JON HEDER talks Will Ferrell on Ice, Napoleon Dynamite Sequel, Ditching Hollywood & Crazy Stories

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Jon Heder (Napoleon Dynamite, Blades of Glory) joins us this week and talks about the feeling of ‘constantly being an outsider’ coming to Hollywood from a humble upbringing in the PNW and then heading back to Washington after years in the film industry.
Jon shares some crazy stories from his family history that helped shape him into the anxiety and stress free man that he is today.
We also get into (of course) our shared bond of horror, why Napoleon Dynamite never had a sequel, and Jon’s memorable run-ins with Will Ferrell, James Cameron, and Ali G.
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Jon Heder talks Will Ferrell on Ice, Napoleon Dynamite Sequel, Ditching Hollywood & Crazy Family Stories #insideofyou #jonheder #napoleondynamite #michaelrosenbaum

[@jcmaguire]

I still remember back in 2012, I was at the Chicago Comic Con, and being a huge Smallville fan, of course I had to get Michael's autograph. As I went up to his table, which was right beside Jon Heder's, I saw them having fun and throwing stuff at each other. Heder then threw a pen cap at Rosenbaum, which bounced off the table and hit me. Michael grabbed the pen cap, threw it back, and jokingly yelled, "Don't throw stuff at my fans!" So I'll always be able to say I got into a pen cap battle between Lex Luthor and Napoleon Dynamite.

[@joec7217]

I'd like to imagine it hit you in the face kinda like how the steak hit Napoleon on the bike

[@0nevadajim]

Thanks for sharing 👍

[@mondomacabromajor5731]

gold ... too funny...

[@johnmichael_]

This is great 😂😂

[@michaelcooperwoti]

Thats an awesome story!! I was at comic Con and saw my neighbor sitting at the strawberry shortcake table I was like what in the world! She said I thought that's why I thought you were always so nice, I had no idea my neighbor was the voice of strawberry shortcake

[@marvinshenk]

Napoleon Dynamite is a one of a kind stand alone film in it's own genre. It's kind of like the movie "A Christmas Story". I still watch Napoleon Dynamite at least once a year. I think this Christmas I'm going to start a tradition of watching it every Christmas.

[@KUarentaKILLA]

Great comment

[@theresemarkham9387]

I throughly enjoyed this week’s episode. Jon is delightful and he has such a calming presence about him. His stories about his dad were fascinating. His behind the scenes stories were delightful. He has such a great perspective especially when it comes to how he is raising his kids. He has such a calming presence.

[@lindamawdsley6130]

This was an interesting and fun episode, Jon definitely has a very laidback approach to life which gives him a calm and reassuring vibe. I loved the story you both told at the beginning about the man on his phone at the airport and Michael’s retort (wish I could have seen it)💖

[@wendyc2879]

Great episode!! I’m the weird person that never cared for the Napoleon Dynamite movie so it was interesting to get to know more about John. Thanks Michael!!

[@JEBossTon92]

Awesome guest!! Napoleon Dynamite is absolutely legendary! Thanks Rosie and Ryan!!

[@vanmoody]

Could you see Jon's character on Benchwarmers was in a sense Napoleon Dynamite 2?

[@Candymantempting41]

I loved how Jon described Jim (his dad) as their “resident Vulcan” immediately following the explanation that he and his siblings were into film… dropping a movie reference… that was great. I joined the Church in 1996. My tie to Jon is unknown to him, but we actually rode the bus together and I remember the twins’ bus stop on Glen Creek. He knows my wife and her family, as they grew up together. Heck, he might even know me, by name anyways, I don’t know. Later on, his dad was my single adults’ bishop when I returned home from finishing my mission in 2000. His dad is awesome, super kind, very smart, etc., I can attest to that character. Napoleon Dynamite was shown to me by my younger brother when I came home from my mission. I’ll admit, I didn’t get it at first. I was like, “What is this?” Not a traditional film at that time. But now, I can (and do) quote that flick. That film is actually a real gem, GOSH! Wish Jon and the family the best! ❤️

[@MakeLifeExtraordinary]

I think his laid-back mentality, like mine, is a product of growing up in smaller towns with calmer people. I also think it has a lot to do with your parents and how they raise you. My mom allowed my brother and I the freedom to not only learn things, but do things ourselves. She would be there to guide us, but not interfere, unless she knew it was detrimental. I was born an explorer. I would purposely get lost just to find a new way home. I think the combination of that, and the area I grew up in, was what made me how I was, and I am. I don’t let much bother me, even if an issue arises. As I always feel with enough thought, and positive action, that you can pretty much get through anything. That doesn’t mean I haven’t been through hard stuff in my life, sure, I have just like anybody else. But, letting it get to, you will only make things worse by making you more upset, and might hinder your progress in solving the problem. Whereas, if you keep a cool, calm head, and , think it through… You have a better chance of solving the issue quicker.

[@carlg7535]

How the hell does this not have huge views. These interviews are great

[@leannepritchett6323]

Very fun and candid interview between two old friends. Best way to start off this cold and blustery winter day. Thank you . 🙏🏻❤️

[@Kalloth]

Hey Michael, i know theirs a slight chance that you won't see this but im proud of you. I know you worry your podcast isn't enough and its always a delight when i see a new episode. As a content creator myself, i get it that you don't always believe it. I look forward to more episodes and thanks for being honest as always about everything. Keep up the great work.

[@ceedeebee6423]

wow!! John Heder you have my total love and respect for sharing your faith!! So RARE in Hollywood!!! You are just AWESOME!!

[@mscandylevar2444]

So glad you got Jon back on the pod, Love when you both did the patreon for Horror movies. Another awesome episode Michael 👏

[@dominique9187]

I learned so many things about John Hender, especially about his positive outlook on life and his career ❤ Hé has an amazing family and that helps a lot !! Thanks to you, Michael, i discover enriching stories every time 💙💙🙌🙌

[@rebeccaloboborges7015]

Thank you for the great interview! Now I wanna see Napoleon Dynamite

[@JohnS_mith]

You were correct Michael Rosenbaum to mock an obnoxious loud talker on his cell. Jon Heder is wrong.

[@arne8158]

totally

[@shannonblakely5963]

Tater tots, chapstick, Tina, Lafonda, Idaho, vote for Pedro, side ponytail, liger. My favorite parts of Napoleon Dynamite

[@Gunny672]

My buddy was in his Boy Scout Troop. He always talks about the positive impact his Dad had on his himself and his fellow Boy Scouts.

[@DarkroomMedia007]

20:57 lol right, I don't think about crying I think about being on the side of the road with car problems.

[@theresemarkham9387]

Loving this episode so far. I am learning so much about him. His dad sounds like an interesting guy.

[@mackat7865]

Mr Rosenbaum! 🌹I can't tell you how freakin excited I am to find your podcast! I found Inside of You while stumbling upon Talk Ville, {yes I live under a rock} so I'm watching like 2 or 3 older podcast, and some new ones, a day while at work and just loving them! Like a kid in a candy store when I go through your channel! Loved the Jon Header interview. We rarely get to see him, so appreciate him doing this with you❤️

[@Joseph-ed6hl]

38:00 Sequel talk. Weird because I watched the movie again a day ago then this podcast came out lol

[@jeremydelagarza8317]

This episode really spoke to me today, your discussion on pushing yourself to do your best and trusting yourself was awesome to listen to. Thanks Michael, Ryan and Jon you guys rock:)

[@MoietyVR]

As an eagle scout myself that story was amazing.

[@DawnFischer25]

Such a good episode. And yes, the safety as a child is definitely the root of anxiety I do believe. God bless you both. And I love that Jon was so direct but kind about calling out bullying. A standup guy and a great friend to you for sure Michael. My favorite interview thus far. Thanks for sharing.

[@dawnbevins451]

I know who Jon Heder is!!! 😆 I love learning about people I don't know on this podcast, but Jon I am aware of, I loved Napoleon Dynamite and Blades of Glory! 😄 It was great to learn more about Jon, he seems like such chill and good-natured person, and it was really interesting hearing about his dad - this was a really enjoyable listen. Thanks Jon, Rosey and Ryan ❤

[@Schmidteren]

We need a movie where Lex Luthor hires a prodigee. Napoleon Dynamite. Molds him into becoming the ruler of the world. Tots for everyone!

[@bobperry2578]

Loved seeing you guys yesterday in Pittsburgh. You were so nice. Thanks.

[@jaimemkirby]

Oh my gosh!! The crystals line is my favorite line!!! 😆😆😆😆I’m always quoting it out of context, but only 10% of the time the other person will get the reference!

[@jec3676]

He went to the same high school as me(different year) and his dad was my doctor for a few years.

[@Brook11223]

John Heder one of the guest host with Don Johnson during 2010's WWE Raw.

[@SodoMojo22]

Some people are just down to earth fascinating. Jon Heder is one of them. Great discussion.

[@danielbrown1724]

Loved Blades of Glory Side note, Jon needs some sleep Dope interview

[@karenbennett7085]

Loved it! Wish you could bring back Where have all the good horror movies gone podcast!

[@johnnyresin]

I just discovered this podcast and look forward to delving into it deeper! Looks like you get some great guests 💚

[@ritagibson1049]

Just started watching yesterday and iv been watching off and on all day today!!! Love the podcasts!!!!

[@karengarrow5579]

I will always remember Michael Rosenbaum in urban legend saying any hoo I had never heard of that saying till that movie it has always stuck with me

[@fujidenzo_kid4147]

I did not realize this is his normal way of talking LOL

[@1badjesus]

JON'S A GREAT FATHER. I was workin part time at the 5 an dime.. DOH! (sorry couldn't help it).. AT Sherman Oaks Bloomies rather, years ago. I noticed this dad going up n down escalator with his toddler daughter in arms laughing in hysterics..I thought "what a cool dad" ...double take an saw it was Heder... dude was smiling ear to ear...I always remembered his expression of joy 🙂.

[@nathansmith8613]

My dad is dealing with health problems feel ya Jon

[@DoggmaticProductions]

ND lines are our basic vocabulary at my home with my teenage kids...

[@Gunny672]

I would love to see an exploration of what middle-aged Napolean would be. Even if it was a short skit on Funny or Die. It should probably have Al Yankovic included as a easter egg.

[@LiLisa24]

Can’t wait to listen/watch this one!! Thank you Michael ❤ Hope you have an amazing week!! ^_^ Happy Tuesday 💙

[@danielhixson3717]

Jon sounds like a great guy, I'm glad there was never a sequel, one was great and I doubt lightening can strike twice.

[@RadicalValkyrie]

Im SO glad they didn't do a sequel to Napoleon Dynamite. Its such a fantastic singular film. I was shocked that Canned Heat was in the film for his dance scene. My favourite band.

[@joannamantz5316]

Those of us from Preston, ID consider Napoleon Dynamite a documentary. 😄

[@sebbvell3426]

Is that Napoleon Dynamite?!

[@johnmichael_]

Really really loved this episode 🙏

[@lizstoutenour1856]

I am super sad that I missed Jon's screening in Elkhart, IN...

[@MoietyVR]

Finally! His old ep is lost to time

[@colette6984]

I've never cried like I did from when my dad died. It was from my depths.

[@wisperingbeard]

1:08:50 John, if you’re reading this, read Algernon Blackwood’s The Wendigo. It’s absolutely terrifying. One of the scariest short stories of all time. And as far as I know it’s never been adapted. I can’t believe a guy like Rosey with all the horror shit hanging on his walls hasn’t ever heard of the Wendigo.

[@saturdaymornings7476]

Tell Jon to check out "Antlers" if he hasn't already seen it. Since he was talking about Wendigo movies this might be up his alley.

[@ace360]

Favorite part of Tuesday 💙🤘

[@nex9388]

On season 4 of Smallville. Watching it again on Amazon Prime. Make sure they are paying you. hahaha. I just watched the episode where you split into two. Loving the podcast, man. I am sad they do not make you Lex Luther again. You really are the best Lex Luther. My judgement is not clouded by nostalgia, either. It has been so long since I first watched it that it is like watching it again. This is after watching all DCs other shows. Smallville is it. It is DCs best show. I want to see you come tear it up in the new Superman movies. Really give Clark some issues. One can dream.

[@8656737s]

This was awesome! ❤❤❤

[@jdaywork2693]

Cool to see Jon Heder! Loved him in ND and Surf's Up 1! Any chance of getting Gary Oldman?

[@CrAZychicke]

Psyched! Loved Jon in Just Like Heaven and Blades of Glory.

[@hannahboebanna]

This is ads with Jon Heder interview sprinkled in

[@itstreasonthen6660]

Haha I freaking love this show!!! 😀 keep up the good work fellas 👏 👌 👍

[@davidfraser7992]

LOVE THE DECOR ESECIALLY THE EVIL DEAD POSTER!!!! FLEXIN WITH LEXIN!!!

[@GT12225]

I harass my children with “EAT THE FOOD TINA!!!” when they’re being fussy about what’s in front of them.

[@stephaniebergeron1030]

Awesome Love your pod cast

[@essahsaeidi5543]

loved the episode! interesting to hear about the work his father did, and all your horror talk! I am wondering if Jon Heder would do voice work. the book isn't done and therefore isn't an animated film project yet. I have a story, and I feel like after listened to this he could bring something special to it. It has a long way to go before its finished but he'd be cast as one of the top characters that has already been established.

[@HilltopZombieShop]

Where is the paranormal investigation show you guys were working on????

[@sebbvell3426]

"Vote for Pedro"

[@System-ly6de]

love ur work Michael, my fav live-action Lex Luthor

[@Dr.satan94]

I wonder if he lives in the Vancouver WA area. That’s right near me!

[@CompeteDefeat]

What do we have to do to get a sequel to Poolhall Junkies?

[@markschessow8029]

No way! Me and my twin brother were made in Japan! I always gave my Mom gruff about not birthing us there so we could have dual citizenship.

[@otadashi1570]

Yeah, I've lived in Tokyo for the last 30 years and didn't see ND until just a few years ago. Jon saying "sh%t, unbelievable" in Japanese was very good pronunciation. Unfortunately, there is no way Japanese people would get ND, or even be able to translate it would be impossible. I was born in Corvallis Oregon about 30 minutes from where Jon grew up.

[@angelmoon8114]

Love Jon!!! 😂and check out the movie, “ ALONE “ with Marc Menchaca idk if I spelt that right lol. Came out in 2020.. awesome horror / thriller movie!!!! 🍿 ❤🎉

[@dpippenger5762]

There were a lot of moments where I thought Heder was more like uncle Rico in the face, beard and eyes at times to me maybe just a bit.

[@Algorithmicgeneratedwordsalad]

The thumbnail John looks like the actor who plays Uncle Rico

[@mineshgovender6310]

Jon needs to be in the next Avatar.

[@wade_says]

I wish Napoleon Dynamite would have a sleepover at my house.

[@murrayspiffy2815]

I love technology.

[@floydmills8963]

Just remember Micheal, Mr. Miyagi said no such thing as bad student, only bad teacher. When you we're talking about religion with John, you have to realize you get what you put in, just like therapy. If you would like to take a chance on a specific teacher, Pastor Brian Smith of The First Heavy Metal Church Of Christ is very down to earth, he is also a lead singer in a secular metal band. Peace and love y'all 🤟

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Rosey! Thanks, Ryan! Thanks, Jon! 🎙 #InsideOfYouWithMichaelRosenbaum #MichaelRosenbaum #JonHeder

[@ClimbingEasy]

8:18 it is not the Silver Beaver. It is the Silver Buffalo.

[@danielporter3922]

This is the first time I’ve heard your podcast(despite being a fan), and I really enjoyed it. I must say that I am always surprised that Jon being fluent in Japanese NEVER seems to come up. Why is that?

[@damxcv]

56:41 where he talks about will Ferrell

[@Michael-pi5qh]

SO, BASICALLY!...

[@danskijonez]

A decent movie about a Wendigo was Antlers.

[@MrBayoublue]

john talking about the look from his dad reminds me of the im just disappointed line. damn that sucked

[@henryfeil5616]

Any chance of a re-stock on the "Best Lex Luthor" shirts in your store?

[@Unqualifiedmedicalperson]

The Black Phone, lackluster? I disagree. That was my 4th favorite movie of the year!

[@nex9388]

It is awesome how Nerdy they made him look for that movie. I also moved from the place I was born at the age of 2. People do ask where you are born and if hey start mentioning stuff about it. You are like, 'ah well, I moved when I was 2.' then an awkward silence like it doesn't matter. "yeah, I was just born there where my soul beamed down from my star position. I mean, what else, right?" Jk hahaha. Now we have the debate on at what time does the soul enter? Does Jon have Japanese soul? From what star system are you! Okay I am done. hahaha.

[@ryuraizo4756]

Jon, if by some miracle you see this comment abd you want to see a "wendigo" horror piece. Play Until Dawn. Great horror story in a video game

[@TheCreepypastaChannel]

If you do cameos could I get you to do a small voice acting role in a short story i am producing?

[@johnwarring2337]

Heder should get his Dad a little plot on a campground and a camper. Old people love that shit. It's outdoors and bingo and ponds/lakes and people..... and cheap.

[@crookedchicken]

Woooo!!

[@ericlingley7951]

Love Jon. Funny dude. Wish him well.

[@tompollockjr144]

Today's lesson... Never rent a movie for $19.99. Just buy it for $22 digitally.

[@ArmandoOriz_]

Or stream it for free

[@jlavigne1155]

REMAKE Attack of the Killer Tomatos. Jon is right for it

[@vanmoody]

I would like someone to do a better version of The Guyver, a film from 91 starring Mark Hamill.

[@Hayhoestudios]

*_I agree with you on Black Phone. Very lame movie and the trailer gave away the whole movie. If you guys want to see a good Horror movie, you should check out the film RIDESHARE! Great podcast gentlemen!_*

[@blueflash1374]

You should get Will Friedle on

[@cybotjoe20]

awesome gosh

[@cybotjoe20]

i got starstruck when i met zack snyder and stan lee

[@verisimilitude8660]

He didn't ditch Hollywood, Holywood ditched him.

[@adamhoffoss5768]

I enjoyed The Black Phone. Personally, I don't consider it a horror movie. Iit's got the elements, but I'm more inclined to call it a Drama.