Please seriously consider holding that retreat!

I'm close to Boulder, Colorado. I'm interested in growing up 🙏🙌❤️🤯🔥👍🤔

The Tao that is told cannot be known The way that is shown is not your own As above, as soul below Yin and Yang and Ouroboros Forty days and forty nights The darkest days forewarns enlight The Unus Mundus, the Axis Mundi Your inner compass will guide you through thee Dante’s and Virgil’s inferno journey The Duat retaught the justice and mercy A sacred plane of many names Arcane domain no frame profanes The Few have seen where Jacob dreamed Therein between each conscious stream…

This was the video that opened me up to John’s magic, and my subsequent pilgrimage of meaning.

This conversation has been powerful and one I will becoming back to for experiential work I am thinking on and developing. My life changed when I ventured into Men’s Work in nature on a New Warrior Training Adventure weekend. So much of what the two of you have discussed, speaks to ideas I have been having and yet, this conversation brings even more fuel for what I am working toward. I am definitely interested in finding a way to to take part in a weekend with Kyle or the future Vervaeke Weekend you’re also talking about. Thank you both so much!

Had to pause at evolving the evolvability. It seems to me that observing and memory are very close and the evolvability is also the allowing of space here for that assertive ingress of environment to be coherent. The playing with this space takes two avenues, the 3 card monte of suggested value in divided and sequestered bits, where splitting the thing up more gives more, and the chopping up of time and juxtaposing it in a way which messes with the propositional. They both seem to be the result of a feeling of superiority over nature and parents who want the best for their kids, entitlement and permissions. The entitlement itself messes with the propositional (observing curtailed) and memory with backwards looking permissions and its ownership difficulties. I like how a corporative model for ownership of this type of wild space can allow the right size of family to refresh the individuals and provide a safe space. When outsiders want to succeed in rural areas the residents respect big money, speculators or not, the speculators are your competition and they have lots of capital. Group of hippies can succeed but they get isolated. The corporative model in business seems to go wrong when that family is played with, chopped out of the commons and sequestered, assigned family values in an uneasy context with the uber value from the higher level and the entitlement with legal permissions as buffer. A new political level is possible there between family and municipal, where the size of the community isn't given to the control of propositional speculators. Like the other, it's just another form of capitalism where the efficacious size of the group falls into the 3 card monte played from who controls capital, where too big and too small are advantaged. A food forest in or around the community solves the most for the least and is wall dissolving trust builder space that provides a yield and income. Loose templates can govern where ownership is confirmed. Make these the hubs. Thanks for the video.

Niche construction?

So I’m a Shaman …

You KNOW I'm interested in the campfire Dialogos! So great to see you two together and I look forward to participating in whatever fruits come from the intersection of both of your work.

I want to have a normal job. Makes my mind boggle as to why people join TV cooking shows or wilderness adventures. Probably my upbringing. I once was trekking alone, lost in pouring rain wadding down a flooding river trying to find the hut I was staying in that night. I was about to sleep under a rock when a light shone on the other side of the river with no source of illumination. There was a sign saying HUT. My head torch batteries died as I entered the hut. Just one of many bizarre holy spirit experiences. You are not earth, fire, wind or water. Or a theological entity for politics. Bring all that energy going out back into your heart. Oh. From a Forest tradition perspective. I know academics use Zen (adaptation of Buddhism with Western philosophy) for its adaptability, I have been there and done that. Bored the crap out of me. Meaning crisis? Neoconservatism.

Thank you Kyle and John! I am a deep admirer of both of you. I am very close friends with Jake who was mentioned in this conversation. I’m working in Muir Woods right now as an environmental educator and I am working everyday to spark interest and connection in the outdoors for kids. Would love to talk more with both of you about all things environmental engagement, circling, and Dialogos. This all resonates so much!

A fascinating conversation which gives different words, same meaning and experience, to what I see in my work as a seer and healer. We cannot discount the "Human Energetic Environment" - the fields of unseen energy, which make up our multidimensional experience. I am really enjoying your conversations John and very excited to have finally found a scientist who speaks my language. Thank you, Lilah (Cape Town, South Africa)

Thank you, again, for access to conversations like this one. I work in a lab 40+ hours a week... without windows, ha!

The meaning is ones descriptive experience. Ones path is ones definition

What does “martial arts” resources mean?

Thes guys in academia live in their own reality.

Wonderful ! Always enjoy listening to your conversations

This notion of epistemic vulnerability is an important flipside of epistemic humility. This whole discussion was very, very resonant for me personally. Dialectic into dialogos has been transformative for me and actually has provided a great framework for exploring the development of social skills. I really like the characterization of 'deep listening exercises.' Great framing. The exploration of memory is very important. This wasn't directly discussed but the blending of working memory and the subconscious is an important area that has a lot of variability and merits investigation. Spiritual language seems to be an incredibly rich and efficient signal and take this as a plus or a minus but it doesn't lend itself to conscious manipulation from within that space. It is predicted on surrender (which leads into that space of vulnerability). Thank you both very much for another very fruitful discussion. 🙏

Thank you for doing this? I appreciate what you share from your deep knowledge❤❤! Next to my books I have three of your five little statues. The images of the nature on this video, are beautiful, never seen before'''!

It is good to see you both in dialogos around something that is so real yet unrealized. It is deeply sacred to me and has so much to offer🌍🔥🙏

For urban hyper-differentiated folks the return to Nature is in itself a Practice.

At 40:00 question arises how to translate qualitative meaninfulness into quantitative practice ?

Super stoked about this. Please let me know if you have any questions or if anyone want to express these topics further.

“My experience in the world now has language.” What a start. 🚀🚀🚀

The Baldwin effect :-)

انَا اختكمَ مَن اليمَن وّالَلَه ماتكلمتَ الَا من جوّع وًّمَنَ ضَيَقَ الَحَالَ انَا وًّامَيَ وًّاخَوًّاّتَيَ تَشَرَدَنَا مَنَ بَيَوًّتَنَا بَسَبَبَ الَحَرَبَ نَحَنَ فَيَ حَالَهَ لَايَعَلَمَ بَهَا الَا الَلَهَ حَسَبَنَا الَلَهَ وًّنَعَمَ الَوكيَلَ فَيَ مَنَ اوًّصَلَنَا الَى هَاذا الَحَالَ 💔💔وًّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ مَا كتَبَتَ هَذا الَمَنَاشَدَهَ غَيَرَ مَنَ الَضَيَقَ وّالَفَقَر يَاعَالَمَ حَسَوّا فَيَنَا ارَجَوّكمَ وّالَلَهَ الَعَظَيَمَ رَبَ الَعَرَشَ الَعَظَيَمَ انَه الَاكلَ مَا فَيَ عَنَدَيَ بَالَبَيَتَ وًّالَلَهَ يَا اخَوّانَيَ انَهَ اخَوًّاتَيَ بَقَعَدَوًّ بَالَيَوًّمَيَنَ مَافَى اكلَ وًّالَلَهَ وًّضَعَنَا كثَيَرَ صَعَبَ نَحَنَ 4 نَفَرَ دَاخَلَ الَبَيَتَ وًّابَيَ مَتَوًّفَيَ وًّلَا يَوًّجَدَ مَنَ يَعَوًّلَ عَلَيَنَا وًّسَاكنَيَنَ فَيَ بَيَتَ اجَارَ لَانَسَتَطَيَعَ دَفَعَ الَاجَارَ الَلَيَ بَاقَيَ عَلَيَنَا ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من الحرب انا واسرتي بيننا ایجار الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخواتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب ||| ماتستطيع مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967716649494 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواتي سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا`/-.؛;،:,~«☽« :☽؛ΠΠΠΠ💔💔💔ππππ↑؛؛ا̫̠̜̥̊̾̉͌ا

One episode at a time this series is changing my life. Thank you so much!

49:20 made me cry

Perfect example for understanding problem formulation would be puzzle

and it dutch we "give" it, "schenken"...

we "pay" attention - in english - . in spanish we "lend" attention, "prestar" .....

Isnt cognitive science trying to do what shamnism through rigrous pratices and meditation and stoics differentiation of meaning and event trying to attain

Love your work John

P.S. THIS IS WHY JACK DORSEY POINTED OUT VERY CLEARLY, THAT, A.I. CANNOT EXPLAIN ITSELF TO ITSELF. THE ERROR STILL IS TOO CUMMULATIVE!

PHENOMENAL AXIOMS : EXPERIENCE VS THE SALIENT (ID AXIOM): Targeting phenomenal experience means that C-tests ought not be primarily directed at the detection of intelligence, self-regulation, voluntary behavior, or any other capacity that might be associated with consciousness. Of course, if it can be shown that a certain capacity (e.g., attention, perceptual organization) covaries with consciousness - as some theories of consciousness suggest - then it might well be fruitful for a C-test to focus on that capacity as a means of "identifying" phenomenal consciousness. 😉

Your meta-political view, as it is informed by opponent processing, should be taken seriously.

Hello each of you with two years distance in space-time listening to your sayings and thinking about a personal topic Zachariah was saying at 1h 06 was exactly what i was thinking about the attitude i had to take or position in-towards my actual situation of being. In any case your triangular dynamic is still on his way even two years later! Thank you all

- TIMESTAMPS - Welcome How all this started (the light side) There is a unified account of what is happening The dark side The light and dark sides both point to a unified explanation: a crisis of 'meaning' - but we need to understand what 'meaning' means (and that is a very complex problem) There are other major crises as well, and they are all deeply inter-dependent Can we solve this crisis of meaning through wisdom cultivation? What is wisdom? Our three fundamental questions Overview of topics we will address We will gradually move from a historical account of 'meaning/meaning-making to a cognitive scientific/structural-functional account of meaning/meaning-making: This will require us to investigate our lost forms of knowing We will endeavour to put the historical and structural-functional accounts in deep dialogue with each other, and doing so may afford a real response to the meaning crisis (an awakening from the meaning crisis) This problem is incredibly non-simplistic, difficult, and complex By deeply understanding what this meaning crisis is, we may thereby understand how it interacts with the other major crises of our time John's commitments to you How and why is meaning so integral to our humanity? Let's start at the 'beginning': the Upper-Paleolithic transition The creation of much broader trading networks, and the rituals we had to create to deal with this Trading rituals: perspective taking, mind-sight, meta-cognition, and mindfulness Initiation rituals: commitment, self-regulation, and de-centering Shamanic rituals: Shamanism, exaptation, altered states of consciousness, our sudden increase in cognition, hardware vs software, psycho-technologies, cyborgs, disruptive strategies, and insight

Fantastic talk. This shift from participatory to propositional, recitation to silent reading etc. sounds like what Iain McGilchrist would call a turn towards the left hemisphere, does that make sense?

This conversation becomes much more focused on the central topic at 01:01:00

The heavens speak through your very Souls

wow, these episode is so important to understand the meaning crisis and the colapse of meaning in the actual world

What a beautiful man, how right and just it is that a person like him works as a guide for people in crisis

If this news gets out all of us human robots(simulators) are going to go off the rails and have mega meta meaning crisis with no resolution! Seriously where do we go to school to unlearn our lifetimes? Thank you both I Phileo you guys

The Peter Pan syndrome explained to perfection. Thank you!