drone-training on civlians in Beryansk.

[@shremich4583]

@petermallm149 AFD and BSW are more in the pocket of Putin and they will stop spending and providing Ukraine if they win the election. China is a big market, Germany as export nation need the access.

[@18_rabbit]

outstanding interview! He is deeply thoughtful with insights rare.!

[@paularivero1878]

Amazing interview! I have learned a lot. Thank Jonnathan and Chatam House expert

[@johnswimcat]

A top favourite this one. I am grateful for access to minds as good as this

[@barrylane1055]

Important talk. Thank you once again!

[@s_oh]

Very informative discussion with an extremely knowledgeable expert. Thank you!

[@Liisa3139]

Jonathan, I have been looking for a book that would give me basic information about different regions in Russia. We mostly just hear about Moscow and St Petersburg, but there are many big cities with a considerable number of population. What are the strengths and weaknesses of Novosibirsk, Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod, Krasnoyarsk, Omsk, Volgograd, Vladivostok..? Do they have a university or car production or important military concentrations or what? Which cities have been on the rise in recent years and which have been stagnant or in decline? What is their ethnic profile? What does their future development look like? I want to learn some basic things like these. Is there a book that you could recommend?

[@petermallm149]

Danke!

[@claireanddexter]

Your presentations have been of extraordinary quality! Thank you. What will we all do if this war ever ends?

[@stevoplex]

If Russia insists that Ukraine cannot join NATO, then USA must insist that Russia cannot join NATO either. Fair is fair.

[@wlhjr77]

Great discussion, thank you guys.

[@nicholasgranat2999]

Interesting ,thank you!

[@serhiyuryn8976]

Thank you for great talk

[@MonteRosa849]

Ukraine will get $6 Billion worth of military hardware from the US in the next three months. That should help Ukraine at least through the winter and spring. There is no doubt that Ukraine can still win this war!🇺🇦✌️

[@18_rabbit]

delivered? takes more than three mos to deliver that. DJT will have to be part of the big effort for success in Ukr, so here's hoping but we yanks need to write emails every day to our gvt to push it out of slumber!

[@jacekchmielewski6372]

Please don’t lump Poland and it’s increased in military spending and awareness of the thread by Russia with the rest of extremely shortsighted, so-called leaders in Germany, France, other countries in the European Union and beyond

[@kadovax6567]

France is surely not short-sighted. Don't know where you got that from

[@m.walther6434]

I'm quite perplexed about the lack of strategic intelligence and planning. Expertise abound, but very little will to use it. This short-termism kind of thinking is very disturbing.

[@18_rabbit]

u need a goal to even have need for planning. The US has not stated any goals of meaning. Hodges and other military leaders have explained this factor which is THE factor of all !

[@paulross225]

I've always understood that the phrase "as long as it takes" meant in this context, that the Russians would be pushed back to the internationally recognised border line of the RF and the Ukrainians own borders to be fully secured against further Russian incursion. Indeed, I thought that this was the understanding within the international community! Why there appears to be so much confusion about what the end, game should look like is beyond me! After the Russians are pushed out of Ukraine and the expected howls of protest and sabre rattling from their side has abated, the status quo will again be established with both sides having learned valuable lessons from this grisly little war.

[@VoltageLP]

Nobody in Ukraine would stand for a deal that includes giving up Crimea. There's nothing russia can offer in that deal in exchange to make that worth it.

[@RaineriHakkarainen]

Crimea was part of Russia in 1954! Dictator Khruchev ilegally moved Crimea part of Ukraine! The reason this war is Russian speakers in Ukraine do not want to send money to Kiev central goverment! How about Northern Ireland or Cyprus or Falkland or Diego Garcia! Great Britain or Turkey do not give Cyprus or Northern Ireland back! 2,5 million russian speaking jews have moved in Israel! They have not lived there 3000 years! Russia was founded in Kiev Ukraine! Russian speakers in Ukraine have lived there 1000 years!

[@kadovax6567]

​@@RaineriHakkarainen you mean Russia colonised Crimea? And now claims Crimea is Russian 😂 The original people of Crimea are the Tatars. Russians arrived there when Stalin deported the Tatars to Siberia and replaced them with Russians and some Ukrainians. Kroutchev gave Crimea to Ukraine because Crinea was worth nothing economically. Putin claimed Crimea is Russian because he needed a foot in the peninsula to be able to invade Ukraine from the south and cut off Ukraine access to the sea.

[@kadovax6567]

​@@RaineriHakkarainen Russia had to invade Kiev so they're surely not coming from there 😂 they come from somewhere else, named Moscovia. Please open an history book.

[@Notrusbot]

​@@kadovax6567another history buff, can you then say who fought in the Crimea in 1853? Tatars with Turkey? or is it still the Russian Empire, perhaps Russians lived there before Stalin personally shot everyone

[@nvkulk]

When the magnetic elevators -- think of it -- magnets. Now, all I know about magnets is this: Give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets,"

[@AlanSari2714]

Great interview

[@skippy9659]

Finland needs to take the lead

[@jamesreid6494]

And let's not forget, DT's many media friends...

[@skippy9659]

..as seen here.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

The former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kuleba, said in a recent interview that Biden had a folder on his desk telling him Ukraine would lose this conflict. Don't any of you actually keep up with the news?

[@ghalston5641]

Quite a rambling conversation, this one…. Halfway through and still no exploration of any of the four scenarios…. Except oblique commentary about US policy possibly leading to long term war with Ukraine losing slowly. At about 20:00 we open discussion of the second scenario, negotiated settlement with territorial partition, and possible security support from Europe. At minute 32:00 of 37:00 we finally open mention of the final two scenarios…l

[@gatonegro5193]

Thank you, Johnathan, 👍👍👏👏🫶🙏🫡🇺🇦🐈‍⬛

[@stephenhill545]

I wouldn't want to be Kazakhstan or Georgia if Putin gets away with it.

[@kennedyjames007]

Too much money goes into these wars win lose or draw. Corporate interests need to be held accountable.

[@mtytst1]

I think one of the possibilities "Defeat of Russia", actually could be considered as two possibilities, 1) defeat of Russia militarily on the battlefield or 2) defeat of Russia economically so it has to withdraw. I think the latter is a very likely outcome if Ukraine can sustain the war into 2026, and I would suggest that should be the west's objective.

[@ampila]

It should be reported to Trump that the Russians are eating cats and dogs.

[@artmcteagle]

Excellent conversation, however why are the matters of war reparations, war crimes ignored in these 'outcome' scenarios?

[@PeterXiao1]

Nobody should listen to what the British have to say about this matter, especially the Europeans

[@nian60]

As a JEF member I agree that JEF might be the better choice for Ukraine. There is no country blocking anything in that alliance. Everyone are on the same page.

[@eisenstahlbrenner3516]

The Nordic prime ministers have all talked about Ukraine Winning!

[@justint7460]

Lets see how the people of the UK feel about giving billions to Ukraine when their own country is falling apart...

[@ColinWilkinson-p2y]

Poland should reconvene the Warsaw Pact but this time pointed East. No NATO should make Putin happy.

[@bogartICQa]

As a German I fully agree that the UK has the most straightforward Ukraine policy in terms of support and stopping Putin. And I am ashamed of the cowardice of my country. I really do not understand why so many fail to see what Russia is which makes me believe we are pretty much on the trajectory to WW3, which the U.S: will learn after some of their bases have been blown up by China.

[@skruppy222]

Why would China blow up bases I. Europe? One of its biggest economic markets is Europe

[@nimrodlab1]

Your country can give basically nothing as broken and occupide 51 satellit state of US....Countrys needs a decades build up miltary thing that west didnt do in long time...

[@lostinthought475]

To maintain an empire you have to flex your leviathan of military might and show your willingness to defend your frontiers and expand your influence. Yet starting civil wars in the country with the largest stockpile of nukes seems strategically stupid and dangerous.

[@M_y_st]

Who is doing that?

[@alvinseah5423]

Most important is what Trump is going to do. If all US aid to Ukraine is cut off, no amount of support from Europe will make up for the lack.

[@GodwinGodfather]

Charity begins at home

[@vladizolot8123]

War is just began

[@arthurbister8894]

I really don’t like it when you blur the background

[@madeleinesuzette]

Great interview, thank you John & Johnathan. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇦🇺🇦🇺🦘🦘🦘💪 Good to see you over on Bluesky 🦋 👍

[@dwarftomatoproject]

The tightrope walking that Zelenskyy is forced to do with the flaky support delivered is really showing up on his face, he looks 20 years older 🙁

[@SkyGlitchGalaxy]

I don't think Trump's pulling any rabbits out of the hat. But I think he could undermine Russia with energy policy. US money for Ukraine is over. It's a European war, Europeans could step up funding. But it's hard to see that too :(

[@timmommens901]

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[@antoniomoyal]

There is a strategy; just a flawed one.

[@louisebean9428]

Everyone knows that Trump is going to throw Ukraine under the bus ! 😂😂😂

[@mrnobody3161]

Be content in your misery, Clone.

[@lionsprofit]

end war

[@rafaelsanz3441]

Minute 33: the most important moment of the interview. The woke mentality, the weak and coward attitude of the Western politicians. Each day I see more and more inevitable WWIII approaching, WWII proved that appeasement lead inevitably to War.

[@jakebarnes28]

Can you define "woke"?

[@pouncet1683]

​@@jakebarnes28 performance social conciousness like gendering language. Real woke would be equipping people for success, what happens is rigging the sythem to make them succeed That is advertising your goodness not fixing the issue.

[@rafaelsanz3441]

@ In Foreign policy, an appeaser, a kind of Joe Biden or Jake Sullivan.

[@nian60]

The "non-wokes" just won the US election. WTF are you babbling about? The non-wokes are in charge everywhere.

[@tasgotsis2468]

So what’s going on the ground.