Joker

[@thomasdanny7717]

It makes sense why Moondrop gave him the name Joker.

[@Mixail747]

because they were expecting "Are you kidding me?" to be the usual response

[@Tsukasa941]

That sure is an intro

[@CrustaceousB]

I loved it lol

[@paololololol]

You know you loved it

[@ondesk9943]

​@picarot.wos.here.😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Weareonenation303]

It's called Joker because Moondrop has been clowning around since the few last product releases not named Blessing 3.

[@paroxymal7688]

Jiu?

[@LuciferArc1]

Chu 2 was good. Starfield 2 was wasted potential

[@malithaw]

Jiu and Lan are good too. I prefer JIu over chu2. Chu 2 is a big disappointment.

[@LuciferArc1]

@@malithaw it's just a different flavor tbh. I prefer it over the hola

[@techblizmax9660]

Can someone explain why the Chu II is a disappointment@@malithaw

[@dumbzero]

this usually happens when the brand is in its comfort zone and they just don't care because people will buy as long as it is from moondrop

[@RP-kr2mg]

They think they are Sony

[@hartyewh1]

It's more about lacking the skill and knowledge to manufacture headphones. They have a R&D budget and a sales goal so they put out the product asap and see how it does. Common first gen issues.

[@Kraumyke]

I think the opposite, Moondrop has made 2 over ear headphones and they were both kinda bad, but the fact that they are trying again and again makes me think that they wanna get good at making over ear headphones too. It will just take a while before they strike gold. If they really wanted to never get out of their comfort zone they would make iem's for eternity and count their money. And I'm happy they're not because I always liked over ear headphones more than iem's and would like to see Moondrop make a budget banger in that department

[@flashjor98]

Another thing that should be noted is that it's a studio monitoring headphone. Which would explain a lot of the choices they made.

[@NutchanonC]

Is it? I don't really recall them saying it's a monitor. Maybe I missed it.

[@aeror130]

​@@NutchanonCthey have a prototype that only has one side of the cup and is used in studios

[@flashjor98]

@@NutchanonC that's what it says in their product page. Unless there's another, it's a studio headphone.

[@Gizaudio]

It doesn't explain anything really, because monitoring headphones can usually take a beating, these will break. Also any headphones can be monitoring headphones. Joker ain't special this way.

[@martinmonett7641]

moondrop's 2023 has been so mediocre

[@WatamelonUberSheep]

Truthear headphones when?

[@jonix24mejor]

I just wonder, why would Moondrop launch these kind of "bad ideas" (kinda like the Aria snow too) but then launch products like the Space Travel that are a pretty strong pair of TWS for the price, or the Chu 2.

[@hartyewh1]

You can't develop a product forever. Actually pushing to market asap is better even if the product isn't great. You learn about your customers, the product and so on and then you can start working on an improvement.

[@jonix24mejor]

@@hartyewh1 yeah, but that product development cost money, i dont see how just "learning" from it its a good business plan, also, i think is kind of obvious after watching that curve that the sound would not be that popular for people in general. I seen so many times now companys making just poor decisions out of the blue that i dont really believe the story that they know what they are doing (companys in general), so i just wonder, what really make them do It? You don't need any special market test, or expert, to know that a mediocre product is not going to be liked very much, at this point the only test they could be doing is to see if their customers will buy anything they launch no matter how mediocre it is.

[@hartyewh1]

@@jonix24mejor It's like any investment. You cut your losses and learn from your mistakes. Not releasing it would be worse and the next model will likely be rather different in core design.

[@ninjashuriken]

What was wrong with the Aria Snow? (I might be biased since its the IEM I am using right now but still)

[@jonix24mejor]

@@ninjashuriken nothing "wrong" but also nothing actually "good", when i mentioned it i mean that it was a bad idea, not a bad product, cause Snow were different fron the normal Aria but most people did not like it better than the OGs (kind of more shouty, less bassy) so, moondrop could just basically launch the Arian snow with another name (like just plain Snow) and dont try to ride the fame train with the Aria name. Reviewers looked at it as a different, kind of worst tunned, Aria, cause the name was missleading, if you see reviews now, or ask for recomendations, most people dont even mention them, probably because of the bad rep of being "less good Aria" instead of a good $80 vocal centered IEM.

[@destiny_xd9126]

So its better than m50x in technical performance (just like void)?

[@CrustaceousB]

Good Lord that intro had me thinking I'd accidentally put on an uncle Roger video. Kind of sounded like a fuiyoooooo!

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

Please try a tws, soundoeats engine 4

[@jacqn6706]

Too bad. Was looking for a closed back and saw this popping up on one of the well known chifi stores but sadly it does not sound like a winner. Thanks for the vid.

[@ArkSylv]

I'm an idiot when it comes to looking at frequency charts and comparing sound. I absolutely love my KATO iems, and was wondering how they compare the the Joker.

[@SaveMeAzathoth]

Suspect the audience for this is less “people who like this particular strange tuning choice” than “people who like them physically and are willing to resort to EQ”.

[@En_Joshi-Godrez]

But you could just buy a K361. Lmao

[@krayozmines]

​@@En_Joshi-Godrezor k371 if u want bass. Either one will be a better choice

[@ANOLE_VX]

For the price, just get the HE400se, but yeah an open back.

[@RobertMartino98]

that FR looks like delta airlines earbuds little brother

[@rustyshakelford1466]

CAL! $50, portapro $35, KSC-75 $20, or any decent Superlux would blow these away. At $80 it's not much a stretch to $100 where there are more options as well. I don't think there is any saving these. Moondrop doesn't have enough experience to make even a decent headphone at this price without sourcing from an OEM.

[@hartyewh1]

This release is the experience.

[@Crimsuna]

Review the Hidizs MP145 pleaseeeeeeeee

[@KanyeWestFan69]

I think this is particularly designed for monitoring while recording music performance. The sibilance for example can be for allowing the singer to hear their voice more clearly.

[@CammyFi]

You don't need that much shout to clearly monitor vocals

[@KanyeWestFan69]

@@CammyFi really depends on the singer’s preference I’d say. Personally as a singer, I find many more neutral closed backs sounding a bit too muffled for comfortably monitoring my singing. The extra brightness and the mid range scoop can be quite useful to counteract the muffle. However this is only my guess and I haven’t tried joker at all.

[@warth45]

Phillips shp9500 is great for under $100 headphone

[@Unkn0wnz_anon]

They look like the Oppo PM-3s

[@BruhCh]

the thumbnail explain everything

[@iisakei2369]

Even if it could be folded, this quality would likely break eventually if carried around. No, it may break even if you don't carry it around.

[@zanproject6525]

Best intro Q3

[@CammyFi]

Timmy spitting only the facts

[@itsFisch]

Not so sure I agree with your take here. Personally, I feel like Moondrop is chasing the Sony MDR-7506 with this headphone. Tuning looks similar (DF-ish with mid bass bump), specs are similar, but prices undercuts the MDR by about 50%. I can see a world where a smaller studio would swap out their older MDRs for these but with half the costs.

[@BryTe22]

I'm not sure about the tuning of the MDR but like what Timmy said. If you don't like bass then get an open back headphones. It will have a wider soundstage and less bass.

[@synyska]

for the folding thing with headphones, it really depends. because i've found even the most well built folding headphones tend to break easier than normal headphones. and when it comes to taking hi-fi $500+ headphones if im taking them with me its on a long ride or somewhere i have time to relax meaning i don't mind if its a bigger case to accommodate it not being able to fold

[@rustyshakelford1466]

Most headphones have crappy hinge design with obviously weak stress points but you can make a quality folding mechanism. The Sony MDR-v6 and it's cousins have had folding hinges since the 90s and they last forever. Even the folding hinge in the portapro is good despite being made largely of plastic.

[@mehmetgurdal]

I've been thinking about this but I have to be sure; can't we use a multidriver system on over ear headphones? No I'm not talking about ba drivers, can't we just use 2 dynamic drivers in tandem to have a good sound signature? One would be a dedicated subwoofer and the other would cover the rest. Most budget headphones are either tuned to have 4db bass and messed up mids treble etc or somewhat good mids yet no bass at all. Or you can fuck it up and call it a gaming headset. I want to experiment on this.

[@rustyshakelford1466]

Because headphones are a lot harder to tune/design than an IEM where you can just project sound directly into someone's ear canal. There are a lot more reflections and other physical interactions to account for. For one thing you can't just put drivers almost anywhere like with an IEM, they have to be pointed more or less directly at the ear for good sound, so doing that with multiple drivers is difficult.

[@mehmetgurdal]

@@rustyshakelford1466 so? We use 2 30 mm drivers stacked side by side. I'm not saying let's fill the earcup with drivers, those physical 7.1 headphones tried and failed at that already

[@braegrimes8870]

Honestly, at $80 I’m trying to find a decent competitor. I should receive my set in a few days so I’ll wait to hear for myself, but the entire idea of headphones like this are to be “monitors”. I play in pit orchestras from time to time and if I can get away with open backs, I’ll take my HD650s to the gig, but they’re expensive and the build quality is really average for 5 times the $ of the joker. If they seal well, and aren’t too sibilant, they could be ideal for the scenario I think they are aiming this headphone at. You want vocal separation when playing musicals and usually in a pit it gets unruly (especially since most of the rhythm section will be DI’d except the drums).

[@vscythe_]

shure srh440 is 100$ and they go as low as 60$, and their tuning might be just on par with the hd600

[@En_Joshi-Godrez]

Litereally the k361. There, buy.

[@tanmayredkar4082]

Outro song?

[@Rsalmond83]

Fitting name

[@sasakijung]

I think you should try more portable headphones so you can compare it. There are several of them, cheaper than Joker. Porta Pro, KSC75/35, KPH30/40, M50x/40x, SHP9500/9600 I own some these of headphones and I pretty sure that sound far better than Joker.

[@synyska]

More interested in Moondorp's new TWS than Joker.

[@moots27]

someone clip that intro for discord sound clip

[@FaizalKuntz]

Joker, is this out of season April fool's joke ??

[@LuciferArc1]

Just get an m40x and slap hm5 pads on it...or go for the msr7 or msr7b. If you want something thats has good vocals but not a lot of bass. Still good bass just not the focus. Moondrop simply dropped the ball. Audio technica already did this style of tuning much better

[@cassini7677]

Just like void not so interest maybe this first moondrop make bugdet headpone but for venus no comment price and level is different too XD. Still curious thieaudio ghost hmmm

[@shadowroxas2086]

Just wanted to know but have you tried to EQ it to your tastes? Obviously it wont change the rating but im curious if there is any improvement at all.

[@willsbox635]

The descriptions sound EXACTLY like m50x.

[@cadmiumpureland]

It’s not for audiophiles nor for music listening. For monitoring only, like when u record yourself singing, u hear the music and your own voice, this helps in synchronisation. Or in a public event, there’s various sources with different loudness, and u can tune their volume to the correct level.

[@Gizaudio]

99% of other headphones on the market can do the same job. Joker ain't special nor good for this role.

[@Rsalmond83]

Moondorp

[@uchuk7623]

Yes moondorp

[@RaphaelStarr]

So…. Did you like them? 😂

[@Diijkstra]

Moondrop been spamming products in the last 3 month. like wtf quantity over quality

[@gmlgml780]

Yeah. Did U see the name. It's called Joker.

[@gmlgml780]

So it will hurt.

[@ilpastor]

Akg 361 it's the answer

[@CammyFi]

True

[@zyvixm]

Moondrop No

[@pisderata]

moondrop troller

[@uchuk7623]

I could imagine that happening

[@Gustav0Silva]

😭😭😭...

[@basti329]

79 dollars and it has worse build quality than some super cheap beats knock offs. Not even the tuning can save it. Moondrop banking on their name to sell this thing i think. They didn't learn with the void it seems. At least the name is fitting here, joker of a product

[@wiesolos]

After moondrop reached its peak with variation, this company just went downhill.

[@emervilla]

A joke indeed 😅

[@BS99999]

@gizaudio good video, totally agree these suck ass. For a laugh and totally wrong take watch intoit reviews review.

[@Thepapoyboyz]

moondrop literally "joke" in this product 😂

[@etiennedesjardins5511]

I know graph are not everything but man…this one nope

[@ancientalien815]

Why do they keep making these shitty headphones......

[@GuangyuanKong]

moonslop