Jon Stewart on Why Men Are Leaving the Left with Richard Reeves & Annie Lowrey | The Weekly Show

[@davidsmithy123]

Why are young men moving right? Lets ask everyone - except young men.

[@Dragon-Believer]

Maybe stop being so sexist against men? No. It's too late. They should have stopped 10 years ago. Men will not forget.

[@dontokoi1]

And then wokescold them for being wrong when they tell us.

[@wobblemind]

It would be a valid exercise but it's nearly futile. I have a couple of nephews who represent the kind of people talked about but when I asked them why they thought the way they thought or would vote (cuz they didn't vote), they didn't know. They were just spewing shit they heard on CoD or tik tok, reels. I have a feeling the vast majority of these young men are the same. There's no moral, thoughtful or any sort of fabric for which they make a decision. They heard something and that's what they focus on. Soooo, wtf so you do with that? They're completely disengaged and seem to act out of reflex. Completely baseless values. I also think it's a small window of a bigger issue with Gen Zs. Edit: Before checking out of this thread, I wanna say many of you are missing my point. Just attacking my message and experience without any valid rebuttal (your complaining doesn't invalidate my points) just by telling me "you're judgmental, not nice, etc" doesn't get you anywhere. All I did was share my experience with these young men/people and my observations. I don't have any feelings whatsoever about it other than sadness and hopelessness but I have zero hostilities nor do I think less of them - I wanna help them! My comments are my observations. If you get triggered by them, then clearly something about them speaks to you. Check yourself. All I keep reading is victim-playing and complaining about issues that people are trying to understand (including the video and myself) on how to help better. Instead of complaining, hating and shutting people out, f****ing speak up, organize and share what it is that you f****ing want. Don't complain every time people get it wrong, then f****ing say something. It's the kind of passiveness that's useless; to just shut down anything you think is wrong and not doing anything constructive about it. No one can guess wtf is wrong with you. Though there are many studies suggesting what Gen Zs are going through. If you all feel like an struggling group or whatever, speak up! Just like any other group has in the past like African Americans, Hispanics, women, gays, etc. Your struggle is NOT new and frankly, everyone is probably going through something similar and feels similarly in various degrees. F*ck, I'm a nobody. I'm a 38 yo, unemployed, frustrated and can't find work. But because I can think past my nose, I am not gonna point fingers and blame other people for my situation, be angry, lash out, hate people or on people and act based on feelings alone. That gets us Trump world. Stop acting like a victim and make your needs heard. Perhaps it's something that will come with experience but don't blame and hate people who are actually trying to understand you if you're not willing to say wtf it is that you need. After you do that, then welcome to the fight of trying to change government to get us to a better place. That's been a longer fight than you've/we've been alive. So I bid y'all a good night and peace the eff out 🎤

[@anirudhmenon4234]

@@wobblemind That is highly anecdotal and straight up stereotypical.

[@Dragon-Believer]

They don't know any men. Look at their commercials. They tried to make commercials with regular men and they couldn't find any.

[@kellybixby906]

"You can not run on the audacity of hope and govern with the timidity of the possible." That's something.

[@bathtub_marmot]

Timidity of the possible is great for the 65+ demographic’s stock portfolios and home values. What we’re witnessing is when a generation that was so numerous that it could run the legislative agenda for 50 years becomes the less-dominant voice.

[@SabinStargem]

This is exactly why I was so disappointed with Obama's first term. He had all the cards, then surrendered them to the conservatives during his first two years. I really hope that John Stewart makes an 'Audacity of Cope' book that goes into the failures of the Democratic elite.

[@kellybixby906]

I feel like leaders with good intentions who pass difficult and complicated legislation that entirely intends to help people, need to pay mind to how these things actually get implemented and remove bureaucratic roadblocks. Republicans just swoop in and take advantage of this difficult work getting held up. They do nothing productive except for rich people, they just manipulate and take advantage of that complexity. The electorate needs to have a leader who can both implement and constantly INSPIRE the good work needed.

[@bathtub_marmot]

@@kellybixby906 I thought that’s what Kamala was? Shattering barriers, etc. I’d argue the last election demonstrates that more people are simply interested in having a decent job and an affordable mortgage.

[@SabinStargem]

@@kellybixby906 Honestly, I have the impression that people of mediocre action tend to be far more successful than those who work in competent silence. By not crowing to the heavens about intentions and successes, the Democrats have allowed the Republicans to set the tone for...everything, really. Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin, and Lincoln may have been smart, but more importantly, they were assertive.

[@WorgenDeath]

I am pretty disappointed with this episode. I am a young man in my late 20's (not from the US) that struggles with mental health including some very dark thoughts, a lack of purpose, social isolation, being unable to accept myself for who I am, I have always voted for the left and always will because I know they try to make things better, but it is 100% true that the left has not addressed men's issues for fear of being seen as misogynist for doing so. This episode was no different, it would have been an excellent opportunity to talk about these things, instead the topic pivoted to women's issues any time we got close to a relevant question about men's issues. I don't think there is anything wrong with supporting women's issues and talking about them, women should have equal rights to men, they should have bodily autonomy, they should be paid fairly, they shouldn't be subject to sexual harassment, sexual assault, domestic violence, but just because those things are important doesn't mean that we can't talk about things that the other half of the population are struggling with. And talking about women's issues in an episode explicitly framed as one where men's issues would be addressed is exactly why the right has been able to trick men into thinking they care even if they don't, because their something to a lot of men is better than the left's nothing.

[@Sitbear]

It’s sad that even you have to quality your statements by first acknowledging women’s issues. The reverse never happens

[@curiosminds19]

Hang in there man. The media, never care about men. None of the concern about men problem in this new age is ever discussed seriously And if it does, the woman in the panel would always somehow make it all about them and began listing the grievances of their ancestors like some kind of grievance Olympics

[@BrendanCescon]

This is so OBVIOUSLY true and I can't believe people on the left are still making this mistake

[@onesquirrel2713]

Remember: even when you are struggling and don't see a way out, things can get better. I can say that with certainty because I felt pretty miserable in my twenties, but my thirties have been pretty great. Not saying that is necessarily the case for you, just that it is very possible!

[@pudchickie]

I am so sad for you that you feel isolated, feel bad about yourself and have 'dark thoughts.' I too have dark thoughts. You seem like a really thoughtful, sensitive, intelligent young guy and you brought up some important points that I wish someone in the dem party would listen to. The dems have forsaken us, so much so that I am no longer a registered dem and I didn't vote for holocaust harris or any dem candidate BC they're not LISTENING to us, the people that elected them. I sincerely hope you can find some peace and connection soon.

[@nawbrah2841]

Jon or anyone on his team, I doubt you’ll read this comment but that breakdown at the end was heartbreaking. And literally confirmed everything said about Democrats ignoring men. To have the entire conversation hand waved away by the two women at the end as basically, “Don’t like being ignored men? Sucks to suck” or “Yeah…nope, it’s a sexist nation and all y’all are sexists for not voting Kamala” is exactly the type of behavior your guest warned about. The fact that they walked face first into his point and still missed it is utterly breathtaking.

[@RM-xf9gi]

Well, at least you have power over those ladies' bodies. I guess you have the last laugh?😅

[@RM-xf9gi]

On the island of Amazon women, you would be the minority, the vulnerable one, and the Democrats/liberals would be protecting you. Liberals always defend the underdog and will attack the unjust powers. You seem a little too sensitive about being a white male in the United States of America. When you are the minority in America, liberals will be there for you, too.

[@Kronman590]

I feel like a lot of this comment section is condensing a 1 hour podcast to a single line. Yes, that bit at the end where Jon and the gang basically said "men are complaining but women have been suffering forever too" is pretty tonedeaf, but the entire rest of the podcast was about how men have issues, they aren't being addressed properly by the Dems, and how the Cons took advantage of that by giving men a different enemy to hate. I still think this conversation was a very productive one but looking at the comments youd think nothing of substance was discussed at all.

[@link8689]

as moderate liberal on social issue u can not divide country up base on groups(man vs woman)

[@BridgyP]

Completely agree. The end conversation saying "women have been ignored for a long time too", that's wonderful and I acknowledge that, but if the left keeps using this kind of rhetoric they'll keep losing elections

[@Avenged666]

Kamala was asked "What would you have done different to Biden in last 4yrs, had you been in charge?" she replied "nothing". That did her no favours.

[@RM-xf9gi]

Many people want change and are tired of waiting for it. Some of us are so impatient that they are willing to destroy it all and start from the beginning. But the stupid thing is they are trusting a fascist, a professional con man to rebuild our country! Gd stupid!

[@nerdvaniadotnet]

Good job not knowing what the VP does...

[@colossalanimeeyes]

@@nerdvaniadotnet What vice presidential precedent was more important than beating Trump to you?

[@gwenjackson8583]

@@nerdvaniadotnet. She was asked what she would have done differently than Biden. She said she would have done nothing differently. What does that have to do with what a VP does?

[@debbieknight8901]

@@gwenjackson8583 what did President Biden do or not do that you think was so bad that Trump was a reasonable alternative for the average voter?

[@seigoed88]

Let breakdown the conversation about young men moving right 49:35 The panel is all women and the first speaker immediately pivots to how hard women have it… This is why we lost men in a nutshell. “Acknowledge” men’s issues by immediately invalidating them. It’s even more frustrating when last week Stewart had a conversation with a woman who explicitly mentioned how what Mr. Richard referred to as the “Democratic blob” needs to do a better job of validating men’s concerns.

[@multi-florum]

They all look like they have so much in common with my 19 year old son who's working third shift at 7-11 and can't reasonably ever expect to be able to afford to move out because rent costs more than he makes at his full time job. It's a wonder they can't speak to him or his peers in effective ways... Oh, what's that I hear coming from his bedroom? It's a 22 year old youtuber who plays the same video games as him on a reactionary rant about about transexual issues. These people don't even live in the same world he does. XD

[@Deliver8857]

@@multi-florum But that sounds like his anger or life issues are being exploited..used to gain his support & blame ppl who are not at fault. Like demonize trans ppl for other's problems? It sounds like actual real world issues these young ppl are dealing with: low pay, high housing costs, high interest rates, high college tuition...but then those real issues are not actually being solved or cared about. Just demonize Democrats, trans ppl or immigrants as 'this is why your life isn't how you want it to be'... they want kids to join the hate & fuel your anger & this will solve their problems??

[@pleaserewind295]

I think a problem is a lot of young men work with women or see them do well in school, and the message of sexism falls flat with them. Women have to deal with a lot of stuff, but they act like it's the 1920s, not 2024.

[@aaronyaunt9072]

Yeh, arguing that women were second class citizens back in the 1980s worked because the average person could see it with their own eyes. Arguing that women are second class citizens today falls flat because people no longer see that with their own eyes

[@xandercorp6175]

@@multi-florum Sure, it's not your political blind spot and lacking ability to raise your son, its those awful people out in society confusing his poor helpless 19-year-old brain.

[@RunNGunPhoto]

The irony of this podcast, is that as a guy, I still feel unheard. It was the perfect macrocosm of deflecting and avoiding the issues. If found the "breakdown" to be extremely condescending. Again, why the Left lost. You have the answers, you just don't like them.

[@darthredraider8128]

I'm not leaving the left but this conversation here is why some men are leaving. Their needs are not being heard or they get glossed over. Instead for the past decade we've heard "all men are trash" and seen as women's needs soley get the spotlight. I do agree women should have equal pay, should have the right to choose what happens with their body and shouldn't be subjected to harassment; as men we should champion for those things. Seriously, we should, no person deserves to be subjected to treatment like that. However, when getting married, having children and trying to build a life with a person becomes weaponized and used as a form of punishment, and let's be honest here, these are things that are often tilted against men; we have a serious problem. I haven't heard one politician or person on the left advocate for child support or divorce reform, but you do see the right trying to ban no-fault divorces (I don't like that one single bit tbh but I digress). In our society it's as if all men are good for is making money and it sucks that narrative isn't being heard. It's only going to get worse when only half the population is being heard.

[@litsci1877]

Spend a month as a woman and it'll cure you of all this whinging.

[@NefariousPear]

@@litsci1877 lol I bet it's horrible. That's what all the whinging is about

[@baitsyyy]

Where have you been hearing this "all men are trash" stuff? Because as a guy I have never remotely experience anything like this and I keep hearing about it.

[@litsci1877]

@@baitsyyy I don't know if you're trolling, looking for a "most obtuse" award, or what, but the people saying these things ARE MOSTLY WOMEN, because of HOW MEN BEHAVE AND TREAT US. And treat children as well. As of today, 323 school shootings this year in the US. Why? Men. Men care more about guns than about anyone else. They don't care about women, the primary victims of domestic violence. They don't care about children getting shot up and murdered with guns in schools. The whole world can die so long as they get to fondle an outboard penis.

[@raumfahreturschutze]

@@baitsyyy Basic sentience within the past 15 years would have been more than enough.

[@ThePonderinglife]

The DNC's problem started when they did everything they could to undercut Bernie's campaign in 2016. Voters really wanted someone different and there was a huge amount of enthusiasm for Bernie, but the DNC and the media were so set on Hillary being the only acceptable candidate, that a lot of Bernie fans lost faith in the Democratic party and some even became Trump voters. In 2024 the voters again didn't get to choose the most popular Democratic candidate since no one ran against Biden in the primary, and out of necessity when Biden finally stepped down, Kamala was the only choice. I think she ran a great campaign, but we end up with best chance of winning if there is vigorous primary competition before the general election.

[@RachelTension392]

Just to add to this, the coordinated effort to nominate Biden when we was historically unpopular in 2020, and almost every candidate dropped, including Buttigieg with his Iowa win, so that Biden could sweep Super Tuesday. We've had anointed nominees since Obama's nomination in 2008. The Democratic Party has worked against democracy while claiming they are saving democracy, fighting primary challengers and investing in the campaigns of people they claim are fascists. And now voters have called out the dare.

[@GnarledStaff]

Harris did not run a good campaign. You may have liked what you saw, but she did not manage to get any decent message out to the people that needed to hear it. Harris failed to address the economy, which is what most people care most about. And then she failed to even try to mobilise men to her cause. Her campaign basically focused on women, and that, combined with the lack of empathy toward men, the complete failure to stand up to the right’s accusations about the economy and a fixation on avoiding answering questions lost her the trust and thus the vote of a lot of men. She lost the presidential debate in her first sentence. Then she lost the presidency in the first section of the debate. Yeah, she managed to make Trump look crazy later on, but everyone already knows Trump is crazy. That debate was her first impression with a lot of people, and she did not do well in the entire first section of it- which means she not only gave a bad first impression, she failed at the most important part of the debate.

[@urkiddingme6254]

@@GnarledStaff You mean Harris failed to lie the way Trump lied. "I'll fix everything." She didn't say that, but Trump did. Over and over and over.

[@mannysr67]

Or they didn’t like that she was a black woman and chose Trump.

[@russanloke]

@@GnarledStaff She was the lesser evil and people are tired of voting that. Nothing really change in their lives with either party.

[@michaelmackend4153]

as a republican my takeaway from this episode is that the democrats have a long way to go to figuring this out. if jon stewart, who i have a ton of respect for, is this far from the answer, the rest of the left must just be completely in the dark. i feel like an early 1940s american nuclear spy in germany being like - wéve got time yall. they're not even close.

[@juliahello6673]

Protecting their ideology makes people blind

[@nerdvaniadotnet]

Remember who the fascists march for now

[@slimjimnyc270]

@nerdvaniadotnet. Yes... for Kamala Harris. A retired Chinese-Hispanic engineer who's Politically Independent & EX-DEMOCRAT who voted for Carter thru Obama. Supported LIBERTARIAN this election (not Trump).

[@calebsmith7179]

@@slimjimnyc270 Kamala is a neoliberal, the fascists marched for Trump.

[@robbiewahl9860]

Indeed, never were there three people so close to the actual point but missing it by a mile.

[@digits001]

Imagine being told why you lost, saying you understand why you lost, but then doubling down on why you lost 😂

[@jjoohhhnn]

Right?

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

When you lose to the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party, the answer is not to integrate leopards into your own party.

[@randomusername3873]

It's amazing how a simple concept like "don't be sexist against men and treat everyone equally because we are all equally valid" is such a baffling concept for democrats, while in the same breath they preach about those things. Really hard to take them seriously

[@thecreepero3921]

Next time maybe actually talk to some of those men who abandoned the left? Just a suggestion...

[@nerdvaniadotnet]

If you actually paid attention to "the left" you would know you werent abandoned.

[@thecreepero3921]

@@nerdvaniadotnet Do you even realize how illogical that statement is? You are not owed anyone's attention. You gotta grasp it, and you are failing to that right now, which is why you are losing.

[@marclawson2536]

There is no Left in rhe U.S.

[@JMBvideo]

If you did, youd find young guys who dont know policies, civics, and history

[@thecreepero3921]

@JMBvideo You are clearly one of them.

[@robinirie98]

A podcast about men that barely talked about men

[@andybrice2711]

@@robinirie98 Eh, at least they didn’t get it wildly wrong. That’s progress.

[@RC-qf3mp]

Yup, Joe Rogan knows why young men left the left. But Kamala didn’t have time to go on the Rogan show, but she had time for drag queens like Ru Paul. 🤔

[@patdent]

You can't talk about what's wrong with men without mentioning what's wrong with men. What's wrong with men is they don't like competing with women on a level playing field. So they go whining back to the safe spaces of 1950s values.

[@rbu2136]

DEMs hate men. Nothing more to say. So let’s talk about women! Or whatever a woman means today.

[@Nsaf_UKR]

@@RC-qf3mp the criticism should not be that she didn’t go on Joe Rogan but that she didn’t go on David Pakman, Brian, Tyler Cohen and yes, even destiny

[@thenextpersonontheright]

I often find that people who are involved in politics often underestimate how little some people engage with or care about policys unless it directly impacts them. A lot of people are only hearing a few messages or something on their social feed.

[@sonotdown998]

Or, they only engage when policies won’t ever negatively impact them in any direct or real way. See: Healthcare for incarcerated trans women.

[@RochelleBayne]

You're very right. I was like that until 9/11 happened and I realized I needed to pay more attention. Fast forward to a few years ago, I found out my coworker was completely oblivious to the fact that Trump helmed the longest government shutdown a couole of months prior. Most people are like that, they pay little to no attention.

[@AmericaRewind-db8ko]

Not to mention, Trump is a master at marketing. Most of his campaign promises are easy to remember because they're so simplistic.

[@scottn2046]

And most importantly, the people least engaged in politics are often the undecided 10% of swing voters who actually decide elections, The people who are engaged in politics are very, very rarely swing voters!

[@ASackOfPotatoes]

yup, unless it effects me or those close to me i cant be bothered to give a fuck. Life is already too much without having to care about every single fucking issue these politicians spew.

[@Nihil-2005]

Center-Left moderate guy here, I voted for Kamala as the orange man was not qualified for the position given his track record. That being said, I am tired of the left and elements of the Democratic party always treating us like the problem. A lot of us support women, minorities, and other under-represented people in getting a fair deal from both the government and larger society. I want a nation in which someone can speak up, say "I have a problem", and have people listen and try to help them out. But that nation doesn't exist for us guys, especially white guys. If we say "we are struggling, things are tough", we are always preached to about our privilege, how other people have it harder, how folks like us are the problem that others have to deal with. Is it any wonder why a lot of men turned away from the left and Democratic candidates? We want to be heard as people, our issues to be raised for consideration, and not discarded outright. Most of us aren't racist, aren't xenophobic, aren't sexist, etc. - we simply have issues that aren't being heard on the left or by Dems. God help us if there is actually a moderate, sane Republican candidate that runs for office in the near future, we might see an electoral wipeout for the left. In short, listen, and throw us some lifelines, like you would for any other person suffering or going through tough times.

[@shawnmf2004]

You perfectly described the Victim Olympics the left loves to play and how as a white male you will never get a fair shake. Every issue is a race to find who is the most "oppressed." It's unproductive and tiring.

[@NoneOfYourBusiness-x9n]

The fact you still feel the need to structure your statement with “but I still support X, Y, Z groups” is what’s wrong. You shouldn’t have to qualify being a white man with “but I support other groups” to make a point. Vote red next time, it’s in your own best interest.

[@TheLondonhascalled]

Very well put. It just feels like, if I ask for help, I'm looked like as a weakling taking support from others.

[@michaelcoslo6497]

Those who have disdain for men are in control of the Party. Men are humans too.

[@colossalanimeeyes]

"Might see"?

[@wlsntech]

53:36 once again I just can’t believe how every time they dip into potentially men’s issues it turns into, “its nothing, stop crying. We dont need to pay attention to them.”

[@alansandoval1705]

It’s because not everything should be about us, this election I felt that I was fighting for not only for myself, but for OTHER people; people who are not me, and that made me more willing to hear and say “yeah, change should come”. Yet what I got in the end is that men only care for themselves just because they can’t care for other people.

[@AC-os1he]

​@@alansandoval1705 Great, but you don't speak for all men do you? You want men to feel like you, while dismissing how other men feel, that's pretty egotistical ya know.

[@aorihanazari524]

@@AC-os1he So what DID those other men want that was more important than the safety of women and kids and other men and boys?

[@MacSmithVideo]

@@alansandoval1705 But everything should be about women? When they talk to women, it's about "you have the right" or "You deserve this" or "it's your time". When they talk to men, its "fellas, you have to do this for women" - It's all about duties and responsibilities and sacrifice. And they have no idea why they are losing men.

[@thomasseptimius]

@@alansandoval1705 you are completely missing the point. It's not about it not being about us, it's about not wanting men unless they are soy boys. This is what you don't understand.

[@jjj1951]

Why the Democrats didn't focus on the success of their programs like Build Back Better amazed me. My state alone hired several thousand workers for bridge and road repair with its alloted funds. Why didn't they stress this in every state?

[@jool4867]

Cause they want to talk about trans

[@sonotdown998]

@@jool4867No, because the Right wanted to “talk about” “trans.” So much so that they dumped millions of dollars into placing one ad everywhere the largest number of “conservatives” were guaranteed to see it.

[@janetl9984]

I agree. However, no brag just facts as counterpoint to the other party approach.

[@Samlevvvy]

@@jool4867 I have only ever heard about conservatives talk about trans. When did Kamala talk about trans beside that one interview in 2019 when she was pressed on it? Or any Dem politician?

[@maxpayne232]

They know how divided this country is on gender and where afraid to admit they actually did something that benefitted men out of fear of losing the votes of the more extreme feminists. It's a sad sentiment.

[@samuelwallace2782]

Its interesting and ironic that Jon keeps bringing on liberal minded kamala voters to explain why people might have voted for trump instead of literally anyone who voted for trump.

[@x--.]

Actually, I'd love to see this. I have yet to meet a Trump voter who is living in the land of reality. I may just be unlucky but the ones I meet are always misinformed or believe in some crazy conspiracy theory garbage.

[@omarhanbali4953]

Because Trump voters are morons, it's more useful to analyze them from a distance than actually platforming their drivel.

[@suziechapstick8236]

Its like letting a police department investigate themselves. "We don't see a problem with what we're doing."

[@nerdvaniadotnet]

We all know the complaints of the snowflake man who is scared to lose privilege and why they voted for Trump, thats not the mystery people are trying to solve. You thinking this is about you doesn't mean it's about you. Men issues to misogynists isn't the issues people are trying to figure out, you men complain about that all the time, we get it. You voting for Trump anyways. There was no way men like you would vote for a woman.

[@colossalanimeeyes]

Or liberal minded people who didn't vote for Kamala? The loss of voters who literally voted for Kamala Harris in 2020 and especially the Dems losing the popular vote for the first time in decades seems more significant.

[@jarellraiders98]

I don’t think John and crew are hitting the right notes. - People are tired of the elites, the professional class and the insiders (consultants) - men are tired of the mainstream culture demonizing them for being men and calling us sexist and racist because two women loss who were both the worse candidates ever just amplifies these feelings.

[@jordansmith7546]

Two women who spent decades in politics, one who has served in all three branches of govt .. worst pick ever against ---- a guy who only got rich and famous because familial wealth and multiple bankruptcy!!!! The cognitive dissonance is insane

[@stephengouws1159]

@@jordansmith7546 That mentality that you have is the reason Democrats have become blind to the majority, and essentially why they lost. Those are tired talking points and only serve to further marginalize center and right of center, and push the vote further to the right, Look at what Annie says about Kamala vs Trump and how it was so clear on what Trump was running on, what his major running policies are are easy to call out and see. Annie was saying it's unclear to even her, who absorbs this stuff on the daily, what Kamala was running on; what her major policy points were. Pretending that Kamala lost because she was a women of color, and it's because of sexism and racism is that she couldn't win is disingenuous. Another great point by Richard there who emphasis that coming to those conclusions are dangerous for the future of women running for president, as they are painting it to be a losing formula, instead of actually addressing the real reason why the dems lost, and the fact that their policies and candidates were weaker and out of touch with the center.

[@tehlaziness]

@@jordansmith7546 Hey man, he had to work for that money. He had to get his brother to unalive himself and find ways to steal the shares of the inheritance from the rest of his siblings. Can you imagine how much work that must of been? To be clear, I'm being sarcastic. FDT

[@garrysonmcafee8530]

​@jordansmith7546 *Two corrupt and incompetent women* fixed it for you. I'll also add that Donald Trump is also corrupt, but people have seen him be president before, and I think that helped him.

[@drew5334]

You hit the nail on the head. They're overanalyzing this and kept bulldozing what Richard Reeves was (albeit timidly) trying to say. Most young men don't trust the Left because the Left has blamed all the worlds problems on us and demonized us, despite most of us being good and decent men (statistics show 1% of the population is responsible for 67% of the crime for example). If you demonize a group, it really doesn't matter what else you're preaching, they're gonna pick the side who doesn't demonize them. No one wants to trust a group who demonizes them for the sins of other people who look like them.

[@wlsntech]

How wonderful that an episode about mens turns into everyone else. everyone is suffering, but at least if it’s another group being discussed for an episode, it doesn’t immediately turn into “Well they’re not suffering that bad and they’re probably bad people anyways. Let’s talk about the other groups that we care about”

[@keenannorris3309]

We listened to different interviews. Reeves is talking about the reasons that men voted for Trump. If I had a transcript of this thing I could underline twenty places where he does this. But, hey, you got your upvotes so I'm sure you're happy.

[@MrSkalgar]

Who the fuck cares about youtube upvotes, you weirdo? KZbin sucks for this type of interaction, only reason to comment is to be "heard". Reeves sucked in this podcast, if he aims to be a spokesman for men's issue, he has to be able to stop people from hijacking the subject back to women's issue, he is not being good at it.

[@SuperGenericguy]

@@keenannorris3309 Reeves is fine, it's Jon that was the problem in this podcast.

[@msvulcanspock]

Women have listened for hundreds of years without being included. You need to learn to share the space. You have to learn how to share space.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Truth hurts sweetie.

[@day2148]

next up : "Why Latinos are turning to the Conservatives" - without a single latino in the episode. This is why I left the Democrats. It's just nonstop gaslighting of minority groups. "We know you better than you!"

[@sallybags9090]

Try being a white straight male, lol. I can't stand these people.

[@nishantkamat]

"Why Latinx people are turning to the Conservatives". Corrected it for you.

[@nerdvaniadotnet]

Learn what gaslighting means

[@Neillybob63]

@@nerdvaniadotnet Learn why you lost.... or continue to lose.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Are men leaving the left or the dem party? There is a big difference.

[@petedawg]

Both.

[@petedawg]

Men are leaving the Democratic Party. I think many are trying to stay on the left, knowing that Republicans are selling snake oil.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@petedawg that isn't really true. There are a lot of men who just are not politically engaged in general. We can see through the voting tallies that despite the ratio of men on trumps voting bloc is higher than the dems, the amount of votes he gained is similar to 2020. Which means his actual base of support didn't grow and actually weakened and were replaced by others. Men left the voting MAGA base and others replaced them to equal out to about the same. Meanwhile the Dems lost a lot of support because of gaza and Dems trying to win disaffected right wingers instead of leftists. If it was the left losing support, you would see a proportional increase of MAGA voters. With that being said however, it's easy to see social media radicalizing young men into the rightward space. The left doesn't have an equivalent so it's a lot more visible where the vocal right wing growth is

[@RWright-q5e]

Or, more specifically... are the DEMS leaving men (esp. Whites ones) behind?

[@noelsonkwa]

@@petedawg nah, men still want healthcare and paid sick leave. those are leftist issues, not liberal ones

[@JJ-nu8qi]

Its not the only issue but every one complaining about how men have it so much better and this or that group deserves a leg up seems to be on one side of the isle. So why would you be surprised when men dont want to be in the tent with people who hate you and have no problem saying it.

[@jamesrace3408]

Jon I've been a fan for a long time but I'm really disappointed in you right now. As a white male Kamala voter who highly prioritized women's rights over feeling good I am disgusted with a lot of what the left has let run amok the last 10ish years. I have had people be awful to me demeaning, dismissive, rolling of the eyes at any complaint I would lodge bc apparently I am physically incapable of having problems inspite of the monumental privilege I hold. I have had people repeatedly be extremely sexist and racist towards me and I'm tired of it and I'm tired of other liberals turning a blind eye to these things, I deserve to not be disrespected and mistreated with impunity by people for reasons of my birth that I cannot control its evil when it happens to anyone me included. The eye roll and the "poor little white men boo hoo" attitude is not the only problem Dems have but it is serious. Why would a women vote republican when they don't respect their rights or bodies. Why wouldn't men vote for Dems when they treat them like they're irredeemably evil monsters. Please I beg you to reconsider your views on this subject or the values we share will suffer further retrograde backsliding

[@ricoamordavila7496]

Stop watching Jon. Learn already. THEY HATE YOU

[@Zxcfebrar3]

35:28 "If you're saying good people vote for us and bad people vote for the other guy, I think that's kind of a hard message" "You have to take out the moral component, the righteousness" Play this segment 24/7 for all the people in the back who love their purity tests. This is a major problem with the Democratic party today, and look at the comments that are agreeing with this sentiment I voted for Kamala, donated too, but even I can see there's a major problem with the messaging strategy

[@Nictusempra]

The right is choked down with purity tests of their own, though, they're kind of inescapable. Admittedly most of their purity tests ask: are you white, are you straight, are you a guy, are you a christian? More identity-based, maybe people who can say to all those things find them simple tests to pass. I just think it's crazy to think that it's only the dems who have lines in the sand, they're called principles.

[@andrewbidwell6421]

@@Zxcfebrar3 You’re right, we should have had a candidate who was running on a record, like saving us from Covid or avoiding a recession…oh wait we had that. His name was Joe Biden…Kamala was his VP….you know how many Democrats cared? 0👌

[@mcbean1]

So then why did it work for trump?

[@andrewbidwell6421]

@ Because Trump doesn’t have 2 X chromosomes.

[@richardwallis9374]

Exactly. When a good number of loud people on your side show how they hate white men, and then demonize them when they don’t vote for the democrat….. is that how you win a voter back? Value everyone and find some common ground.

[@vondondolo1582]

On the Democrats official website they have a "Who we serve" page. It lists all manner of demographics - ethnic groups, religious denominations, LGBTQ+, women as a whole - except for one. Nowhere does it mention men, except as a problem they want to get rid of. You can make whatever historical privilege argument for that you want, and it will look great on a university paper or an opinion piece, but you don't get to wonder why men don't think the party has their interests in mind.

[@andrewbidwell6421]

White men, we have conquered the world and we’re angry about it lol

[@jerseygunz]

The sad part is all of it could be changed to just one simple word, you, and that takes care of everyone

[@Nictusempra]

where do they mention men as a problem on their website? Legitimately curious, where is that? Did you actually read that somewhere?

[@andrewbidwell6421]

@ It’s in the same nonexistent paragraph that says we’re now the anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim party lol 🙄😂

[@ThomasAndersonPhD]

Holy hell, you're totally right! List every minority you can think of plus women (the only majority they serve), then leave out the second largest group in the country.

[@jiiaga5017]

Adding my voice of displeasure - long time supporter of Jon Stewart, this won't drive me away, but it is a huge disappointment that you didn't actually talk about Men's issues in a meaningful way until 47 minutes in, and then only briefly.

[@Anikthias]

If you want to know why men are leaving the Democrat party you need to go no further than Lauren's response to the question about men not being heard. "I hear what you're saying BUT..." Men right now are lonelier than ever. So many of all races are single, working dead end jobs that don't pay enough, have horrible mental health are committing suicide at incredibly high rates, and yet for some reason these issues are written off as "yeah, but it's hard for women too". As she points out, two things can be true at once, so why can't two things both be acknowledged at once? As Richard aptly put it, instead of treating the problems men have, for 12 years, the Democrat party has treated men AS the problem. Is it really too much to ask for the party of the people to address the issues plaguing half of them and driving so many to take their own lives?

[@msvulcanspock]

65,000 pregnancies resulting from rapes have occurred in the red states that have abortion bans. Girls and women couldn't get abortions. They had to give birth to their rapist's babies. 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriages before Roe vs Wade these women often died. They are dying again. Women are dying from a lack of abortion care. White maternal deaths have risen 95 per cent in Texas since the abortion bans came in to effect. Maybe step out and do some thing rather than just feel sorry for your self?

[@markmatson3468]

As my brother says, buck up buttercup!

[@nonyabisness6306]

women have no idea what hardship is. and every women that looks into the hardships men face usually break out in tears. "but women have it worse" is the battlecry of people that have never actually considered the issues.

[@TychoKingdom]

You are the problem exhibit A your incel friend right above.

[@jordansmith7546]

THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM--- GUESS WHO IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE BILLIONAIRE CLASS ??? TRUMP

[@skelemania8642]

I voted for Kamala & was surprised that Trump not only won, but won in a rout. I was very confused. I think I might have been living in somewhat of a bubble, or an echo chamber, just hearing like-minded people say a lot of the same things that I was thinking, feeling or saying myself & wrongly, just dismissed - sometimes entirely outright - dissenting opinions. Especially online. It's easier to ignore the validity of an opinion from an anonymous stranger than it is to listen & question your own beliefs. Post-election, I was doing some reading & watching about various theories. I was listening to opposing viewpoints. I saw a lot of the same sort of identity politics being mentioned. I saw a lot of people on the left just dismissing everyone on the right as being racist, misogynistic, sexist, bigoted, etc. Still not listening. "You don't agree with me, so something is wrong with you. What are you, a Nazi?" That sort of shit. Even when I brought up some of the things I was reading to my wife, she looked at me weird like I was suddenly going down a Conservative rabbit hole & was going to come out on the other side some sort of Andrew Tate simp or some shit. It was never about that. I was trying to educate myself on what I may have missed or ignored that people were feeling. A lot of people aren't concerned with following politics closely; let alone daily. A lot of people may only even think about politics when it's time for a Presidential election, or when it comes up on social media or another form of entertainment that they follow, like the Joe Rogan Podcast (as an example). Yes, there are some single issue voters, yes there are some people that will always either vote for the Republican or for the Democrat no matter what. However, I saw a lot of "I can't buy a house, I do nothing but work, my partner does nothing but work & we can't even afford groceries." People thought that what is going on right now isn't working & their daily lives are harder, so they thought "well, let's see what the other side can do then." All the shit about Trump - the accusations, the wild performances, the hateful rhetoric - it didn't factor into a lot of people's decisions, if they knew about it at all, they just wanted to be able to have easier daily lives so they voted the other way. That's it. They don't want to break-it-all down & have it explained to them why Candidate A is ACTUALLY better than Candidate B because of * T H I S * - they just want to not be broke & scared. Everyday people don't just sit & watch CNN or MSNBC all day, or browse r/Politics on Reddit. They work all day, come home tired, eat dinner, watch a TV show & go to bed. Jobs are harder to come by, gas is more expensive, food is more expensive & rent/mortgage is more expensive. They don't give a fuck about billionaires or Congress or Supreme Court Justices, they just want to be able to live comfortably without having to worry about paying their bills when they're working themselves like dogs. A lot of them post college graduation, where they're in crippling debt. That's what I have been seeing, even if I think it maybe be misguided & I don't agree. It was simply "shit sucks with the guys in there, so let's give the other side a shot."

[@ChubbyUnicorn]

Happily, trump didn't win in a rout. As the full count comes in (i don't think it is complete even today.), it was a million or so votes difference, but the propaganda needs to say rout to put fear into opposition.

[@blueridgetomt]

"they're in crippling debt"...yes, and when someone tried to do something about that? It was almost 100% blocked, by the very same people who have just been voted into power.. It really makes no sense. Can't wait to see all that (R) sponsored legislation that weill fix everyone's problems in the blink of an eye.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Your wife is right. You are going down a rabbit hole. Young men just want to roll back minority and women's rights. Because of course they would, why compete fairly when historically you didn't have to?

[@teodoraSBP]

the gaslighting by the administration alienated millions of voters. some voted down ballot and left the top un marked; some did not vote at all. the uncommitted votes in the primaries should have served as a first signal that there is trouble on the horizon. neither biden nor kh attempted to understand what the uncommitted voters represented - it was a large scale protest vote against the gaslighting first on covid (a president cannot declare a pandemic over on a whim, and let it rip through the population and cause mass disabilities without any safety net and research for treatments), and then on gaza (including the police violence against college students).

[@noonientrekdfaasd]

I honesty think 5% switched from Dem to Trump cuz lying about Biden and slipping in Kamala seemed deeply crooked. Dems shot themselves in foot, so lost 48% to 52%.. And frankly forcing EVs especially in cold Midwest is direct pain that people find hard to vote for, even if helps save planet for grandkids.... And Dems went too far on lockdowns and applauding summer of BLM riots, to 10% the Dems are mix of tyrants and anarchists .

[@donrobertson4940]

I liked the ending where the woman says "Women don't feel listened too either". You end a show about why men are leaving the left that discusses how men feel they aren't being listened to by saying 'can we go back to talking about women now?' Anyone know where I can get a MAGA hat?

[@donrobertson4940]

53% of white women voted for Tump .... buuuuut lets talk about how men are wrong instead.

[@Greg_Andrews]

@@donrobertson4940 This particular video was about men, not women.

[@ryeguy7941]

​@@Greg_AndrewsYou wouldn't be able to tell.

[@TheRickity]

@@Greg_Andrews really? "The candidates who spent the most money on the election have always been the winners, except for the women who ran, and that's because of...... well duh sexism from the men." These women used this as an opportunity to blame men and discussed no actual issues men face.

[@malaki7123]

I don't feel like I came away from this discussion any more intelligent on the topic. By all accounts, the credentials of Mr. Reeves implies that there should have been an interesting discussion of the challenges that an otherwise decent and unoffensive young guy faces in modern society. But I don't feel like we got any of that, and it did genuinely feel like a towing of the "but yeah, the women have it worse" line.

[@philipc8280]

Just read his book. The man is in a tight spot, he can't push too hard

[@vlastelinprislic286]

​@@philipc8280 no eff that. Sideways. It's an hour long conversation on the topic and he is too intimidated to give a real expert perspective? That is the answer. It's right there.

[@Kobebryantfan24ful]

Misandry is not good political strategy

[@msvulcanspock]

It is easy to say this when your life is not on the line. 3 women are killed each day by their partners. 65,000 pregnancies resulting from rapes have occurred in the red states that have abortion bans. Girls and women were unable to get abortions. They had to give birth to their rapist's babies. 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriages before Roe vs Wade these women often died. They are dying again. White maternal deaths rose 95% in Texas since the abortion bans came in to effect. Woman are dying from miscarriages, stillbirths, ectopic pregnancies, sepsis and having dead foetuses in them. It is hard to believe that when you are fighting for your life men choose to abandon you because they are having to share space and not be the centre of attention all the time. How tragic for them. Whilst white men are so self obsessed and self focused women know we need to step away for our own protection. Men have to step up and take responsibility instead of playing the victim.

[@vtheman1850]

I am an immigrant, a naturalized US citizen from Eastern Europe. White, late 30s, upper middle class who recently started a family. I've historically voted democrat but I sat this election out. And my reason is quite simple, I've seen a terrifying trend in American Politics, where the parties no longer reflect the will and interest of the people. Modern political parties assume a position and dictate it to the electorate. The system is inherently broken, there is too much money in politics, too many corporate interests, and both parties are equally guilty of it. Reagan has turned all of America incredibly right, and with economic conservativism being so deeply ingrained in the system the left goes "left" on the most absurd issues... Things like healthcare, an end to foreign wars, an end to foreign entanglements... these are radical ideas in the US, and US Alone... for crying out loud ppl in this country call Bernie Sanders a communist....

[@KelliViti]

Great. Now we may not even have a framework upon which. To address these issues. Good to know you kept your eye on the ball / the larger picture. ( sarcasm BTW ) Fascism is so much better!!

[@franjkav]

The left hasn’t gone anywhere, especially left. If anything they’ve gone more right generally. Agree with everything else.

[@jeronimo196]

Shhh, you were swayed by the charisma and the expert messaging of Donald Trump. All we have to change is our messaging, now be quiet.

[@spaniardsrk5108]

Bernie sanders is a communist, he was part of a communist party in his 20s, and visited the sandanistas in the 80s, and had his honeymoon in the Soviet union.

[@jefffiets4941]

You're only power is to vote and you choose to give it up, keep fighting soldier

[@Beachdudeca]

The question is not why are men leaving the Left , but rather what does the Left offer Men that could empower their lives.

[@WilliamLi-nd4lz]

the left offer many things, but the dems don't. BIG DIFFERENCE

[@orangeyewglad]

A more equitable society and a more robust social safety net and less privatization stealing your money and soul? A more intact environment?

[@BoatengDerrickGyimah]

​@orangeyewglad all young men hear about rhetoric like this is more taxes,less capitalism or innovations and handouts. We want to work for self not be handed stuff that work great for our counterparts not us

[@Neillybob63]

@@WilliamLi-nd4lz Yeah, Mao and Stalin had many things to offer, didn't they?

[@Peel123]

Virtue signaling for the last 10-15 years while not providing basic necessities like healthcare, affordable education, senior and childcare, livable wages, affordable housing, etc., has been a bad look.

[@carterwgtx]

I’ll share a story that I know isn’t unique to me…when I was a senior in high school I went to the college help people office to apply for scholarships. I sat down at the computer and opened the scholarships list…and all 24,000 possible scholarships for students in my department pulled up. I checked the box for male, checked the box for white, and put in family income above the poverty line. I clicked filter and the list went to - true story - 12 I was eligible to apply for, each of which had thousands of applicants. That was my first moment when I went “wow, nobody cares about men, but if you’re a black woman holy crap people want to help them”. Not that I’m against helping people, but I walked out feeling like the world didn’t care if I succeeded or failed. That’s most young men’s introduction to affirmative action.

[@belpana]

@@carterwgtx that's not affirmative action, click female and get the same results, click eastern European and get the same results. Stop and think why college is so expensive that a person living above the property line can't afford it and go back and check history to see who cut funding and federal student aid.

[@jjoohhhnn]

This is heresy to acknowledge.

[@bethromelus6172]

"I was eligible to apply for, each of which had thousands of applicants." So because you got rejected, you assumed that a black woman would receive the scholarships? What if the winners were also white men? You just assumed that they were women or people of color without any actual facts? Most scholarships go to white people, and men have received many of them.

[@ny3683syr]

For almost all of my school years, I was the top student in all my classes. When I looked for scholarship money, there was nothing available for me either. I am a female whose mother was widowed with three small children, so I grew up poor. I was eligible for my state's scholarship program. It was merit based, so anyone (like me) who excelled academically was eligible. I was also eligible for the Federal Pell Grant, which is available for anyone who is economically challenged. My mother had a postgraduate degree, btw. It was the fifties, and she was paid half of what men who were HS dropouts were paid.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

this is so stunningly self centered and ignorant it makes me ashamed to be an older man. you get everything handed to you and yet whine about how the people who have less than you have it easier.

[@susandevine2314]

Trump is a self-promotion savant. The working class feels really unheard. He pretended to care. Democrats suck at messaging. I don't think a lot of the country heard Kamala's plans etc. We must find a way to break through the silos we live in. Working class people have been snowed into voting against their own interests as long as I can remember. Fear and hate work.

[@Gabriel_H77]

He throws so much shit at the wall some of it eventually sticks, and keeps him constantly in the spotlight. That's not savant, it is a toddler.

[@natepinson]

So, who would be able to do that? Probably not too many Trump voters watching this podcast, or any of the late night comedy hosts, who really are the best pro-democracy messengers we've got. How can you be a demagogue without othering someone? The closest I've seen is Bernie, who does a pretty good job of laying the blame on the 1% while standing up for everyone else. But that's exactly why he got shafted in '16 and wasn't seen as able to beat Trump by the mainstream in '20. Meanwhile, the big issue in Congress this week (other than the cabinet of horrors), is whether the one trans rep is allowed to use the bathroom. Although I do like the idea of Speaker Mike realizing he's putting her in a position to comment on the size of his Johnson.

[@Dominic-gd1gc]

You think the Democrats care about the working class? 😂😂😂 Even Bernie Sanders called them out. Democrats represent the overeducated resentful academics. Lots of arrogant intelligent people who want to tell other people how to live their lives. All theory and no experience, stay in your books and out of other people's lives.

[@donnaciarlante5647]

There is a serious dumbing down of most U.S. citizens. The ignorant and foolish elected Drumpf.

[@Nostalgic_Frames]

@@Gabriel_H77it got him elected….

[@joshw1253]

This episode is a prime example of why men are leaving the left. In the words of Joe Biden: “come on, man.”

[@annarboriter]

An entire conversation about the Dem loss and yet not a single mention of the party operatives who derailed the Sanders' campaign and how they were rewarded with promotions

[@Noah-d1z5n]

I enjoyed the conversation that featured two intelligent panelists. The conversation was both enlightening and… incredibly frustrating. I think Reeves is a great thinker, but I don’t think he is a great debater - I think he is too coy, reserved. I also think that the video’s title is inaccurate as the conversation barely touched on “Why men are leaving the Left”. Further, I found what the producer says at 50:18 frustrating. She says that she “hears what Richard was saying” that men felt that “they were not addressed”, but that women “haven’t felt addressed for a very long time”. There shouldn’t be a “I will say”, a but, or what about. These issues are not mutually exclusive. As she goes on to say about a different comparison, “two things can be true at once”: women’s issues are valid yet have not been addressed for a very long time and men’s issues are valid but were not addressed by the Harris campaign. Both need to be addressed. Both are important. Also, at 50:42, Hilary Clinton lost due to the Electoral College. She won the popular vote; meaning more people (“people” includes men) wanted Hilary (a woman) to win than Trump (a man). For the Harris campaign, again, I think they failed on messaging. Were there sexist male voters in both elections? Yes, absolutely. Were they the de facto reason why these campaigns lost? No. As it was pointed out in the conversation, plenty of women voted for Trump (~45% of women per '24 ABC exit polls). To insinuate that sexism decided these elections is inaccurate and narrow-minded. My final thought: there is toxic, sexist, discriminatory, and unkind rhetoric coming from both men and women on social media. Men thinking of women as objects and saying “your body, my choice”, and then women stating “all men are evil” or that “men’s mental health doesn’t matter”. Both rhetorics are bad. Both are equally wrong. Both are bad for our society. Both are. What society needs is a candidate that transcends these rhetorics - ideally all rhetorics, distills the toxicity to the underlying core issues (why are people unhappy?), and then present a plan to the people to address those issues. I don’t think Harris presented her plan effectively, but I also don’t think that Trump will effectively address these issues. I also don’t think Jon is this candidate. #essaying /rant

[@andrewgray573]

You, friend, are sane. This is, of course, the correct draw. No one is happy, and gender relations are, to be kind, busted.

[@multi-florum]

...“hears what Richard was saying” ... My wife does this to me and it drives me crazy. "I hear what you're saying..." is code for, "You're wrong, and let me tell you why."

[@DailySource]

Also, voters in Michigan elected a female governor and voters in Wisconsin elected a female senator and so forth. And Hillary got far more votes than Harris. So I don’t think sexism was a determining factor. I think the biggest factor was poor messaging by the Democrats on economic issues.

[@DailySource]

The second biggest factor was a backlash against the far left becoming excessively PC, and over reaching on cultural issues like the militant trans activism. A lot of people from the center left to the center right during the past four years have felt like the far left has been in their face about those things and attacking them… And also trying to ostracize or cancel their favorite comedians, authors and actors… Ranging from JK Rowling, to Garrison Keillor to Dave Chapelle to Kevin Hart and the list goes on and on. A lot of people are in fear during their day-to-day lives that they will be canceled for not agreeing with the far left orthodoxy on various topics… Or that they will be canceled for mistakenly not saying some thing the right way. That affects their day-to-day lives… While a hypothetical, theoretical future possibility of a threat to democracy by Trump isn’t at all part of their day-to-day lives. Then, when people talk about any of the above regarding the loss in this election, too many people on the left react by attacking plus grossly oversimplifying things. For example, I have heard some people say The following to try to brush off the entire topic: trans people didn’t lose the election. It’s true that trans people didn’t lose the election. But what did hurt the Democrats in the election was the far left and some of the center left trying to force everyone in the country to fully agree with their far left orthodoxy on the trans topic, and accusing them of being transphobic or being bad people if they didn’t agree with something. Parents and grandparents especially tend to greatly dislike it when people try to force them to parent in particular ways even on small things… But especially on the topic of whether their child should be male, female or neither.

[@methodsocratic]

Agree 💯 with your critical analysis (lol “rant”). Do I generally appreciate & admire JS’ erudition, delivery & focuses? Yes. Do I think he’s without significant flaws? No (not that any of us is). He frequently fawns & leans hard-left when addressing particularly divisive liberal issues/people instead of practicing critical skepticism, which is unfortunate as JS has a rather special talent for rhetoric (perhaps a “once-in-a-generation” type of special). You see it during interviews with folks who promote ideas he doesn’t agree with, such as JS’ interview with Oklahoma State Sen. Nathan Dahm (let alone JS’ famous takedown of “Crossfire”), but that brilliant critic gets replaced with a fan-boy when JS sits down with Professor Ta-Nehisi Coates. It’s times like these I remind myself JS has chosen to be (among other things) an entertainer & activist instead of a journalist or Socratic-ish philosopher (which I find, again, unfortunate given his extreme talents at analysis *and* communication). Ironically, because of his chosen demographics & style, JS’ career depends entirely on the institutions/individuals/issues existing that he excoriates. I of course respect his (let alone everyone’s) right to choose their own path, but this is kinda why I don’t listen to Stephen Fry with the same disappointment; both he & JS share those same talents, but one has a clear bias & the other practices graceful, egalitarian skepticism. Maybe JS does what he does cuz he knows what happened to Socrates, but still. IMO (worth both pennies, lol) it’s too bad.

[@CommanderIrish]

I'm sorry I completely disagree that Democrats were focusing on voters to their left. If that was true we would of had Bernie.

[@hatkingempire6286]

That’s a lie and one of the reason y’all lost 😂😂😂

[@akiahara]

This. I dunno why anyone would say they've pandered to the left. Harris hung out with Liz fucking Cheney and pandered to centrists who weren't ever going to vote for her.

[@taylorw3019]

Yeah. She ran on pro Isreal gun owning border building. Such a lefty campaign.

[@RachelTension392]

I ultimately agree with you, but because Harris has the ideology of a blade of grass and will bend whichever way wind blows, Republicans were able to project whatever they wanted onto her. And so progressives who hate war hated seeing her pivot to the center by campaigning with Cheney. And undecideds who were concerned about the economy were not swayed by Beyonce and instead listened to talking heads who brought up the superficial commitments from her 2020 run. And, frankly, if a voter is concerned about government spending and the economy, I'm not surprised that they weren't convinced by her needlessly spending donations to subsidize her lifestyle.

[@howardhales6325]

We should have had Bernie.

[@yasminrenteria8653]

It's time for a Bernie Sanders-like candidate...

[@MSavage-mk5pn]

Maybe… now hear me out… Bernie Sanders?

[@jool4867]

@MSavage-mk5pn Bernie will be too old in 4 years

[@francine5536]

​@@MSavage-mk5pn unfortunately that ship has sailed. He'll be like 87 in 2028.

[@sethmeyer2443]

that is also a TV star named Jon Stewart

[@c.a.t.732]

@@MSavage-mk5pn Far-left is a consistent losing position in every poll.

[@Koitus36]

Don’t frame your video as a video about men’s issues and then talk about women’s issues.

[@georgeholmer8563]

I am a practicsing Catholic, I am also a gen X and straight and white. I am also the son of a woman who had to fight her way to be recognished in a world dominated by men, I am the father of three daughters, one of whom is non-binary and three sons, one of whom is bisexual with a non-binary partner. I am also the husband of a woman who has been the victim of men. I am not celebrating anything, I am very worried about the world my children have to grow up in.

[@RWright-q5e]

The thing you should really be 'practicing' is your spelling. Too occupied by your self-hating grievance politics, perchance?

[@msvulcanspock]

I am so sorry for the suffering and stress that you are going through. It is hard.

[@robchristenson3108]

And that right there is the problem my friend.. rather than just saying you are worried for your children's collective future, you had to make 47 different groups for them and their various "identities".

[@vickilujan8611]

Me too I agree totally

[@bigdick1267]

Yes a world where your sons issues wont be given any attention, all while they will be villifed as the patriarchy, rapist, colonizers, and will have white privilege thrown in their faces. At the same time you daughters will have their ass kissed by the media, internet, social media, companies, colleges, jobs etc.

[@brianlamb5549]

I have seen Reeves speak before and he’s got a pretty good list of the concerns facing young men that can be illustrated with statistical backing. I don’t think he was even asked what those issues are in this episode. Stop treating these issues as zero sum, you can spotlight real issues that appear to be effecting men without that meaning women have everything they need. If you set up the window to view the issue that way, then you are helping frame the issue for everyone that watches.

[@davidlopan7152]

change the title to "people telling Jon Stewart why they lost and he dismisses it"

[@BirdManUnlimitedLove]

The main reason they lost is you never. Ever. Go out and tell people things over and over that they are wrong and everything is the best ever while they are complaining that it’s not. It’s political poison.

[@rrosaseconda]

The term toxic masculinity was most certainly NOT "basically born in 2016." It is from the 1980s. But the concept WAS used by some MSNBC hosts & guests to describe "Bernie BROS" in 2016.

[@bobbola3]

The "Bernie Bros" pejorative was the begining of the end. No way Trump would have been elected, once let alone twice, if dems didn't denigrate the largest intersectional identity of voters in America. Just dumb politics to do that, but when you gotta protect the donor class, you gotta do what you gotta do.

[@Kaylos29]

The term was actually started by men's groups to describe how certain toxic masculine beliefs and behaviors hurt men. The media and feminists co-opted the term and redefined it to mean masculinity was toxic.

[@franjkav]

@@Kaylos29that is not what feminists believe. but this is what right wingers like to say feminists believe because it keeps people divided. feminists are for equality and viewing masculinity as toxic doesn’t align with that belief. Furthermore, female feminists have a higher regard for men and are not man-haters as the right has claimed since forever. There is research on this…

[@Anka_Nicoise]

The View aired a segment titled ‘do we even need men’ reaching an audience of liberal women, many mothers, many with Sons, including me. It was a discussion that horrify anyone, and especially if we replaced ‘men’ with any other demographic.

[@bearrington2024]

My biggest complaint is that all of masculinity is just being labelled as "toxic masculinity", which gets really funny when liberal women have an identity crisis once they realize that the man they demonized is the man they want as a life partner. Traditional masculinity is a good thing, and these constant attacks on good men is how we get shit like Tate and Fresh and Fit as the only ones remaining; which actually do cause harm. And now the left cannot get rid of them because the words "toxic", "sexist" have no power because they used them to chase away all men.

[@jaquo25]

There is a difference between being 'pro union' and being 'pro union worker'. Using the government to break a strike isn't pro worker.

[@MrMatthiasSchneider]

Biden literally saved the pensions of 600,000 Teamsters. And they turned around and voted for a billionaire because they're obsessed the idea of transgender people in women's bathrooms.

[@mistareee]

If you’re for unions you’re a democrat, if you’re in unions you’re a republican.

[@necordektox879]

That's a good point. The railroad strike has been completely forgotten by the media but likely not the workers.

[@vonwiggleding]

And rail workers still don’t get paid sick days.

[@jemma6596]

Well, we just elected the most anti-worker president, so unfortunately, no workers are gonna see things get better anytime soon.

[@ZombieWerePrechaunPire]

Men would rather vote for a side they disagree with but don't judge them than a side that they agree with but judges them constantly.

[@andrewbidwell6421]

It’s too much like spending time with our wife and kids 😂😂😂

[@penelopekramer4065]

I thought that was exactly what they were saying here.

[@samsprague3158]

Which, when you look at the actual reality we face, is utterly, inexcusably foolish. Get offline and grow up before you vote, if that’s how you feel.

[@ZombieWerePrechaunPire]

@@samsprague3158 Here we have one who judge the men

[@Adtrevino37]

@@samsprague3158 I'll "grow up" when the rest of society decides they should as well, and not blame men for all of their shortcomings.

[@Furiends]

"Being heard" packages up a huge amount of details with the lack of societal direction with men. Broadly there is apathy with mens interpretation of womens societal role. Or put another way men see womens equality as: "you are on your own now" not "oh thats great keep up the good work" We see selfish "fuck you got mine" mentality in American electorate already. And so its a tall order for us all to agree we should be concerned about how political messaging is reaching men. But we have made men a politically isolated group. The reason this issue is so intractable is because the awnwser is actually obvious but it makes us so uncomfortable we look elsewhere. Its true men are being sexist by being apathetic but then making men as a group out as a villin is absolutely useless. Its simple: men are abandoning the Left because they grow up with extreme negative experiences with their competative role that goes unaddressed then when men grow older and are struggling are told to be concerned about anything but themselves. This is a socio-behavioral problem and its broadly outside the domain of politics. Society expects men to compete then tells them to coopetate.

[@denversdabsc6073]

People want what Bernie Sanders has purposed, when he would have won in 2016 had he not be screwed over. And then his decision not to run as a third party and caved into the democratic establishment which was very disappointing. But I know why he did because he has said it himself , he didn't want to end up like Ralph Nader. Who also is one of the best minds of our time.

[@methodsocratic]

35:53 I have personally experienced this exact thing with friends, partners, & social & professional peers. Jon’s eyebrows-arched, incredulous “oh that’s interesting” is quite shocking to me. I can only speak to the groups I regularly interact with, but the “men are the problem” belief seems pervasive to me within the modern American “liberal” community.

[@msvulcanspock]

3 women are killed by their male partner each day.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Men are the problem, ffs, what do you think jails are filled with? Who buys fire arms? Who is the ruling class?

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Men are the problem, ffs, what do you think jails are filled with? Who buys fire arms? Who is the ruling class?

[@constantsmile3370]

@@FishareFriendsNotFood972You look like a man, Donald T. That means you’re the problem. You should probably stop forcibly mansplaining your ideas to everyone.

[@chrisludwig4729]

Jon's shock here must be disengenous. He's played into the bit that the world caters to white males, like himself, in countless episodes. He is a proud, card carrying memember of the "Check your privilege" bloc on the Left. His only genuine surprise would be that men don't awknowledge this is an object truth.

[@raymondjacobs1955]

How about fixing this through listening to the fears of both sides and stop lumping everyone on each side into singular stereotypes?

[@davidsmithy123]

@@raymondjacobs1955 yeah. The left is so sexist and racist when talking politics now. Its kind of insane.

[@callmeej8399]

That’s what we need to do characterization and straw manning just fuels the fire and stoakes division

[@pastelbarbie]

one side has fears based in bigotry and fear of loss in the power of their identity be so fr 💀

[@jujucarl28]

​@@pastelbarbieThat's the exact response that you on the left can't seem to stop doing. They won't learn anything by not talking with an actual supporter in good faith

[@davidsmithy123]

@@raymondjacobs1955 exactly.

[@jeffcowell3330]

Men felt seen, they felt seen as villains. They were told so over and over and over again. We know we are crap and should disappear; it was made loud and clear.

[@jeffcowell3330]

It is not what was communicated, it was that there was no counter point mentioned.

[@Br0therSeamus]

I've said it before it's simple. One side pats you on the back for following your basest instincts while the other sneers at you for your identity and moral compass while simultaneously falling short of any reasonable set of standards. If you bet on people choosing to be their better selves then that's the bar you have to clear as party. If your pitch is to be unselfish you better have an unasailable vision and record or most people will be gladly be welcomed by the greed is good camp.

[@paulgconstantine]

Jon, you say it’s time to examine narratives, but you keep bringing on guests who just construct and promote simplistic narratives-about “men & women”, “left & right”, “dems & repubs”, etc. You’re in a bubble. Pop it.

[@x--.]

These guests definitely didn't seem to have simplistic narratives. They clearly had a depth and breadth of knowledge that was interesting. What did you think was simplistic about their analysis?

[@alois482]

​@@x--. jon and all the ladies were so simplistic, they basically said men are sexist and boo hoo you dont get addressed by, for a summary watch the conclusion segment

[@x--.]

@@alois482 oh, I agree that our hosting team seemed to prefer that simplistic narrative but I just though the guests were not.

[@methodsocratic]

@@paulgconstantine 💯 agree, OP. When JS produces stuff like this, I’m reminded he’s an entertainer, not a journalist, & that bubble is where his audience is. Edit: obv not his *entire* audience, given our criticism, but enough that I think he actively ignores those of us with raised eyebrows at some of his work.

[@Avenged666]

How about Democrats adopting the old age adage "The Customers Always Right" attitude, instead of insulting, attacking them?

[@russelltom2087]

Both people saying it isn't racism and bigotry, John: you are right it is racism and bigotry.

[@zimti7390]

Modern Dems: "All masculinity is bad and Men are the worst!" *Men leave Dems* Modern Dems: 😲

[@johnmauceri21]

Ignoring the real reason why young men are disconnected shows why the democrats will continue to lose

[@sebastiancardoso]

I find this episode to be frankly depressing. I keep seeing the NYT, WaPo, LA Times, NPR, Ezra Klein (and Annie Lowrey), et al missing the mark by a country mile with shallow and profoundly unintellectual analyses. These conversations are a giant circle jerk at this point. We need to stop talking about "the messaging" and about "why young people didn't vote for the dems" and start looking at some actual, demonstrable, measurable root causes, like: decades of compounding income inequality, the working class' purchasing power being obliterated, gen Z'ers finding it impossible to get a job that doesn't pay starvation wages, millennials still not being able to buy a house, and the bulk of the progressive base being understandably deeply disenfranchised by the democratic party's inaction to affect sweeping change for the working and middle class. If we spend all our time and effort on these unidimensional explanations to complex, multifactorial problems, we're never going to see the critical part of this iceberg that's underwater.

[@juliahello6673]

It amazes me that Democrats think the answer is to go even more extreme to the left. Two years ago a poll found that Americans thought that the Democrats were more extreme than the Republicans. That’s not a good thing. We need to get away from class warfare, identity politics, and other hateful ideologies. People really do not like them. This includes groups like black Americans who are also leaving the Democrats. The 6% of Americans who are Progressive (and who are the richest and whitest of all Democratic groups, according to Pew) need to step aside and let the normal people control the party again. If they don’t we will never win another presidential election again.

[@Brandon-zh4uw]

They still make fun of men in this video. They still say it's about being "seen" and doing a "Trump" dance. Again, you're pushing men away by making fun of them and telling them that they shouldn't be worried about themselves as much as women are worried about themselves.

[@notmyname-bx7bc]

If our goal is an egalitarian society (which it should be) then we need to stop providing preferential treatment to people based in immutable characteristics.

[@ryeguy7941]

Well that will be impossible for the democrats then.

[@leeannmerrill5409]

It is rich that trump says openly racist comments, and Biden's openly racist remarks are ignored. This is my problem with my old party is they seem unable to apply the same insights when viewing themselves. Humility could go a long way there to get some voters back!

[@bryanwilliams167]

None of these people get it….

[@timkunkel5431]

That's because they're right & you're wrong. Do better. /s

[@ernimuja6991]

Men are leaving the left because they’re sexist and racist. What’s so hard to get?

[@greymalkin9228]

I'm still boggling at 'Tim Walz seemed authentic.'

[@philipc8280]

Richard does, but he's too scared of backlash because he's an academic

[@roysalo]

This is exactly why the left lost the average man. In this episode they barely spoke about it. You would understand that from steward and the lady, but reeves has a lot of research on suïcide, loss of work, culture calling them toxic, removing spaces where men can be men amongst each other. But yet when steward made it sound like woman are losing rights, while men aren't seen, reeves should have snapped back with these serious topics...

[@Synodalian]

Respectfully Jon, if you really do not intend to run: _please_ find someone who can. The Democratic Party _needs_ a new captain to put this ship back on course.

[@ReadyMindsetGo]

Or maybe a new party that doesn't have their head up their ass?

[@natepinson]

Now, that last part, I'll agree with. So would Jon, Bernie, and any other non-fascist with sense and integrity. A real, competitive primary would have helped this year, even if Harris had still become the likely nominee. The process would have helped her distinguish herself from Biden, given her more opportunities to refine her message, and a greater sense of legitimacy. She would have more practice defending Biden's accomplishments, more time, and a chance to see where her weaknesses were (mostly her 2019 positions that got used so effectively against her, and having to defend ALL of Biden's positions, not just the ones that worked). Also, it would have been apparent earlier that a traditional campaign strategy was less effective in the new media ecosystem we live in.

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

​The Democrats were winning because they were on the wrong side of nearly every current major issue going today. They are for endless wars, stopping crypto growth, open borders, men in women sports, Big pharma profits over Americans health, the Democrat party is despised nowadays because it's no longer for the working class or for young men . Good luck winning without that group

[@AntiNicolefanClub]

We need a dnc leader that spearhead trans issues at the fore front!!!!

[@Synodalian]

@@AntiNicolefanClub I agree, but for that to succeed in the current climate, you're gonna need a _masterful_ mythmaker who can offer America an alternative vision of what it means to have a family. We'll need a politician who can do for all queer folk what Malcom and Martin did for all Black Americans in the 60s. Not in any way implying it can't be done, but they need to be _very_ good at taking the narrative back from religious bigots. That will take a level of charisma I honestly haven't seen on the political stage yet.

[@Valjean666dk]

Are men leaving the left, or is the left leaving men...or even kicking them out?

[@asocialscientistresponds]

They kicked them out. They literally torched and pitchforked Joe Rogan for endorsing Bernie Sanders. That had well off Black on women on Twitter telling white men begging for healthcare to check their privilege.

[@michaelbarlow3544]

In therapeutic work with couples and families, fostering meaningful connections within the family system is often a central focus. When a child expresses interest in hobbies such as anime, Pokémon, or video games like Call of Duty, it’s not uncommon to encounter parents who show little interest in engaging with these topics. Encouraging parents to explore these interests-whether by attending events like Comic-Con, playing the child’s favorite video games, or engaging in respectful conversations about what the child loves-can strengthen relational bonds. Demonstrating genuine interest in a child’s passions is a powerful form of respect that nurtures connection. Conversely, dismissing or expressing frustration toward these interests can contribute to emotional distancing and disconnection within the family system. This principle applies to adult relationships as well, particularly when navigating sensitive topics such as political values or personal beliefs. Without a sincere effort to understand and connect with others on their terms, the gap in understanding and connection often widens. Similarly, societal issues such as misogyny are not addressed effectively by responding with misandry, just as one form of sexism cannot be resolved by perpetuating another. While highlighting biases in a reversed context can sometimes illuminate inequities, perpetuating divisive attitudes ultimately deepens disconnection and reinforces barriers to mutual understanding. A foundation of respect and genuine interest in others’ perspectives is essential for fostering connection and change.

[@GennaSt]

I buy strengthening relationships means listening to what another person has to say. I also think I can't combat one form of being hating because I am a ... by turning around to hate others on the opposite basis. That said, it is diminutive to have an entire program around what's happening with men without acknowledging that something is happening with the relationships people have to their government and society at large. The family dynamics are off in this economic system. The voters did not go to the polls worried about the same issues. Men voted on issues women did not have. Women voted on issues that were going to affect all women. The majority of the most populous voting block did not vote in women's favor. If Jon wants to concentrate on the male part of that equation, so be it.

[@michaelbarlow3544]

Thank you, @GennaSt, for sharing your thoughts and highlighting the importance of listening and understanding broader systemic dynamics in discussions about relationships and gender. I completely agree that strengthening connections starts with genuinely hearing others. That said, I think it’s also important to recognize the nuance within any group or demographic. While it’s helpful to analyze trends, such as how men or women might prioritize certain issues differently, making monolithic statements about what “men” or “women” (or any demographic) do or believe can be problematic. When we look at statistics, there are often individuals on both sides of an issue-or even across a spectrum of perspectives-that defy the broader patterns. My main point in my earlier post was that alienating people-whether through divisive statements or a lack of genuine engagement-doesn’t lend itself to connection. Instead, it makes it harder to have constructive conversations about the areas where more people might agree. By fostering respectful discourse and focusing on shared values or goals, we have a much better chance of building bridges and finding common ground. Thank you again for encouraging this dialogue-it’s in these respectful exchanges that meaningful progress happens.

[@petedawg]

This is the most informative comment I’ve seen on this subject. Thank you for your insight!

[@michaelbarlow3544]

@@petedawg, back in the day, one of my VCU professors used to say he preferred "and" statements over "either/or" statements. He told us that he preferred to add to the discussion rather than attempting to make others choose one or the another point. It's also in the spirit of Carl Rogers and the "Rogerian Argument." That is my intent with my contribution.

[@msvulcanspock]

It is easy to say this when your life is not on the line. 3 women are killed each day by their partners. 65,000 pregnancies resulting from rapes have occurred in the red states that have abortion bans. Girls and women were unable to get abortions. They had to give birth to their rapist's babies. 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriages before Roe vs Wade these women often died. They are dying again. White maternal deaths rose 95% in Texas since the abortion bans came in to effect. Woman are dying from miscarriages, stillbirths, ectopic pregnancies, sepsis and having dead foetuses in them. It is hard to believe that when you are fighting for your life men choose to abandon you because they are having to share space and not be the centre of attention all the time. How tragic for them. Whilst white men are so self obsessed and self focused women know we need to step away for our own protection.

[@annh.8290]

Moms! My mother-in-law was on her death bed, and literally had not said a word in 2 days, my husband and I were in her room talking about nothing in particular, when my husband said something grammatically incorrect and his mom in a soft, but firm voice corrected him. We laughed, she still had it to the day she died a few days later.

[@ka9dgx]

Look at the 4200 men per year who ended their own lives, compared to the ~900 women who died due pregnancy related causes

[@juliahello6673]

Pitting one against the other, huh?

[@Alanflamer]

Unbelievable. Every time they started to grasp the answer to their questions, they activated some sort of programing and sled right into their standard views.

[@Emmany97]

Talk about messaging. Trump came in and was like "I will end all wars," even though he is lying. Kamala came repaeting the "We are working tirelessly for a ceasefire." You mean to tell me voters can imagine you've been losing sleep for 1 year? Piss off with the bureaucratic talk and stop acting robotic

[@joyfultrails]

To hear people talk about the dismemberment and killing of defenseless babies in such a casual, cavalier manner is truly unsettling.

[@gerriperreault6905]

Lower income shifting to trump NOT ex of less income polarization. Lower income people felt left behind by BOTH. Who uses "working class" as a term. The "middle class is our backbone" said during pandemic. Who was working at home? How did toiling workers at Tyson feel about that!

[@jeffwithmaintenance6229]

I'm MAD AS HELL AND I"M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE‼

[@jeronimo196]

Morgan Freeman: But @jeffwithmaintenance6229 did, indeed, continue "to take it" - for quite some time.

[@sethmeyer2443]

RUN JON RUN

[@natepinson]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. He has too much honesty and humility to want, or to do, the job of President. Chief advisor, on the other hand . . .

[@sethmeyer2443]

@@natepinson who cares what he wants. This is a reverse dictatorship. The people are forcing him to be president.

[@jool4867]

@natepinson I don’t think Jon wants the responsibility of having to order something that results in the death of people and sometimes Presidents have to do that. I can respect him for that.

[@natepinson]

@@jool4867 That, too.

[@sethmeyer2443]

@@natepinson doesn't matter what he wants. it's what we want.

[@randyp3871]

Many posts here are critical of this show. The main complaint seems to be that it's off topic, and doesn't talk about men enough. I agree. However, I've just spent a half hour going through all the comments here, and there is no talk about policy changes that would help young men. I'd love to hear your solutions!

[@steveb4662]

Same. There seem to be no solutions from the commenters, just more and more complaining about things that didn't used to be complained about. Apparently, at now 66 years old, I'm meant to believe that for my entire life, men have been bottling up all these victimization emotions and for some reason, they're all now coming out. MEN have ruled the world since time immemorial, and now that there's some push-back on things like, 'your body, my choice,' they all become snowflake cry-babies. It's frankly, disgusting and embarrassing.

[@stivendaniel3035]

Men aren’t just allowed to have their struggles heard.

[@rustybrooks8916]

People are, in general, stupid and selfish. They don't want to do homework. If someone says something they emotionally connect with and does it in a way that is both funny and appeals to their tribality and fears, that's really all that matters. That is enough to get at least 50% of the vote. The second part is just knowing how to manipulate the serious issues we have with how our electoral system works.

[@hungrybraineater2]

The American people are neither moral nor industrious anymore period and you cant have a republic much less a democracy with those types of people. We used to not tolerate people who were stupid,lazy selfish and lied all the time. We got the type of government we deserve because we deserve to be told what to do because we are obviously too stupid not to.

[@brentphillips9965]

A lot of people couldn't tell the difference between Bernie Sanders' version of "speaking his mind" and Trump's. Bernie spoke frankly about the issues facing working Americans. Trump spoke about those issues but performatively. Bernie's solutions focused on labor-friendly policy, Trump's focused on blaming immigrants and LBGTQ+ people. Trump also had Bush's "guy to have a beer with" appeal to a lot of people, especially to those who watched the Apprentice.

[@Stepica]

After watching most of this, I am at peace. Dems will never learn, they will blame anything and anyone before looking in a mirror.

[@nerdvaniadotnet]

the irony of any trump supporter saying anything like this ever..... Dont worry, I know it went over your head.

[@vlastelinprislic286]

@@nerdvaniadotnet why do you assume the op is a trump supporter? It's not just trump voters feeling this way, it's... Pretty much everyone who is not in your bubble.

[@Jeff_Cheney]

Louis DeJoy has already been hard at work dismantling our Postal Service.

[@AshenVictor]

One of the things Richard mentioned in the few moments he was allowed to speak is specificity. What's the offer being made specifically to men, what are the Democrats going to do about boys' educational attainment falling behind, about male mental health and suicide, etc. They didn't mention anything because they just kind of took men for granted (or wrote them off as opponents). And guess what, that's also the conclusion from last week's episode on the white/rural working class. No offer was made specifically to them by the Democrats. Vague appeals to "you'll benefit from these things that generally benefit everyone" don't work. Never have, that's why Bernie never managed to get the Black vote, because he ran on general economics even when he was talking to majority Black groups who have specific interests at the fore of their experience (Remember when he was interrupted by a BLM protestor and he didn't even pivot his act to mention it, if he'd been able to do that in a way that made it look like he understood the specific concern we might not be having this conversation right now).

[@samsprague3158]

Every successful historical social progress movement contained people fighting for it that didn’t directly benefit. This one won’t be different, and the fact that white men WILL benefit from race and gender equality is no less true. This is why it’s important to learn history.

[@vlastelinprislic286]

@@samsprague3158 oh it's been working out great for us so far

[@bmxfreakxyo]

The left: “fuck you men, you suck, we hate you and don’t need you, you cause all of our problems” Men: “damn ok, see ya” The left: 😮 why are you leaving?! 🤦‍♂️

[@gregwagner2746]

This sums it up about a perfectly as it can be.

[@quietreason8679]

The Chips act, the ACA, the CARES act, these are all good things, but when 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford an unexpected $400 expense, small and incremental improvements just don't cut it. People need real relief, and that can't happen unless corporate America starts paying their fair share. Did you know that this year personal income tax accounts for 51% of the governments revenue, and corporate income tax only accounts for 4%? In the 1950's corporate taxes accounted for over 50%.

[@asocialscientistresponds]

Liberals deployed fact checkers to dismiss this and whines about being unpopular.

[@chaleej5571]

If you raise corporate expenses, they will look to cut other expenses (such as salaries) or raise revenue by passing their increased cost along to consumers. The CARES Act and CHIPS Act both massively contributed to government overspending, resulting in the inflation numbers that got Biden/Harris fired. The fraud and scams related to the CARES Act alone are mind boggling. You're just a typical Dem who can't think 1 move ahead, much less two or three. I grew up on the poor side of town - neither parent had a college degree - but I committed to getting an education (not a crap English degree or Social Studies slop) and actually pursued a career, paid off a house and am in great shape to retire early. Most of the GenZs and Millennials I work with are better at spotting micro-aggressions than writing competent English or performing basic math, even with the help of computer spreadsheets. That's what is holding people back - plenty of great jobs in STEM but math is too hard for the lazy who want big money for working as a barista...

[@somekatontheinternet]

If you only go to right-wing sites - you would get the impression that Donald was a Super-Cowboy President - they play clips from 2016 rallies - they selectively edit his comments - they never hear democratic talking points (except Pete Buttigieg on Fox) - they never see Donald losing his train of thought -

[@Dragon-Believer]

Have you considered the idea that you deserve to lose?

[@alelectric2767]

You can replace “right wing sites” with left wing using your same comment

[@somekatontheinternet]

The rightwing sites treat Donald like a wrestling star on the sports channel - the left wing sites treat their candidates like they are on CSPAN -

[@danielbassett1076]

My take is it was a victory for the ruling class. "Divide and rule." There are many moving parts and no simple solution. It's amazing how easily the human mind can be manipulated. Was Aristotle right?

[@necordektox879]

Yes, this is what it is. I think she touched on it when she mentioned that across racial and gender lines it's getting harder to predict how they'll vote, because by and large we're on the same page. It's about stopping a burgeoning united labor movement before it can form.

[@LoveThatBlueSky]

100%

[@ReasonableArgumentsBeingMade]

What is hilarious to me is that watching Jon and the Daily Show is what delivered me to the Left. Watching the Daily Show and being introduced to Bernie Sanders’ politics before he ever ran for president was where I learned that there were still politicians that I could believe in. The Clintons and the disillusionment I felt after voting for Obama led me to lose all faith. Bernie and his progressivism restored that faith. But the Democratic Party clearly won’t let a Sanders candidacy happen, again breaking my faith in the system. But I was still made a Leftist, an actual Leftist, call me a socialist, a communist, a Marxist, any of those labels are fine to me. What everyone should understand is that voters aren’t leaving the Left, the party did. Social issues aren’t going to win elections, if you really want to win an election embrace economic Leftism, “It’s the economy, stupid”.

[@ianmacdonald9201]

Wow, bubble people talking to other bubble people and yet again, missing on virtually every point. What is going on with the inability to talk to the other side, or the part of their side that moved right in droves. Hugely disappointing discussion and very, very telling.

[@hayguyman]

Why would it be about men? Men don't care about about who's in the corner in gender or sex it's about the policies and economy and safety of the country. Democrats think it's about some sort of enlightened principles, but for a lot of rational people it's about being an American and upholding the Constitution because that's why we're here

[@nonamedoe9264]

It’s a Scooby Doo mystery, huh?

[@andrewbidwell6421]

Meh more like one of those time space paradoxes.

[@rall4688]

"As of now, Jon Stewart has not publicly addressed the criticisms regarding the composition of the panel in his recent episode titled "Why Men Are Leaving the Left." The episode featured a discussion with Richard Reeves, President of the American Institute for Boys and Men, and Annie Lowrey, a staff writer at The Atlantic, focusing on the Democratic Party's challenges in retaining male voters. Some viewers have expressed concerns about the absence of young male voices in the conversation. However, there is no record of Stewart issuing a response or apology concerning this feedback." Way to shit in the elevator.

[@psychicbyinternet]

Who are you quoting?

[@trydowave]

Lots didnt go right. They just... went.

[@necordektox879]

Yeah, this keeps being overlooked. Everything is why did men vote Republican, why did white women, why did Latinos, etc. What's lost in all this analysis is that voter turnout was lower than 2020. They didn't move left or right, they stayed home.

[@trydowave]

@@necordektox879 overlooked or ignored. i still dont know which?

[@O_U_No_It_2]

Thank you sir. Run for Prez. 💙

[@sethmeyer2443]

There are so many people that want Jon to run in 2028 that we might as well start making the hats, shirts and lawn signs. I'm serious.

[@leslie-d5v]

Yep. Let me know when you’re selling them!

[@d4mdcykey]

I don't know why people keep harping on that. Look at what that office does to a man, it's a hellscape of stress and BS, I would not wish that on anyone decent, or on their family. It's a nice thought but not very feasible from a mental health standpoint.

[@anthonyg8184]

I think it was Jon that said that the best president do not wanna be president.... So let's just do it against his will. Honestly would be the funniest shit ever

[@nehabhale2706]

​@@d4mdcykey agree, however, we haven't at least in the recent monory seen someone in that role who is not shackled by the party apparatus. Trump came closest in the worst way, but not someone not narcissistic and with actual empathy!

[@franneep]

@@sethmeyer2443 Anyone know how to start a pac? I'm serious too.

[@carolelayman2795]

I'm watching this almost a week later but very much enjoyed hearing everyone on the show. Great discussion! Thank you.

[@jeffcowell3330]

I absolutely would have voted for Tulsi over Trump so how is not voting for Harris sexist? Wish I was given the option but I left when Tulsi got pushed out of the party.

[@bioniclohan7291]

She was hardly pushed out. She was paid to go to the right.

[@jeffcowell3330]

@ I had not idea she was paid, who paid her spasticity? I made the assumption it was because of Hillary calling her a Russian asset (among other things) after her debate with Harris. It is a shame she would have beaten Trump without a doubt.

[@jeffcowell3330]

@@bioniclohan7291 I don’t want to continue to be a fan if this is true. Would you please let me know who paid her? I need some details, I can’t just flip on a person without details.

[@jeffcowell3330]

There goes Bernie…