The Left’s Hypocritical View of Sex and Consent | Jordan Peterson & Dave Rubin |

[@grcarie]

It shouldn't be "believe all women" it should be "consider and/or investigate all claims". Maybe then, men could also feel safe claiming when the abuse happens to them, too. A crime which is greatly underreported.

[@goawqebt6931]

reasonable

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

Johnny vs Amber has shed some light on this. What she did to Johnny and for Women's Safety is horrendous.

[@grcarie]

@@kashiaroundtheworld really it comes down to: do we judge the circumstances and the individual? Or do we judge the group? I generally believe in giving victims the benefit of the doubt, but I also believe in the "trust but verify" principle. If the idea requires me to judge another person, or call for violence, I prefer to err on the side of caution. I reserve judgement. I wait for facts. I consider the case's relevance to me, and whether I really need to know. "Innocent until proven guilty" should go both ways. The claimant is Innocent of fraud until proven otherwise, and the same should be said of the defendant whose guilt must be proven in court.

[@nolistrombowli8288]

That's what it means tho, it doesn't literally mean "believe" every allegation uncritically or assume someone is guilty before he has been proven to be!! It means take all women's claims seriously and don't ridicule them or call them liars!!

[@grcarie]

@@nolistrombowli8288 that may have been the initial intent, but that is not how it turned out. I never had a problem initially with IDEA of #MeToo. But as soon as people's lives were being destroyed over unverified or false stories, it stopped being about the truth. And that is where the problem lies. It became a social and political tool used for bullying people or getting attention on one's self. This became true for so many hashtags. The ideas started out with good intentions, but the very nature of social media made them subject to quick abuse. It is true that many women are not believed. That needed to be addressed. But it is unjust to accept every accusation as truth, especially where there is something to be gained.

[@MrMcDeth]

The fact that Dr. Peterson is a controversial figure baffles me.

[@isaacyutzy9732]

It says more about the people who call him controversial, than it says about him.

[@honkytonkinson9787]

He’s a modern day prophet. Fools despise wisdom and Peterson is walking around with a mirror showing the fools what they look like and they despise him for it. He’s just trying to show us how we can stop looking so foolish and do something instead to feel a true sense of accomplishment. Fools just wanna party and be oblivious to the unpleasantness of reality

[@majuli8420]

Well, it's just enraging to actual intellectuals that this man is taken seriously.

[@honkytonkinson9787]

@@majuli8420 what is an actual intellectual?

[@Mark-hc8ek]

Mr. Potato Head is controversial to the Left.

[@davidpowderly9117]

"Don't do anything physically with anyone that you wouldn't talk to them about." That right there should be a rule for life.

[@peterweston1356]

I have wondered whether Dr. Peterson would ever really become as consequential in the world as he was before the terrible addiction/health issues consumed him. I think today with this answer, I have my own answer. Whether you like or not, there is without doubt a true fire in his guts and a clarity and confidence in his wide ranging response I’ve not seen this decade. Truly, welcome back!

[@ruthanne6729]

I’m so sorry to say this, but this video is pre Dr. Peterson’s dependency (not addiction) and severe illness. He’s back and he is better than ever, but this is definitely pre illness Dr. Peterson. I’m seeing an even greater although more solemn passion in his latest work.

[@peterweston1356]

@@ruthanne6729 Ruth, ah, thanks for spotting this, I only went by the date of upload and could see no evidence in the actual material giving any clue of the actual video date. A good faith mistake on my part. My apologies to anyone liking my comment. Thanks again. As for his current state of mind. I do see his always sharp mind and at the same time a shift in how he comes across imho. I’m just pleased he recovered. Here’s to his continued health.

[@ruthanne6729]

@@peterweston1356 no worries whatsoever! For my part, I’m just so thankful that we have him. I get the shivers when I think how close we came to losing him. I know he’s changed, but we need to give him time to heal. The important thing is that he’s back and healthy.

[@peterweston1356]

@@ruthanne6729 🙂

[@anirprasadd]

Wait, what happened to him?? Does he suffer from addiction??

[@alexanderlyon]

It looks like getting back out on tour has brought that quick, firey, and punctuated side of Peterson. He was obviously in a period of healing and thoughtful reflection there for a while, which was necessary. It's great to see him hitting his stride again like this. It seems like being on the road would be exhausting, but he's making it work in his favor.

[@Helga7850]

I would suggest this lady to become a lesbian. So she will not be worrying about "men's behavioral expectations". On the contrary I LOVE men. I do not have expectations because most men are good. And I enjoy their company.

[@harryfaber]

@@Helga7850 I am rather hoping that is a typo. '...most men ate good...'? Are good?

[@Helga7850]

@@harryfaber yes. are good

[@chillwinston8961]

This video is from 3 years ago

[@marylamb7707]

@@Helga7850 I agree. All the men in my life are fantastic.

[@Snarge22]

"Hay baby, let's exchange consent notes."

[@devadii24]

😂😂😂

[@SnerMerNer]

Jordan Peterson is a role model to us all. His advice and knowledge are precious to those with the ears to listen. I know he’s been beaten down by morons and institutions with an agenda, but I hope that he knows or comes to understand just how enormous of a positive influence he is on so many people’s lives.

[@youtubeviewer4472]

On the face, I agree with everything he said. But if his values TRULY worked, his daughter should not have dumped her good honorable husband to sleep around with gym bros and biker thugs.

[@bricedaly5123]

@@youtubeviewer4472 his daughter is her own person and makes her own choices. That doesn't invalidate his values, it simply shows why they are important.

[@youtubeviewer4472]

@@bricedaly5123 I agree that his values are important, but they don't do anyone any good if no one implements them, and they won't do society at large much good if only men implement them.

[@trevorolsen984]

I highly disagree he is a role model and think he shouldn't be. He often talks way outside of his field of expertise but acts like he's an expert in them, like biology, marine neuroscience, climate science, virology, etc. He was a good clinical psychologist, but I would never go to him now for therapy.

[@simonford9725]

Absolutely! To be cancelled by the Woke institutions is a badge of honour! The totallitarian far left are the enemies of civilisation! They have no valid arguments, nothing to back up their very one sided rhetoric, just a lot of hot air! Anyone with a modicum of common sense will see that the predictions of George Orwell's 1984 are alive in our institutions, hospitals, police, Library's, universities, law courts and anywhere else you care to look. This nonsence will bring the very fabric of our society to it's knee's. Thank goodness that there appears to be a fight back against the far left! It can't come sooner!

[@momomtony]

"believe all women" -> what is a woman? -> "a person who identify as woman" -> then, who should i believe? -> "women..." conclusion, dont believe nobody.

[@mkocinema2012]

It should be- "Believe all women when they say they have feelings to express, and listen!" That's all.

[@HalasterBlackCloak-u2w]

yes, I think what we are getting at here is separating the social notion of "woman" from simple femaleness. It's not that hard to understand. People should be treated teh way they want to be treated. If someone identifies as a woman, chances are they want to be treated as a feminine person. Not hard to understand.

[@scasey1960]

Amber Heard is not uncommon

[@monopolizeme]

This is honestly one of the most brilliant talks I’ve heard. No one discusses this, no one brings this up to even ponder; thank you so much.

[@jagjax2382]

As Peterson pointed out, most people wanted the freedom but not the consequences. They're simply afraid of conversations about those consequences.

[@rocky3850]

@@jagjax2382 what consequences

[@jagjax2382]

@@rocky3850 Is this a genuine curiosity or an attempt to make a scene because my comment triggered you?

[@rocky3850]

@@jagjax2382 no this is a genuine question, because i want freedom and i also know the consequences

[@jozefwoo8079]

@@jagjax2382 I want to know as well

[@IK_1980]

Enlightening reaction from Jordan where he really opens the real conversation about sexuality and consent. A thread that should be picked up in our victim-addicted culture… lets get this straight

[@Mashamazzi]

If you become a victim what do you avoid, first and foremost? Accountability

[@jozefwoo8079]

So shall we move to a victim-blaming culture?

[@BillyViBritannia]

Nope, not straight, that's the worst kind nowadays

[@Mashamazzi]

@@jozefwoo8079 maybe, if you constantly find yourself as a victim maybe it’s your choices that have brought you there?

[@patriciarouse2801]

@@Mashamazzi or if you r use of punctuation identified you as a neglect and abuse practitioner whose problem is that...

[@preopticfear]

I love the way Dr. Peterson articulates his word!!

[@christophermiller8589]

This man has changed so many lives. It brings real peace to see him killing it like this, like he hasn’t skipped a beat after everything that’s happened. What a beast. ❤️🔥

[@PeteNicholsonAnimation]

Signing a consent note sounds an awful lot like marriage

[@theboombody]

Agreed. I think it just emphasizes why marriage is a natural thing and the hook-up culture is not.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

The consent note from the mans point of view: "i dont wanna hear a lot of whining...so ill shutup!

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

That is my thought

[@sierrac9341]

Except, remember you need to re-sign every night..

[@hunchanchoc8418]

And a year in a marriage later it'll be a pointless piece of paper anyway..

[@michaelb2132]

How anyone can disagree with this is beyond me. Common sense is no longer common, if it ever was.

[@nicolab2075]

Common sense has always been 'people who believe what I believe'.

[@michaelb2132]

@@nicolab2075 when I say common sense, I'm referring to a sense of logic and moral integrity.

[@nicolab2075]

@@michaelb2132 I think people use it however they want. But they still mean 'people who think like me', in my view.

[@JS-pw8nr]

"Common sense" doesn't come from yourself. It's a gift of truth and clarity born of service to the Lord God, even if you don't admit that God is what is behind the "sense".

[@anisdada1646]

@@nicolab2075 Yes in a way you're right. But more like "I believe because my experience (carrot and stick) in society showed me that this is the truth".

[@hendrikmoons8218]

NEVER apologize for a mistake that ain't yours. NEVER accept group punishment.

[@leereyno]

When attacked by one of these monsters, always hit them back with everything you've got.

[@coulombs465]

Peterson seems happy to endorse group punishment, when it's toward his political opponents, or for the benefit of fascist states.

[@hendrikmoons8218]

​@@coulombs465 Peterson seems happy to endorse group punishment, when it's toward his political opponents, or for the benefit of fascist states. The point you are trying to make looses all validity by trying to link professor Dr Jordan Peterson with fascism. Go back to your neoliberal/pro communism cave. The man oposes all forms of extremist regimes which clearly include all forms of Marxisme, communism and socialism. He is also not a fan of group punishment. But like in all JUST legal systems, if you are part of a group and the group commits an atrocity of a crime, you all serve the time. That has nothing to do with group punishment, but more in line with: 'if you cross the red ligth and I do too, we should have the same punishment.'

[@MultiSenhor]

The real solution is not making up for people's weaknesses, but strenghtening people up. Teach them to reason, understand their emotions, and set limits

[@tinygardentomato]

At this point, being banned from Twitter is a badge of courage and heroism.

[@petervanhoorn6199]

Pfff, what a legend. He hits the nail right on the freaking head every single time. He is a prime example of someone actually doing his homework and knowing what he is talking about. He has been one of my examples for the past years. Thank 'God' for this fellah!

[@Sweethands4]

A lot of people know what they're talking about, it's JP's public speaking ability and especially his ability to elucidate the concept he's trying to present with words that is so brilliant. When you watch his interviews in front of large audiences you can actually see him stop & "Think before he speaks" to choose how to word his answers. Just watching JP & other mature (not Elon) experienced people of these times debate truth/morality/anything is a phenomenal education.

[@BellePal]

He’s turning a generation of men into incels. Cool, i guess.

[@petervanhoorn6199]

​@@BellePalI truly believe you can come up with a better reply. I challenge you to do so.

[@wolfpat]

This is another subject about which one political side is trying to have a dialogue, and the other side only wants a monologue.

[@MDAdams72668]

The worst CURSE in this world is to be both intelligent and an EMPATH you see the problems and simply cannot without hurting feelings convince someone to solve them Which in turn causes you pain

[@ryleighloughty3307]

"Believe all women" became "All women tell the truth". No wonder the 'movement' died.

[@mkocinema2012]

It should be- "Believe all women when they say they have feelings to express, and listen!" That's all.

[@ryleighloughty3307]

@@mkocinema2012 What does that even mean?

[@mkocinema2012]

@@ryleighloughty3307 It's means- Whether a woman is telling the truth or lying, she might have pain & damage inside her. Even if it's only for psychological-analytical purposes- every women should be listened to.

[@ryleighloughty3307]

@@mkocinema2012 Even when she is lying?

[@thenagualzeze4979]

Women lie

[@chadwiley6917]

Politic rhetoric has caused a lot of the problems. It twists good values into bad and evil thoughts and behaviors.

[@spaRKLES88604]

The thing he said about alcohol and drugs is pretty accurate. Imagine how greatly these problems would be reduced if alcohol and drugs was not a factor. Its not secret that drugs ands alcohol, impair your judgment.

[@marcelstanford430]

Being subjected to "sins of the Father" is bad enough but now it's "sins of the ancestor" which of course is even more ridiculous. I'm not apologizing for something of which I had no part.

[@MarcieIsForager]

But being truthful there is a discussion to be had there. Just because you may not have been part of the crime doesnt mean you a) dont benefit from it b) shouldnt work towards mending the effects of that crime. Example the canadian first nation their people were slaughtered and brutally assimilated into canadian culture i mean looks up the residential school and inuit sled dog slaughters. Now that not to say you should feel guilty and apologize. But remorseful and obligated to help that group recover what lost they may have lost at the hands of your ancestors. In the first nations case that soveigreignty upon their lands.

[@marcelstanford430]

@@MarcieIsForager All good points. However, the indigenous themselves slaughtered each other...they were tribal. There are bands in the north because they were driven out of the south. The Mohawks were the most successful and occupy the best land.

[@staizer]

@@MarcieIsForager who is ultimately responsible? In the current day, point to a group of people who has not been subjugated or oppressed by some other group in their past. None of what has been done, or should be done, should be related to what someone else did in the past. If there are people suffering, we should help them. The reason for it is irrelevant. Does it matter whether their field was burned by a raiding army or burned by a lightning strike? We should help either way. If I have caused harm, then I should suffer the consequences, if my ancestors caused harm, what consequences should I suffer and why?

[@MarcieIsForager]

@@staizer Well for the "why" id say its yours the bear the sins of your ancestors or for me mine. Because we are the closest thing to a representation of our ancestors. And as for the consequences, i wouldnt call them such. Consequences to me sound like you answering for the crimes which you shoundnt they are not your or mine. What however is upon us is the obligation to mend those old wounds and to help.

[@staizer]

@@MarcieIsForager what old wounds were you born with?

[@Chloeyboey217]

Thank you dave rubin and jordan petersen for doing these lectures and Q&As! I am so thankful to have this information freely given to me on the internet!

[@Jianju69]

Wish I had had such a person in my life growing up.

[@siochongd5139]

The best signed mutual consent for a long term relationship is probably a marriage certificate

[@ashleybeazley]

👏🏼

[@JS-pw8nr]

Well said. Bravo. Extremely well said.

[@uberboiz]

Well, just because you are happily married today, it doesn't mean you will be happily married in the long run.

[@ashleybeazley]

@@uberboiz if you actually take care in choosing a partner that is right for you, you’ve got a really good chance.

[@uberboiz]

@@ashleybeazley I'm sure a lot of people who decide to get married have the same ideas as yours i.e. that their partner is 'right for them' (at that point of time at least), and therefore there is a really good chance their marriage will last. Otherwise, why would they want to get married in the first place? And yet, divorce is not becoming less common in recent history.

[@KalonOrdona2]

A consent form? So, like a marriage contract? :p

[@andystephon871]

When he speaks, it's complete silence. All eyes on him. Paying such keen attention.

[@jackemerson615]

Reminds me of the episode of South Park where PC Principal goes around his frat collecting consent forms from all the men.

[@mylilpc]

This was very enlightening. I am taking that “talk about it” recommendation into my future dating situations.

[@JS-pw8nr]

Don't. The presumption should be that the woman is an entitled, infant, monster and that she will lie if it suits her to do so and you are her victim. Far too often, a woman will emotionally "like" the idea of something but, when she hasn't done the hard work it takes to really embody that idea and you come expecring her to honestly live by that idea, she won't blame herself for her failure at the skill required, she will blame you for "making her feel bad". When, in truth, she "feels bad" because she hasn't really gone any further than, "I really like that idea". What Dave posits, that we are "born innocent" is sheer radicle-left insanity wrapped in fake conservitism. Ask yourself this question, why do we see the advocates on the left screaming, crying, and throwing temper-tantrums like immature children? Because they are, Sir. We are all born selfish, infantile, and guilty as sin. If we are very blessed, we will be taught, not sparing the rod and by a religious Jewish or Christian mother and father who tell THE truth of the Lord God, period. If we are not, we end up having to seek out THE truth on our own and fighting through our own learned insanity to embody real virtue and truth. Regretably, Dave's only god is... Dave. Seek the Lord, Sir and He will reveal the truth of Himself, in part, and humanity, in totality, to you. Do this first and see the cross you must carry clearly. Then, see women clearly.

[@justinm3486]

This used to be common sense 20 years ago lol

[@JakeSweeper]

Common Sense is only common when it's commonly taught. That doesn't seem to be the case in a lot of places.

[@mdarrenu]

His point on alcohol is dead-on. One reason why i never had any of these problems.

[@davidcarpenter6960]

After a long life I've yet to listen to anyone who combines knowledge, intelligence (the ability to reason), articulacy and clarity better than Professor Peterson..

[@chrisbailey2125]

Thomas sowell is another, or christopher hitchens. Worth a look at

[@davidcarpenter6960]

Christopher Hitchens is always worth listening to. I'm not so familiar with Thomas Sowell but will look him up. Reason and knowledge currently are often smothered by the power of the mob. Lets hope its only temporary because history tells us what happens if it takes over

[@wstavis3135]

Douglas Murphy, Walter Williams, Fredrick Hayek, Henry Hazlitt, Booker T Washington, Fredrick Douglas, Alexander Solzhenitsyn While some are only available in written form, the world is full of intelligent, insightful, articulate individuals. You merely need to search them out.

[@davidcarpenter6960]

@@wstavis3135 The world certainly is and I've met a few over a long life. The problem these days is that there is an increasing number of people determined to negate their efforts through the imposition of group-think and by preventing their views being heard. In my life I would never have imagined such an assault on free speech as is evident today.

[@w.donald9066]

Jordan Peterson, Stephen Fry . Sam Harris and Hitchens are or sadly were incredibly knowledgeable speakers. But Frys command of the English language without trying to sound smart is second to none. Well worth a look.

[@lindagriffiths8926]

Ctd: Reintroducing 'respect' and self! (True-self) acceptance would be the way to reach the utopic civilization you think! is optimum and in human's best interest. As you regularly say Jordan 'Good luck with that one' Bless you for using your energy to keep trying 🙏

[@dennisdose5697]

Jordan is back in classic form, show him a bit of modern junk reasoning that many people are falling for and in two minutes he has disassembled it for all to see and shown it for the farce it is. What a mind.

[@_scabs6669]

You go with the flow. Nonverbal communication is 99% of it and more important

[@Sam63new]

Well said Jordan.👏👏👏👏

[@mariahsnow6986]

Happy to see those kids are listening.

[@belletense3618]

I feel like JBP’s work will become more influential in the next 5-10 years as PhD grads who like his work move into the workforce.

[@martybarbeau]

For every action there is an opposite reaction or there is a CONSEQUENCE!!!

[@simonr-vp4if]

wut

[@Crispbac]

Lol, when he explained that this is coming from the left and not from the Christian right, I lost it. Oh how the turn tables.

[@TidalWaveDan]

I recently heard a female say she couldn’t believe she’d let her Ex Boyfriend do some of the things to her she let him do. She said she the idea that someone felt like he was entitled to her body was upsetting. She said it was S(exual)A(ssault). So, a committed relationship has nothing to do with the persistent state of victimhood we’ve falling into. It’s just becoming a game to some people and every single interaction comes with the risk of being your reputation’s demise. How do we solve that?

[@Tuberiascaesar]

As a little boy growing up I felt concerned about this. It may not have been the intention, but it felt like the world was always trying to make me feel ashamed of myself because I was born white, male, cis gendered, etc.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

"As a little boy growing up" Lolwut? I suspect your definition of little boy differs to mine.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 while being a little boy one is in the process of growing up. Is that a difficult concept?

[@gregclarkreasons]

Sadly, it is.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

@@edwinamendelssohn5129 I wasnt concerned one little bit with anything hugely important when I was "little". After 25 years of age, or so, i was more concerned with bigger issues.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 that's your experience. Mine as well, but that doesn't negate the fact that some children contemplate things beyond the scope of their current experience. I've known children that are deep thinkers.

[@nunomoure197]

I think it should be something like this "investigate all claims without bias, and let the investigation lead to the truth, whatever it may be".

[@jamiej5229]

oh thanks, good that we have you. not that wise men have thought about it for thousands of years and already established how to determine truth, it really helped to hear your 2 cents on this topic.

[@AmberyTear]

All of my friends are leftists or liberals and they all were against Amber. Every claim of abuse should be considered in all seriousness but that doesn't mean it's wise to accept each one automatically.

[@leonabarkell1809]

I listened to this two years ago, and it's aged well!

[@hijodelaisla275]

Not only do we have birth control, in case of a slip-up we also have abor... Huh? What's that? Oh, never mind.

[@willgoodall1529]

We now live in the age of innocent until being accused

[@niguel4438]

Thanks as always John and Jordon.

[@Robbie32]

This man is a blessing.

[@stephme2686]

When I was 7 technically I consented because I didn’t know what I was doing, he was my teacher so my school just changed my class and never fired him. My mom felt like they should’ve had him arrested but I said to her that I didn’t even know what was going on so I don’t feel bothered and so we left it alone. Even though I was 7 years old and he was 30 something years old it still was consensual

[@georgewagner7787]

No, it wasn't. Because no 7 year old understands, they legally can't consent. My state just passed a law removing the time limit on charging for abuse. I truly hope it doesn't affect you too much but you were in no way responsible. Children do whatever they're told.

[@pattyherke6628]

Wish I'd of heard more of this in my younger years.....

[@marcelstanford430]

Dr. Peterson is like having a really smart Father and we're lucky to have free access to his thoughts.

[@bobwallace7487]

The mere fact that this conversation is open to….well, the world, is hopeful. No matter where we stand, the only way through our collective evolution is the freedom to question. Gratitude for freedom. Defend thought. Yours, ours. Ultimately the subject matter is secondary to the ability to exchange views. 🎉🎉🎉

[@simonwestaway8732]

"Get rid of alchohol..." 100% ABSOLUTELY agree! Would solve A LOT of issues.

[@georgewagner7787]

They tried that, it was called prohibition. Like illegal guns, the criminals sold it anyway. It would be nice but won't happen again. My college dorm wasn't coed. That stopped rapes.

[@erandeser5830]

JP you are so brilliant in your field. Stay out of the Shapiro band, stay inclusive, reject divisiveness.

[@cpat7065]

What an incredible segment. Extremely well thought out.

[@complimentarycontemplation1873]

Bill burr the comedian on late night suggested believe 87% of women because all is just too much. And that’s hard argue. And ultimately there should be an investigation

[@caitlinj422]

I know I'm completely missing the point here, but are they at a wedding? Haha imagine asking Jordan Peterson to give a toast at your wedding and getting this. 😂

[@leislschutte6421]

That’s hilarious

[@keralytekid]

Nice...that was good!

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

Ha!🤣🤣

[@xJMAN92x]

That boy at the beginning was touching his collar nervousssssss

[@silentbob7984]

Jordan should have continued on his tangent on alcohol. It’s a bigger problem than guns. I wonder how often alcohol is involved in shootings, car accidents, abuse, etc.

[@susandrakenviller3683]

They drink alcohol in other countries too but they don’t have the gun to start shooting others.

[@darylfoster7944]

A lot

[@melissasaint3283]

I think they're about equal. I say this as someone who does not drink, is a fair shot on the range and has shot an AR-14. An enraged and drunken man with a semiautomatic firearm is a grave problem. He is much, much more dangerous than he would be without the firearm.

[@billytessio6326]

The NRA won't allow the CDC to even study the factors involved in shootings because the lobby is so powerful.

[@silentbob7984]

@@billytessio6326 Could be more of a trust issue. We’ve allowed the integrity of our systems to collapse. I don’t think the cdc handled Covid very well, in fact no institution handled it well. I not sure if diminished trust is all part of the game they’re playing or if it’s an unintended side note.

[@justfun985]

WOW this is right on. This is talking about the number 1 issue facing us today. With contraception now a reality, what are the new rules? You can't just throw away the old rules and expect people to understand the new rules when they are none yet.

[@coenofferman4760]

I just love how Dave Rubin advocates for judging people as an individual instead of a collective, while they generally talk about what "The Left" thinks. We don't see the irony at all here.

[@elwiwi7587]

I mean I could see him getting a little bit of a pass due to people being called the bad guys from WW2, bigots, misogynists, homophobic, transphobic, all for slightly disagreeing with the lunatic twitter mobs narrative

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

That could be because "The Left" isn't so much a people group as it is an ideology, a way of thinking, a world view etc... Being Hispanic isn't an ideology, being a man isn't an ideology, being white, black, woman, etc etc. None of those are worldviews or ideologies etc.. If this is the case, then its not ironic at all. Just a possibility for what it's worth.

[@georgewagner7787]

Or a probability

[@zachbuyshouses6478]

He definitely makes me feel like I am dumb which is a good thing

[@tommyrq180]

“Mobbing people who seemed to have made an error.” He has a wonderful way with words because he actually considers those words carefully. Mobbing is what people do, unfortunately. And they seem to mob about things that relieve them from accountability or consequence. That is, it’s a form of collective self-referential narcissism. But on one thing Jordan Peterson falls into a contemporary word trap. He says something we hear too often. “We need a serious conversation about…” That, my friends, is an empty, even utopian sentiment with no real meaning. Mobbing is not about serious conversations. Humans have very few serious conversations. And how might we define them in any case? Impossible. This current moment is all about people who cannot be serious asserting unsupportable things to self-aggrandize and pander, an entirely emotional, self-referential (and hence, ungeneralizable) stance entirely allergic to “serious” conversations. “Serious” conversations are, therefore, extremely rare. In the age of social media, they signals submerged in the noise of the mob. As much as I admire Jordan Peterson’s genuine care for humanity and serious scholarship and rhetorical accuracy, he falls into the trap of an entirely fluffy concept that merely points to the impossibility of doing the very thing he asserts. There are no “serious conversations” except between very small groups of rare people who share philosophical alignment on core issues. And they can’t influence anything but their immediate surroundings. There never has been, and cannot be, a “serious conversation” about real things that, by implication, arrive at insight and turn into policy or actual human normative transformation. Jordan, as brilliant and genuine as he is, is not having a serious conversation with the radical left. He’s mocking them and they attack him in return. We are all, it seems, ants on a log floating down a river. We may think we’re influencing its path, but that would be easily debunked by any entity with a higher level of understanding. Take care of your area of the log and hang on.

[@diamenciarz1711]

This is so eloquently put that I'm baffled. I also wonder how many people would take part in a serious conversation if Jordan was the face of one.

[@joseppi1282]

When someone has a platform to communicate with large amounts of people, I don't think their primary goal via that platform is to have serious conversations with radicals. It's probably to speak with the much larger group of moderate people who are willing to listen and conversate reasonably. De-radicalization is a worthwhile endeavor, but it's much more effective if handled on a personal level and not in the public eye where the radical will want to keep a facade to prevent public humiliation when their ideology is exposed. By reinforcing the common sense and reasonableness of moderates, those moderates are better equipped to have serious conversations with the radicals in their lives.

[@hijodelaisla275]

"actually"

[@rhodymark4305]

About 5:00 - Add drugs as well. The combination of alcohol and (more potent than ever) drug consumption HAS to be affecting judgment in a great deal of cases.

[@cescapraca]

It’s really simple. Sexually activity involves two ppl, both ppl get turned on. That means both want it. If your not sure that the other person wants it or they are too young to understand it, don’t do anything. Not hard.

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

The problem is some white people can't control their primitive urges

[@mkocinema2012]

It should be- "Believe all women when they say they have feelings to express, and listen!"

[@queent3343]

Don't the Cahtolics believe women are born with original sin? Don't men prejudge women? By the way she's dressed?

[@corrietrue6347]

The thing is, we do largely have an answer for what is the acceptable level of consent. Enthusiastic “yes”, and knowledge that you can say “no” anytime. If you can’t get an enthusiastic “yes” from someone (which can be shown by their reciprocal engagement too), then it’s a “no”. And if you’re not sure, it’s a “no.” If it’s a maybe, it’s a “no.” And if you’re under the influence or under age, you are incapable of giving consent.

[@cmojo68]

If we are to foster social equality, it must be dependant on each and every individual's willing adoption, of personal responsibility, within the mores of social and professional interactions. It's immature to demand equal consideration, whilst reserving the right to "run home to Mother", if you don't get your own way. [perhaps you're not ready for social interaction yet, if this is the case]

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Femunism has NEVER been about equality! Women wanted political.power (the vote) but men can keep the sole responsibility of defending the political system (the draft). Women wanted equal access to the workplace but special childcare considerations too. How much maternity leave do men enjoy? Did women want equality there? Which 50% of women will surrender their maternity leave to their partner? Women won reproductive rights? Did men get them too? A women has to consent to parenthood. A man gets zero consent. She can put the child up for adoption after birth. Can he? Femunism has NEVER been about equality!

[@cmojo68]

@@jonahtwhale1779 Your rant, is just a regurgitation of what I have said but in an inarticulate manner. Not helpful.

[@michaelmcilrath9466]

@@cmojo68 Oh my gosh, but you are soo clever! Well done

[@cmojo68]

@@michaelmcilrath9466 Sorry if you feel intimidated but somebody's got to do the thinking. Oh, and I'm so-o-o greatful for your insightful input. You go girl!

[@chiefgully9353]

@@jonahtwhale1779 men get 0 maternity leave.... becuase they are paternal not maternal. However more and more places are adopting paternity leave programs so there is that. For the rest of your rant it was realy hard to follow, so I can neither agree or disagree with your statements

[@codswallop321]

Well put. It was quite clear, forty years ago, that the excesses of the 60s and 70s had led us down a dark path. Hopefully the old wisdom is gradually returning to Western culture (minus the superstitious guesswork of the past).

[@Windrake101]

Unfortunately the "superstitious guesswork" is returning (at least as far the politically active are concerned).

[@MrProsat]

FIGHT BACK! For heaven's sake, young men need to fight back and not allow these freaks to label us.

[@TheGiftRF]

Our tongues have been cut out

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

@@TheGiftRF as a woman I'm so sorry. At least on a popular level, Depp vs Heard shed some light on this

[@andrewpowers3697]

"we need to start judging people individually and not collectively" but then that is immediately followed by "but they..." no one sees the irony in that?

[@divisadero8859]

There is a difference between you are guilty because you are men and you believe these ideas as you are part of that ideology.

[@ByronWWW]

Left and right is such a broad catch all grouping it's the same thing - socially conservative while believing in some "socialist" economics isn't even seen as a possibility. Majority of people would meet somewhere in the middle, but your political systems and click bait presenters like Peterson need things to be polar opposites to drive engagement - driving a wedge in society for personal or political gain is terrible. Always them Vs us, in group Vs out group.

[@miguelcasiano9532]

My daughter and her mom lies destroyed me in court. I just now became comfortable with knowing I want nothing to do with them. Women condone violence against men period.

[@SC-sn3xs]

I'm willing to bet my left nut you did exactly what they took you to court for and are just playing the victim. Go play a baby violin!

[@TallinnCity2410]

What about misenterpreting nonverbal signs? Oh, she was asking for it, she was moving and dancing like that.

[@AnthonyB2351]

I'm new to this. Where does Peterson get that this issue is exclusive to the radical left? This is the first I've heard. Can someone point me towards some examples, some literature maybe, or is it just his view?

[@jrd33]

I would say that view is generally accepted in the West. The exception would be people against these ideas for religious reasons, which are not explicitly right wing (though devout Christians seem to be more often right wing than left wing).

[@fstover5208]

Wow, these talks are really good

[@thinkingoutloud6741]

Consent, once given, cannot be retracted at a later date. Period. That is simply a consequence of the flow of time. If you want to address regret, you have to find a way to change the decision itself, at the time the decision is made… not after the fact.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

Well, it cant be retracted after the deed is done...at least not without external enabling factors...for example a dogooder legal system.

[@thinkingoutloud6741]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 Exactly. I know I wasn’t very clear, but the point is if you want to address the regrets you have the next day, your only option is to make a different decision at the time. Once made, your decisions have consequences.

[@mikochild2]

​ ok your followup comments makes sense. The original comment sounded like she can't stop it once it begins.

[@hunteranderson1428]

When Dave started talking about people 'Not being guilty' the guy next to the girl who asked the question looked extremely guilty 😂

[@rogeralsop3479]

Excellent men.

[@johanponken]

1:14 "Not midgets. Now you're gonna get us in trouble." I would have liked Dave to join in, and throw down the gauntlet, by saying "Little people's lives matter".

[@honkytonkinson9787]

Great discussion!

[@danceufo9256]

There's a magical moment when you raise the courage and take the risk to kiss someone you like. You could be turned away, and it would be embarrassing, but the risk is part of it. Many may wonder if you have the guts to take a risk. The moment is lost when you ask, unless you are a Hollywood actor.

[@Seaby41]

For everyone commenting Peterson is like he was a few years back in this video... That would be because this video is from a few years back

[@ClemensKatzer]

Indeed. At least they have put a link to original video (uploaded February 2019) into the description.

[@williamreymond2669]

6:34] Every once in a while it is informative to go back, rewind, and rewatch the audience reaction.

[@Seaby41]

I don't think men would be all that concerned about making everything transactional. The romance part is all a bit painful... Careful what you wish for.

[@marksandsmith6778]

DR Wrong. A boss can sexually intimidate without any of the crimes you mentioned. M

[@Spetsop]

This whole "ask for consent multiple times" is just a covert way of removing responsibility from yourself for the action you're about to engage in! Instead of YOU taking the responsibility for it, you now place it on the other person like "oh, they said ok after I asked them multiple times, so it must be OK for me to do it, since they gave me permission... So if I regret it later then it's the fault of the other person since they should have stopped me"! It's a cowardly way of getting yourself out of the responsibility for thinking for yourself before you engage in the activity! Deep down you know you probably shouldn't but "it's OK because I have permission"! I'm talking specifically about those people saying you should ask "multiple times" for consent! If you actually feel the need to ask/be asked the same thing several times before you make a decision, then you really need to think a lot harder about whether or not you should be doing it!

[@rd6458]

Well that works both ways then. If both people consent, then BOTH need to be responsible for any and all consequences for the action that BOTH are engaging in. It's so funny how conservatives hate hookup culture (I do too), but...so much of that disdain is only directed at women; they act as if men aren't enthusiastic participants. There is also plenty of assault in relationships as well, not just with strangers.

[@bharathj63]

Mr Peterson must be celebrated and not penalised. it's baffling that that's even discussed let alone implemented in modern day society.

[@no_alias_for_me]

I know it sounds like an exaggeration but Peterson will be a well known historical figure in 100 years or so, same as we look at Freud and others today.

[@lizkt]

I agree with all of this. But I'm also so discouraged because how on earth can this really be changed?

[@jrd33]

Making changes isn't difficult, changing things for the better is difficult.

[@ianbetts4435]

Simple way to sort it out is to return to Christ and do what he teaches as he created us.

[@fredjimbob2962]

Nothing could be worse. Christianity has caused far more pain and suffering than anything else in history.

[@ianbetts4435]

@@fredjimbob2962 wow Jimbob how breathtaking ignorant you are. Christ came to save people like you from eternal pain and suffering that you will receive if you don't except his free gift of eternal life. Jesus gave up his life jimbob for you.bless you 1 John3 v 16

[@chiefgully9353]

Yjea I'm gonna have to go no on that one. Firstly I find the least christian people do the most hacking on Christianity. Secondly I will not put myself in a position of blind obedience to anything.

[@Windrake101]

That's a failure position. What _we really need_ is something that is similar to religion that is resistant to manipulation, not superstitious and tribalistic in it's design, and actually brings people together without attempting to control which is never meant to be controlled.

[@fredjimbob2962]

@@Windrake101 All religions and philosophies will be consigned to history once superhuman AGI arrives in just a few decades. When every question you can think of, it will always has the correct answer, and in as much detail and with as much undeniable logic as we could ever hope for to leave with absolutely no doubt that it is correct every time. It will understand us far better than we could ever understand ourselves. So much so that if we asked the wrong questions, it would tell us things about ourselves that we'd rather not know. And thus will we preface every question with "would it be in my interest to know the answer to this question?" Again, from experience, you will know that if the computer says that it's not in your interest to know the answer to a particular question, you'll have no doubt that it's true and you won't dare ask the question. It will have no emotion, no agenda, no feelings, no desire or goal except one, to give the correct answer to any question you ask. Instantly, all religions and philosophies will be consigned to the garbage heap of history for every human on earth.

[@orionpax45]

Excelent and the tie that Dr Jordan is wearing is just fine =D

[@erikeippel]

Both sides have some good points. Love is the answer.

[@1isaacperkins]

sounds like someone is listening to lex 😮

[@kronk358]

Nope. Love is a word. A very ambiguous one at that. You may have a poetic sounding (albeit overused) sentence there, but we need actual concrete answers. Actual back and forth conversations. Not recycled Beatles lyrics designed to make little girls in the 60s swoon.

[@stevowilliams8279]

@@kronk358 well put

[@rossg9361]

If yer ever confused about what a Canadian accent is, as opposed to an America one, Jordan Peterson is worthwhile listening too. The differences are subtle but noticeable. Actually it’s always worthwhile listening to Peterson.

[@royalbloodedledgend]

Why can’t we just all play nice? I say let the radical right & left do what they please. As long as the majority of us normal people get to do what we please.

[@bartz4439]

Left please to let everybody be equally poor. No, i won't let that happen and won't just stand watching them trying

[@Caitanyadasa108]

The problem is that those on the extremes tend to be the radicalized activists of their respective ideologies and as such work tirelessly to get policies enacted to play out those ideologies while the majority in the middle have to suffer the consequences.

[@Seaby41]

That's the general idea. Too many people think they are right and everyone just needs to be forced to do it there way

[@bartz4439]

@@Seaby41 How about we just let everyone decide for themselves? Wanna travel and spedn money on fancy cars and luxurious items? Oh... you starve while elder? JUST DIE. You are grown man so you should know. And left people claim we should ask idiots in voting whats their opinion if they cant simply provide JUST for themselves

[@Windrake101]

Because one just needs to gain control of various layers of government, and start abusing power (such as the Far-Right currently) to make all of that moot.

[@tolstoy431]

Best Lecture EVER Peterson gave....And as far for the mutual consent .....IT is NEVER GOING TO WORK....Best advice is to keep out the alcohol....then You Will be able to make a BETTER / WISE. DECISION....I AM sure this would make a mayor impact on abuse of any kind....

[@hijodelaisla275]

Your "period" key appears to be sticking.