Johnny Thunders - Born to lose 1984

[@johna6291]

When Johnny was on, he was smokin great!

[@brbrtrff]

I saw Johnny a fre times om his last legs. In Amsterdam and in Norrköping. Ian so glad, he did his very. best.

[@sunsun9918]

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[@EddieC3336]

Was lucky enough to catch him at Max's NY, in "77".

[@Clash_CT_Rocker69]

Johnny was always underdog regarding to music industry, so don't judge him too hard, his band as well. At least, he was an original, in every way..

[@nothx962]

He wasnt an underdog. Motley Crue was getting famous around this time and worshipped him (along with many of the BIG rock/glam bands in the 83-89 era), and Johnny was also an ex New York Doll...who went their seperate ways literally right before they were thrust to super fame and become the America answer to the rolling stones (early to mid 70's.) Then the Heartbreakers blew up but didnt last because they were mostly junkies (Richard Hell left and that hurt them too). Walter Lure was a badass though and kept it together it seems, but they still flamed, fizzled out, and died due to drugs (late 70s). Jerry Nolan (piece of shit but good drummer) and him were inseperable, but a toxic duo. If Billy Murica never died things for Johnny could have been so so different. Big labels wanted to sign him 80% of his career... but they were weary of his addiction issues, which followed him for his entire life post NY Dolls. Johnny was a legend/original and your right about everything else you said...but if Johnny would have put together 2 or 3 years of sobriety (or even just stayed on a low dose of methadone) or ditch some of the toxic women & ppl around him (easier said than done) in any of the years between 1976 and 1988 he would have been signed and likely a millionaire, but writing songs about heroin and playing a show with a heroin needle loaded w dope as a hair accessory didnt help his cause. He unfortunately couldnt (or didnt want to...he played up his image and then he would dissassociate himself with it, he did this a couple times in his career but always went back to drugs). He was a victim of bad timing, drugs, his ego, fame, hype & attention at a young age, women, hanger-ons, and most importantly...himself. But then if he did go sober and gotten rich...would he have been the original that we know and remember? Would he have stayed hungry and written the stuff he did? Would he have been better or worse without all the motivation and creativity that comes from struggle and pain? Maybe he would had achieved the level of Bob Dylan and died of leukemia at a much later age in his mid or late 60s? Endless possibilities. We'll never know, but we still remember him and always will...and I wasnt even born until 88, so hes obviously reaching different, newer generations. ;) Just some food for thought. This was him RIGHT BEFORE his obvious physical decline started to be really noticeable...definitely caused by the combo of drugs (heroin, pills, coke and methadone...sometimes all 4 but always atleast 1) and his undiagnosed leukemia. Yes...I am a Thunders fanatic :P RIP JOHN GENZALE aka JOHNNY THUNDERS.

[@nothx962]

I still gave your comment a thumbs up too ;) Cheers! Wish there was more clarification and less rumors about his death. Too Much Junkie Business for us ever to know the truth. I think it was just advanced leukemia due to the non lethal levels of drugs, and then Dee Dee Ramone and all the street people in NOLA made it messy with all of their stories...but I could be wrong. I hope he didnt meet foul play and his room was just ransacked after he died naturally, that it wasnt a robbery/murder or a robbery that caused fatal wd seizures...and I hope he wasnt scared or feeling any pain. But it does have some strange vibe to it (that he was dead within a day of arriving in NOLA, the missing stuff, and the sounds people heard the night before sounding like a brawl or he was trashing the room).

[@j0eX]

@@nothx962 I would hardly call Jerry a PO'S compared to some of the other cats around then. He could be very charming, and Johnny could be a jerk. I did not know them well, just enough to chat at parties and um, other places.

[@robhalfordramone4255]

@@j0eX who are you my friend?

[@j0eX]

@@robhalfordramone4255 I used to hang at Club 57 a lot. Played in some punk bands. Went out with Lee Marie from Scab. Do we know each other?

[@lukpaard]

top!! and pure from the heart & soul just as johnny is (forever)

[@sunsun9918]

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[@mikaelekstrom4333]

Miss him

[@davidschlessinger9945]

this kicks ass

[@federicopetru4977]

Grande Johnny

[@marceloaraujo8728]

GRANDE.

[@jellobiafra4660]

I remember blasting this whopper hit on the way to work I-70 to Baltimore or I-270 to Wash.DC...yes leaving Frederick.The traffic was insane both ways!

[@sunsun9918]

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[@bigmazinthedesert]

Good man

[@NDWoj]

All together again.....rock on JT.

[@davidecolone1445]

Vai John Genzale ! Sei il meglio!!!

[@sunsun9918]

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[@DarkLight-oz4jc]

RIP Henri Paul. May he fly away with his bro John 🎸❤️

[@salvattorebeteta7096]

RIP Henri Paul, rest in rock n roll! I'm sure he's jamming wirh Johnny in the afterlife

[@pablocasstro]

El mejor guitarrista del estilo

[@rickjamesspliff406]

goJOHNnYgo!!!

[@Rather_Be_Hated]

Pure gold.

[@tomslick2058]

Hes playing a single cut here.

[@AlmostReady504]

Like "New York Groove" & "2000 Man" I always wondered why Ace Frehley never covered this song. Perfect for him. No Doubt would have been somewhat of a hit for him bc he's "Ace from Kiss"

[@Dsweet93]

Wow seeing fireworks at a concert is pretty nerve racking if you're from Rhode Island.

[@lucasjkr1]

I'm not from Rhode Island, but I remember what you're talking about... Very sad.

[@jackflint9336]

fabulous

[@suzannepapakonstantinou5370]

❤

[@maribelmn6021]

!!GRANDE,GRANDE..THUNDERS!!! Sabéis quien le influyo más y supo lo que queria hacer?..tocar la guitarra!!

[@MrVinikov]

The best

[@daverichards9331]

New to me thanks much

[@ricardo25891263]

awesome thanks for the post

[@チャシズチャシズ]

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[@ifeelallright]

NICE

[@salvattorebeteta7096]

To everyone asking, I believe that's Buddy Bowsa, Jerry's best friend, on drums.

[@richardleeuwenburg9093]

It's not Buddy Bowser, Buddy Bowser wasn't even a drummer, he played saxophene. It's Tony St. Helene on drums

[@potatofry1237]

I said hit it

[@moondusk8385]

He looked great here... must of been the period he was clean from heroin... just a damn shame we lost him so cruelly

[@nattyboyo2404]

Moon Dusk83 Glad to see someone else enjoying the late, great and inimitable JT today...

[@sashamoody1708]

Looked great he’s got heroin pouring out of his face

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

Never seen his pupils so dilated.

[@ifeelallright]

Spliff brothers

[@cassdarlon7253]

Saw him at the Whisky in LA a year after this and he was so strung out on junk the show almost didn't happen. He finally got on stage about an hour late and they only did about 6 songs and left. really disappointing. Plus, the performance was truly bad. he was stumbling around and could hardly play.

[@Tuning_Spork]

The name of this song is "Born Too Loose". "Born to Lose" was a hit by Ray Charles.

[@PatrickA-m1z]

There’s a couple of Born to lose..! Motorhead made a song called that, a quie common ”quote” in rock n roll..! ✌️

[@noahbody5609]

What's with the smoke bombs ???

[@stefantaxi7030]

Too fast.. but very Good. Nice solo. R.i.p. Johnny

[@sunsun9918]

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[@skipwaldent8465]

It's cool, the fast version !

[@pinanti]

Sad

[@juandelossantos3074]

Skate 3 born To lose

[@williamkoepke6108]

Thanks god Henri's there to back his friend, Rock n Roller he is true to the tune...i always hated this rhythm section..

[@frontbum420]

Who's in this rhythm section?

[@sunsun9918]

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[@salvattorebeteta7096]

RIP Henri Paul, never got to write his book but told so many fans his story, including me... Sweet guy. I'm sure he's jamming with Johnny in heaven.

[@RavnerRavner]

He looks like Arthur Fleck here...

[@hyperskees9234]

best he ever looked,,Def,on methadone ,,eyes wide open

[@IsaiahMoore04]

😥

[@thureintun1687]

@Anderson Cooper yah, i never been like this sweety while on methadone . Maybe he was like one of those hard headed junkies who never take methadone with care. Like methadone registered, but still hitting junk once a week or more. I never like that kinda person tbh But whos to judge right

[@sirpizza2044]

Why are his eyes so sad

[@marquettegloves9907]

You answered your own question.

[@francescopresciutti7673]

Only Jerry nolan was perfect drummer for johnny

[@EmilioVargas-ln4qd]

La anntonella

[@Slammerworm1]

Too fast; lost all its swagger...

[@andchat6241]

Yeah ...Ramones..& later 80s Iggy was same , no groove

[@sunsun9918]

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[@salvattorebeteta7096]

"Too fast to live, too young to die"...

[@tomslick2058]

He just was drugged out way to much.but he could write good songs. Don't think I ever seen him play straight.

[@jerrymerritt5698]

Could the rest of the band besides Henri Paul Tortosa and Johnny even play an instrument?

[@thureintun1687]

I think he's on withdrawal, with that sweat amount

[@nothx962]

The stage lights plus fireworks and opiates could easily produce it too. Its either one or the other.

[@AlmostReady504]

Every artist and the 80s thought the thing to do was play their songs fast as fuck. From Kiss to The Rolling Stones. Kind of loses all of its heart and soul with no Groove

[@jessiecantor4299]

"Every artist"? Hmm....That's a generalization. The Rolling Stones, yes, definitely. They had been doing that since the mid-late 1970's to out punk the Punk rockers. They didn't really succeed. But not every artist. The Cars didn't. New Wave bands didn't. Most bands started doing that crap in the 90s.

[@sirpizza2044]

Dude they only play there songs fast live because they are nervous

[@sunsun9918]

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[@ericdavid199]

he's got Shane Mcgowan teeth

[@simoncloake8051]

Cocaine

[@Grimba86]

@@simoncloake8051 more like golden brown methinks

[@doolally1478]

His eyes look really weird.

[@bromosome8049]

He's either really high or going through bad withdrawal

[@nothx962]

Well if his pupils were the size of a needle point he was high...if they were the size of dimes, he was WDing...but with his dark brown eyes its hard to tell. The sweat could be from either lol.

[@francescopresciutti7673]

Drummer are very bad.

[@jamesy1955]

Crap! 🤔😏😂😂😂

[@brouu9000]

horrible

[@marjavanlankeren6976]

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