Join the Largest Survey about Warhammer the Old World ever! | Square Based Show

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Mid show we realized we should ask everyone! Follow this link to share your opinions about Warhammer the Old World! tinyurl.com/Old-World-Survey

[@sjZhyren]

Some of these were actually really hard to answer. I'm a casual player who plays to win but winning is very much secondary to having fun time with thematic armies and asymmetric scenarios. Also, if i was sitting on pile of metallic chaos dwarfs. Did I already have an army or did I build an army only when I finally got change to put them together on the table with the old world?

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

I'd probably call that more genuinely thematic gaming. And that feels like an army you already owned : )

[@Fearior]

Will you do update after a week or so? Few players from our local group already filled theirs! It will be interesting.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

We'll see if it keeps up momentum - but I figure yeah after a week or two we'll pull up the nets and see what we got!

[@markysgeeklab8783]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld then do another one with the extra questions you wished you'd added?

[@wargamereric9929]

I just did a 17 page Old World survey but I can't be assed to do a 30min "mandatory" survey at work. Funny that

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

literally made this survey to avoid that survey myself lol

[@SnowTroIl]

I think the future of legacy factions is what makes or breaks the game for me.

[@sneeringbrit6415]

Just did the survey, you chaps are doing the gods work with this! Always a treat when I see you have uploaded a new vid. Keep it up

[@MiniatureRealms]

Great stuff chaps, filled it in last night. Looking forward to the results from the wider group.

[@Dre0oq]

I would love to see terrain standardization that emphasized having all terrain types represented on the table.

[@landonpaints]

I love that you guys are doing a survey! But some things to consider: 1) Always expect an internal survey to lean heavily in one direction. At this point, most of the respondents are your regular viewers who hold many of the same opinions you do. It's a recipe for an echo chamber. 2) Voluntary surveys are inherently limiting because only the most engaged members of a community (and typically those with the strongest opinions) will bother to take them... aka the "vocal minority." That said... thank you for doing this! I just took the survey, and it was very well written!

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

yeah but what you gonna do? Hopefully it gets passed around and we get a sizable sample. We also ask enough questions to know if its our direct audience speaking to us or not, and where approximately they're from.

[@wraithship]

I cant believe you didn't ask "what factions do you collect" and "what factions do you play"

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

everything is obvious in retrospect. I did go with a "fav faction" and how many do you have... but yeah, this would have been better.

[@maltehaster8996]

I don't know. With so many factions yet to be released, asking what sbd plays might given a less accurate result. A lot of people might not be playing High Elves right know because maybe they sold the army they had lovingly collected during their formative years to some rando on ebay for way too little money, because they didn't think the models were painted "particularly well" and they probably weren't but they were theirs and they carried the unconcerned touch of a curious, youthful spirit willing to explore, willing to take risks. A spirit, now turning spectre because it has lost its anchor and, God, that was so stupid!!!!!! ...Or something... Just a thought

[@OreoPriest]

There should be more "no opinion" options, often the survey forces you to choose an opinion on a situation that doesn't affect you.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Such is the essence of internet discourse. There were a few where I consciously chose to force an up or down for whatever reason.

[@AnominousRex]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld there no option for not being able to play a game of old world yet.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Selecting "I don't play in person" would have gotten you to a follow up question where you could share why you haven't played a game yet. So it's definitely covered

[@douglasvictor9757]

​@@SquareBasedOldWorldit wasn't the best form. Several options were strange or missing. That they're conditionally hidden doesn't really help. Still filled it out! Great initiative trying to get data around TOW.

[@earnestwanderer2471]

The toughest question for me was regarding which new faction was the most exciting and... should the legacy factions come first. Wow. I just wanted to say yes to everything.

[@jamessmith6234]

Re: Legacy Factions. I think the community would be so overwhelmingly on board with preserving their existence in the game that they would forgive imperfect or unbalanced patches released by Square Based provided you took on board feedback and altered things that were broken. AKA don't release a patch and then leave it forever without any conversation around it (like GW did)

[@TravelMuseAgency]

Run across meadow Run through a forest. No trails; no sidewalks. You'll find that real woods are almost impassable.

[@JohnnyTightIips]

Especially as cavalry

[@samueljosephwilson-lassall7508]

Not for an elf

[@mathewcooper8505]

Forrest’s being dangerous just for cav and chariots makes sense to me… but overall yeah they are not dangerous. I think maybe you want more water features on your table. That’s nebulous enough to be called difficult or dangerous if you want

[@Dre0oq]

My only complaint is that after filling it out, the survey didn't inform me of what faction I should play.

[@keyanklupacs6333]

I absolutely believe the GW are not infallible gods of design and that as long as the Renegade factions are Rewritten in a way that is consistent with the Army fantasy no one is going to kick down your door for making an attempt to try to capture that fantasy in a better way or to capture a different angle beyond the most General aspect of that fantasy

[@DergonBaals]

Big ‘if’ right there.

[@keyanklupacs6333]

@DergonBaals No doubt but I feel the warhammer community is pretty good at telling you when they don't like something. Also warhammer flavor isnt that hard to get right. Just follow a handful of rules like standard human level ability is a 3, superhuman stats should be a 4 (of course excluding leadership, attacks and movement) below human in a stat should a 2, see orc initiative vs empire state troops vs a chaos warrior for a perfect example scaling With little exceptions like elves that sort of wind up as their own rule of thumb.

[@ClaudiosCollection]

◼⬛My two favorite nerds on the internet are BACK! ⬛◼

[@Hiryn12]

Have you considered reaching out to the Panoptica Team for HH? They undertake fan rebalances of the game, stat new and old units, and produce new factions and broadly see a positive support from the community.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Thanks for letting us know about them!

[@earnestwanderer2471]

After a year... I’ve found that, if the players are “reasonable” (whatever that means) and aren’t going out of their way to break the game, the rules are fine. If you’re dealing with people who get the most enjoyment out of exploiting the rules then you’re just playing a different game.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

I mean it COULD be argued that the folks playing to the letter of the rules are the ones playing the game. Others a playing a self-comped version of it. And then it becomes a question of unwritten social norms and I've found that's a recipe for discord. I guess that's why I'm very tempted to advocate for something that brings the game closer to an agreed upon middle ground. But I dunno. That's why we asked haha.

[@DergonBaals]

You’ve got the right of it. If someone is trying to break the game wide open then it’s going to need constant balance updates like AoS and 40k, and fuck that. It’s not like Necromunda or Blood Bowl need those, and those games are broken as hell. People just aren’t in the right headspace for treating a wargame as a narrative and fluff driven exercise instead of playing is the most powerful at the time, which is super not what TOW is geared towards. This is a game where people need to build and paint models, not one where you can just select what you want to play on a menu screen. It takes time and effort just to get to play, and encouraging competitive play as a primary form of gameplay in such a small community is only going to make people not want to paint their favourite minis and in turn dissuade people from playing, because at least some of your minis are never going to be valid in a competitive space.

[@JoneZ2610]

Very interesting poll, thanks for your love and passion for this game and the community.

[@AM-uw3gp]

Great idea for a bigger survey Val, you guys should def do this every year, just filled this out

[@BeatonArmaments]

I absolutely despise standardize terrain. Part of the reason I stopped playing 40k is because all the battlefields are now just Ls all over the table.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

I'd be lying if I didn't agree that the standardization of 40K tables became a "careful what you wish for" situation for me.

[@ragnabah8580]

I don't mind the standardized terrain the bassed lads have released, but I do agree that tables should be asymmetrical. I think there should be far more low linear obstacles, bodies of water etc. I personally prefer thematic tables though, like fighting for a farmstead or castle sieges, forrest heavy tables etc.

[@playfulruss4227]

@@BeatonArmaments I also absolutely despise the flat table world we seem to live in, rather than modelled surfaces and hills and three dimensionality

[@Bog_Dog]

@@playfulruss4227one of my hobby goals for this year is making a table that can be folded up for transport but is basically all sculpted with a stream that’s flat enough I can choose to ignore it or count as a river depending on the day. Will prob get advice on sketches of the layout just so it’s not massively skewed to one side or another, and then can leave buildings woods etc to make different flavours of it

[@luis2864]

Love your podcast. I’ve been with you since episode 1. Someday I will travel to the UK to assist one of your tournaments. 💪 greetings from Estalia 🇪🇸

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Please do!

[@BananenbaumEY]

Me, clicking through the different podcasts as a background noise while playing Total War ... Me, cant remember if its older or newer podcast. Also me: can pinpoint the answer dependent on the glorious moustache of Val. :D

[@PrinceMcGiggle]

Filled out the survey, look forward to hearing the discussion around this new round of responses. 70 is just so statistically insignificant to draw conclusions from in my opinion.

[@catalingavrilescu2317]

Hi Rob. FIlled the survery yesterday. The only thing I would like to add is that I want TOW to release new things like Cathay before doing AJ for the legacy armies, however I would love for them to give a little love to the legacy armies. To balance skaven, to correct things in the dark elf list etc.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Hi! This is vals project

[@JohnnyTightIips]

Looking forward to your terrain prints, currently following your terrain packs and using a GW forest, a paper trace of a GW forest, a building & hill made from polystyrene when I was a teenager, a CD case (as a building) and a piece of 2D DnD terrain (as another hill), so 6 pieces of different but similar sized terrain. Will be nice to have a uniform set of 2x buildings/forests/hills :)

[@mikewyatt2262]

I would love to see more 'game types' in tournaments that allow for better but fair terrain placement. King of the hill, capture and control (multiple objectives) and so on. Keen to see what cool scenario types the community can come up with!

[@BrendonKinsey]

The only good thing for my skaven army so far is that as they never see the table more and more of the horde is getting painted... they hit the table thrice to crushing defeat every time. I would play the lists you make! As long as you took data into fixing any issues that crop up, as they always do, id play the crap out of it. Tournament Symmetry in terrain is handy. For home games we used to just make a cool looking board. There were several terrain generators in at least one the old fantasy rule books. Some armies books even had themed ones in, they were pretty fun to play on occasion.

[@stoephil]

70 people are not a lot of people. The people finding this survey and having the will to answer might have a similar state of mind, and thus this survey might not reflect accurately the TOW community, unless heavily shared and way more people participate in. I did my part and filled the survey a few minutes ago. :)

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

the one we review is not the one you just completed and shared. If you watch the video we realize doing a broader survey is a good idea, and presto! The video is about results from a poll of our online tournament players

[@stoephil]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld Yeah I was confused since many of those questions were similar to the video, which I watched while doing the survey. I figured it was an earlier version of the survey, not an entirely new one. Thanks !

[@bobolegentil9026]

We are accepting made up rule for the tournament that I organized, but I'm sharing it in advance and we need to have at least two persons who accepted it.

[@chiefchurpa5739]

awww man i,ve been avoiding all things regarding the bills and seen ur hat,,,,didnt play well enough but had some rough ref calls too...great content guys

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

It was tough.... but that's football. At least Mahommes isn't in Buffalo's division like Brady was.

[@Iratepaddy]

The smoking man from the x files said the bills will never win a Super Bowl as long as he’s alive…. He’s still alive.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

haha yeah... he apparently tried to take it back this year... also I'm shocked that the first time I heard of it was just this past weekend

[@Iratepaddy]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld re watching the x files on Disney since seeing that lol

[@landerbennewith6169]

There should be different levels of forrests: So, managed forrests like near a town should be either open or difficult terrain that obstruct LoS. These will basically be grown like a vinyard, lines of trees, no large branches, and small thin branches that are harvested to create wattle. Then there's forrests that are out in the wilds of the empire, these are filled with either game for hunters, or beastmen and other griblies. They should be difficult or dangerous terrain. Then last of all there's the mystical forrests which are roused to wrath, over grown, and angry. They should be dangerous terrain and possibly offer some kind of bonus to a unit inside of it.

[@Iratepaddy]

Hey random forests and rivers were fucking awesome don’t hate lol

[@sjZhyren]

My opinion about the renegate updates in the future is that as long as they are fully functional their balance questions are secondary. I frankly don't care where that starts, here or some forums or where ever. At least Chaos Dwarfs don't feel like they need changes (except k'daai), it's fun list with loads of build options and interesting restrictions. Obviously I would love to have them retain relative balance status and slightly undertuned is probably safe bet with community updates. Still, playable and fun, it's a dice game.

[@GhostGuitars]

Curious to see the results of the survey. submitted results :)

[@khagan]

A quick thought about custom missions - I love the idea, but if it happens, the TO should publish them somewhere well in advance of the games.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Yup! That's generally the case already

[@LoyalWatcherX]

Survey done! I wonder if the narrative for the results will be 'returning gamers full of enthusiasm who can't get away to two-day events very often' :D

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

I'd say that'd be a win if that's the case!

[@historyshmistory936]

Just answered the survey. My feedback/thoughts at the end of it concerned wizards and spell selection, wizards and their # of dispels each turn, and addressing “Step Up” re: the issues infantry have. Curious what your thoughts are! 🤞

[@Bloodthirstier]

I am excited by the idea of forests. I have been meaning to find something for my wood elf army but honestly it's kind of an unknown what you will get with printing services online and I want something durable

[@Bank_Holiday]

Keep up the great content!

[@crazyterran11]

I think in general people are playing the game because they like the game; so going too wild with changes turn people off. However, there are clearly gaps that have been overlooked and a community FAQ to address those is great to have consistent rulings between tables. But to have a baseline understanding for people coming to an event, sticking to the book as much as we can is ideal.

[@TheFawz]

Dark Elves aren't mentioned as a Legacy faction. RIP :(

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

FML this was not on purpose.

[@KoteDarasuum]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld riight, we believe you ;)

[@kangthecarnivore]

I'll do the survey, but first I'd like to comment on the conversation about terrain. I really love usable terrain that's simple and easy to use, as well as looks good. I've been using Txlari factory for all my rank and flank needs, and it's worked out. I've found that terrain most definitely should be the third player, and should make getting to grips with the opponent a problem in and of itself. For the game I play (Conquest), every table I set up has between 6-8 6"x9" zonal forests, hills, water features, and buildings to create a 'cluttered' and difficult to fight on battlefield. I hope that with Old World I can get folks to do that as well, if only to create interesting battles. I'd plug the whole table rating video I did with a Conquest Content Creator, but that might be in poor form....

[@samkirkman3123]

Filled in the survey. Got to say that the numerous snarky remarks towards JTY were probably not necessary. You guys already kinda lost a bit of credit when you went off on one about the FAQ, calling it 'tragic' and having a metaphysical rant about what intent is. It honestly comes across as a bit entitled and petty. For context, I play regularly and went to an uncomped RTT at the weekend - it was completely fine. Having played in various 40k tournament standards over the years, most notably UKTC, I personally have found it distasteful to have a small number of people effectively decide the way the game is played. The UKTC circuit occasionally making fairly arbitrary balance changes and being fairly bland and uninteractive was part of the reason I stopped 40k at any reasonable level. I feel like trying to force 'comp' into this game is misguided at best and needs a light touch without taking away the essence of what is a hugely fun game. Appreciate what you guys do, and I hope some of the tone I'm getting from this is inferred rather than intended.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

We love JTY. We don't love bad FAQs. If the FAQ wasn't good, I'm gonna bet it's because of resources allocated, not because the designers don't wish they could do more. And we always say as much. The game might be fun, and it might have good vibes... but it's not a finished product. Those things can both be true. And if there's a balancing act we aim for, it's that.

[@samkirkman3123]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld Appreciate the response to clarify - whenever I see individuals highlighted I just get flashbacks to previous times individuals have recieved undue pilloring from the community. I have a general wariness for content creators (not you specifically) trying to angle their way into the game, especially if they have something to gain financially - again probably a reaction to how the 40k competitive ecosystem has evolved with some real ethical grey areas arising. I agree the game is not finished from the perspective of the support for legacy factions. They should have been a part of it and clearly were intended to be at some point. In general GW has massively underestimated the appeal of its specialist games. It would not surprise me that the congested release schedule and the rumoured upcoming Heresy 3.0 release has had an impact on the teams that work for the specialist games division.

[@skeith1543]

Don't be so sure about a Cathayan Dragon Lord being the 'worst in the game' due to being unmounted. Galrauch and the Warp Fire Dragon would like to have words with you.... from all 3 heads. Galraunch has 3+ armor and a built in 5+ Regen, in addition to being a lvl 4 mage and 3 different breath weapons, and would likely be a good look at what the Cathayan Dragons would be like. All of the mare spell casters after all. The Warpfire dragon, has a 4+ armor save and again, a built in 5+ Regen, who also gains a 5+ ward save vs magic or fire,while nulling all wards saves in a 3 inch aura besides his own. It also has an artillery Mortar style Breath weapon to shake things up a bit. Solo Dragons are not looking weak, if anything the ridden dragons need the riders to match up.

[@KoteDarasuum]

If the Cathayan Dragon has ability to switch between Dragon and Infantry role midgame like in Total War it would be interesting and unique thematic mechanic, but that might be slightly broken.

[@historyshmistory936]

I wholly agree. Regularly run a Warpfire Dragon in my WoC lists and it (normally) kicks ass

[@jamiesanchez8063]

Maybe if the Cathayan character can only be a dragon for one turn per game…?

[@Cripplerzeist]

Survey should include an over/under on the number of times the word 'pegging' is used in an episode. Currently 2.5.

[@GodrockTadaka]

Survey completed!

[@olith]

While I understand the tabletop miniature wargaming community's reluctance to make their own rules, it is sad so much creativity isn't applied as it is for tabletop RPGs and we miss out on so much potential cool content.

[@tyrannywargaming]

Survey completed! A little disappointed there wasn't any references to Hugo and his handsome face but oh well.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

we don't need a weatherman to know whether Hugo is sexy.

[@tyrannywargaming]

@SquareBasedOldWorld 😅

[@markolukic7824]

Done my part, wish you all the luck with your events and hope I get the chance to play in one should the opportunity present itself. Edit @ regarding the "Legacy" update question from my experience in both GW and later in T9A be prepared to be on the receiving end of mild annoyance, through hate all the way to receiving death threats.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

We've seen it before. It's a very heavy choice to make. Which is why I'd definitely prefer it if GW would just respond to their customers.

[@Gudbjarten]

FOR THE ALGORITHM 📯💪⚔️

[@willd5328]

Unpopular opinion: all terrain in competitive play events should be flat, neoprene area pieces. It’s cheaper, easier to transport and copy, and can be as cute as you want it to be without adding the hobby barrier of painting ANOTHER thing.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

We agree this could be a standard but eventually would like to see that evolve

[@tomdudley5314]

I play Flames of War and Battlefront issue 'Dynamic points' once or twice a year in which they release beta points, then a survey release new optional points that players can use, which is widely adopted. I can say it works well. It took Battlefront a while to come around to the idea but in the beginning, the game was heavily influenced by a certain meta with certain units under/over costsed that affected the game negatively. This was most profound in the beginning. ToW has many similarities to this in regards to the monster/magic/msu approach to competitive gaming which to me doesn't seem to reflect what ToW should be. I hope TOs are willing to try things and that players are open to points or rules changes (even if they're just optional) that aim to rebalance the game.

[@WeilderofMathematics]

Why don't you go to a train store and look at all the different trees they have there? You can get stuff with no leaves and get flocking or something to put on it. I don't even think it's that much more than 3D printing it? They have all kinds of different sizes of trees too.

[@warpaintjj]

Survey done 👍

[@jonhythelast]

Just finished it, I was tempted to say I write lists in an Abacus, but I sadly told the truth…

[@KcBull]

I love torchlight games! Please run an event there 😅

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

put in a good word for me!

[@nkari8971]

As long as my faction, VC, gets patched to be op the way I want it I am all for it. but on a serious note, I am ok with patches IF they are made by one or 3 ppl, released, and you have a survey page where ppl can leave 1 and I do mean 1 comment per person, like using an confirmed email or discord handle to minimize the potential abuse, regarding goos or bad feedback, then a month later, another update that is the live update with potettial feedback taken into account (or not) by said devs. I would be ok with this in regards to the general rules AND Renegade factions.

[@playfulruss4227]

On the clock question, aa well as a number of other questions, i felt it coild have had a "i don't know/have a strong opinion" answer, or not been mandatoru - instead by forcing an answer i feel it will not be genuinely accurate (certainly my answer was not!) I also feel there could have been more on "narrative" play, and what people have done to create non-competitive experiences. Overall lovely work, and i hope you are able to publish the anonymised data :)

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

It's all anonymous. Your data stays between you and Google... decided to not ruffle feathers by trying to build an email list off the back of it : )

[@playfulruss4227]

@SquareBasedOldWorld I more meant will you publish the results? So so so interested in what people write :) Also curious how much of a lasting impression things like WAP, 9th age and Warhammer Renaissance have left, beyond older editions.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Oh for sure. We'll talk about it and maybe even write about it first. But once we've had our fun I see no problem in sharing the results

[@playfulruss4227]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld that's brilliant - thank you :)

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

I did my part.

[@joesomebody1144]

I'M DOING MY PART!

[@judgechan9036]

*GO BILLS!*

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Oh buffalo....

[@MayhapsOmegon]

Hashtag squareblessed

[@mortyjhones4068]

Would love to taske part , but, I am not opening a Gogel acount just to fill in one servay. Good luck.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

all good. I'll see if there's a better platform for future attempts if we do one.

[@AndyPrzybyla]

Its a shame you couldn't split answers between real players and those doing online only?

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

I can... by filtering the responses : )

[@Tulkash01]

Rob trolling GW once again? Considering how anemic they have always been with market research and customer satisfaction (which he knows) I tend to think so… 😇

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Actually val took lead in this but I really support it

[@edwardmoores8748]

I have no interest in playing a Legacy faction. I want more people to play and so I am very supportive of bringing them back into the fold as core factions. However I would be very wary of any "community" led changes. I want a consistent game of warhammer using a common ruleset I do not want to have to internalise all the different special TO versions of legacy factions for different events. I just wouldn't attend an event that did it.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Hey fantastic - that's why we asked the question. Fill out the survey if you didn't have a chance.

[@edwardmoores8748]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld :) did it before I saw the video

[@zandosdwarf-king]

While I filled survey I think GW should disregard it's results completely. Surver made by KZbinrs will reach pretty much only people in their bubble who already agree on certain things - if they wouldn't they wouldn't have watched the same channel. Results are all big bubble

[@zandosdwarf-king]

Can't edid comment on a phone version of browser Apparently survey I filled is different from one being discussed

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Hah. Yes. As we were going through the results we realized it might be something others would be into. So far literally thousands of people agree. So thanks for filling it out!

[@ClintOrris]

A month after announcing and I still can't even order War Wagons. Nor is there any news on when we can. What a terrible business model

[@imalu5757]

You haven’t looked very hard…. Pre order starts this Saturday. Was announced on Sunday as per every release

[@ClintOrris]

@@imalu5757 I looked on Sunday night and saw only things for 40k. No Old World was up. And that was at 11pm EST in the US. Looks like the updated it AFTER Sunday.

[@mohamedmaiza3866]

17 page survey??? Bro what kind of attention span do you think i have

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

If youre like me it's very limited unless warhammer related. And then essentially infinite

[@crisismethodactor]

Feedback about the survey: Just wanna say, the list of wargames you have listed under "what do you play" is behind the times. Nobody is playing X Wing or Armada seriously anymore, Legion is much more popular these days.

[@sneakybeak4032]

Plenty still play those games

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

there are so many games. I just tried my best lol. Also from what I understand Shatterpoint ruined legion too... so hey.

[@markysgeeklab8783]

Someone should do a survey to find out

[@diredrin4412]

Ban gren knight

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Rob i know this is you

[@Adalon-]

38:38 dude keep politics out of this please. Come here for information on the hobby and game I love, not someone's passive aggressive political thoughts.

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Absolutely not. Trump is a rapist and fascist

[@SquareBasedOldWorld]

Hi there, it's Val. We've always made political comments and we always will. I'm sorry if this alienates you, but there are lots of creators out there who would be happy to not offend you in exchange for your viewership. Also you just took umbrage with the idea of defending "liberal values and reasonableness" which ... y'know... is pretty dang low on the pyramid of inflammatory political speech.

[@rea9247]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld lol cry harder

[@rea9247]

@@SquareBasedOldWorld you called Trump a rapist* and fascist from the channel account. Sounds pretty inflammatory to me.

[@historyshmistory936]

@@rea9247they’re facts, whether you like it or not

[@kerel995]

Old world is bad game with no soul with deckbuilding meta problems displacing most of other aspect of hobby. I still enjoy watching this show.

[@nublord365]

Old world has an old soul and the decks are quite robust!!!!

[@Iratepaddy]

I would have to disagree. It is a good game there are no problems old world has that 40k doesn’t have. The high tournament meta will always look weird compared to the average players army

[@playfulruss4227]

​@@Iratepaddy I think the problem I find is that meta is very much in local circumstances. It might be the Scottish community is very competitive but I find it beyond intimidating to really play as I just want a soft historical game - something that could genuinely happen in 2280 as a normal fight/story - not the genuinely apocalyptic-feeling armies people tend to field.

[@Iratepaddy]

@@playfulruss4227 thats definitely a localized problem there are two types of people so far I’ve seen in Canada at least. You have your sweaty tournament player who only really play once every month or two in tourneys. Then guys like l me who pop in after work for a game at the lgs here and there and those games are always super awesome most people cannot afford to make massive armies to the current meta and being either what they had in the 8th ed or they just use what came in the starters with some additions

[@playfulruss4227]

@@Iratepaddy I love the sound of you and your comrades - I am sure similar exist, but I'm struggling with tow because everyone seems to play maximum carnage locally - not what I want 😂

[@stephenlee7809]

Don’t run from your relationship responsibilities Rob. Your roommate is a constant star. 😂 🫶