Ep. 5 - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - Plato and the Cave

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Fifth episode of Dr. John Vervaeke's Awakening from the Meaning Crisis.

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@funkyboodah
@funkyboodah 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you waited a while to do this. For me these lectures come at a perfect time, and I think it's the sort of thing people will naturally go to after they are "done" with Jordan Peterson's material. Your material acts as such a great complement but also deepening of things that JP could not go into because he is so involved in the culture wars. Your lectures in this way remain purely about improvement and insight. These lectures are all very dense and not easy to watch -- but well worth the effort. The fact that you made it free is a great service to humanity. These lecture will serve to truly transform peoples lives in a way I dont think any other speaker prior to this could do. And the book images are a great touch as well as the listing of the key concepts in text. It's like you took the JP model and improved upon it. Bravo and Many Thanks
@tonychapman5753
@tonychapman5753 4 жыл бұрын
How astute! I myself got into these after passing through my Peterson phase, and thought the same as you.
@TallanMD
@TallanMD 4 жыл бұрын
They are colleagues in the same department at the same university! (University of Toronto)
@manaloola2018
@manaloola2018 4 жыл бұрын
Although some say the Jordan Peterson is the gateway drug to the “alt-right”, I’d say he’s the gateway drug to John Vervaeke. Ditto all the other commenters here, but I’d also say that JP awakened me to the culture wars which I was fairly oblivious of and he helped me to clarify my positions
@Ykpaina988
@Ykpaina988 3 жыл бұрын
@@tonychapman5753 yes very astute I too find myself going through a similar transition to Johns works after having watched everything JBP put out 3 or 4 or more times. They had a conversation and it was very interesting.
@davidchoi9733
@davidchoi9733 2 жыл бұрын
Haha holy crap, same. I watched all of JP's MoM/biblical/personality lectures, journalism appearances so many times, I have them pretty much memorized. And now I'm transitioning to Vervaeke. I feel like Vervaeke is the "cool, eccentric uncle" to Petersons "darkly eccentric dad"
@andrewizzoclarke
@andrewizzoclarke 2 жыл бұрын
It’s unbelievable that such information is free on the internet. Thank you so much!
@atlasfeynman1039
@atlasfeynman1039 2 жыл бұрын
This is what the internet is for!
@TheKingWhoWins
@TheKingWhoWins Жыл бұрын
@@atlasfeynman1039 Say it louder for the folks in the back !!!
@atlasfeynman1039
@atlasfeynman1039 Жыл бұрын
@@TheKingWhoWins Pause and rewind any parts that you missed or are fuzzy on. Replay lectures you don't understand the next day with the freedom to let your mind wander and not miss the info you were daydreaming through... If I had video recordings of my professors lectures, I would have done much better in university. Every professor owes it to their field to record their lectures for future upload.
@jamesbarlow6423
@jamesbarlow6423 Жыл бұрын
Why? If he were saying anything beyond what he's read I'd agree.
@atlasfeynman1039
@atlasfeynman1039 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbarlow6423 He actually does, but you would know that if you'd read any of the books he's discussing. This specific lecture is on Plato's Republic, but even having read it, there is much to be learned that cannot be absorbed in one reading, as, of course, you already know.
@akirathedon
@akirathedon 4 жыл бұрын
🌊 I'm riding an escooter from West Hollywood to my studio in downtown LA and back every day primarily as an excuse to listen to this (relatively) undistracted... what an absolute masterpiece it is and what an absolute wonder to be alive to experience it all. 🌊
@SapientEudaimonia
@SapientEudaimonia 3 жыл бұрын
MEANINGWAVE 🌊❤🌍
@Ykpaina988
@Ykpaina988 3 жыл бұрын
Meaningwave and meaning crisis and chill! cant wait for the remix of this!
@gridcoregilry666
@gridcoregilry666 3 жыл бұрын
@@SapientEudaimonia great nickname and profile pic 😃 I use the same on social media
@SapientEudaimonia
@SapientEudaimonia 3 жыл бұрын
@@gridcoregilry666 Thank you, brother!
@Psychedt
@Psychedt 2 жыл бұрын
The way you broke down temporal discounting and the continuous rediscovery of Plato’s theory of soul was marvelous. I’m loving this series, thank you John.
@mikerinaldi7170
@mikerinaldi7170 Жыл бұрын
Just when I thought this series couldn't get any better, chocolate cake sound effects!
@nasar8480
@nasar8480 2 жыл бұрын
This was the most insightful lecture on Plato's allegory of the cave that I've come across. Amazing. Also, I found this lecture series yesterday and I don't think I'll stop before its completion. Your enthusiasm for the subject is infectious, not to mention the inherent content of it. Thank you so much.
@hazardousjazzgasm129
@hazardousjazzgasm129 5 жыл бұрын
I look forward to this every Friday. Thank you for your lectures John, both online and offline
@natepolidoro4565
@natepolidoro4565 2 жыл бұрын
This lecture, or story, or myth, whatever it should be called, is like the sunlight in the parable-- to me at least.
@lounaannajung4454
@lounaannajung4454 2 жыл бұрын
Canadian Professors sharing the wisdom for free with humanity will forever be a fascinating sign of love. Thank you so much ♡
@lukaslukaas5863
@lukaslukaas5863 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, this is lecture is so ingenoius I have to cry. I have an epiphany like every 5 minutes 🥹 awesome how you connect the dots, I bow to you man.
@DANB083
@DANB083 Жыл бұрын
This is the most engaging podcast I’ve committed to.
@vicsummers9431
@vicsummers9431 5 жыл бұрын
I remember being absolutely blown away by the conversation John had with Jordan Peterson a few years ago, where you had some great back and fourths and came to a mutual understanding in many points. A series of conversations between you guys would be bloody amazing.
@Sopranohooper
@Sopranohooper 5 жыл бұрын
Seconded!
@kjekelle96
@kjekelle96 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes indeed.
@NorthenTasawwuf
@NorthenTasawwuf 2 жыл бұрын
There was a new one recently.
@TimothyAtlas
@TimothyAtlas 4 жыл бұрын
I’m more interested in connecting with all the epic humans in this chat! Out of all the shit you could’ve and could be watching.. you’re here.. I salute you all!
@timtakacs4534
@timtakacs4534 4 жыл бұрын
As a U of T alumni and former student of Prof. Vervaeke, I cannot express how glad I am that Prof. Vervaeke has moved and continues to move into this space.
@thedragonof88
@thedragonof88 Жыл бұрын
I'm a scientist that has always been interested in the esoteric. I like the way you bring together science, wisdom, and spirituality in these lecture series. Thank you very much for these lectures! I hope to make it all the way through the series.
@josevanreyes
@josevanreyes Жыл бұрын
The cave metaphor is awe inspiring. I want to remember it forever. It feels like a description of a psychedelic experience.
@josecastaneda8181
@josecastaneda8181 29 күн бұрын
Tried watching this 3 years ago. When I was 21-22. I turned 25 in February and it did not speak the way it just did to me. Thank you John.
@antoniobarbalau1107
@antoniobarbalau1107 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you prof. Vervaeke ♥️ this is life-changing
@TheKrazyLobster
@TheKrazyLobster Жыл бұрын
This is what the Internet was meant for. Thank you so much for these lectures, sir.
@chad8537
@chad8537 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you John. I also want to share that these lectures pair incredibly well with Ian McGilchrist’s Book, The Master and His Emissary.
@ijumaaproductions
@ijumaaproductions 2 жыл бұрын
every episode is completely NEW UNKNOWN information, things and concepts I never could have guessed existed, it is an incredible discovery every time. I sit with my note book and treat this as a uni course. The previous episode about Socratic thinking really raised my consciousness.
@koachang
@koachang 4 ай бұрын
What a gift John Vervaeke 💪 thank you very much
@noahweikert9367
@noahweikert9367 5 жыл бұрын
Setup a way to donate to you, listening to your lecture makes me feel cheated from the philosophy classes I've taken
@erikdrafke167
@erikdrafke167 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are sacred to me.
@benshep09
@benshep09 3 жыл бұрын
John you are an intellectual titan and I’ve greatly enjoyed these lectures. I keep coming back to them, each time I find new insights
@isaacmarcuson8422
@isaacmarcuson8422 5 жыл бұрын
I gasped earlier when I realized that today is Friday. Thank you, John Vervaeke!
@peterrosqvist2480
@peterrosqvist2480 2 жыл бұрын
54:18 Absolutely amazing. The whole transcends the constituent parts.
@libertasvirtusveritas9749
@libertasvirtusveritas9749 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Vervaeke, for this wonderful gift you've decided to share with us all.
@CALCANEUS3535
@CALCANEUS3535 Жыл бұрын
Thank you John, This is a lecturer masterpiece. This is truly a life giving, life affirming work you are doing. I feel intimately linked to the story of humanity and consciousness in a way I’ve never experienced.
@GallumArtemi
@GallumArtemi Жыл бұрын
You have utterly enflamed my love for learning and teaching, at the same time. The desire I have to provoke into 'unknown' and to push and evolve the questions, to dance in life with it. I am in a state of wonder and I never want to leave it. Thank you.
@antonyliberopoulos933
@antonyliberopoulos933 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you John. I am learning more about Ancient Greek philosophers in your lectures, than I ever did as a young man attending a Greek school.
@Voller84
@Voller84 3 жыл бұрын
These are excellent. Thank you so much.
@spritecut
@spritecut 5 жыл бұрын
Best lecture so far. Thank you.
@mosesgarcia9443
@mosesgarcia9443 4 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC....Thank you ...
@praveenrai6965
@praveenrai6965 4 жыл бұрын
Oral traditions of Upanishads in India existed long long time before the Axial revolution came about in many parts of the world. Plato's cave analogy and the idea of self-transcendence, transformation, liberation from self-deception that clouds us from recognizing the true nature of our reality... all these were expressed with such intense rational rigor in the Upanishads. The idea of "mithya", the apparent reality, that which is neither existent nor non-existent (sad asad vilakshaNa), the very basis of empirical world that conditions us so much to hide the truth of immutable nature of Absolute Reality, were later expressed by many great minds across many different civilizations in their own ways. Vedantic wisdom is the highest wisdom that reveals the "sAdhak", a true practitioner, to the true nature of reality.
@merzbau
@merzbau Жыл бұрын
I find it quite interesting that someone can go through this kind of subject without mentioning vedanta
@patrickcompton1483
@patrickcompton1483 2 жыл бұрын
A mind hungry for wisdom and reason feasts until bursting from this bounty.
@TheDevNell
@TheDevNell 4 жыл бұрын
The way he talks about his relationship with chocolate is incredibly endearing. And relatable :/
@isaac3252
@isaac3252 2 жыл бұрын
Fellow chocolate addict here as well
@paulacaraccio5633
@paulacaraccio5633 4 жыл бұрын
No words! just thank you
@atsourno
@atsourno 5 жыл бұрын
I was waiting all day for this.
@keithwins
@keithwins 25 күн бұрын
2:40 what makes something sacred is that it is an inexhaustible fount of wisdom and intelligibility that's transformative of us
@keithwins
@keithwins 25 күн бұрын
29:00 The very machinery that makes you adaptive makes you prey to self-deceptive self-destructive behavior
@MrBudaguda
@MrBudaguda 2 жыл бұрын
Love you John Super grateful for these lectures
@abhishekjain725
@abhishekjain725 3 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest things I've seen in a long time.
@gmnorthof49
@gmnorthof49 4 жыл бұрын
Best explanation of the Cave I've come across- thanks!
@d.r.m.m.
@d.r.m.m. 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, John, for such powerful teaching.
@thetranscendedman
@thetranscendedman Жыл бұрын
These just keep getting better and better.
@tensevo
@tensevo Жыл бұрын
God: Meta-desire Man: Desire Animal: Instinct Monster: Meta-Instinct
@KRGruner
@KRGruner 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic. Can't wait for next installment...
@MonkeyFabGarage
@MonkeyFabGarage 5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Thanks for sharing sir.
@kllawre210
@kllawre210 4 жыл бұрын
These lectures are beautifully crafted art-thank you.
@ChristodoulosTsilopoulos-vs7xb
@ChristodoulosTsilopoulos-vs7xb Жыл бұрын
Professor you are fantastic! Thank you.
@daNihilism
@daNihilism 5 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal job so far.
@hermesnoelthefourthway
@hermesnoelthefourthway 8 ай бұрын
There is an extraordinary version of Plato's analogy of the cave in the closing few pages of the chapter eternal snow in Thomas Mann's masterpiece , the magic mountain. He takes the analogy to another level. One that is rather unpalatable for most readers. It truly is extraordinary writing. The protagonists go thru a paradise world , only to arrive at a hell unimaginable
@trentp151
@trentp151 Жыл бұрын
I loved this! You presented this so clearly.
@kingfisher9553
@kingfisher9553 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Best explanation of the cave I have seen.
@timyork8642
@timyork8642 5 жыл бұрын
These are so great.
@anavartalitis8425
@anavartalitis8425 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant through and through. Even ending with Satie! Thank you.
@nugokapanadze8689
@nugokapanadze8689 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@adamblock2577
@adamblock2577 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Professor V’🙏🙏🙏🙏
@goyo0620
@goyo0620 4 ай бұрын
It's always fascinating when someone has a thought or opinion etc that is still relevant so so so long after they passed. Not only relevant to us in general but this whole non human intelligence topic. This is all I'm hearing about for the last few years so it was nice to have such a strong teacher break this down. About to re listen to it. I skipped lesson 4 because I was so excited then got to busy and distracted on 5 so I'm going back to this. Mmmm its like a drug lol
@nghiale5410
@nghiale5410 Жыл бұрын
I’m so grateful and thankful for this series forever indebted to Dr Vervaeke 🙏. This is gold
@ljohnson7124
@ljohnson7124 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. So grateful
@keithnisbet
@keithnisbet 4 жыл бұрын
This is mind blowing material. I’m in overload right now and will have to go over this more than once. Insight after insight. THANKYOU!
@relaxmarco
@relaxmarco Жыл бұрын
This such a relevant lecture. The inner conflict part really spoke to me. It’s truly majestic to watch how all these perennial problems got brilliant minds of the past to think about them and today we still battle with so many of these issues. It’s a great wake up call for everyone. Truly universal teachings.
@accadia1983
@accadia1983 Жыл бұрын
Ah the answers! No bullshit policy works magic. Kudos, professor ❤️ 28:55 nobody is perfect. Mind needs to be trained. Adaptive mechanism of brain can also misinterpret and self-deceive. 53:30 what binds content and behaviour? Structural-fuctional organization. The whole is greater than its parts. Enter the Gestalt from German, or Logos from Greek. Pattern recognition under the hood. Form leads to name. Children have no name for bird when they see it first time.
@AmidstTheLight85
@AmidstTheLight85 3 жыл бұрын
This has been so wonderful so far. I keep getting hung up on philosophy, because of the static nature of most interpretations. You're bringing to light the flux and movement of our being. The cyclical transformation you describe feels closer to Truth. I'm not sure I've heard Plato interpreted quite like this.
@mathewhill5556
@mathewhill5556 5 жыл бұрын
While "The Matrix" is similar to the allegory of the cave the movie is based on a book "Simulacra and Simulation" by Jean Baudrillard. I believe this is an important distinction because Baudrillard elucidates a few important concept's that expose to some degree the modern "cave" we find ourselves in. The word matrix has its origin in the word matron, or mother. In the ancient Mesopotamian cosmogonic creation myth the great mother is captured and divided into "the world" by the Logos. In Simulacra and Simulation an ancient race of cartographers create a map as big as their territory, that is undistinguishable from the territory itself. The ancient Mesopotamian people mapped a great many things, from the earth to the stars. Many foundations of civilization appear for the first time in history in ancient Mesopotamia. One idea or psycho technology that appears is the use of currency. To be able to use a currency one has to first psychologically map value onto said currency. This creates a simulacra of value that is undistinguishable from the _true_ meaning of value. I believe this distortion of _true_ or present value inhibits our ability to perceive _true_ value. That this inability to perceive _true_ value is synonymous with inhibiting the perception of present "objective" meaning mirrored in the Christian mythos with the separation from God, and the fall.
@lzszl
@lzszl 5 жыл бұрын
Mathew Hill I‘m eagerly reading, then you smuggle jesus in.
@mathewhill5556
@mathewhill5556 5 жыл бұрын
@@lzszl Regardless of personal belief, we cannot deny the power of the archetypal symbology of the Messiah.
@Ricoidris
@Ricoidris 5 жыл бұрын
Interestsing analysis!
@nicholasleclerc1583
@nicholasleclerc1583 11 ай бұрын
When you said « _true_ meaning of value », we’re you trying to say « _true_ value », instead ?
@nicholasleclerc1583
@nicholasleclerc1583 10 ай бұрын
@@mathewhill5556 Yeah, well, fascists certainly can’t, alright !!!! : p They really just like a different Messiah than the Christian/Catholic one, that’s all… Hell, a lot of Far Right-wingers, like Nero-reactionaries, or rather « Dark Enlightenment thinkers » & Neo-Nazis, specifically, are quite Catholic themselves (at least the first kind) (And I’d like to also say that « Right-Wing Third Positionists » are also part of this recent « Alt-Right » umbrella of the political compass)
@alexanderlindsey7134
@alexanderlindsey7134 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna have to drive to the store and get some chocolate now
@nugzarkapanadze6867
@nugzarkapanadze6867 7 ай бұрын
Thank You Very Much 🙏
@jaydoninott5462
@jaydoninott5462 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, illuminating lectures. Thanks so much for sharing so widely.
@1993HBh
@1993HBh 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Just amazing 👏
@ginasrsen
@ginasrsen 4 жыл бұрын
Yes....love your distinction about what is actually sacred vs supernatural presence
@FaanaMusic
@FaanaMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I got many insides from this one, thank you so much, John!
@minhdaongoc
@minhdaongoc 5 жыл бұрын
Best gifts for every friday!
@9535310131
@9535310131 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You John Vervaeke, for helping me value human pursuit of world within
@dempsey2023
@dempsey2023 Жыл бұрын
Great talk, thanks for the upload
@TheHangedMan
@TheHangedMan 9 ай бұрын
The previous episodes were great, of course, but this is where the series starts to pop off. If this were a Netflix show, I'd tell people "stick with it until episode 5, it really picks up."
@LynnColorado
@LynnColorado Жыл бұрын
Fascinating Information . . . Thank You!
@vicsummers9431
@vicsummers9431 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome as usual!
@dalibofurnell
@dalibofurnell Жыл бұрын
I have at this point, gained a new insight, realization and perspective. Thank you.
@iloveanthonyhill
@iloveanthonyhill 4 жыл бұрын
20:48-21:30.... Wow. What a soundbyte. I’m in a near-constant state of wonder listening to these lectures, but this is an awesome moment.
@bro4539
@bro4539 2 жыл бұрын
I really noticed how easy it is to fiddle with people's salience detectors while watching this. Even though he only mentioned Hamilton (where I live) as an arbitray example I immediately perked up and felt happy to be very indirectly acknowledged. I guess that's a pretty obvious example since they do exactly that at concerts and political rallies all the time. But it was interesting to notice when it was happening to me.
@practicalphilosophyclips435
@practicalphilosophyclips435 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Work
@Beederda
@Beederda Жыл бұрын
I appreciate YOUR time JV ❤️🍄
@saqlainsajid1274
@saqlainsajid1274 Жыл бұрын
Every time I rewatch the series I understand so many new things and I realize that I didn’t even truly understand half of it during my last watch Worth every rewatch 👍 Can’t believe I have access to this series for free
@albertogomes5570
@albertogomes5570 2 жыл бұрын
I am immensely grateful for your generosity my dear fellow traveler. Blessings
@leedufour
@leedufour 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@DavidD-xb6yn
@DavidD-xb6yn 11 ай бұрын
This is so powerful John. Great lecture. Looking forward to the next lectures.
@OfCourseICan
@OfCourseICan Жыл бұрын
This series just gets better and better. This is the most valuable content on the internet. I'm dreading the final ep. Thank you so much Mr. Vervaeke.
@thomaskatsinis8083
@thomaskatsinis8083 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent job 👏 👍 👌 I love it 😀
@Hooz97
@Hooz97 5 жыл бұрын
So fantastic! Gestalt has been on my mind lately so that was quite the shock! Much love and thanks John. This work is so important.
@Rightnow369
@Rightnow369 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ol'Teacher
@tarhunta2111
@tarhunta2111 2 жыл бұрын
That was brilliant.
@gabedepaul5407
@gabedepaul5407 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe it took me this long to hear such a clear explanation of logos!
@SanjuroSan
@SanjuroSan 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man this is just pure gold. What I'm personally finding is that I have been attracted to everything you're talking about and embodying in practice but had none of the language. You are helping me update, interconnect, pull apart, burn off, and grow so much. Thank you so much for being you, listening and challenging yourself to go where you have been going. Your journey is enriching and aiding so many, me included.
@jenniferbrantley5931
@jenniferbrantley5931 2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Vervaeke, I’ve heard people translate the Gestalt idea as “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts” but I’ve also heard it rendered… “the whole is other, than the sum of its parts”. I think it helps me with the concepts you present to think of it in the latter, as the whole being something “other” than the sum of its parts. I’m loving this series hard!!! Thank you 🙏🏼.
@JaimeLopez-vb6zc
@JaimeLopez-vb6zc 2 жыл бұрын
Even though I’m familiar with most of the literature that he is discussing, I find so much new meaning and understanding from John’s approach and explanations. This lectures are brilliant. Will not only see them all, but will definitely get some of his books…
@kostaa5665
@kostaa5665 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@JEEDUHCHRI
@JEEDUHCHRI 2 жыл бұрын
Participatory knowing. Aka being open to revision. This concept has helped me tremendously.
@skadiwarrior2053
@skadiwarrior2053 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture thanks
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