JOHN McLAUGHLIN & ERIC CLAPTON | The story of CREAM & LED ZEP is stranger than you think!

[@emptycloud2774]

Videos like this is why I listen to Andy for about a year now. Thanks, it is like having an awesome uncle tell me stories about music with such enthusiasm. Thanks, Unc.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

@RickBeato I hope you don't mind me using your interview footage with Dennis, I'm so happy to get that bit in the context of this video....

[@jimdep6542]

I hope he doesn't mind too. I enjoy hearing this from you.

[@davekijek2302]

Beato was a Jazz snob too.

[@Composer19691]

@@davekijek2302Beato thinks 90’s grunge is the greatest rock ever.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

@@deetee4403 You are a troll. He has, twice. He watches the channel.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

No one group created Jazz. Not the Spasm bands, Not the white jazz groups that predate Bolden, not the assumed Black groups that pre date 1890. My claim is they all did, they all played a part. But you keep misrepresenting me here because you are a troll. You have become someone who pours over my videos and these comments looking for a way of undermining my position without actually stating any counter argument. Dropping little replies to other peoples comments. I have 1/2 million people watching this channel a month. The vast majority are lovely people. But you continually spout untruths like Beato won't reply when he has, or sarcastic bitter comments like the one above. God knows what you do or why you waste your time on this I don't know. It's sad. Is there any chance you could go and find someone else to bother so I can get on with trying to run this KZbin channel?

[@mikeaustin4138]

You and Rick Beato are two sides of the same coin. Great stuff.

[@justinludeman8424]

Speaking of a trio with Joey DeFrancesco and Elvin Jones - After the Rain is a fantastic record... (1994, so decades forward). Some of John's finest playing...

[@riffmondo9733]

This was fascinating. As a guitarist of over 40 years I have never heard all of this tied together. This was really awesome Andy.

[@johncrocker-nh7ey]

Every time I think a video can't get any better you find a way of topping your last this is so interesting most of what you've discussed is new to me I know the musicians I didn't understand not only their connections but their influences to one another thanks again for marvelous teaching course and I bow do you expertise

[@rocketpost1]

Excellent Andy and I would say one of the best films that you have ever produced. As you say, this is just scratching the surface and I would certainly be very interested in follow-up films on acts like Zoot Money, Cyril Davies All Stars, Mike Patto, Ollie Halsall, Joe Moretti, Mick Green and Vic Briggs to name just a few. I always feel that Colosseum, Tempest and Isotope never got the credit that they deserve. Nice to hear you give Big Jim Sullivan a mention. He was friends with George Harrison and they they used to play sitar at Friar Park. You probably know this Andy but Brian Auger played the harpsichord intro on The Yardbirds For Your Love.

[@billjones8503]

Fascinating exploration!, of which only knew next to nothing how he influenced earlier greats. Thank you! - I was introduced to John McLaughlin at Belo Horizonte. I went onto Music Spoken Here, & Mahavishnu. I became so impressed after a few listens of Belo H. thought it was the pinnacle of the three, but all vy worthy. - I give thanks to my brother-in-law Rick Dow for introducing me to at least a few of his sublime albums.

[@philipbenner]

The book Bathed in Lightning covers a lot of this history

[@hagishag]

Indeed in great detail. A wonderful and must read for anybody interested in 60’s blues rock & jazz developments. It really annoyed me as I knew so many musicians who had played with McLaughlin and I didn’t know to ask them!

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I was in contact with Colin who write it but he seems to have disappeared off Facebook. He influenced this video a lot

[@wallacecollect]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer This is really only Andy's take on that book [and its supplement 'Echoes from Then]. So why doesn't he credit Coli n Harper?

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Not's its not. I explain my personal link to this story and I say stuff here that no one has heard before.

[@philipbenner]

I enjoy hearing Andy’s take on this bit of history and I appreciate his personal perspective added to the mix, wanted to hear more about this time but don’t know how to get “Echoes from Then”.

[@hmsdefiant]

Out of all the videos of yours I have seen so far, I think this is the most fascinating and illuminating contemplation - and that's saying something. A gold star for you young man. I think from now on I'm going to automatically give you a thumbs up at the start of the video. I do humbly suggest everyone else does the same.

[@TonyRoche-us4dn]

Top notch Andy - thanks so much for doing this, you've really brought this era of London alive. As a minor aside, the Selmer music shop was 114-116 Charing Cross Road. You might remember it as Turnkey Music. I think it's a coffee shop now!

[@dimsylsodium1]

I remember a music shop on Charing Cross Road in 1977. Is this the shop you/Andy are referring to? I remember there being a lot of saxophones in the window.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Thanks for that info.

[@stevebeaney9684]

Fascinating. So many stories to tell. Keep up the good work.

[@johannhauffman323]

Thanks for putting this together. And wonderful to honor Peter Wynne

[@deanoppergoalieclinics834]

Another great post Andy, John McLaughlin is right up there with my very favorites,and I've seen him every chance I possibly could!

[@lupcokotevski2907]

Wonderful video Andy. Essential viewing for any rock fan. There's a book in this, or a video series. Fascinating history telling a great story.

[@grahamclutterbuck583]

Thanks for that Andy. That was most enjoyable and informative.

[@alanmatthew5713]

SAW that Free Spirits tour. Absolutely FANTASTIC!!

[@marcobruno3110]

What an amazing journey: A tour de force, interlacing crossed paths, groundbreaking moments, and what it all means to your life. Thanks much for bringing these stories into the spotlight.

[@AlastairRobertson-r4j]

Thanks Andy, fascinating listen.

[@DEMcouver]

Love the footage from 1965 with all the musicians up on giant shelves. I wish I had played up on a shelf.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

THERES STILL TIME

[@Joseph-ax999]

Being in the U.S. during the sixties I'd never heard of John McLaughlin. The first time I was aware of him was seeing the pictures of him and Carlos Santana in the Mahavishnu Orchestra. 1973 I believe. When Carlos started in this new direction most of the original band quickly left. Only drummer Mike Shrieve stayed.

[@jimmccloskey4254]

Like this first edition of a new series! Drop the neck tie - too germanic for me.

[@danielschaeffer1294]

“Devotion” is one gorgeous cut. The first time I heard it I thought “This is what might have happened if Jimi were to do a tribute to Coltrane.” How right I was.

[@LR-oo8hq]

What I take from this is the connection between Coltrane and Hendrix, I’m so glad to see JM pointing to it. For me Trane solo in Ole is the precursor of all long guitar solos of late 60s and early 70s specially Hendrix, all the expression and intensity is there. Coltrane and Hendrix that’s it 👍

[@dimsylsodium1]

Great video. I have often wondered why Ginger Baker chose Eric for Cream and not John McLaughlin. Now I know. Thank-you for that. I have been fascinated by John McLauglin ever since my music teacher gave me a Mahavishnu Orchestra album and told me that I should listen to it saying that John was from Yorkshire. At first I dismissed this wrongly assuming that Yorkshire must mean "Harrogate" which was a world away from South Yorkshire where I grew up. You can imagine my surprise when I discovered that he was from Doncaster!!!

[@BacksidePL]

I'm so glad to finally find someone who also thinks that "Experiment with Pops" was one of the first fusion albums! Cheers man, great material in overall.

[@lvtutorials3039]

Great stuff. Your love shines through and elevates what could have been a dry documentary to a passionate tale of two heroes. ❤

[@BarbarraBay]

48:55 = hero for humanity; not wasting what remains of his life

[@dmk7700]

It is so refreshing to see any comments by McLaughlin / Auger (personal fave) Bruce / Baker / Clapton.

[@Composer19691]

John said early on he dismissed the Beatles as unserious pop drivel (paraphrasing)…said something like “I was working on Giant Steps and didn’t have time for trite pop stuff’…but then he heard Revolver and was blown away their depth and talent.

[@Dirgnimai7]

Excellent job, Andy. Please don't hesitate to do more of these videos in which you share music connections and history. You did it very, very well.

[@MellissaBoomeroftheNight]

This is great. You hit on all of the major points I have issues with and the ones I admire and love about rock. Sharing now.

[@bobobolinski-z7q]

Utterly captivating. Pulling all those threads together in such a cohesive fashion - with the added personal dimension - is an inestimably powerful addition to the history of rock music. Thank you for your passion, your attention to detail, your insights, and of course, your outstanding story telling skills. Magic.

[@bradsmith2891]

Tremendous background to the music we love - thanks Andy!

[@michaelstirling1]

What a terrific episode! Thanks for posting it. Thoroughly enjoyed, especially the personal connections. Great job.

[@MrMaynardWR]

John has always been at the center of the fusion thing. It's like 6 degrees of separation with John and the best music of our times and this makes me think that he is probably the most important musician of our time as well.

[@firstlast4874]

Absolutely. The hub to which all the spokes are connected. And through it all, still very relevant and humble. A prince among men

[@dsjwhite]

A real classic today, thank you.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@emiliovaldes1319]

McLaughlin and Page also played together on the 1965 EP by: The Hairy Ones - Get Off My Cloud with Bobby Graham; Jimmy Page, lead guitar; John McLaughlin, rhythm guitar; Alan Weighel, bass; Kenny Salmon, organ. The singer was Ray Merill from The Joe Loss Band.

[@mrinalkundu1521]

This is an outstanding video Andy. This is a time and subject that usually gets mentioned in passing or talked around. Refreshing to hear the importance of the London/UK scene in the early 60s. There are at least two series to come out of this. JM popping off to work with Gunther Schuller is a bonus. Respect for Peter Wynne🙏🏽

[@shirleymental4189]

I'm back again for another watch. Like Andy, I find this period of music endlessly fascinating. I think this is the best video you've done so far, MrE. I wish I could like it again.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@RobertVeasquez]

This is one for the history books. Yes, there are several books covering much of this, but to hear it put together as you did was incredibly interesting. To say I enjoyed is to put it mildly. I’ll definitely watch this several times soon. As a McLaughlin fanatic, I would not mind more history related to John. I have many book about John but I love how you presented this in this format. By the way, your father in law possessed such a gorgeous voice. What a package he was. He had the looks, the talent born in him, and was present at a pivotal time in English music history.

[@johndrx165]

Your research, insight and delivery (like off the top of your head) is fantastic.

[@SuperMrdumm]

Things We Like!

[@anarchysrainbow926]

Wonderful video Andy! I was at one of Clapton's other Albert Hall gigs, partly encouraged to go by how much you've talked up Cream's influence, so thanks for that! I'm glad you mentioned getting a bit teary, the whole thing was very emotionally charged for me. I cried at least 3 times, once when Andy Fairweather Low played "If Paradise..." before Clapton and his band even came on. Hoochie Coochie Man was indeed glorious.

[@TheFierceAndTheDead]

This is the best video you've done

[@lib556]

Loving these old interview clips... all gathered into one video.

[@julianchristopher147]

Thanks, Andy, one of your best videos, I think! Love how you are pulling these threads together. Of course, this is all leading to a future topic which has to be about Shakti - how many Western musicians have dared to reach into Indian music traditions, not so much the sounds as the melodic and rhythmic structures (ragas, talas). To me, Shakti is the Mount Parnassus of music, only the gods go there, or those chasing the gods! All the best!

[@kirasfriendsineurope6444]

Well done, Andy! This is your metier! Forget that modern pop click bait! Your knowledge and passion for real music history is inspiring. I know most of these stories, but you came up with bits of music history even I didn't know. Stick to this. You are even better than Beatto on this turf. Bravo, man!

[@mymixture965]

Connecting the dots!!! Great stuff, thanks for that, just great information about the history of the British scene. WoW, I am amazed.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@harrygrosomanidis9699]

I discovered Duffy Power years ago. One of the first people to cover a Beatles song. Highly recommended Cd that came out in 2002 was " Leapers and Sleepers" great sounding recordings

[@markparee99]

Absolutely wonderful. For me this is the best one you have done.

[@gokhanaya]

Brilliant program here man.. kudos!

[@kengemmer]

Thank you for this video, Andy. I haven't read or heard anyone weave these strands together before. But, I heard the tonal and rhythmic links between Cream and Mahavishnu. It was like Mahavishnu picked up where Cream left off. Keep the insights coming!

[@music-is-the-best4295]

Thank you so much - the passion was the key word...

[@syater]

What a great post, Andy. Incidentally, Duffy Power's voice always stood out to me. I've never encountered anyone here in California who knows who I'm talking about, but this is proof and lots of great context as well ! Thanks for putting this together.

[@jackdolphy8965]

Great story, amazing really. Excellently retold! Thank you Andy

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Thanks for listening

[@callmejeffbob]

Andy- Very cool description of the creative music scene in London in the sixties. I had the sense you were bursting at the seams trying to tie together all the connections that made the scene what it was...well done sir! Your enthusiasm is contagious.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@aliensporebomb]

This is why I watch this channel - Andy has an encyclopedic knowledge of the UK rock scene - fascinating video! The fact that you are related to some of these important building blocks (people) of the early UK rock scene just adds to the interest. Here in the U.S. we were at the mercy of what we could get from the UK in import shops. But everyone in my friend group knew the cool prog and fusion bands had a british component and so we would haunt record stores for obscurities from the UK. JEM Records in New Jersey imported quite a few very hard to find items until they went bankrupt in the 80s sometime.

[@ianchristian7949]

Thanks for introducing me to Gordon Beck. I'm listening to their take on Norwegian Wood .

[@PerryPapanier]

Great piece of work on documenting this period of time.

[@Smudger654]

I've watched many of your videos since finding your channel a few years back, but this has to be one my favourites. Excellently put together, very informative (a lot of it new to me) and presented with passion. Great stuff.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Took about two weeks to pull together. I would love to be able to do 1 video a week instead of 4 and up the quality and content. But proper content like this doesn't get the views, so it's back to the 10 fusion bassists with the fattest arses (Anthony Jackson at number 1)

[@jeffreytaylor6257]

A wonderful lecture. Thank you so much. JT

[@2yhtomit]

That was one of your best. Thank you so much!

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you liked it!

[@inlikeflynt56]

Wow what a wonderful story. Keep up the great work Andy!

[@kellyl9198]

This was exceptional Andy, thank you so much. The interlocking elements are fascinating.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

Hang on a moment. Did you say that when you were playing with Robert Plant you were dubbed 'Aleister Crowley'? You can't just leave us hanging! I've always wondered why Mclaughlin never talks much about his formative years in London as he did do a lot of interesting stuff aside from his session work. When interviewers bring this period up he always veers away from the topic. You would think that being in a band with Graham Bond, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker would give you plenty of anecdotal material to wheel out during interviews!

[@mattdowie92]

Nice one, Andy. Two of my favourites and huge influences on me!

[@markphillips3186]

Wonderful history. Thank you Andy. I hope to see more lectures like this in the future. I wonder if it is possible for you and Andrew Hickey to sit down and have a chat?

[@garykloh8931]

This was really great. Stuff like this is taking the channel to the next level.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Hope so!

[@markstevens6568]

Brilliant Andy……..Julie Driscoll is worth a mention for her work with Brian Auger…….I bought the Jack Bruce’s Things We Like album expecting some R&B type sound and thought what the hell is this? I still play it today! Thank you…..so many memories!

[@andrewmacardle9872]

Brilliant insight into the intertwined pioneering music art rock jazz scene.

[@benwatson8244]

sweet, man ... tear in my eye too

[@dennismason3740]

Rock and roll, blues, hardcore, ska, Zep, Beatles, Bond, all on Hollywood Boulevard , guitar and voice, without Rick Beato's industry or permission. Come to Hollywood, Rick, I'll play you a set, no charge.

[@jdewey8841]

Fascinating video, Andy!

[@alanmatthew5713]

The thing that amazes me the most about John McLaughlin is his modesty.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

With me it's his hairy ear flaps

[@shirleymental4189]

That was a bloody interesting talk. So many connections, I must read Collin Harper's book again. Jeez, imagine trying to make a family tree out of that lot. PS. Yes I think Big Jim Sullivan had a major influence on JM regarding Indian music. The track 'the koan' he played on from the album 'Sitar beats' is not a million miles away from Piece 1/2 from 'My Goals Beyond'.

[@trippknotic]

Great research into a little known period of John McLaughlin. Really interesting

[@jimdep6542]

Great history you are sharing. Much of his early history, before Miles Davis, I didn't know. I wish I knew about his connection with Jimmy Page when I was starting to play music back in the early 70's.

[@ghostjazztrio]

Nicely done. Very revealing and clear. Thanks man.

[@TheJohnmb46]

Brilliant as usual Andy! Lots to research for me now!

[@GarthMcCook]

A wonderful and fascinating story! Loved every second and I'm not a jazz fan or a John Mclaughlin fan but loved the story of how he influenced the many 60s rock legends. Also fascinated by the story of your father and mother in law, being a singer and meeting various artists. Another fantastic video Andy! (Time for a break now though as I watched your 2 'what make prog crap' and your Genesis top 3 albums videos before this one! lol )

[@davestephens6421]

Great stuff Andy....fascinating period of music!!!

[@kenshankman3863]

brilliant Andy - you made a NEW Patreon ! this is your finest-consider a pt 2 on this era - I am pretty familiar with this era andhVe all Douglass releases. on original vinyl !

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Thanks Ken

[@billphelps5611]

Fascinating information! This is why I love your channel.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I appreciate that!

[@mariobarrela]

Finally someone speaking about that! Thanks

[@wagstaff6135]

Andy, this is one of the best deep dives on KZbin. Bravo. I have spent some time looking at the Graham Bond nexus (and also share something of the interest in esoterism and aesthetics), but you show more tributaries I hadn't a clue about. Including your own familial relationships. As if you needed another layer of coolness.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Wow, thanks!

[@karimdeane9434]

Awesome video ❤

[@ivonsmith4255]

You're a great passionate culminating influence of great music and information Andy - thanks for making and sharing this. Have loved John Mclaughlin since I was about 12 or 13 - Live Cream being my first ever album in 1980 but once fusion found me I was all in!

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

My pleasure!

[@robertmorgan9205]

Absolutely top drawer video, Andy many thanks for putting this together. Is there a link to that complete interview with JM?

[@markspooner1224]

This was terrific.

[@jimmcgonigal]

Fantastic one Andy. I remember reading Bathed in Lightning maybe ten years ago, and the whole 60s session stuff was a total surprise. I've ofyen thought Jimi was the next John Coltrane evolution, not Alice.

[@erikheddergott5514]

Chris Barber later on had Dr. John as a Guest on Tour and Record. He really liked Rock.

[@elbib2446]

good episode

[@AndrewjWilson]

Another great video Andy.

[@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL]

great stories

[@Hiwatt100W1]

Really interesting discussion! Thank you, Andy. Just as an aside, I see that you have a copy of Jack Bruce's LP Things We Like, one of my favorite albums of all time, right behind you LOL. There is some great playing by John on that record, and they reprise "HCKHH Blues" (another great earlier version was done by Jack, John, Ginger and Graham in '63; it's on Solid Bond).

[@ashevilleguitar]

This was great Andy, thanks 🙏 ✌️❤️🎵

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Very welcome

[@jeffsimard8846]

Talking about Jimmy Page and John McLaughlin, and John’s influence: it seems obvious that Achilles intro is same texture as Birds of fire intro

[@flazjsg]

A good topic for a video would be Andy listing a bunch of songs inspired by Mahavishnu. You could add Rush Xanadu in there as well as Yes "Close to the Edge."

[@lthmptr]

Pete Duker (Deuchaŕ) is an interesting character, brother of Jimmy Deuchar one of Britain's top jazz trumpeters. I have an album by him doing country, skiffle type things he also did a couple of singles with Jimmy Savile of all people, however in the seventies he wrote for one of the best cycling monthly's International Cycle Sport!

[@gerardlee4319]

This was very enjoyable.