Jon Vickers sings Wagner conducted by Karl Bohm (vaimusic.com)

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@eeli1
@eeli1 16 жыл бұрын
Gotta love how he sings over that full orchestra with ease, you go Vickers.
@aidavdbrake
@aidavdbrake 14 жыл бұрын
@dg6da i totally agree: it's insane to say vickers is screaming in this piece. jon vickers like no other dramatic tenor that i know of, treated music with the utmost respect, using more dynamics (singing both soft and loud) and fewer fashionable slurs (portamenti) than anyone else. and this short piece he doesn't use any kind of force, he isn't even singing his top notes full forte/fortissimo, he doesn't need to, his huge voice does all the work for him! great technique too!!
@SPTN58
@SPTN58 13 жыл бұрын
Jon Vickers was a superb artist and singer.
@ransomcoates546
@ransomcoates546 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful memories of him in the theater. The sound was enormous, but never pushed. Completely unique timbre. A great singer indeed.
@pammyjones1151
@pammyjones1151 4 жыл бұрын
Bought this on VHS many years ago....blew me away, and still it remains my favourite ....wonderful!! Thank you 😚
@giglistignanipinza
@giglistignanipinza 6 жыл бұрын
My very favorite version of this beautiful piece 😊
@primobaritono
@primobaritono 17 жыл бұрын
Wow, he looks so celtic !!! Great singer, Great artist.
@SymphonyBrahms
@SymphonyBrahms 2 жыл бұрын
He was Canadian.
@berlinman46
@berlinman46 16 жыл бұрын
Jon Vickers my Favorite Heldentenor,and a wonderful musician,a Male Callas..just try the Dallas Medeas` he did with her stunning!!
@Johnny1206
@Johnny1206 16 жыл бұрын
Lorenz, Melchior, Völker and Vickers are my favorite tenors in the wagnerian repertoire.
@stranraerwal
@stranraerwal Жыл бұрын
Völker wasn't a Wagner tenor-he sang some excerpts.
@kidd32888
@kidd32888 15 жыл бұрын
Such grace with a big voice!!
@talvela100
@talvela100 6 жыл бұрын
Grandissimo e indimenticabile Maestro
@Labienus
@Labienus 15 жыл бұрын
this is also a fairly early recording I 'd have to dispute your "feeling" that he doesn't know what he's singing he ALWAYS knew what he was singing about, studied it, pondered it, the words were essential to him and not simply for sound projection His whole concept was tied to the drama more than the singing itself so the words and meaning obsessed him I know at least later in his career he learned to speak German well enough(unlike many singers)
@goldiebrightcomet9129
@goldiebrightcomet9129 11 жыл бұрын
Are you deaf? LOL - Vickers was a master. And what a voice! Indeed, oh would we had a Vickers today.... Have you heard his recording of Peter Grimes? Incredible really... full of colour and strength - no one matches him.
@photo161
@photo161 6 жыл бұрын
His live performances of Grimes very superior to that recording. He experienced a marked vocal decline after 1974.
@Labienus
@Labienus 15 жыл бұрын
What a bunch of odd comments about one of the most remarkable singers to ever appear on an opera stage I heard him live many times-the voice was huge even the top could be great with the right approach it was like surround sound in the theater His German was well idiosyncratic but hardly awful his soft singing could carry to the last row Why would Corelli sing Wagner? that was not his fach his voice was also huge with the most brilliant top ever heard and was intuitively musical
@paulostroff99
@paulostroff99 15 жыл бұрын
Jon Vickers rules. Bravo! TY.
@mezereum
@mezereum 17 жыл бұрын
el mejor Heldentenor de todos los tiempos. mi humilde opinion
@AnaLuiza-rl9ee
@AnaLuiza-rl9ee Жыл бұрын
De acordo
@holgate1970
@holgate1970 7 жыл бұрын
Constance Lambert ( rip 12-13-2016), John Victors, George London, Joe Roulou, Andre Turp. legends in Canadian Opera!!
@donaldrose
@donaldrose 14 жыл бұрын
Vickers always sang with tenderness and musicality while del Monaco seemed to need to sing at the top of his voice at every opportunity. Having said that, there is a instance here on KZbin where del Monaco sings In Fernem Land from Lohengrin with great sensitivity and musicality and his voice had a lovely sound.
@marksmith3947
@marksmith3947 2 жыл бұрын
I have found Vickers exceeds MdM in being expressive most of the time. For instance, JV was overwhelming as Canio , much more effective than MdM
@garyblais8602
@garyblais8602 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine a Canadian that can sing Wagner like that . His Lohengrin is Unsurpassed .
@franzleiermann4955
@franzleiermann4955 2 жыл бұрын
Never sang the part.........
@jordipanadesribera6890
@jordipanadesribera6890 2 жыл бұрын
Wundervolle Heldentenor.
@surtr9728
@surtr9728 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine it on a modern recording equipment
@BrianJosephMorgan
@BrianJosephMorgan 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@Piacevole
@Piacevole 17 жыл бұрын
His voice is incredibly focused! Almost hard.. But I love this.
@giuseppedimarco8358
@giuseppedimarco8358 7 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Wunderbares! Singen!
@wanderleyreis7233
@wanderleyreis7233 8 жыл бұрын
BRAVO!!!
@vickersman
@vickersman 16 жыл бұрын
I don't understand this statement at all.I'm sure you have a strong point, but would you mind making it clearer. I'm listening to "Him" sing Wintersturme as I write this....and to me his was the best tenor voice of the century (20th)-including Caruso,Corelli,Bjorling,all fall behind...the voice just had so much character, very few tenors can ever master the "heroic "tenor quality.Jon did.But,it wasn't easy.
@vickersman
@vickersman 17 жыл бұрын
My favourite tenor-so a great pleasure to see this.Such a strange set-up, with Vickers "up- on- high", -didn't help the sound recording very much. Still, the then 39 year old Vickers sounds wonderful.
@omairagamboa7821
@omairagamboa7821 5 жыл бұрын
Bravísimo!
@sgnmath1234
@sgnmath1234 16 жыл бұрын
Check out the lady's hat at 0:19
@vickersman
@vickersman 15 жыл бұрын
I can't really add more than I have already stated on Vicker's falsetto(as distiguished from head voice.)He used it in soft passeges to great advantage,but to me seeing all of Dichterliebe falsetto-well it's not my favourite-but he was a heldontenor,and I'd say he NEVER, EVER sounded like a barker or honker.But he could unleash power like none other!That's what I think we love to hear in Jon Vickers-the power,wrapped in a beautiful sound.
@ezequielstepanenko3229
@ezequielstepanenko3229 4 жыл бұрын
Most beautiful voice in wagnerian history
@SymphonyBrahms
@SymphonyBrahms 2 жыл бұрын
After Melchior.
@marksmith3947
@marksmith3947 2 жыл бұрын
Most expressive
@piasecznik
@piasecznik 15 жыл бұрын
I think he knows that, the colours of his voice match the content of the words he's singing pretty well. I agree about his German though, most vowels are somewhat off, plus he was singing 'Keim und Spross entspricht seiner Kraft', not '....entspringt' . Despite of all that, his singing is great, and I believe that he improved his German later on, as evident in his Fidelio.
@vickersman
@vickersman 16 жыл бұрын
I don't see any veins popping, as you suggest.I also think the rest of your statement is wrong.He is singing unmiked at the back of the orchestra and singing over them.If you think Melchior had a more beautiful voice than Vickers-heaven help us! Vickers was an excellent musician.I sang on stage with him and watched him "teach" a conductor or two.He WAS Otello on stage-perhaps there were others who sometime sang better-but none acted better!
@Labienus
@Labienus 15 жыл бұрын
I had to laugh a bit after reading your comment on the Sat. Met broadcast they had an intermission feature with the German diction coach Vicker's singing this (not this recording) was playing in the background as an example of good diction! I prefer my idiosyncratic to your "actually not very good" I played phrases that bothered me to German friends-didn't bother them reminded me that distortion, always occurs in singing also that there is great variety in pronunciation even today in Germ
@nickdryad
@nickdryad 2 жыл бұрын
Vickers was a legend Best Peter Grimes ever!
@Labienus
@Labienus 14 жыл бұрын
Seems to be some confusion regarding the original motivation for my response. So you have me confused. I am talking about the means of vocal production which derive from the Italian bel canto tradition. There's a right way to sing for our music, and that can be applied to any style, any era. What a particular artist brings to it in terms of interpretation and depth, meaning etc. varies-but the core vocal techniques - how you create the sound-should be the same.
@photo161
@photo161 6 жыл бұрын
If I remember corectly, Vickers sang 3 arias at this concert.
@cfreetenor
@cfreetenor 14 жыл бұрын
@unethicaldenier He's a dramatic tenor singing a Wagner aria. I have a feeling your idea of 'lyrical' is the antithesis of thrilling.
@ezequielstepanenko3229
@ezequielstepanenko3229 6 жыл бұрын
The best
@dg6da
@dg6da 14 жыл бұрын
...and a very good german pronounciation!
@egymagyar1111111
@egymagyar1111111 14 жыл бұрын
@erd5215 thanks, I was in doubt for long years, and had to recognise your reason he is the gretast, in Norma in Orange 1973 or so yes MDM was the only who could match this tempest
@vickersman
@vickersman 16 жыл бұрын
Vicker's had one thing that so many big-voiced barkers never had-and that is a beautiful head voice-which he used to amazing lengths-sometimes too much?I think he learned this from George Lambert(his teacher at the Toronto Conservatory)Lambert was a big voiced baritone.I think he taught Vickers how to handle his large sound.Did he have some rough nights- of course he did.I liken it to driving a large truck down an icy road at 80.Sometimes there are slips.Big voices are hard to handle-I know!
@yourfieldofdreams
@yourfieldofdreams 14 жыл бұрын
if i were singing up there all i would be thinking "i hope i don't fall"
@kymanthony3977
@kymanthony3977 2 жыл бұрын
Most human sounding heldentenor ever.
@jbjorling
@jbjorling 15 жыл бұрын
Which video were you talking about? Do you mean the ones of Bryan Register?
@291rko
@291rko 2 жыл бұрын
How did he get up there?
@SymphonyBrahms
@SymphonyBrahms 2 жыл бұрын
Jon Vickers, John King, and Wolfgang Windgassen were great Wagnerian tenors. But Lauritz Melchior was the greatest Wagnerian tenor.
@thomasdahlen2158
@thomasdahlen2158 5 жыл бұрын
Why is he standing on this balcony.Vickers and Birgit Nilsson was someting.
@Labienus
@Labienus 14 жыл бұрын
Again don't get your pt. We know that the style of singing (in Italian opera) became more dramatic and realistic at the beginning of the 20ieth cent-and not just Caruso. Pre-verisimo Ital. opera had more standard forms and a kind of instrumental style for the voice-but we know eg Callas -that the same music could be sung in the style but also with great meaning. Plenty of Germ maybe more Austrian! who sang beautifully-because they understood the Italian tradtion combined it with their style
@ShawDAMAN
@ShawDAMAN 13 жыл бұрын
@unethicaldenier I quite liked him as Don Jose, Otello, and Rhadames as well. I'm not german so I can't comment on his pronunciation..... however I can assure you he has german fans. Like Callas and others, the attraction is power and emotional intensity, and I guess 'musical intelligence.' Not so much wanting to hear a beautiful sound.
@ShawDAMAN
@ShawDAMAN 15 жыл бұрын
Corelli couldn't sing Wagner and Fidelio. Vickers didn't scream. His voice could be a bit dry perhaps but by all (or most) accounts it was great to hear live. And no, Corelli was not a very musical singer at all, although he had an incredible voice.
@TheVaughan5
@TheVaughan5 8 жыл бұрын
I'm a great admirer of Jon Vickers but in this particular role I prefer the recording by James King/VPO/Solti who imparts more melody in his voice.
@Erkele
@Erkele 17 жыл бұрын
That is fine 3,34 seconds.
@MrGratefulheart
@MrGratefulheart 10 жыл бұрын
I think that with having the orchestra before him, it must have been more like singing at Bayreuth... and of course, Vickers has the horn to sing from the cheap seats!
@franzleiermann4955
@franzleiermann4955 2 жыл бұрын
In Bayreuth, the orchestra is not placed in front of the singers, but below them.
@sobatinyela
@sobatinyela 15 жыл бұрын
all other WIntersturmes on youtube bow down to this one.. ein Meister! but you fanboys need to relax about the "back of the orchestra" BS.. any resonant, "larger" voice would carry in that situation due to the phenomenon of the singer's formant. I'm also sure he didn't just show up and decide to sing from back there on the day of the performance!! His position was probably experimented with during rehearsal until the best balance was achieved... relax!
@Labienus
@Labienus 15 жыл бұрын
Certainly I defer if it is your native language I study it forever! and am particularly sensitive to it being sung My friends one is a language teacher , another MD/psych opera fanatic-only passing on their reactions and as you know in Germ. as in GB regionalisms still predominate but too many great opera singers have not really "known"/or at all- the language they sing in but Vicker's would have worked his ass off on meaning even early in his career
@berlinman46
@berlinman46 16 жыл бұрын
Tolg364 Melchoir was a Pushed up Heldentenor in that he started his career as a Baritone, and I have allways found his voice a bit too Steely for me!! allthough he was "OK" I prefer Jon Vicers
@piasecznik
@piasecznik 14 жыл бұрын
@Labienus and there were lots more good German (or Austrian) bel canto singers. Slezak, Schmidt, Jadlowker, Tauber...
@Labienus
@Labienus 15 жыл бұрын
so much even great singing (although to a native speaker there is always a difference) is by singers not fluent in it-how could they possibly know all the languages required today?-except somone like Gedda I remember a story about Hotter coaching J. Morris who did not/does not? "know" German-and saying something about well he might not know it but he can sure sing it I always found Vickers e's i's odd as in Euch werde Lohn but several native speakers had no problem you do-what can I say?
@piasecznik
@piasecznik 14 жыл бұрын
@Labienus no- more like because Wagner wanted it that way. 'Wagner (18131883) decried the Italian singing model, alleging that it was concerned merely with "whether that G or A will come out roundly". He advocated a German school of singing which would draw "the spiritually energetic and profoundly passionate into the orbit of its matchless Expression"'
@piasecznik
@piasecznik 14 жыл бұрын
@Labienus Well, I don't know. When I listen to very old recordings by pre-Caruso tenors, for instance Tamagno, I think that they're incredibly boring. Wagner describes my feelings there actually perfectly, that they're just concerned with their -perfect- vocal production, but not with emotions. A Wagner singer often values interpretation over beautiful singing, a little bit like Verismo singers. Well, and in Wagner operas good interpretation mostly results in barking.
@dg6da
@dg6da 15 жыл бұрын
...Vickers is "screaming"? Are you insane?
@wotan10950
@wotan10950 4 жыл бұрын
In another Vickers-Wintersturme video, he announced beforehand that he thought this aria represents evil. Evil!! I couldn’t believe it. He agreed that it’s a beautiful piece, but said that beauty often hides evil. I can’t watch him sing this anymore - I never thought of Siegmund-Sieglinde as evil, and I don’t think Wagner thought so either. Weird.
@jamesmorris1657
@jamesmorris1657 3 жыл бұрын
Well he certainly sounds evil. I don’t like his voice at all.
@gweiss5000
@gweiss5000 3 жыл бұрын
Vickers was a devout Christian who refused to sing the title role in Tannhauser
@Labienus
@Labienus 14 жыл бұрын
@piasecznik you would sing Wagner a lot better if you had a good understanding of bel canto For a long time Wagner singing was afflicted with the Bayreuth bark-precisely because singing was confused with declamation and not good at that evenness beauty of tone a good musical line is not incompatible with clarity of text Wunderlich was exceptional because he incorporated the bel canto tradition even when singing in German
@pepeelsordo
@pepeelsordo 4 жыл бұрын
Vickers was a monster in his repertoire, and in the theater, I am sure, was impressive. In recordings he was not a Mediterranean singer. His sound is disagreeable to me, but art is subjective. He was one of the great ones, but in his repertoire.
@piasecznik
@piasecznik 14 жыл бұрын
@chichovifil You don't need to have a good understanding of bel canto to sing Wagner. And if you think that Fritz Wunderlich doesn't know how to do belcanto, you have no clue. Most of the best Wagner, Schubert, Beethoven singers are German. Not all of them, some are from countries around Germany, like Denmark (Melchior) or Norway (Flagstad), but most are German.
@vickersman
@vickersman 16 жыл бұрын
A male Callas-what an insult!-yes Callas was a great...great talent as an operatic actress, but her voice faded fast-compared to the heroical exploits of Maestro Vickers,who not only championed the notion of 'singing actor', but maintained a vocal ecellence that lasted, unblemmished into his 60's. The same can not be said of diva Callas, who unfortunately relied too much on what she had done and less on what she could do.
@caninbar
@caninbar 15 жыл бұрын
Too many words!!!!
@donaldrose
@donaldrose 16 жыл бұрын
Vickers was a fine musician but willingly put dramatic values over musical valus. Note that in this he is singing at THE BACK of a full orchestra and unmiked. Not many singers have the power or the 'cojones' to attempt this.
@Labienus
@Labienus 14 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Wagner but he also admired Bellini surely not for the orchestration? What he was decrying was frivilous singing not proper vocal production I think he turned over in his grave when the maniac Cosima codified Bayreuth singing as BAD singing -that's what it was- thankfully no more Yes we want depth, meaning, spirituality-whatever that is-but that is not incompatible with good singing which for all that derives from the "grand tradition" and based on the principles of bel canto
@robertotorres9945
@robertotorres9945 2 жыл бұрын
K fea vozzzxx pero le saca un no sequé
@nibelung1646
@nibelung1646 10 жыл бұрын
довольно героический вокал, но немного чересчур непосредственный
@olegvr5499
@olegvr5499 8 жыл бұрын
Это обычный драматический тенор. И притом далеко не самый выдающийся. Его голос был с каким-то тускловатым, характерным тембром. К тому же после сорока лет он начал деградировать и хрипеть. Куда ему до Дель Монако или Корелли - он и рядом с ними не стоял!!!
@nibelung1646
@nibelung1646 8 жыл бұрын
Смотря с чем сравнивать, Олег, согласитесь. Если с Виккерсом или Мельхиором-да, если с современниками, то пойди еще найди такого
@sergeymedvedev2493
@sergeymedvedev2493 8 жыл бұрын
Никак не могу назвать его "обычным" тенором. Викерса можно назвать слишком манерным, гнусавым и слишком резким, но никак не "обычным". Это обладатель уникального, ни на кого не похожего голоса, и своеобразной манеры. Да, несомненно, этот голос и манеру можно отнести к категории героических теноров, но этим пение Викерса никак не исчерпывается. Этот певец - яркая индивидуальность, у него есть как преданные поклонники, так противники, которых его пение, скорее, раздражает. Мне Викерс, скорее, не нравится, чем нравится, но, тем не менее, я признаю его величие.
@franzleiermann4955
@franzleiermann4955 2 жыл бұрын
@@sergeymedvedev2493 never heard a tenor less nasal than Vickers......
@josephcold
@josephcold 15 жыл бұрын
lol! IGNORANCE FTL
@caninbar
@caninbar 11 жыл бұрын
Dis sho aint bel canto!
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