Flying 3D WITHOUT Swash Stabilization?! Nobar Experiment w/ Stickmoves

[@brianreece785]

I started flying helis in 1988 so had to learn with no stabilization and a mechanical gyro. That's all we knew so we learned with what we had. Did a lot of crashing to say the least. You are an expert heli pilot and really enjoy watching you demonstrate and sharing your knowledge.

[@sganzerlag]

Yes but we had flybars then, in lieu of the electronic flybarless unit. What Jonas did here was quite a bit different from what we did back in the day. This was a modern flybarless rotorhead, meant for electronic flybar stabilization, being flown without this electronic flybar (and also without the mechanical flybar of yesteryear).

[@Planehazza]

You flew 100x better with the control loop off than I ever could with the best tuned system possible 😭

[@jamesdean8431]

lol

[@sganzerlag]

Honestly, I thought the heli would be way more difficult to fly than it turned out to be. I mean, our rotors are so rigid in flapping that I figured you absolutely had to have either a mechanical flybar to do the flapping for the main rotor, or an electronic flybar emulator, like a FBL unit. This video really blew my mind.

[@sganzerlag]

Dude this video was soooo enlightening!! Thank you so much for sharing it!! Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.

[@BlackPixxelDE]

Very cool, great flying! Next with no tail gyro :D

[@FlyingPolak]

Very interesting video and not the results I was expecting! Thanks for sharing!

[@Airbrushkid]

You guys now a days have it made easy for you. I grew before gyros came out. And then when the gyro came out I learn 3D. I still to this day can fly 3D with out a FBL

[@SkidzFPV]

When I started flying we had no stabilization, we had a flybar and a mechanical gyro.

[@microhelicopters2106]

I love rc helicopters, not many people are into this hobby. I really Appreciate you are still in this hobby. You have really nice helicopters my friend😉👍

[@Johnny31297]

Thank you very much! This hobby will stay with me until the day I die, not even a question 😊

[@gencosumer]

@@Johnny31297please design a 1s powered sub 60 grams micro.

[@jaydekaytv]

Great video - very cool demonstration and great skills.

[@radukapu]

Very interesting video 👏🏻 Thank you for sharing. And yes awesome flying as usual 👍🏻

[@aussiedigger1441]

Thanks for sharing..

[@galensk]

Very interesting test 👍🚁👍; thank you for sharing 👍

[@slp2538]

Amazing!!!

[@diamondt88]

Thanks and interesting, it is great!

[@RemedyTalon]

I actually expected it to be worse. I'm sure the size helps

[@DrLowRPM]

Super Video, cool erklärt und sehr informativ, Danke 👍

[@Rusty-Metal]

That was awesome!

[@razakmdesa]

you are to awesome bro💪🏻

[@richardmiddleton7770]

Now try with some wind! Haha. I guess it's similar to a flybarred heli with light paddles and no expo. The heavy FBL blades help a lot with the stability aswell.

[@Johnny31297]

The blades are RotorTech Ultimate which are spec'd to be as agile or more agile than old flybar blades, the biggest difference is that these are way stiffer.

[@Breiti]

Tough flight. Quite interesting what happened on higher head speed.

[@KevinMardirossian]

Wow great job on this video! Loved all of the examples and explanations. PS: I miss my 690

[@Johnny31297]

Thank you Kevin! Yeah the 690 is an amazing heli, I don't know how I could let it sit on the shelf for 2 years...

[@ramylems1895]

Hey Jonas, Ramy here your new subscriber. Thanks for sharing the video and I really enjoyed watching it. Is it still possible to buy the vbar control radio? Like the one you are using, as most radio's advertised on the website are all vbar control touch. Thanks in advance Jonas.

[@Johnny31297]

Hey Ramy, I'm afraid the original VBC has not been available for quite a long time. I too prefer it, but your only option these days is buying used I'm afraid.

[@ramylems1895]

@@Johnny31297 yeah, I think that radio is in demand and I even search on ebay but no where to find, I have emailed mikado Germany but no answer yet. Any way it's really cool to watch the way you fly your heli. How long you been on rc heli?

[@Johnny31297]

@@ramylems1895 I have been in this hobby since 2010, so I've been flying half my life at this point lol

[@ramylems1895]

@@Johnny31297 that's great Jonas, and that's what what we called enjoying life 🤣 . By the way I'm planning to get a heli, which one you recommend between 550 and 700, is it good idea to go directly to 700?

[@harveylau6992]

without all v-bar gyro only tail gyro is gy tese fly?

[@syndicate9974]

i have question back in old days there was swash stabilizer ? so people was flying with out before? in 2008 2010? i flew helis in 2017 hahaha

[@Johnny31297]

Flybar heads, mechanical stabilization

[@IanF-FPV]

Can you do this same test with a much smaller helicopter?

[@Johnny31297]

Like a Protos 380?

[@IanF-FPV]

@@Johnny31297 perhaps or Align 450L

[@Johnny31297]

@@IanF-FPV Gotta work with what I have mate 😂😂 Just wanted to confirm the size you’re thinking about. Think 380 it is.

[@t-rex8009]

👏👏👏👏👏💯💯💯

[@yotatokunaga3049]

Expart skill and nice flight ! I surprised RC behaving like the full scale helicopter I’m using vbar governor, Could you tell me your setup parameters at 1400RPM?

[@Johnny31297]

I could tell you the parameters, but they won't fit your model if you're not flying the exact same setup as I have on my heli. Instead, check the following procedures from the VStabi guys, with those you should get a fantastic result: www.vstabi.info/en/node/2043

[@aeroalan2570]

👏👏👏👏🚁

[@helmut-h.8938]

Einfach nur Wahnsinn.

[@garrykennedy5484]

So it acts more like a flybar heli.

[@gulfair-cavalry-tango1011]

We don't fly full scale manned helicopters with auto-stabilization.

[@Johnny31297]

Have you seen all the systems newer models like the H145 have installed? 4 axis autopilot, will literally do auto hover, auto takeoff, auto approach, level the helicopter at the push of a button, SAS for all axes... Yes, modern full scale helicopters are very much stabilized.

[@gulfair-cavalry-tango1011]

@@Johnny31297 Robots

[@davidjacobs8558]

old real helicopters actually did have fly bars, but they had round weights at the each end, not small paddles like things like RC helicopter.

[@DrernieGDNP]

I hit subscribe pretty hard at "wonky sh**"

[@BladeScraper]

I should try this neatOS

[@keveshannaidoo5670]

Hi what keeps the heli stabilised like that ?at the beginning of the video ,is it the flybarless controller that you are using ?.if so what fbl controller is that

[@Johnny31297]

Yes, at 1000RPM it's stabilized by the VBar NEO. Only when I switched up to 1400RPM the rotor head stabilization was turned off.

[@beastehful]

Robinson mode

[@apoc505]

so basically a FBL acting like a flybar heli 🤣🤣

[@RemedyTalon]

exactly my thoughts. I always remember it being harder to fly back in the day with paddles.

[@NorCalDudeBJJ]

Should be worse than a flybar heli. It's missing the flybar for stabilization, and also the electronic stabilization. Jonas just makes it look easier because he's one of the top pilots around.

[@4CFPV]

I have tried zero gain fbl before, and it does feel like a fly barred heli in a hover if its not windy.

[@Johnny31297]

It's different. It does some things better and some things worse, but overall, it's really not bad

[@ambrosekillpack4841]

You really should land by the time your battery hits 20%. Cells oxidize really fast when they go below about 3.7 volts. Also bruh, are you being held in a maximum security prison or is that clear plastic chassis on your radio just for fun? Joke, that was a joke.