Johnny vs. Kirby and the Forgotten Land

[@SomecallmeJohnny]

Seeing a bit of discourse concerning what's shown in the video. I said I wasn't spoiling the end bit, and it's true, the final boss (and true final boss) and end scene aren't shown. Boss recolors and King Dedede aren't spoilers, that's standard Kirby affair, guys, and some of you are only making it worst by pointing out things yourselves in the comments lol. Newbies watching this have little to no context for anything shown here, so don't...give them context! 😅 But next time, just to avoid the headache, I'll use better discretion.

[@SomecallmeJohnny]

Yeah I favorited my own comment. And I'll do it again!

[@JuanVargas-ow7cc]

@@SomecallmeJohnny all good John people can be bitches no worries

[@DirectorOfChaos9292]

Kirby is HAL labs NOT NINTENDO

[@RikuoTanaka]

Eh, fair enough. I still love hearing your thoughts on this game.

[@ghostwarmen]

@@DirectorOfChaos9292 no one cares

[@bandicootsauce4569]

Don't mix up the rings at that wedding, Johnny; you never know when a friend may call you needing a means to escape an avalanche.

[@robertkovarna8294]

I see that Sonic reference there.

[@forTehMemes]

Wrong review 😂

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

I bet it's Elliot who's getting married

[@shadow64dd]

@@BlackangelKatakuri correct

[@JennyBlaze253]

@@shadow64dd Oh damn, Elliot's getting married?!

[@brandontherabboat4850]

_An orange butterfly flutters past._ Normal people: "Wow, a butterfly!" Kirby fans: *That is the herald of judgement day seeking its next host to manifest itself in, and by its sword will all the unworthy be purged from this life*

[@JJ_R]

*[Butterfly lands on a person]* Person A: “Ooh, that tickles.” Person B: “I will mourn for you…”

[@georgecortes3416]

Bandana Dee: Okay Kirby, this is a very delicate situation that must be treated with great care and sensitivity! Kirby: Gotcha! Kirby & Bandana Dee: RUN! EVERYBODY RUN!! MORPHO!!! *Everyone in Waddle Dee Town gets into a frenzied panic*

[@CharlesUrban]

"Because...nobody _ever_ suspects the _butterfly."_ -Bart Simpson

[@yourself1210]

This is what Kirby fans see kzbin.info/www/bejne/mneWp6SrmNGfn5I

[@lucasparadox6823]

Legitimate Reaction I heard on a random Livestream that was probably Jarring for newcomers to the series " *Orange Butterfly floating into the building* NO... NO, NOT AGAIN!!"

[@OffAirProductions]

On the note of "what took them so long to go 3D", official interviews with the devs state that they didn't want to go 3D until they were confident that they could do Kirby justice in 3D. So yeah, your assumption is pretty much on-point.

[@metashade4218]

From what I read from developer interviews with this game, one of the main reasons why it took HAL so long to make a full on 3D Kirby game was because they had a hard time telling where Kirby was facing due to his round body figure, along with them having a hard time translating Kirby's star spitting ability into 3D. I recommend reading their developer interviews with this game, it's actually quite fascinating in how much HAL struggled in putting Kirby into 3D & polishing its gameplay. Despite the struggles HAL had, it finally paid off since they really did a phenomenal job transitioning the classic tried & true Kirby gameplay into 3D. (Editor's note: I had to retype all this info again because some asshole deleted the previous comment I had of this by marking it as spammed...)

[@thewolfgabe3656]

I read the interviews myself and I can't help but find the idea of dynamic hitboxes that are based on player perspective genius

[@AsecasJavi]

It was only 1 thing to have into sccount

[@mattb6522]

Yeah, I had heard the same thing. HAL had wanted to drop Kirby in 3D previously, but they had many development struggles. They even said Forgotten Land was a challenge to create, but I think they did an excellent job. I'm glad Kirby made the transition to 3D successfully! Kudos to HAL!

[@Yirggzmb]

I really feel like all the work HAL put in making it feel good was really worth it. It's really solid and fun, and you can tell they poured a lot polishing into it. I'm genuinely AWFUL at this genre of game, and this game was the first one where I find myself looking forward to playing it rather than feeling like I "ought to" and then getting mad at it.

[@BananaReidy]

Man Ik thr feeling, I made comments that were suggestion to a youtube only for a mule of a person to mark it as spam. 😮‍💨

[@browserjunior4707]

Ah yes, Kirby and the Forgotten Land: the game that reminds us all that man-made horrors involving skin stretching can indeed be made cuter and less disgusting in concept if you have Kirby do it

[@Hamlock_]

Ah yes, the comment that starts with "Ah yes," and continues to overexaggerate in a poor attempt to sound funny.

[@kennethlasseter9264]

@@Hamlock_ In case you get slammed with derision, I did give you a thumbs up because I agree with you. Good Luck!

[@agreedboarart3188]

I think it's still horrifying.

[@agreedboarart3188]

@@Hamlock_ It's a tired and unfunny cliche. Glad to see a fellow grouch in the comments. 😈

[@Gamesmarts194]

@@Hamlock_ inb4 this reply gets more likes than the original comment inb4 my inb4 gets another inb4 attached to it other than this one (and subsequently people pointing out the pointing out)

[@Scouthedog1]

9:23 Are you telling me I just played through the entire game not knowing the Dodge role existed

[@Marku912]

You poor bastard. Please tell me you didn't do the Forgo Dimension and God forbid, the Ultimate Arena without it....

[@jokx4409]

How did you manage to NOT notice it?

[@Lunatic89097]

@@Marku912 ESPECIALLY Ultimate Arena Z.

[@pattongilbert]

HOW

[@Echolovania]

@@Marku912 I did, beat it first go.

[@Japancommercials4U2]

And here we are!

[@RikuoTanaka]

😱😱😱

[@Luigis_Menace]

Was genuinely not expecting this review, but I am absolutely happy.

[@SuperDanMan11100]

I am just a bit surprised to see him review a game that just recently came out.

[@IronBlaze77]

Right? I thought there’d be a second Kirby marathon before we’d get a review of _Forgotten Land._ EDIT: changed “need” to “be.”

[@jtothepmoreno1010]

@@IronBlaze77 as nice as this is, I really do wish he had covered Return to dreamland to Star Allies before jumping into forgotten land… feels kinda off in terms of order? Considering those games set the standard of Modern Kirby

[@IronBlaze77]

@@jtothepmoreno1010 Yeah, I see what you’re saying. I think the video would benefit from having the context and knowledge of _Return to Dream Land_ to _Star Allies_ to better appreciate _Forgotten Land,_ as well as noticing its similarities and differences from past games.

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

12:11 That's kind of underselling these levels if I'm honest, especially since this game's appeal is also going on much more experimental level tropes compared to the very vanilla ones Star Allies had, which was a letdown when that game came out Also I know the script was probably very quick paced as a way of relaxation between a stressful month, but it's HAL Labs the ones that develop and conceptualize Kirby, not Nintendo, since that's kind of like brushing something like... Fire Emblem or Pokémon as just Nintendo instead of Intelligent Systems or Game Freak Mainly bringing this up since it's on HAL's team the ones that kept Kirby as 2D for most of his career, not really Nintendo the one that was taking them long to make the jump

[@robertlauncher]

“One of the more simplistic games to translate to 3D” in theory yeah, but there are definitely things to consider that I imagine took time to work out. How much do you limit the float without making it worthless or overpowered in a 3D space? Should inhaling be autoaimed or need manual aiming? How should the camera work in a game that’s both an action platformer and a 3D fighting like game? How do you balance the powers for the new space?

[@Megaman.ExE7]

Good points there. Also more intricate things, like apparently any hit in the game will register, as long as you can physically see it from the cameras point of view; It will register a hit

[@Yirggzmb]

One of the things they mentioned in the interviews is that it was surprisingly hard to tell where Kirby was facing because he's, well, perfectly round. So that's another thing they had to take into consideration and work around

[@robertlauncher]

@@Yirggzmb Yeah and there’s something I never would’ve considered until development actually began and I’m like “Oh.” Like I said, only simple in theory

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

For most to say it's "just" standard Kirby in 3D, I think it's a marvelous accomplishment by HAL since they made the jump to 3D as minimal a barrier as possible; THEY took the pains to bend the physics/rules/collision detection just to make the game a teensy bit more polished and the end result is something that simply feels good to play

[@V-Jes]

What would be impressive if they did that like 20 years ago like everyone else did too...

[@metashade4218]

@@V-Jes if you read HAL's development interview with the game, you'll realize that making a 3D Kirby game isn't as easy as putting Mario & Sonic in a 3D environment & then calling it a day...

[@V-Jes]

@@metashade4218 aand if you read anything about game development in general they also say it's not easy, so pretending like Kirby is a special case when it comes to putting it in 3D is nothing but BS, especially when comparing it to putting someone like Sonic in 3D who's speed makes game development lot harder regardless what D it's in yet Sonic team succeeded in putting Sonic in 3D in the 90s...

[@metashade4218]

@@V-Jes Oh I've read developers stories of Mario 64 & especially Sonic Adventure, & honestly I'd argue HAL had a more difficult time translating Kirby's gameplay into 3D than Nintendo did with Mario & Sonic Team did with Sonic, seeing as they stumbled upon countless amounts of obstacles for over 2 decades in perfectly translating Kirby's gameplay into 3D, such as having a hard time telling where Kirby was facing in 3D due to his round body figure, figuring out how Kirby's star exhaling ability, large number of copy abilities & movesets can work in 3D, how levels are going to be designed around Kirby's large number of copy abilities & movesets, etc. If it was so easy to make a 3D Kirby game nowadays, dedicated fans would've made a 3D Kirby game themselves long before HAL did with Forgotten Land, even with Nintendo's BS copyright strikes & especially given with all the tools & technology fans have in making a 3D Kirby game themselves.

[@V-Jes]

@@metashade4218 yyeah your argument about kirby being harder to put into 3D just became even more BS when you say it was harder than bringing Mario to 3D who had no blueprint how to make 3D platformers and had to completely overhaul how levels while all Kirby did overall is just tale the already existing abilities and gameplay mechanics and combined it with the more linear type of 3D platforming Crash has used since the 90s as well, not to mention using lack of 3D fangames doesn't proof anything when even Pokémon lacks 3D fan games and Pokémon is the largest franchise in the world...

[@NicoTheCinderace]

"THAT'S A HUGE BITCH!" I loved that in the review.

[@GooBomber1]

>Says "no spoilers in this video" >Casually shows the FUCKING MORPHO KNIGHT SWORD ABILITY AT 5:50

[@RikuoTanaka]

Eh, give him some slack. The dude's probably so unfamiliar with Kirby lore that the sight of a butterfly won't make him flinch.

[@xscythe67]

Tbf it was in SKC already

[@beemthesailor]

Just letting you know john since you kept mentioning Nintendo in this vid, Hal laboratory are entirely responsible for the development of the Kirby series, Nintendo are only responsible for publishing the games, not development.

[@JaidynReiman]

While that's true, Nintendo does own the IP. A lot of people have this misconception that Nintendo can do whatever they want with their IP and so a 3D Kirby should have happened by now. The problem is they don't understand it's not about what Nintendo can do. It's about what they will do. And Nintendo almost always leaves these things up to the original developers. They don't tell other companies what to make (they can't anyway, they can only say "yes" or "no" to specific projects if Nintendo is publishing the game), though sometimes they do make requests. Basically even though Nintendo CAN do something, they won't do it if someone else created a franchise and especially if said company is still willing to work on it.

[@memedwin1438]

@@JaidynReiman pretty sure Hal co-owns Kirby alongside Nintendo. Hence thr Nintendo/Hal copyrights I'm each game.

[@joshuawilloughby2696]

It's the same thing when people mention Pokemon. Game freak is the developer but people always talk as of Nintendo is making the games.

[@benitosierrajr3958]

@@joshuawilloughby2696 but I will give Kirby more credit than Pokémon because unlike Pokémon, Kirby actually has Latin American Spanish localizations in both his home console and handheld games since Epic Yarn, something that Pokémon is severely lacking (Mobile doesn’t count)

[@DanielOduvwu-oo8zi]

The thing is that HAL isn't really a popular company so not all people know hal that much.

[@nickjoffe8433]

The awoofys sold me on this game. They're just so damn cute.

[@vicctretamaj]

HAL Labs really made something special for Kirby’s first 3D adventure, and I personally think it stands out as more than just standard Kirby, it’s a step forward, and I can’t wait for future titles to refine this even more

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@vicctretamaj ?

[@sontho6995]

@@vicctretamaj Ignore him, I've seen him make these comments before.

[@MrDjWalnut]

8:35 Oddly enough ice was one of the abilities I used the most often because it has an actual shield guard and its freezing effect completely destroys bosses. It probably felt slower because they actually removed the spinning aerial move it used to have and I do really hate that. Drill actually also does massive damage to bosses if you just circle around them continuously with the -paraloop- quake move

[@anonafiao1692]

Ice’s perfect shield has one weakness, fire. And by god I think that there are at least 3 bosses dead set on making you lose ice.

[@DDDorsett]

Ice is pretty weak It doesn't become useful (outside of certain scenarios) until its final upgrade

[@MrDjWalnut]

@@DDDorsett Well yeah that's when I started using it way more lol

[@najibosman6497]

The removal of the spinning aerial move was what made me dislike this ability it just feels so incomplete without it

[@YasugoLiehu]

10:39 "More _recent_ outings" John said, referring to games that are 8 and 6 years old, respectively.

[@randomperson2797]

Another thing I really liked here was the level designs, most of them felt like real locations and (especially in the carnival and desert worlds) the designs of consecutive levels combined with their overworld positions made the game feel like one grand trek across the land

[@Epsilonsama]

Multiple reviewers yourself included mentioned Nintendo multiple times but Nintendo is NOT Kirby developer but simply a publisher. HAL Labs are the devs of Kirby and they never felt comfortable releasing a 3D Kirby game until now. They simply had a limited budget so for many years they made most of their games on portable devices which 2D games made more sense.

[@BugsyFoga]

Who would’ve guessed it took over 2 decades to see finally see Kirby getting a proper 3D entry.

[@frankieseward8667]

3 decades.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

To quote Meta Shade: "From what I read from developer interviews with this game, one of the main reasons why it took HAL so long to make a full on 3D Kirby game was because they had a hard time telling where Kirby was facing in 3D due to his round body figure, along with them having a hard time translating Kirby's Star spitting ability into 3D. I recommend reading their developer interviews with the game, it's actually quite fascinating in how much HAL struggled in putting Kirby into 3D & polishing its gameplay. Despite the struggles they had, it finally paid off because this game really does a phenomenal job transitioning the tried & true classic Kirby gameplay into 3D."

[@metashade4218]

@@NicoTheCinderace Thanks for copying this. My comment got deleted because some asshat marked it as spam for some reason.

[@russellbrown6888]

@@frankieseward8667 I think they mean that we got a taste of 3d Kirby with Air Ride in the early 2000s, but never committed to it until almost 20 years later. 30 years ago the best representations of 3d we had were Wolfenstein and Starfox.

[@selder_7]

Brilliant evolution of the series and exactly what was needed after star allies. Interested to see what they build on this foundation

[@shawnawsomegaming8951]

So true

[@AsecasJavi]

Yes really, level design akin to robobot and nothing else lol I love that it's in 3d but the only problem with star allies was level design. The rest is godlike. Amount of characters with their own movesets, bosses, has the best/most difficult arena

[@TysonOfTime]

@@AsecasJavi I think the core design of having 4 characters at all times even in single player was the issue. It led to the uninspired level design and for bosses to iften become unreadable yet trivial. It's definitely saved by the fanservice and DLC, but playing it again recently its definitely my least favorite of the modern games.

[@AsecasJavi]

@@TysonOfTime I agree, I just don't play the main mode. Playing the side ones is more fun. And as you said heroes in another dimension and characters make it like no other. As a package it isn't as good as robobot or forgotten land, but it's damn impossible to find another game with those final bosses and battles. It's irreplaceable. The only "lacking" thing in forgotten land is bossesand abilities imo. It's not even a flaw since I don't feel bored of any ability or boss it's super well balanced, it's just that we come from a game with a thousand lol

[@alextownley9388]

At 27 years old this was actually my first & only Kirby game, so I absolutely love it

[@AuraMasterUmi]

This is probably the most unexpected review as I did not expect a Kirby review for a few years, but hey, lets go!

[@train4292]

Crazy how not only The completionist uploaded a Kirby video, but John does as well? Great day for the pink puffball huh?

[@thetrophygamer3606]

Antdude also released his Kirby video not to long ago. Kirby getting all the love

[@John-bj1zx]

@@thetrophygamer3606 Antdude's was a phenomonal video on Kirby.

[@smashmaster521]

@@John-bj1zx "What the [POYO] is this franchise?" AntDude, 2022

[@slashingkatie7872]

Thank God! I thought I was the only one who kept hearing the Perfect Strangers theme in my head!!

[@DoctorTex]

"How is it going from wood to a toy an upgrade?" Three words Johnny. Rapid. Fire. Hammer.

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

It brings me true joy that Kirby is finally mainstream, I was scarred as a child, now all the children can be scarred for life by the creepy final levels!

[@bluemidnight5926]

Kirby games are just about as mainstream as Metroid games are.

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

@@bluemidnight5926 I was referring to forgotten land in particular, its doing Mario numbers in the sales.

[@bluemidnight5926]

@@EnigmaticGentleman that's awesome. Seems like it deserves it.

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

Same, Star Allies ended up selling the series as too vanilla for most non-fans despite the good sales, so seeing Forgotten Land get much more attention from more sides of the fandom was awesome

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

@@kirbyofthestarsfan I see what they were trying to do with Star Allies (Return to dreamland 2.0), but it was just the worst possible time to release it, back when many Nintendo franchises were completely reinventing themselves. Also it should've been 40$, i still enjoyed it but its far from the puffballs best. It did have the best final boss in the history of the series (yes, better than C-R-O-W-N-E-D, Ultimate Life Form IDF-86, and Star Dream Soul OS), as well as the best final level lore dump, i will fight to the death on that.

[@ty_sylicus]

This Kirby game is utterly BRILLIANT.

[@megasoniczxx]

You really wouldn't believe this is their first fully 3D traditional Kirby game playing this. Everything here feels like such a natural transition of Kirby's design that you'd swear they were doing this for years. Also, the difficulty curve in this game is probably the best since return to dreamland imo. It feels like a good progression of difficulty without necessarily having to put restrictions on yourself like the last few games.

[@eh9618]

9:22 "But Kirby can also do a dodge roll that with good timing can not only trigger bayonetta's witch time essentially, but you can then follow up with an incredibly damaging counter attack" Perfect dodging rewards you with a damaging counter attack? Just like resident evil 3 remake!

[@spacepope8495]

I love how there’s like 3+ versions of the intro song, and each one has just an insane 5 second solo in the middle

[@Tyuzinhuh]

Oh wow, didn't expect this so soon. I was wagering on Johnny only covering this game on a second Kirby Marathon, but here we go! I absolute adore this game, it kicked my Kirby hype full stop so much that I've just replayed Super Star Ultra and Triple Deluxe fully, and now I'm doing the same with Planet Robobot. It's just so good. BTW Johnny, if you are curious about the whole "why did it take so long to make the jump to 3d?". There's actually a developer interview about Forgotten Land with BUTTLOAD of details of how they experimented and tried to make Kirby work in 3d... And it's really a lot more complex than it seems. It's really interesting stuff!

[@sontho6995]

This is a surprise, really thought he was gonna come back with return to dreamland.

[@skullythekidd0175]

Same

[@Marku912]

Forgotten Land was probably too good for him to ignore.

[@sontho6995]

@@Marku912 Just finished watching it, picked because it was the lastest & wanted a cozy mood, Kirby does that.

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

So.... we're gonna get another case where he plays the later more polished game very early on and leave the following entries more unimpressive... (Playing the 2008 game before Dream Land 3 onwards) I'm not looking forward to the second marathon seeing this is the case again

[@sontho6995]

@@kirbyofthestarsfan He's played all of the later games at this point, so it shouldn't be bad.

[@Magic_Ice]

The Kirby marathon is back on?? Unfortunately not but I can’t wait until he gets to Triple Deluxe and Robobot.

[@amphicyon4359]

I think HAL put a lot of effort into making Forgotten Land as smooth a transition as possible. Not hard to imagine an earlier Kirby game that had issues with copy abilities or movement feeling clunky or limited in a 3d space, but even how the camera interacts with attacks all work together to make the game feel as seamless as possible

[@MrGojira95]

Kirby and the Forgotten Land is the Mario 64 of Kirby games. And much like Mario 64, Kirby’s first 3D adventure had to make an amazing first impression.

[@jaretco6423]

Except I don't think Kirby & Forgotten Land has many sloppy design or will be as dated as Mario 64.

[@DataDrain02]

11:36 SAME! I really wish they would have added a restart button for bosses.... Random yet somewhat related fun fact, though. If you play co-op. These conditions don't care if Bandana Dee takes damage. It only counts if Kirby takes damage. Found that out when playing in co-op mode.

[@vincentsissom4180]

This is the first 3d platformer that I finished. Easily one of the best in the franchise. Now, time for Kirby to do a proper RPG.

[@tastethepainbow]

I can honestly imagine Kirby having a gameplay style similar to the Tales games

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

YES the party besides the puff himself should be meta knight king dedede bandana dee adaline suzie Gooie Rick and a new friend

[@Future_Vantas]

@@demi-fiendoftime3825 Throw in Genos and Mallow. If Mario will not use them then Kirby will.

[@JBX9001]

That’d be interesting, but they apparently can’t use Mallow and Geno due to Square owning the rights to them. Which is dumb since they obviously won’t be putting those two in any Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest games, but hey, it be that way sometimes...

[@islandboy9381]

Planet Robot still the best in the franchise in terms of variety in the gameplay, amount of abilities and music, but this one is a solid first step into 3D and I hope it can be expanded from now.

[@TRG_R17]

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[@TheBrokenMadMan]

We are living in the era of *6* Johnny videos in a month...what a time to be alive.

[@Need_RnR]

"What a *T I M E* to be A l iiiiiiiiiiiiii v Eeeeeeeeee EEeeeeeeeeeEeeeeeeee ......." 😃😃😃😃😃 😂😂😂😂 😄😄😄 😛😛😛

[@theshadowdirector]

The level themes might sound basic on paper but the added layer of 'post-apocalyptic earth' really does make then feel new. Bit to mention how bespoke every level feels, like real (once) living places. I'll take a shorter main campaign if every level is memorable.

[@kadosho02]

Absolutely love this game. The level design, soundtrack, controls, abilities. So so good

[@Danominator]

So glad you joined us for the beginning of this new era of Kirby! He really feels right at home in this new dimension and I hope you're excited for the future as I am!

[@CreamCityEric]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who, when the main part of the melody plays, thought in my head, "Standing tall!"

[@Mcorax88]

A wedding huh? Well tell Sabrina and Elliott congrats!

[@fedoraking3611]

6:08 I'm glad Johnny appreciates the desert worlds name as much as I do.

[@ratedr7845]

Is it a pun or something?

[@fedoraking3611]

Yes. Original. Like this is an "original" name for a desert area.

[@ericw48]

Halfway through the video, I started singing "Standing tall...on the wings of my dreams!". Thanks for explaining why, lol.

[@jesusmedina6751]

Kirby and the forgotten land is what megaman x7 could have done correctly? The graphics, the hit detection, the gameplay. Everything is done real well

[@CrazyPartyable]

Kirby and the Forgotten Land. The game that shows you how big things can even get BIGGER!

[@toonzach2870]

I'll admit, wasn't expecting this one.

[@gallantblade1825]

There have been interviews about Kirby in 3D. Part of it was Kirby’s round design making it harder for the player to tell which direction Kirby was facing. Then, it was how the inhale and spit mechanic would work in 3D. Games like Blowout Blast were essentially testing the waters for this game. Then it was how physics would work. Interview found here: www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2022/ask-the-developer-vol-4-kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-part-1/

[@Bluedino152]

Didn't expect this so soon 12:40 I'M SO GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THAT I blame your free riders review

[@michaelquintana2590]

I caught that; Johnny said “Screw it, I’m upgrading the OP sword to max level and annihilating the True Arena.”

[@WeskAlber]

I actually 100% this last night! I LOVED it. it was such an amazing time and I am so glad this came

[@johnhoftb]

Freeze in this game will freeze an enemy after a while and will do major damage after they shatter. Alongside the perfect defense, it can cheese bosses.

[@JaidynReiman]

Until I got the post game weapons I just spammed Ice as much as possible. I easily got all the no damage missions using ice.

[@DirectorOfChaos9292]

Freeze did fck all against chaos elfilis. Pull the other one ok

[@CharlesUrban]

Kirby: (Wields two hammers at once.) Salvador: I approve!

[@MythicMachina]

"Finally, Kirby in 3D." "What did it cost?" "Pause Screen Memos."

[@skydiamsteam6005]

Now in Gacha form!

[@MythicMachina]

@@skydiamsteam6005 I'm don't mind that personally. What I don't like is how they gutted the movesets. Really feel like the game should still tell you what you can do with your abilities, even if it was in the weapon shop or something.

[@thewolfgabe3656]

@@MythicMachina Stripping back movesets was likely a necessary compromise since some moves probably wouldn't work as well in a 3D space

[@MythicMachina]

@@thewolfgabe3656 That's not what I meant. I meant that we can no longer see what abilities do on the pause screen. That's been a thing since like... Super Star.

[@vineheart01]

Kirby is the only gaming icon of the old 8bit era that somehow has never gotten a true 3D game and yet is also still getting games in general. That i can think of anyway. Even Megaman, while not directly as it was a spinoff thing, delved into 3D at some point.

[@NanaKyoto]

The linear design of the levels for this game was the right call, as while this may be the first mainline Kirby game in 3D, they needed to take it one step at a time, so perhaps the next time we get a 3D Kirby game, the environments will be much more expansive for exploration. And so far, I've been enjoying my time with the game, as I haven't played another Kirby game since Planet Robobot (which I really should get around to completing after not playing it for a few years), but with the success Forgotten Land is seeing currently, the future of seeing more 3D Kirby games looks promising.

[@Da_ComputerMonster]

*Looking at the prices for Robobot on Ebay* _Scalpers...should be _*_SCALPED..._*

[@NanaKyoto]

@@Da_ComputerMonster I got my copy of Planet Robobot back when it was still considered a new release.

[@neosonic199]

I really enjoyed this game, seeing Kirby’s first jump into the 3D was phenomenal. We got to see the Tornado Copy Ability make its return and the Sleep ability has an actual use (once you’ve acquired the blueprint). The beast pack were fair, my favorites being Grimondo and Clawroline. Kind DeDeDe, Bonkers, and Mr. Frosty’s beast pack design was sick. The evolved Copy Abilities were a nice touch, changing the design and properties of said ability, some of which are nods to Copy Abilities that weren’t added into the game (e.g. Space Ranger utilizing the power of the Spark/Plasma ability). My personal favorite mouthful ability is the roller coaster. The car mode acted as the Wheel Copy Ability.

[@MozillaVulpix]

"Someone in the team really liked Resident Evil 2". I haven't played Kirby yet, does this mean there's zombies or something like that? I couldn't handle a lot of the horror lore in RE2 very well, I dunno if I want to be creeped out again if Kirby hits those same notes.

[@monadoguy7807]

Not at all

[@michaelschwartz8730]

Take it from someone who just spent a month in the most unfriendly, challenging open world ever: sometimes super-linear weaponized adorableness for babies is just what the doctor ordered

[@SoranotRoxas]

I love that everyone is playing and completing this Kirby game now. It's the best in the series for sure.

[@ryusoulger9127]

I know the devs actually touched on why it took so long and it was actually a fascinating read, I recommend looking up the interview that the devs gave because there's more to it surprisingly. I think adapting the well established 2D formula just wasn't as easy as it sounded and some of the changes they made to Kirby and the ablilities he uses show that.

[@NurseValentineSG]

The saddest thing about forgotten lands is that it has better star fox sections than star fox zero. And I wish I was kidding, I absolutely loved the air gliding sections in forgotten lands.

[@VOAN]

Kirby and the Forgotten Land is Balan Wonderworld done right.

[@alphonsejohnson5601]

Although there was not a single bad kirby game in the franchise,(star allies was a very good game too, it's just that it was a little too easy). This is the best one ever!!

[@TransformersGuy1991]

So is Super Mario 3D World

[@aliasv6964]

I had the absolute joy of getting to play this with my nephew. Bandanana Dee I felt was clearly worse and I would have prefferred a kirby of diff colour. Still was a joy and seeing my nephew face light up made me feel young again.

[@LoneOtaku158]

"And here we are!"

[@tonysonic456]

Kirby and the Forgotten Land is my new favorite Kirby game simply because I've always imagined what Kirby would be like in 3D. Now I have it, and I love it.

[@Mojo1356]

As for the game, I honestly never found backtracking to be an issue because unlike Crash, Kirby has some degree of camera panning control. Not to mention that Kirby moves slower and has a smaller hitbox than Crash. Otherwise, I more or less agree with everything you said.

[@raziyatheseeker]

Also, Kirby has a health meter. Crash dies in one hit without his mask buddy. Smacking into an obstacle or enemy would be less punishing.

[@Mojo1356]

@@raziyatheseeker not to mention that bottomless pits means nothing to Kirby unless you just float over them too long in this game. Even then, bottomless pits are no longer instant kills on Kirby.

[@MythicMachina]

Even though this game is still pretty standard Kirby, it does it so damn well that it's feeld like Kirby had always been in 3D. Also, This game is so fucking cute Elfilin is one of the cutest things I have ever seen from a Kirby game, and I want a plushie of him NOW. And sure, they removed the kiss... but Kirby and Waddle Dee spoon! This game made me squeal of delight, and i'm an adult guy! (Ignoring that I have a weakness to like this.)

[@ErrorMessage]

Picked this up day one and loved it. Glad to see your chill take on it!

[@connordarvall8482]

I've started to describe Kirby lore as "Adventure Time, but more subtle."

[@lordkaijux5262]

But still just as "dark."

[@tnlhunter97]

Bit of a heads up, the ice ability has a perfect guard. Meaning you take no damage from any attack, think leaf from triple deluxe.

[@lordkaijux5262]

With the cost of dodging though. The Ice guard is a nice addition but there's still an urge to instinctively avoid certain attacks.

[@tnlhunter97]

@@lordkaijux5262 maxed out ice has spikes on it’s guard so it does damage and freezes the enemies even when guarding

[@lordkaijux5262]

@@tnlhunter97 I think Needle functions primarily the same way right?

[@ZebitasMartinex]

Personally I feel the opposite with the drill power up God, the last one is so powerful on combat is almost broken to use

[@CurtIsTheSillo]

12:41 I thought I was the only one that heard it!

[@thezester3561]

“Someone really love RE 2” Yeah, that ending, there is a reason Pegi gave this a fear warning

[@luketerry3635]

And here we are

[@Castersvarog]

Wanna know an amazing cheese tactic for no hit runs for bosses? Ice and co-op. You’re invincible with the Ice abilities shield and with a buddy doing all the hard lifting it’s hilarious to just sit there and watch the boss do fuck all. Really, most challenges can be almost cheesed with no risk because Bandana dee is not affected by most challenges.

[@JJ_Animation86]

The no hit boss challenges and especially the ones that happen during mid levels were definitely a pain. One hit and you got to do it all over again. Just make sure you have a high upgraded powerup with you when doing those challenges.

[@SamuraiDon]

Slight correction on the video, Nintendo doesn't develops the Kirby games. That would be H.A.L Lab, with Nintendo just publishing the games. Personally, I enjoyed Forgotten Land, though collecting the Waddle Dee could have been better streamline as having to replays level does get tiring very quickly. My other criticism of the game is that forgotten land can be very obtuse at time as it does not do a good job in teaching the players the controls. I didn't know that Kirby could do a counter attack after dodging as the game never once taught me nor tell me.

[@VonFirflirch]

Unfortunately, the "having to beat a level to save collectibles" has been around since the Wii era... for some reason. The older games didn't do that.

[@Brawler1993]

What perfect timing. I reached 100% completion for this game earlier today. Absolutely loved this game and can't wait to see where they take the series next now that it's finally gone 3D.

[@Errox025]

Easily one of my Top 3 Kirby games along with Planet Robobot and Triple Deluxe. This game is amazing and a perfect transition into 3D for the little pink puffball Speaking of the amazing OST, can I just say the remix of King Dedede's theme in this game is just straight fire? ^^

[@videowatcher3297]

Johnny does not want to spoil the game. Also Johnny 5:50

[@PlatformChef]

Johnny: Especially with these gas prices, Ha! PlatformChef: Dang Johnny, it’s really bad around your area, I stay around Alabama and the Gas is around $4.10 for Regular, 4.30 for Special (or Plus) and about 4.65 for Superior.

[@Landmasters]

4:10 Same, I paused the game and put on the Crash 1 theme and it fit perfectly

[@kaoskirby3615]

Hope the trip and wedding goes well for you man. I also remember being so excited for this game and I feel like its great. I also can't wait for the ratchet and clank marathon since I have played the games in recent years and loved them.

[@kierenbuckley370]

I just think Nintendo didn't want to put in the extra money to make a 3D Kirby game all this time but finally budged and gave Hal the money to make a 3D Kirby

[@UDPlaythroughs1990]

The opening of the Forgotten Land is reminiscent of N Sanity Beach

[@Megaman.ExE7]

I'm probably just another person regurgitating this retortic. But the game is damn good. Tons of simple fun with no 'gimmick' outside of mouthful mode, which is never used without purpose and doesn't overstay it's welcome. Levels have tons of replayability due to Waddle Dees and Hidden Missions. Final Boss is sick. Game is cute as hell. I love and appreciate the work HAL put into this one and have to recommend this to ANY Switch owner

[@DoctorMinjinx]

This was exactly what the series needed imo. Couldn't really keep up with Kirby, despite liking the series back in the day. However, this game really did suck me back in (buh dum tss!)

[@ramonandrajo6348]

Piracy rules!

[@dominicmanzella5493]

If it makes you feel any better, despite the fact that so many commercial air companies suck for several reasons (I could seriously rant about this for hours...), air travel continues to be by far the safest method of travel. I hope your upcoming experience is better!

[@shaheer_04]

Just wanted to say that this is one of my all-time favorite channels. Been watching since 2014, keep up the good work boss.

[@MediaGhost_]

"IT'S THE DARK SOULS OF KIRBY GAMES!"

[@NYfan2004]

1:19 you might wanna update the copyright date in the intro there since it's 2022

[@clash7376]

Something about Johnny uploading makes me so innocently happy I swear it takes me back to middle school when I first started watching him.

[@SuperSonic-ui7od]

This has become one of my favorite games to play. I recently just completed this game a week ago 100% Kirby and The Forgotten Land is an amazing game from beginning to end!

[@red-havic9123]

Oooh, can’t wait on that Yugioh retrospective! Also, good to see you covering this too