The 2 Best Ways to Grip a Pistol Compared

Today, John trolls Paul, the Training Director for Warrior Poet Society and explains why he is right on all the things they disagree on. I, John, am definitely not writing this description either. I suppose there is some discussion on both the active and passive pistol grip methods and a lot of other great information, but be honest people, you came for the trollery.
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[@jgill9514]

The trick to controlling recoil is having arms like tree trunks and a beard like Leonidas ✔ got it

[@johnd4348]

Hands like a vice . That gun is not moving.

[@jgill9514]

🦾

[@Saanonymous80]

Beard ✅ Tree trunk arms.... 😢 Ok. I have only a decent recoil management system

[@brianpierce5786]

Don't forget the lightly oiled arms to accentuate the recoil control device lol

[@jimsanders4412]

The beard I can do. The arms...well, not so much... ;D

[@deanpettikas4631]

Paul shooting with his elbows relaxed gives more resistance to recoil than most guys do shooting with their elbows locked into position!

[@eduardozarate856]

I like to think of relaxed elbows acting like shocks on a car, absorbing recoil.

[@MutsuKazuma]

@@eduardozarate856 a spring isn't exactly in a relaxed state when a car is sitting on top

[@RPG-oh1yf]

@@eduardozarate856 I think Dean's point was that Paul's arms weigh as much as a truck and mass is what absorbs recoil.

[@24Mossberg]

I shoot with relaxed elbows…always!

[@KTMsoldier1988]

Must have something to do with them oiled up biceps.

[@renemoreno6440]

This is great training! Thank you. Me and my boys have been shooting for some time and use this video as part of our training.

[@Assassin_5515]

I will say, for YEARS I was shooting the way Paul showed and I had very bad follow ups and pistol control. It wasn’t until I first saw John’s pistol shooting videos that I changed to his style and had much betters results for me. Everyone has different bio mechanics and John’s style just works better for me. But it was GREAT to finally see an explanation!!

[@chloedemeter5473]

Check out Bob Vogel, great tips for high grip

[@shepleonard8695]

Could be by changing grip you stop doing bad habbits? You were more focused on learning something new that those habits didn't follow over.

[@gageirwin7206]

Respect! Johns style hurts my wrist cocking it up like that but I can shoot both ways I say my normal go to is Paul's way for sure

[@CarolinaGunGuy]

Nice to see different grips addressed. I'm a strong proponent of "one size does *not* fit all," find what works for you.

[@NoNo_IStay]

We must name it the "Tactical Battle Gnome Grip"

[@proceramic7422]

Johns grip is geared for guys with girl hands. Its actually called a transgrip🤣

[@AlphaRomeoOneFive]

Teacup grip > all other's.... 😜

[@john-paulsilke893]

I’m a guard grabber and I’m trying hard for more then a year and a half to switch thumbs forward. I went from top 5-6 at events to 10-11 or worse. 😢 It’s clearly a better method but it’s a struggle to change. I honestly get those old guys who tea cup or wrist grab, (great for thumbing the hammer btw). Just installed a red dot on my new race gun and astigmatism be damned, I’m going for it!

[@PostcardsfromAlaska]

These guys are awesome. But as a revolver shooter who occasionally picks up an auto, ill stick w thumbs crossed revolver grip, and weaver stance. I’m weird, I know. But my strategy for winning a gunfight that I hope to never be in, is to shoot em dead with an invisible gun. Hence, the jacket pocket hammerless.

[@bbarker5766]

I believe that your grip should evolve with your experience and having high quality instructors like John and Paul should help you get there quicker. Thanks for this vid John!!

[@h.w.6481]

As a LEO for over 40 years I have always enjoyed learning something new and make adjustments to my craft. I appreciate your ability to improve. Thank you gentlemen..

[@tb5674]

This was helpful. Great video

[@stevep7608]

John really knows how to add beneficial people to his company.

[@randomactsofriding4850]

Very true

[@availableusername41]

Hopefully he doesn't add any more than 99 people though.

[@rcdubya]

True, and the common thread to me is that they are good communicators and very comfortable on camera.

[@ioracle8015]

i loved him.

[@THPOOKY]

Except for Evan...

[@jebkramer1263]

Man it’s so refreshing listening to you guys! I really miss the banter and social interaction from my service days.

[@patosky5218]

Love the bromance 😍 thank you for the excellent tips😍

[@jtcustomknives]

“Back that girl back down and don’t loose friction” oh man you had me chuckling

[@swanee9414]

Everybody needs a friend who can bench-press pick-up trucks.

[@Gldn1017]

For when that damn harbor freight jack he warned you about gives out 🙃

[@johnneill5960]

Well when you're 3ft 11 you don't have as far to go 🤣

[@rickgarcia7334]

Or a giant son-in-law! 😂

[@nik07nik]

The shaved arms help with the aerodynamic when benching.

[@hill1776]

Women love that too :-)

[@DIYDad1]

I’ve tried John’s way of shooting for quite a while and it worked at first but my elbows fatigued faster and I lost efficiency in shooting after an extended period of time. Went back to shooting a bit more traditional and instead of having my arms locked out at full extension I started to put a bit of a bend in my elbows. This had the added benefit of bringing the sights in closer to my eyes, which is great for these tired aging eyes.

[@michaelshuey1614]

Absolutely. Preach it brother. Also, it gets the firearm closer to your center of gravity. For self defense situations it’s the best way to go imo. Better control. I love having the gun closer to my face where I can focus on that front sight. Furthermore, by keeping elbows down, gun closer, I don’t lose time extending my arms and the gun forward. Basically, whatever angle my elbow was at when I pulled clear of the holster, I maintain that angle without extending. Finally, the more relaxed we are the better we perform. A good tip is to keep the jaw relaxed during a mag dump or a Bill drill. Try to imagine a Pringles potato chip on your tongue and you that don’t want to break it while you shoot. Anyways, I’m glad we think alike.

[@billyedwards6101]

Cool first time to watch I liked the episode, and I subscribed,hopefully I'll learn some great techniques, thanks .

[@Chinyai]

Battle Gnome sounds like a really empowering and understanding teacher. Doing an awesome job and I can already tell his classes would be excellent. Hope to one day have the honor to take a course with these guys. Awesome video

[@Sophistry0001]

Yea the fact that he picks up on new shooters doing that sympathetic support hand index movement along with the trigger pull just shows not only an understanding and mastery of the content, but a high level of proficiency at teaching

[@jdbennett93]

Been there in person with both of them, positively outstanding! Well worth your money to train with them

[@lorenn107]

Went to the range for the first time today by myself after buying everything I'll need for EDC. Thanks so much for the info, your videos helped give me the confidence to pull the trigger and start something new.

[@sethkeown5965]

not trying to sound provocative, im genuinely curious. are you actively carrying every day? do you believe you have the right edc gun and holster for any social situation?

[@creationlabsinc.189]

@@sethkeown5965 what do you think this guy was born with the knowledge of a years experienced person? Don’t be that guy that quizzes a noob only to make yourself feel better.

[@joogullae3456]

@@sethkeown5965 any gun is better than no gun

[@TakeTheHighground]

Awesome explanation, very helpful!

[@centex52]

thank you guys for an awesome video, very helpful

[@garyandtricia1]

First time I've heard Paul talk at length. It is nice to get a better feel for his thought process.

[@mr.wilson1301]

Love it! Keeping us informed and giving us the right visuals and breakdowns as usual much appreciated guys. 👍🏾

[@troublekidmexi]

Much love from Arizona

[@InSightFreedom]

Fantastic. Thorough. Even fun and funny at times. 💯

[@jamesbuffer4120]

Love the instruction John gives. One of my favorite sites. May God bless you all.

[@ken244]

Absolutely fantastic info. I sit and watch with my (cleared) pistol pausing the video and trying out the techniques and really have learned a lot to improve my grip. Thanks so much.

[@thehouseofronin9209]

Great video! Lots of helpful info and great camaraderie

[@em8155]

When he looks and nods at the camera, you know I nodded back... with style

[@MichaelSmith-ri1rb]

Would love to see a video on Paul's fitness routine. Also, can we get Paul a shirt that fits.💪

[@stunna1050]

😆

[@VictoryOrValhalla14]

His fitness routine is Trenbalone and Anavar.

[@nated5713]

Pretty sure it’s shake weights for the win.

[@stevep7608]

T-Rex growth hormone

[@VictoryOrValhalla14]

@@stevep7608 he can’t afford it and his gut isn’t bloated. He could just be using 2ius nightly for weight loss though but he’s 100% not natural and I’m 1000% onboard with it.

[@timothybarber9849]

I’ve watched a few of these videos on grip and recoil management and applied the techniques these men are teaching and it’s improved my accuracy almost immediately. I’m not where I wanna be but until I can afford a few of their training courses these videos are helping immensely. Thank you both for the priceless knowledge that could possibly save my life or a family members life if it ever comes down to it. The only advice I could give anyone is to keep things slow and focus on all the details they are teaching until it becomes second nature then work on speed. It’s what I started doing and I’ve improved more in the last two months than I have in the last two years.

[@24Mossberg]

If you can’t afford training…this is absolutely the next best thing. In fact, watch several times…apply…watch again…you’ll get it. Then, practice,practice, practice.

[@larryps]

Thanks guys. Great info and video

[@MidnightMaker]

Great video! BG is amazing!

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

I chose active mitigation because John told me to. And because it allows you to flex for pictures while shooting. -Have a good reason.

[@MegadethTillDeth]

God bless WPS and my fellow warrior poets! I learned my pistol grip from John 3 ish years ago. I can't get 1quite to where he is but it's fantastic. The control difference is notable

[@MrBhcole]

Phenomenal video. Thank you so very much.

[@EireGenX]

Great video, fun and informative thanks.

[@patc2515]

I just want to say that I really love this channel, all of the content, the morals and values of this company and the people behind it, and really just everything. I dont say this much but John is really someone worth looking up to and seems like a fun dude to know. I wish I could have trained with ya'll when I was getting started with firearms. Thank you for all for the awesome, helpful, and insightful videos you've shared with us! I hope to see many more awesome videos in the future. God Bless!

[@brenttanner9889]

The Camera operator seems to be more interested in Paul’s arms and chest than the weapon and hand grip positions that Paul is demonstrating for us.

[@franckchantayan2140]

My thoughts exactly -- cameraman completely missed where the focus SHOULD have been -- the gun and grip. Even Paul was looking at his own grip, that should have been a clue for the cameraman.

[@fog8969]

Same here. But the background noise (I wouldn't call it "music") was even more annoying than that. Tried turning on closed captions and turning off the sound, but that made it too difficult to watch. I just don't get it, never did, why so many KZbinrs ruin their videos with loud, distracting, annoying background noise. Couldn't watch.

[@chucksoutdoors]

Sure it wasn't a camera woman?

[@yippeethreeeight]

No kidding. He's trying to show us how to hold the pistol, and you're not showing how he holds the pistol!

[@benjaminroney6054]

I think the camera person might have been @Rachel Putnam Olson from her earlier comments...and gives old grey-bearded goats like me renewed hope. 😂

[@Mechanized2k]

Love that roll in your cap.

[@snowman3773]

Looking forward to trying John's grip technique...

[@P8BALLSHOOTER]

Total new perspective on controlling recoil… been doing it all wrong, w/o technique just wanting to muscle it up. Also great job on explaining and teaching; great chemistry as well you guys keep up the good work. Godspeed.

[@aarongonzales5106]

Never seen a short sleeve turtle neck on a battle gnome before🤔…. My bad Paul 😂😂😂

[@fredcarbonetto2715]

Great review 👍 keep up the good work

[@rogercerasoli7875]

More great content. Thanks John!

[@georgelstuart]

I have been using the Miculek grip lately and you can't argue with the leverage of the finger gripping the front of the trigger guard.

[@EshuxTwo]

Trying these techniques at the range ASAP!! I'm a new shooter and the way you guys broke this down definitely will help so thank you!! I'll come back with an update on accuracy!!

[@myanaloglife9450]

Check out Rob Leatham he is the guy who made this grip famous, him and Jerry Michulek are considering the two best handgun shooters in the world, have the world championships to prove it.

[@johnn.2017]

8 months later... Update?

[@Fractal_blip]

​@@johnn.2017it didn't go well, I think he might have shot his toe off

[@chrispetersen4863]

Another awesome vid! Thanks Paul and John

[@vicaz9378]

It works like a champ!! Great job guys!!

[@caseymccormack2000]

Thank you John, and Paul.. I'm always looking to improve grip. I wish to be a better shooter but struggle with consistent grip and grip strength to control recoil. I'm working on it so thanks for alternative thoughts on grip pressures and placement.

[@aist0n]

I tried doing passive recoil management this past trip to the gun range and wow, what a difference it was! My grouping was much more consistent and tighter. Thank you guys so much for explaining both ways. I always thought it had to be the active way with having that aggressive grip.

[@jehster]

Great analysis and explanation. Thanks!

[@kingjs3807yahoo]

Great job guys! 👍🏾

[@dalemyers9045]

I took a page of notes and am literally getting ready to head to the range to try to apply the techniques. Thanks gentlemen. I'm a South Georgia boy now abiding in metro ATL. I'll try to book a course soon.

[@edberrios3679]

Great video as always. My grip is more like Paul's, except that I use a hinge technique that naturally squeezes the handgun equally by closing my palms, relying less on finger strength, as I'm old and retired.

[@airjordan1573]

This is really interesting. Awesome video John!

[@Slow_ass_softail]

Glad to know i’ve not been alone in what is johns technique, while in the military I always got flack for it but it produced results

[@billytaglis3586]

Now this is a great video... Thanks for doing it. I'm learning stuff here.

[@outlawandoutdoorstv9901]

Im a Infantryman served during GWOT but i have always used what you called the old school revolver grip and ive qlways had pretty good results with the grip. I have recently in the mast year started using the other grip and switching my thumb around and its really helped me control my groups and my A zone hits .

[@gooden9250]

Spent a week in class with Paul a few months ago, this makes me want to sign up again! Awesome instructor.

[@ej732]

Been training my first time shooter boomer parents. Really been learning a lot teaching them, you guys have been great.

[@OceanGuy808]

Awesome. Thanks for the cool advice.

[@11C1P]

I started using a modifed weaver stance with kind of hybrid style of grip between these guys back when I first started EDC'ing in the early 90's. I know for a lot of people, especially new shooters or guys shooting competition a squared off stance is better, but I like standing with my feet angled close to where they would be for a fighting stance.

[@hondolane3125]

I think this may boil down to what you are practicing for. The "square" stance is probably best for winning trophies. But if I am training for a real world situation, my "target" may not be stationary, and I may need to retreat and create distance while still on target, or while firing. With my feet at roughly 45 degrees to the target, close to a Weaver stance, I can push back with my front foot and start to generate distance immediately. Try that with your feet parallel to the target - you are only able to generate immediate force in a sideways direction, and have to shift your balance to start fore/aft movement. I still have a strong lateral capability with the 45 degree stance as well. There is a reason it is called a "fighting stance". And don't get me started on my "old school revolver" grip. I've won plenty of trophies that way, and I've watched guys stop a gun with their thumb. Ask Massad about strength of gun retention with thumb up vs down. I find I need too many subtle tweaks from one auto to the another to be sure not to tangle with controls or the slide itself to have one practiced "thumbs up" grip that works for me on all of my platforms. I also shoot revolvers sometimes, and I don't want to have to think first if I'm using the grip that will remove the end of my thumb when I fire.

[@nickshipley4372]

Weaver is fine. But the reason for square stances is to make sure that you have only one bullet going through as few organs as possible. Less trauma, more survivable. Truthfully if you aren’t moving while you’re shooting and changing targets, you’re not practicing anyway

[@hondolane3125]

@@nickshipley4372 100% - That's why I encourage people to get into some sort of league or matches like IPSC where the course is always dynamic and never the same twice, and you are under pressure from the clock. Still won't match being shot back at, but it'll have to do for me at least. You will uncover issues you need to tackle this way that will never arise standing in the range booth shooting. There are a lot of good arguments for each style, but I tend towards what I can keep from being hit at all with, vs not hit as bad. Being able to move quick seems best to me, it feels like an eternity to me when I try to move back with my feet square to the target. A story I've repeated many times is about a LEO who was killed by his training. They were trained to draw, shoot two rounds at center of mass, and re-holster, which they did constantly and exclusively. When he was faced with a gun, he did what he had trained, only the attacker did not go down after two rounds. The incident was the end of that training technique for his department.

[@johnd4348]

I do a fight stance also. Very aggressive and keep as little of my front body exposed as possible. I have been told this is wrong, but a smaller target as possible is what I want to present to any opponent.

[@Sophistry0001]

I would think weaver is better because it makes you a smaller target if your shoulders are bladed vs squared off. Also weaver I would think puts your feet in a better position to scoot, duck, grapple, or whatever else since it's more of an athletic stance.

[@videodistro]

Paul is where it's at. I never could sign on to John's high tension system. Tense muscles create sore and out of control muscles. Whatever works best for you. Just be sure to try things out and evaluate.

[@Sophistry0001]

Yea, that's the way I was taught when I started shooting pistol and started getting in to going to matches. It runs counter to what I've learned about muscle tension from playing drums. If you want to play hard and fast for a long period of time you gotta stay loose and let the instrument work for you.

[@KnowUrEnemy]

That brim fold is wild.

[@dennisholle1005]

Great information John and Paul.

[@justhavingfun0736]

Paul & John- Thank you. This is a great tutorial on grip! You both have helped me. Once I relaxed my elbows a little bit and didn’t try to grip the gun as tightly my accuracy improved. I wish I would’ve figured this out several hundred dollars ago in ammunition. Lol You guys rock.

[@TheCitizen1776]

Evan: Have you ever found yourself in the north Georgia mountains? Me: No lol

[@racerdude888]

me: every day

[@peternorton5648]

@@racerdude888 lucky you sir

[@swanee9414]

"...in the north Georgia mountains?" You mean with dueling banjos, and everything?

[@adrianpimentel7014]

Im actually in Georgia...in quarantine!! Quarantine on an ARB!

[@MrJones-bg4sz]

Awfw8ww

[@andylastname566]

The way Paul explains how he grips the pistol has clicked with me. Thanks Paul and John.

[@joelslack2138]

Glad you mentioned small-handed shooters. We just cannot “properly” grip according to contemporary standards, which do not make room for all hand sizes. Everybody doesn’t have long fingers.

[@boofsquad1482]

I'm an anomaly of a shooter that shoots semi-autos way better with a low-thumb revolver grip and a Weaver stance than modern thumb-over-thumb/isosceles, but even with that John's technique of twisting the pistol into itself by adjusting your elbow position really helps keep the platform steady, and for me even works really well with the asymmetrical Weaver stance. Good info!

[@slackleashdogtraining3598]

Like you, Bill Wilson violated every rule of grip and trigger control; his behavior was bizarre and would not work for normal humans. However, he swept a ton of competitions. I'm not sure a normal person could emulate what he did. I certainly cannot.

[@kencoffman7145]

This, ladies and gentlemen, is wisdom! What an awesome breakdown. Just a thought on John's technique, is it possible that it comes from his rifle shooting? With long guns he uses an extended support arm with a full hand wrap over the barrel, I think. To me it seems like a very compact version of his rifle grip. Just an observation but thanks for everything you guys are doing

[@BaritoneMonkey]

Yep, it's the pistol version of the c-clamp grip I'd say! I shoot shotguns a lot better c-clamped for sure. Also, I freaking love the dynamic between these two. So much mutual professional respect between the two of them, and genuinely the funniest banter I've ever seen in a firearm video. Also love how intentionally the philosophy of a 'warrior poet' is incorporated into every aspect of their training. Went to make sure I was already subbed after.

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

Learned allot from this vid. A+ content 👍💯

[@joshuacoon539]

You guys are awesome!

[@jamespayne4459]

I'd like to hear the war story revealing how the Battle Gnome lost his neck.

[@sethkeown5965]

tourniquet accident.

[@garyandtricia1]

Probably the best grip video out there.

[@justinschmidt1299]

This was such an awesome video. Battle gnome is my spirit animal

[@lrwado8150]

You guys have way too much fun! Love it, great vid!

[@bsimmons00]

Great video. For me, I naturally fell into the "aggressive" grip. Mostly I think it was because you can come as close as you can to locking your support wrist forward so follow-up after firing falls in the same place. Your wrist can only cant so far forward. Now, this does vary based on grip angles of various weapons but I use my strong hand/arm to dictate how far the presentation is which thus defines where my support hand can go.

[@soopahjj11]

I hold my gun completely sideways with one hand, leaving my other hand free to hold up my pants as I believe in wearing oversized-waist pants with no belt. The trade-off here is 99.99 percent of the time you will shoot an innocent bystander. Also, you miss your target 100% of the time. The benefit to this is that you believe that people think “you gangsta”. Also, you will most likely end up leaving your weapon on the ground somewhere as you will most likely need both hands: One to hold up your pants, the other to throw pre-bagged drugs over the fence of a pre-school. I hope this is helpful to someone. And remember, if you’ve seen it in a movie, it should work out in real life. P.s. I forgot to mention that thrusting the gun forward with each shot will double the velocity of the projectile while adding accuracy as you are combining shooting your target with throwing the round at your target.

[@CharacterMatterz]

😐.....😆

[@privateguardian5491]

Great video john!!

[@lunarcat1612]

I did not expect Paul to sound like that

[@mightyORFEN]

Adorable, you two matching watches. I have heard the name "Battle gnome" thrown around before. I believe it was by flannel daddy. And when I saw him, holy shit is that a glorious nickname. (Bravo Zulu to whomever came up with that one)

[@jlor7675]

I have to admit I initially thought John was a clown with his no suppressor for HD stance, but after giving him a second chance, I've realized he has the best 2A/gun content on the tube.

[@Sophistry0001]

Really? His rationale for home defense makes sense to me for like the suburbs where a neighbor is close enough to hear shots. Being out in the sticks you'd probably do better with a suppressor, especially if you had the opportunity to engage bad guys before they entered the home.

[@availableusername41]

His gear videos are are a bit too far out there for me. Everything else though, from tactics and home defense to politics and social commentary is spot on. I'd like to attend some of his classes in the future.

[@Sophistry0001]

@@availableusername41 me too. I prob couldn't afford it though and I doubt he comes to the commie states

[@brucehyde5010]

I agree he is a bit of a clown. But I think that is what I like about him. Like "Not Sure" said, "from tactics and home defense to politics and social commentary is spot on." but its his odd sense of humor that I love. He is a goofball, not so serious all the time. From one tactical dad to another, Great Dad Jokes.

[@kentuckyearl8202]

I'm not big on giving the government so much money to suppress my ARs. I've found flash cans/forward sound devices, to work better for me. The flash and noise will affect the person(s) in front of me way more than anyone to the left, right, or rear.

[@danielmarshall4587]

Awesome Mr Lovell, thank you both for a great video.

[@blackcloudactual2931]

The intro head shots. Great stuff

[@gunsandcommissions]

Evan is looking like he's in great shape these days! Continuous improvement my dudes!!!

[@warrenharrison9490]

I noticed, Evan is looking trim and not bloated anymore.

[@killiancoen1452]

So the downside of the active recoil management is increased fatigue. I may have missed it, but what is the downside to the passive technique?

[@monkeyminer892]

GREAT VIDEO GUYS!!!! Good shit

[@chrismaciver6473]

Thanks guys. just starting it to the world of shooting some great knowledge thanks

[@hogwildbowhunter]

Evan failed to explain the knife grip technique - and what’s wrong with a WPS steak knife in a fight? The steak has lost every time! And yeah the pistol Grip stuff was good too.

[@1014p]

Well let us know when that steak wins. Means mad steak epidemic is on the rise.

[@michaelmaier7262]

I bought the Steak Destroyers and am saving them for a special enemy before I pop their cherry. :D

[@calholli]

Lorena Bobbitt used a big kitchen knife just like that. just saying

[@warrensteele8365]

I was playing around with this the other day. I initially thought Paul's way was better and the way i have always done this. Alas as i started to practice with my weak and girly left hand, i realized i naturally tended to use John's method.

[@scottsw25]

sympathetic motor movement of the offhand index finger...im certain keep tension on that finger is something that i have been not doing. great video with great info, thanks guys

[@towzone100]

Great video guys

[@sylance777]

I've been researching recoil management for 19-minutes and 18 seconds, and what I can definitively say is recoil management correlates to the fold of your hat brim.

[@l.marcadella4099]

Perfect 240 degree fold

[@PYRO200055412]

I always wish manufactures would make an abbreviated trigger guard with a hook. Very stable.

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

Some guns, like the Bersa Thunder have em. It's probably the pistol I shoot most accurately too.

[@dknollRX7]

Like the shadow systems MR918? Is that kind of what you mean?

[@jensonhartmann3630]

I like hooking my support finger too. But I might need to change Glock frames. I'm on the 22 rn, but the trigger guard is pretty far forward. I also have larger hands. But still like half and inch too far forward.

[@PYRO200055412]

@@dknollRX7 similar but half the length of the trigger guard so you don't have to reach to get your finger around it.

[@JLS1982]

Really good, thank you guys

[@borzica]

That beard line up is perfection

[@TeamGreenBurrito]

Meanwhile, Milspec Mojo is like, “I choke up on it so hard, my left thumb sits on the slide.” *Proceeds to make 9mm recoil like .22 LR.

[@mikayahu4372]

I just came from a video with him to watch this

[@onpsxmember]

A lot of it is impressive, the questions is how the body takes it in the long run. Lots of shooters with wrist and elbow surgeries around. Not saying that Milspec Mojo Jojo falls in that category, just in general.

[@arbiterofuntruth6098]

“It’ll work, promise, watch”

[@balasaashti3146]

Mojo is just built different literally that man is legend when it comes recoil control.

[@Trad-Am]

It's PNW thing! It's from felling trees, and wrestling with sasquatch, we get natural resistance to recoil. 😉

[@lexlane9353]

Disclaimer: I have limited experience here, but what I noticed is that using John's technique seems to help me be able to present properly with a red dot. I don't know why but the forward thumb has really helped make sure my dot is ready when I present. Usually had to adjust a little before using that forward thumb.

[@jameshunter4352]

Cross eyed shooter?

[@mooreapi]

Lex, what type of gun do you shoot? It could be that the grip angle of the gun you shoot doesn't match your natural point/grip angle, and using John's method adjusts your angle slightly, making the dot line up better... I find that my natural point angle works better with my CZ and EAA Witness grip angle vs a Glock, which requires me to adjust slightly to bring my sights into correct alignment

[@Woolsocks]

My general though process when correcting my horrendous point when drawing was to point with my thumbs as opposed to pointing the gun and that helped me significantly, I was also borrowing my old mans Glock and learned after I bought my CZ that I always drew and aimed the Glock slightly high because of grip angle

[@lexlane9353]

@@mooreapi The two that I shoot the most are my CZ P10S and Canik SFX. This method seems to have improved dot presentation in both.

[@stunna1050]

Jerry Miculek says most have got a limp noodle. Grip it tighter. And y'know, his way works well too.

[@simplemann556]

Great job and thank you 👍

[@davedavenport8176]

Great video and explanation of two different grip methods.