The WiiM AMP revisited

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0:00 Intro
1:18 Bare essentials
2:33 What about the WiiM Pro, Pro Plus?
3:20 It’s a $100 amplifier
4:31 What about Arylic B50?
5:03 What about A/V receivers?
6:09 What about the WiiM Mini?
7:08 What about the Sonos AMP?
8:34 Twisting with the KEF LS50 Meta
9:17 A €1000 hi-fi system for 2024
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[@KinuGrove]

When your review came out I had just got an SMSL A300. I was to return and get WiiM AMP in January. All I can say is WOW. For the price Wiim knocked it out of the park. Even have my record player connected and it totally rocks. I love how small it is and how well everything works. Software is excellent. Now I know I'm dreaming but WiimM please make a 5.1 or 7.2 AV Receiver/ AMP.

[@snznme]

What excites me about the WiiM amp is how the competition will respond.

[@pushslice]

^^this ! Even If it’s not exactly for me, a rising tide lifts all vessels ..

[@cgreenfield6655]

We all know Sonos will respond with a lawsuit

[@fonkenful]

Can’t wait to see how Sonos in particular reacts; several YTers have been rumour mongering for months now that 2024 is likely to see some major upgraded / new models.

[@brianvportugal1155]

Ola!

[@Ridingnz46]

Be good if it doesn't have musicast brick WXC function

[@TexasShout]

I love my Wiim amp. The folks at Wiim are very responsive to suggestions. And, are constantly working to improve things. I can’t wait for what they come up with next!

[@badger69badger]

I have loved seeing fully featured release notes and updates for both the unit and the app. So rarely have I seen a product continue to improve post purchase at the speed and consistency as the WiiM amp. Also fully agree the convenience factor of all the different streaming protocols has been revolutionary 🥰

[@johnpischedda6951]

I recommended the wiim amp to a friend just starting out looking at a $1000 system. We paired it with the Klipsch RM 50's. Very pleased with the results.

[@daoakman2462]

From the very happy owner of a WiiM amp. It’s been my daily driver system for about two months now. Only listen to the big rig when I have company over. My setup is the WiiM paired with refurbished 40 year old Baby Advents, and a subwoofer from my discarded/retired Bose Lifestyle 28. All connects to an android TV. I removed the Bose amp and tossed it, installed a 60watt plate amplifier. I really liked the WiiM with the Baby Advents, I freaking love this rig with the subwoofer added. It kicks like a Clydesdale. I stream Tidal, Spotify and KZbin high resolution audio. The benefit of the subwoofer is clean crisp bass which I limited the lows to 40 mhz. I could go lower.🎉❤. The Advents didn’t go below 60mhz.

[@arda_]

I got mine last week. Had an issue second day, support answered in 6 hours and rolled me to a previous version which fixed the issue. If they keep at it, this will be a success for sure!

[@jeffreyastjohn]

Ola! Thanks for the package recco at the end. I love that part of it (this combination works well together, etc.)

[@nunofernandes4501]

It's almost as if you'd buy it on a Wiim.

[@libertysoutlook5160]

With my Wii Pro+ I running a Fosi V3 amp. It's in a small room. I also am using a Hsu sub woofer in this setup.

[@spaminatord]

How does that dac compare to the smsl su1?

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

This thing really is a fantastic product. Good “go back”. I’ve had many ask the same questions. I’ll point them to this video.

[@brandonburr4900]

Appreciate the bloopers and the entertainment!

[@uribar-ner5055]

Today we gave this Wiim amp some serious listening. It is absolutely amazing. But shines with easy to drive speakers.

[@davidchrisman3915]

I have had a pair of Bowers & Wilkins bookshelf speakers for the past 20 years (always connected to cheap/low quality amplifier). I just connected them to my new WiiM AMP and I am totally blown away. I am streaming Apple music to the WiiM AMP and the sound quality is way beyond my expectations. I was considering upgrading my speakers, but so far the results with the WiiM AMP are so outstanding I don't think I need to.

[@donellox]

Exactly the same for me 👍🏻👍🏻

[@themarklar8759]

Got my WiiM Amp a week ago and I absolutely love it in my secondary setup!

[@jamesarmstrong2726]

Ola! Thanks for the updated review, John.

[@Hartnad]

I think this opens up the doors for a lot of people at this price point, get this and some nice second hand speakers and you are in business for not a lot of money. I can’t see that anyone would be disappointed with what this unit has to offer. It punches well above its weight!

[@OskeeWowWowIllinois]

For my living room where my wife couldn't stand a large system, I went with a Bluesound Powernode, I got it for $499 on a deal from BH Photo. I also borrowed a Wiim Amp from a friends garage system and A/Bed it. The Bluesound was a noticeable upgrade, but for 700 extra dollars retail, and 200 extra on sale it should be. They drove my KEF R3 Meta bookshelfs like a boss, the Wiim felt a little muddier bass, and the soundstage wasnt as good. Worth the extra money to me, but I'm not very price sensitive though I do love a good deal. What I really want is to stick a NAD M33 in that room, but the wife won't cosign that 😂.

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

Amazing timing! I was just watching your review of the Wiim amp last night and almost pulled the trigger but was left with a few questions. You just answered all of them! But now you have me wondering what the new potential contender is. You tease! 😂

[@douglaskeel3008]

Ola! Nice job as ever, enjoyed the bloopers too!

[@stevehutchings4339]

Olá John - first time I found your channel - its brilliant! Learning lots!

[@TbagginsMcGee]

Ola! excellent point of view John. Thanks for the great content.

[@gregoriolarocca3640]

I propose a comparison between the Wiim Amp, which costs 369 euros, and the combination of the SMSL AO300 and Wiim Mini, totaling 367 euros (260€ for the SMSL AO300 and 107€ for the Wiim Mini).

[@JCF072344]

I have the WiiM amp in my study. I'm completely satisfied with it. It's so easy to stream various apps from my iPhone, iPad, or Mac. Starting a stream also starts the WiiM and when the album is over, the WiiM shuts off--I don't have to get up to turn the WiiM on or off.

[@diemman70]

Thanks for the second look and informational talk. Ola!

[@h3h3umm]

The B50 is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Glad I stumbled upon this video just now

[@MilwaukeeBlues]

The Wiim amp has beaten my initial expectations. I love it. The folks at Wiim are great too. I look forward to the next iteration of the Wiim Amp. I bet it will be fantastic.

[@davebk1031]

Ola! Great distilling of the various value propositions.

[@aridembo1693]

Ola! fabulous video! terrific commentary.

[@pjmt29]

At that price it's an absolute banger with the feature set it has, I think it has set a standard & price point for other manufacturers to beat.

[@ramondelgado6778]

Loved this!!! More budget system equipment reviews!!!!

[@barneyrubble9309]

Its a great product for getting new people into replaying music at a half decent quality. For many this will be enough but for some it will be the door to higher quality replay.

[@SmallRoomAudio]

The outtakes are great - impressed you don’t potty mouth swear when that happens, when I screw up I sound like an old angry bloke down the pub who’s had a particularly bad day!

[@cherylstuart1695]

The fosi audio BT20A amp is a cracking buy 2 channel , rca line in, and can be used as pre amp , no hdmi

[@JoelOman1980]

I got the WIIM AMP combined with the Triangle BOREA BR03, which has a sensitivity of 90db. It sounds awfully good for the money and in my living room that is fairly small, there's really no need for a subwoofer (also the building is built in the 70s, so a subwoofer would probably have me evicted anyways). I needed both the streaming capabilites and the HDMI ARC in, so it was kind of a no-brainer for a budget HiFi system. Cheers Mr. Darko, thanks for another cool video!

[@monmioamio]

Originally bought to go with my TV, the WiiM Amp unexpectedly has become my favourite squeezebox. LMS on a raspberry + iPeng a great combo with the WiiM amp.

[@andyononlaw]

Ola! Nice revisit John!

[@klotzey]

Olá! Damn I wished you would do more of these revisited Videos. Just a really great format especially in the landscape of all those initial reviewers that have to get their videos out of the door asap after or even before the official release! Also: I'm currently using the Wiim with a pair of Pro-Ject Speaker Box 5 (not the S2) - they're using the same Drivers and are A LOT cheaper than the S2s, take out the drivers, give them a rough scrubbing and throw some matte paint of your choice on there and you might get away with a 500 bucks pairing that looks and sounds wonderful! (excluding cables that is) thanks again for that great video!

[@russelljohn5258]

I am considering the WiiM Amp but I already have the WiiM Pro Plus, so also considering a Fosi ZA3 Amp about $149 US depending. It has a little more power than the WiiM amp and seems by all reports well made, and yes this gets us over $300 total but still cheap for a streamer, a decent dac in the pro plus and a comparable amp to the WiiM Amp. I may go that route thoug i do like the 1 box solution of the WiiM amp.

[@rippedgeek]

Hola, and great video, as always!

[@ethanblitz3661]

If you have more content for bloopers include them please haha, makes my day.😂

[@markcook9084]

Ola’. Great stuff! Thank you

[@simonward14011968]

Great video John. It's great to hear the 'audio management' detail. Lots to learn. Not least - how to connect banana connects😊

[@mikedavid6681]

Love your content. Keep it up

[@markc8773]

The rsl ia255.1 amplifier comes to mind for $110. Another great video John.

[@DC-bo9py]

I've just bought an ESCAPE M1 AIR Hi Res streaming dac and it outputs to my Chord Chordette set up. Works like a dream.

[@user-ux5go7gv6d]

Olá, de Lisboa! Looking forward to your future €1000 system video.

[@FlintingSun]

This is fun! Thanks!!

[@slacker23666]

On the squeezelite with an AVR comment, I set up LMS based your advice John, and it has an excellent DLNA plugin by Phillipe that turned my two AVR's into squeezelite clients. LMS is phenomenal, btw. Thank you so much for recommending that as I was ignoring it thinking it was an old forgotten project And if I may ask for advice, would introducing a WiiM (mini or Pro??) make sense for me if I want to improve my streaming experience over LMS? And would getting an external Topping DAC make more sense for me if I wanted to improve upon the Marantz AVR's internal DAC (I think Marantz use an ESS chip internally - which gives me great sound fwiw)?

[@VikramSudarsan]

Ola! Based on several of your wonderful videos, got a WiiM Amp and set it up with KEF LS50Metas and KC62 Sub. Works quite well - I'm up at 70-90% volume. Also have a Sonos Amp hooked up to KEF R3 Metas and a KC62 Sub. Thrilled with both and definitely appreciate the cost of the WiiM Amp!

[@LaurenBerns]

You do great work

[@hifi-photo-Brian]

The Fosi Audio BT20A Pro amp sounds great and has more power for $90 Amazon. That is an amp option. Cheers!

[@djse7en1976]

The Wiim Amp has a new firmware update, and is officially roon certified ready.

[@adsph]

John I really enjoyed this revisit of the Wiim amp. I have a Wiim Pro. Wiim pro SMSL Su-1 Fosi Audio BT 20A Pro I got for $80 USD.

[@sajeeladameonwildsugar5698]

Ola! I'm intrigued by the Wiim Amp Pro + and am attracted to the streaming comprehensiveness too. It just seems like a fun audio device, fun being something that is missing in more serious streamers, dacs and amplifiers.

[@sunefred]

Cant wait for the contender in the €1000 combo bracket!

[@yorkshiredefender1105]

I’ve just setup the Denon CEOL with a pair of KEF LS50 Meta’s. The denon surely is a good alternative. It sounds spectacular

[@TheFrugalAudiophile]

I am currently using the Arylic BP50 - which is an HDMI ARC preamp that cost around $100. It also has a subwoofer output with built-in crossover. I have it paired with a pair of Swan OS10 powered speakers, but one could also use a power amp along with a set of passive speakers. It also has an optical output volume control, so one could also add their own DAC into the system for a further upgrade. I am not sure if this is a better sounding set up than the Wiim amp, I have not heard the Wiim, but it sounds pretty good to me and I like the flexibility of adding my own DAC and amplifier.

[@veroman007]

It’s amazing we live in a time where you can get an incredibly good hi-fi set up for under $1000. But as a guy that buys used equipment I can tell you my $2500 set up with an old rotel amplifier some LRS plus speakers and a smoking dac with a lot of settings I’m happy. As an older audio file it’s amazing what technology has done. I really enjoy your reviews. You have a rational and entertaining way of explaining this.

[@franknelissen8041]

What old Rotel have you got?

[@veroman007]

@@franknelissen8041 980bx

[@MakiPavlidis]

Olá. Looking forward to hearing about the upcoming competitor!

[@siphonsnob]

My alternative to the WIIM amp plus speakers would be the WIIM Pro coaxed to the Vanatoo T1E Plus active speakers, having 2 x 100W amps to the "woofers" plus 2 x 20W to the tweeters and includes a sub-out terminal. The cost of that combo is USD800 presently.

[@robertmyers6917]

ola john i luv the wiim amp unit thanks for the reviews

[@davdidit6]

Love this video

[@stuart.s.]

Ola Nice follow up. This is a very keenly priced amp.

[@vsalasarcr]

Hola, excelente, productos calidad precio. Es bueno saber que en esta época el buen sonido se ha "democratizado ".

[@Karhallarn]

I really like the idea of the WIIM AMP. I already have a WIIM Mini for two years and I became kind of a Loxjie Fan in the last years, rocking their small D10 and A10, Dac and AMP with my WIIM. I just upgraded to their new A40 AMP and D40 DAC: The A40 AMP is 240€ in germany, has HDMI ARC, COAX and Optical in, as well as Phono and RCA inputs and a SUB out. Sadly no SUB Management. The Loxjie plus the WIIM Mini is 30€ more than the WIIM AMP. Maybe that would be a contender!

[@robertcowart2456]

Let me try this again. Thanks for the follow up, and thanks for not breaking the bank with this recommendation. Thanks to your entertaining and very thoughful reviews I own the Denafrips terminator dac, and more recently the Monitor Audio 100 7G in Heritage Green. They both sound very, very good, and I have zero regrets. Perspective is what's needed especially after all the slings, and arrows from the so called "experts."

[@tigertiger1699]

Great points🙏🙏🙏 lol must be frustrating making them.. at times

[@trevorbartram5473]

Hi John, if you don't have a smartphone, the Echo Link plus DAC of your choice & Fire tablet for control & display works great.

[@jantomsic1944]

I wish I saw this amp a year and a half ago when buying a setup for my TV, it would've been perfect. I ended up getting powered speakers with optical-in instead.

[@robertmcmillan7746]

Ola! Your analysis is correct, but forgive me. After watching the original video I did buy the WiiM Pro Plus and a $65 second hand receiver. Yeah no HDMI - ARC, but very happy with the results/budget. Love the App and equalizers. Now I want a pair of Focal Chora 826's to go with it.

[@dal2258]

Olá John. Been using a Wiim amp for a couple of months now in my home office. It's easy in use, works flawless and sounds great considering its price. And it looks good 😊

[@pianomosaic]

Greetings from near Berlin. I got the Wiim amp with the LS 50 Meta and I'm very happy with it. The HPF was the main reason. I just can't find anything comparable that can do that even at twice the price. I notice its low power though. At my max listening levels there's very little headroom. But that just means I'm looking forward to the Wiim amp pro or whatever will come next. Space was also a consideration! And a physical volume knob.

[@bennozoid1]

Ola! Love this Channel!

[@mysoulflies]

Hola Darko, como estás? gran video!

[@Justmakesomenoiz]

I'm very interested in this wiim amp and looking eventually to pair them with the excellent galion voyager TL speakers. They sound amazing 👍🏻 great work and plz try to get a hold of the galion voyager tl and test them out that would be amazing to hear what you think of them.

[@kava365]

I've recently bought a fosi v3...nice little amp with a sub out (no sub management)..that with a Wiim Mini is a nice minimalist system for around 220 Euros. Nothing stellar of course, but you get quite a lot for what you pay, especially if paired with speakers with decent efficency on the warm side.

[@alessiofortuna9383]

Hi, have you tried the Volumio Integro? A comparison between these new streamer amplifiers would be nice

[@tehkik]

Bought a WIIM Amp month ago to replace an ancient Denon AVR2808 and REALLY happy with it. Funfact; PLEX integration is also coming soon to the WIIM streaming suite 🤩

[@alfredolim1067]

support sub?

[@T100ley]

Olá Great video!! Hard to beat in terms of all out streaming capability and all-in-one value. For people not interested in 2nd hand or do not want an AVR this is a terrific option.

[@unomilan]

Ola! Good follow up. One question. Can wiim amp work with KEF LSX speakers? I am trying to find something better than the KEF app and a volume knob ... i miss that so with all the app controlled systems. Thank you!

[@markvandenberg4606]

This seems like an exciting product to me. I incidentally just purchased the Pro Plus to use as a streamer/DAC. I may not be a seasoned audiophile, but it sounds pretty damn good to me. I’d be interested to hear this amp.

[@garethsnaim8174]

I got a wiim amp just because its so cheap did not really have a use for it, but ultimately its replaced a pair of M2 meridians, A gustard dac and Node. Connected to pair of naim nSats and a rel sub.

[@andystobbs597]

Olá, love my Wiim amp. ❤ Powers my Elac DBR62's just fine for my listening needs, with a Q Acoustics 3060s sub in a mid size room with speaker placement constraints. I get full WAF and a EQ to make it sound good! All for £1100!! Music to my ears. Also paired seamlessly into an Audio Pro home Wi-Fi setup for the full Sonos experience at a fraction of the cost. Thanks for your content, it helped.

[@julienpa3]

Are you saying you can get a Sonos-enabled amp without the Sonos AMP? I’m currently sticking with the Sonos mainly because I want the multi room with other Sonos speakers and don’t want to invest in a Sonos Port for that

[@volkiruski1221]

I am used to buy directly from factory manufacturers in China. I think I found an Egolden WA-8 60watt amp, dac, streamer for 140 euro. Next week I get it and I test it, let you know the tesults

[@TheNightPortal]

thank you for mentioning Chromecast. its so overlooked and highly used.

[@GardenOfShepards]

What sub would you recommend with the Wiim Amp and Project Speaker Box combo?

[@rod750]

I was looking at the Russound MBX-AMP and the Bose Music Amp for a hide-it-away, control-with-phone solution for my garage. I then found the Wiim Pro and got one and looked for a suitable amp and had narrowed it down to the Fosi BT20A Pro with a 48 volt power supply for $USD119.99. But reviews said the DAC in the Wiim Pro was a bit dull and the BT20A Pro has analogue inputs only so I put it all into the too-hard basket. Then the Wiim Pro Plus came out, which would have suited the BT20A Pro more due to the better DAC but whilst in analysis paralysis the Wiim Amp appeared, which solved my problems completely. If I needed a higher power output I'd go the Wiim Pro Plus and BT20A Pro 48v combo, for which Fosi says you'll get 110w into 8ohms.

[@gemini211269]

OLA! Great video and comparisons, John. I'm tempted to purchase my own WiiM AMP and run the comparison vs my Blusound Powernode to see if there really is any appreciable difference in sound. I'll be more than a bit over the top speaker wise as the only passive speakers I currently have in my stable are my Buchardt S400s (with upgraded crossovers) and Revel Ultima Studio 2s.

[@fam.kessel1215]

Bluesound n330 is garbage... bought it secondhand and is was working fine then. After a week with my polk r100 and svs sb1000 it went dead. Apparently something with capacitors in the power supply that broke because of being cheap quality. And there is a 50ms delay in lipsync and no way around it.

[@MindfulProgramming]

I tried a WiiM Pro + Fosi ZA3 vs WiiM Amp. Nearly equivalent price between the two setups. Decided that the ZA3 is overkill in the power section, and has WEIRD on/off 12v trigger behaviors. Also considered the OSD Audio XMP100, but the WiiM Amp setup is just so clean and tidy.

[@34332]

Can you explain more re. the 12v trigger behavior?

[@hanneskluytenaar6908]

Bon dia,,,, 😊 Would the Yamaha r-s202d with the wiim mini or the arylic s10 come near? Love the bloopers🎉😂

[@jimbergmann8633]

Replaced a NUVO One which failed. Pushing four patio speakers, beautiful. The technical data isn’t really important to me, I just need to hear the speakers. Good unit, good video.

[@arvind0rjillako]

How can you drive 4 speakers with the Wiim Amp?

[@macizoc9496]

Ola!! I love your reviews.

[@petermitro3426]

The Wiim Pro Plus and the Fosi Audio ZA3 w/ 48v power supply is $348 combined. Also you can upgrade the OpAmps on the Fosi. But there is no HDMI, as on the Wiim Amp. But you can add a better DAC in future on the Pro or Pro Plus which you can't on the Wiim Amp. Really hard decision.

[@brisingrxm6022]

My biggest problem with the wiim amp, is that it seems like everyone is valuing its streaming power over the actual quality of amplification being had. I think all of the wiim streamers are excellent value and very good all around products, but the amplifier section leaves much to be desired. A denon 670/660 for not very much more money, gives more power, room correction, and similar, although not the same streaming options. I feel like darko was way overvaluing streaming and connectivity options when reviewing an amplifier that would struggle to drive even moderately power hungry speakers to decent levels with any sort of dynamic music. For a desktop system and near field listening, I think the wiim amp is perfect, but for any other application, for a little more money, there are so many better options that still offer things like airplay, chromecast and Spotify/tidal connect. These range from entry level Cambridge audio integrated amplifiers with separate streamers, to a lot of entry level denon recievers.

[@thestr8jacket1]

Could you tell us how this system compares to your previous £1000 kick ass system (Rotel amp with Dali Spektor speakers and Topping streamer). Same budget but sound comparison??

[@brianfernandes2382]

Interesting versatility from the Wiim amp

[@Zhiloreznik]

Crazy value for the money. I’d buy the same package for 5 times more if it had Hypex level amplification. So something like NAD does in recent masters series but without the screen and lower price.

[@ianjapal5377]

Ola. Great content

[@gerardphilippetuazon491]

OLA! John and thanks for the follow up review. For me the WIIM AMP is already a must have in a budget system. The only problem I have is choosing the right speakers that will match well with the WIIM AMP. The Project speakers you mentioned is not available in my country 😅

[@lvi3818]

I just matched some PSB Alpha P5's with the WiiM. Great sound, good price and 89db sensitivity. If you're in the EU then Heco Aurora 300s are great speakers. Amazing bass output at 32hz and 90db sensitivity

[@larsisaksen]

I'm going to be trying the amp with a pair of Triangle tituz ez's, they are a bit more sensitive, so I think they might work well. Seen some mention the kef ls50's working as well.

[@PhilipBallGarry]

How about Dali Oberon 3 🤔👍

[@PeterB_NL]

Thanks again John! Does the WIIM AMP (and thus its app) support playing audio files from a local NAS share or PC shared folder? I would also be very thankful if you could try making a habit of mentioning such capability every time you test or compare streaming players.