John Wesley and the Moravians, Pt. 2: Seven Minute Seminary

[@joer5627]

I started this year using the Moravian Daily Texts Devotional. A good time in God’s Word each day. I figured if the Moravians influenced John Wesley to such a deep level that I could benefit as well. God has graciously allowed that to be so.

[@johnjackman2771]

As I said in part 1, he gets this mostly right -- but leaves out one of the most important influences, Peter Boehler, the Moravian missionary who met with Charles and John after their individual returns from Georgia. Both would say that Boehler was crucial in their individual conversions. The Wesleys both spent many hours with Boehler, often conversing in Latin since John's German was not good and Boehler (though he spoke several languages) was not strong in English. He also leaves out the Fetter Lane Society, where both John and Charles attended meetings with many Moravians -- and Charles continued to attend often even after John's break with the Moravians. Aldersgate was an ecumenical meeting, not a Moravian meeting -- and while John certainly had a powerful realization at that meeting, I think he would have seen it as confirmation of a long process rather than a conversion experience. J's later split with Zinzendorf seems to have been as much about personalities as theology.

[@gregoryclifford6938]

A bit off-topic, but is the Wesely/Beranek family of c.1800 Bohemia/Moravia related to the Wesley family in England?

[@azdana]

Thank you, this was very interesting. Also, I appreciate how you spell things out, so I can look them up after the video.

[@SignsoftheTimes911]

Zinzendorf did so much good, but he was quite frankly wrong concerning Wesley's understanding of character development. Sanctification does not come in an instant like justification; it is rather the work of a lifetime. This is demonstrated in Peter's ladder of Christian virtue. Even justification must be retained by the exercise of continuous faith. Every breath is like a prayer in the life of the regenerated.

[@nickmoodie7584]

This is very well articulated, described, and concise! But I just cant stop looking at his tie knot.

[@fathersheartfamily4131]

Amen

[@ThatOne77]

Anyone ever heard about the Moravians' obsession with the wound on Jesus' side?

[@godfreydavies7681]

This teaching is so good. Thank you.

[@editorsphilosophynow3646]

When Jesus says 'you must be born again' I've heard that it's present continuous, so a better translation would be 'you must be being born again'. Does anyone know the Greek there and can confirm or deny this?

[@Oana404]

ask Chris Rosebrough

[@Scotts.Christianity.Teaching]

I'll help you out. I finished this video. And I'm like Arminian and believe people can fail salvation from this scripture I found Galatians 5:19-21 that when sinning that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians was Paul's teachings, proves it can fail eternal salvation. Grandpa believed he couldn't go to Hell, and Arminians believe he could. I'm against suicide. I was depressed also to suicidal. I almost did suicide as a 5-Point Calvinist. And these scriptures got me more hope. I became more Arminian now from these scriptures I posted on here. I believe people can fail salvation. Loving God is wanting to be useful for him much. What if a person could do that much of his time? And I enjoy working from this. People who enjoy working. When it's more likely to be boring to non-Christians. Mark 9:33-35 New American Standard Bible 1995 33 They came to Capernaum; and when He [a]was in the house, He began to question them, “What were you discussing on the way?” 34 But they kept silent, for on the way they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest. 35 Sitting down, He called the twelve and *said to them, “If anyone wants to be first, [b]he shall be last of all and servant of all.” . This is for Christian world domination. Why to raise kids Christians. God Son Jesus said similarly to whoever is useful the most is the best merited of the apostles. Useful merit for eternal rewards and competition with other Christians. With God Son Lord Jesus Christ faith teaching, people will want to be useful for the kingdom of Heaven, which usefulness happens on Earth and if any other place. We need to help this world as much as we can! This text could motivate, supposed to be Christian people, to do all types of usefulness. Chores, volunteering, grade school, high school, college, and work. Good people, this world needs them.