Jonathan Pollard: Should Israel Draft Haredim into the Army ?

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@GilbertGreich 3 ай бұрын

Hag Shavuot Sameah!

@Eliezer1018 3 ай бұрын

War is an ugly thing, yet it not the ugliest of things the degraded immoral and unpatriotic attitude which implies nothing is worth fighting for nothing worth defending. This person or people are miserable creatures who have no chance of being kept free unless kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. Respectfully submitted an American Jew, and a US Marine.

@sam80acres67 3 ай бұрын

Well said marine.

@adam9997100 3 ай бұрын

מי שלא שרת בצה''ל צריך לשלם מסים גבהים יותר שרתת בצבא ? יש לך נניח 10% הנחה על המיסים .. עד הפנסיה או כל שיעור שימצא טוב

@CheekyMonkey888 3 ай бұрын

link serving to voting rights

@esseragaroth 3 ай бұрын

OK. So then Arab Muslims won't have voting rights, and the 30% of Haredim Rav Bar Hayim mentions who don't want voting rights will stop being harassed from not serving?

@richardmartyn7865 3 ай бұрын

studying torah has got nothing to do with army service...nothing whatsoever

@Jiggamus 3 ай бұрын

Torah even shows at length the importance of a strong military.

@brucerisen9825 3 ай бұрын

In the torah u r suppose to join the military for 2 years when u are 20 years of age but only men

@HeilPutler-ze9tz 3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@veralevy7036 3 ай бұрын

Of Course Haredi have to join the army. They are Israeli citizens and have to do their part. There are many jobs in the army to do and as well.United Hazala firefighters etc. All israelis have to go to the army the religious people are not an exception The army first, then study, and by the way, the religious or study Torah, when they are three or four years old until the age of 18, so giving three years of their lives to the army, as we all are is a must

@dreznik 3 ай бұрын

King David put his life on the line for Israel. Why won't a haredi?

@nathansavransky678 3 ай бұрын

This interview completely ignores the responsibility of the dati leumi public for accepting to serve without being properly represented in the top ranks of the army and having a say on all army affairs. They have accepted the role of puppets of the deep state, who must blindly follow the shameful rules of engagement inspired by woke leftist generals like Herzi Halevy. They have also accepted the entire package of secular indoctrination that takes place at lower ranks. I believe there is only one Aluf who is dati. As Rabbi Bar Haim correctly pointed out, assuming the political issues issues are worked out, Haredim will never serve in an army where Haredi Rabbis have no say on how army affairs are conducted and halakha is not respected. The real problem is that the Dati leumi public should impose the same conditions. Either you join hands with the Haredim to make Israel a Torah state, or you join hands with the secular to destroy it (in the style of Bennet and Matan Kahane)! And one more thing for Rabbi Bar Hayim: the army also promotes the service of LGBT and disabled individuals at the expense of an efficient army.

@alexjohnson9630 3 ай бұрын

What about arabs in Israel? Should they not have to do some kind of national service?

@veralevy7036 3 ай бұрын

Bedouins and Christian Arabs are serve in the army as well Why do they religious think that they must not serve the army? Of course they must do that it is mandatory for every Israeli girls and boys

@BlimpyBubble 3 ай бұрын

After that 1 year they all are required to serve. // Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest

@mselbit 3 ай бұрын

The chareidim already participate in service: Hatzalah, Zaka etc. Most gemachs too are supported and worked by chareidim and the yeshivish population. To say they don't provide national service is ridiculous and prejudiced.

@piouswhale 3 ай бұрын

Its not the same. In a society surrounded by dogs and villains, everyone has shared responsibility to defend their society. Haredim that live off welfare to study Torah and some even make the women work are not following Judaism. Monasticism is discouraged and we are commanded to work the Earth by the sweat of our brows.

@barbados3592 3 ай бұрын

I would modify what you said to say, saying they do absolutely no good is ridiculous. And you are right. The truth is, they do a lot more than that. We see how the woke have torn apart the Western world. If the Haredim do nothing else, they are an absolute bulwark against which the woke are helpless. We all need each other. Now whether the Haredim are right or wrong vis a vis the British mandate, is as besides the point as whether they should or should not go to the army. The rest of us are simply unwilling to live under the British. זהו. Similarly the Haredim are not going to be compelled against their will to serve whether we like it or not. זהו. We must therefore deal with the reality on the ground and not waste our time with pointless fantasy. And maybe that's exactly what Hashem really wants anyway.

@BlimpyBubble 3 ай бұрын

Deuteronomy 24:5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

@KredAssenstein 3 ай бұрын

#End_Islam_Now

@KredAssenstein 3 ай бұрын

@cobraTate21921 they are in reality barely a billion “people”. And they can find another religion.

@bernadettepergolese4607 3 ай бұрын

Thank You both so much for the insight always ... IDF IS THE ARMY G-D FOR ISRAEL TO FIGHT EVIL ... i agree with Jonathan Haredim should go the the army ... HAG SHAVUAT SAMEAH ...

@Eliezer1018 3 ай бұрын

@72Yonatan 3 ай бұрын

The biblical army was composed of males above the age of 20, excepting the Kohanim and the three Levite tribes - no females were involved in combat. Devorah is a biblical exception, as she was herself a prophet and a judge when there was no responsible man. The issue now is that the secular establishment wishes to combine females in order to promote lewd conduct and to lower the morale and the standards. See how the woke US army today has to preach pronoun usage and includes transgender folks, and you will see what the future holds. Women could certainly be utilized in non-combat roles, such as intelligence units and communications. Unfortunately, the present hierarchy in the IDF totally ignored a female scout unit which reported the unusual extra activities of the HAMAS in the months before the 7th of October 2023. And you know the rest of the story. Those female soldiers were not even given a phone call to wake up their unit and many of them were killed on that fateful day, without any backup arriving for several hours. And most of the help that came to the rescue was from ordinary citizens with arms, not an official set of orders. God help us to resolve these issues for the good of all. Thank you for your service to the USA, Eliezer.

@Danielseven-ir2mq 3 ай бұрын

The army is a woke organization. 13:02 . Well said. They want to take the children of the faithful and make them secular. Religious families don't want to lose their children to secularism.

@lawrencetendler7747 3 ай бұрын

Religious families do not want to do anything, they do not want to work ,they do not want serve in the army .

@Daniel-jv1ku 3 ай бұрын

Regardless of any criticisms, the religious sector that is not Haredi serves in the army. Our security is more important. Refusing to serve based on secularism in the army, which has declined A LOT, is tantamount to declaring "my very specific version of Judaism is more important than the very existence of the Jewish state and its Jewish residents".

@Danielseven-ir2mq 3 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-jv1ku .I am a Jew first and only afterwards an Israeli.

@Jayla-dj2gj 3 ай бұрын

If their children (adults) can be so easily swayed to be secular they are doing something wrong raising them. They should be strong in their faith enough to go out into the world and still be a religious Jew.

@Danielseven-ir2mq 3 ай бұрын

@@Jayla-dj2gj I respectfully disagree. A good person can be influenced to become bad, a bad person can be influenced to become good. The people you surround with has a great influence ( holds Sway) on you.

@rebeccarunyan3308 Ай бұрын

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez let Jonathan speak......................

@mikeklein9923 3 ай бұрын

Not disagreeing with your point, but do you realize how ridiculous "woke" sounds

@viviennedamelin9270 2 ай бұрын

Medics are armed in the Israeli Army and I have many of them coming to me for post traumatic stress disorder. I think you mean cook or something like that. That's very boring

@viviennedamelin9270 2 ай бұрын

I think the reason the Haredim will not go to the Army IS that they do not believe it is correct to change their culture or education. They need the army to adopt Torah law, not stupidities from the international community, and to attend to kashrut issues and learning issues .

@viviennedamelin9270 2 ай бұрын

With great respect the Haredim are still here because they fought not to change their education system. And they will do that again. Their education is sacred.

@Shakejuice 2 ай бұрын

Already one of the most cowardly armies in the world, what will the haredim help you?

@joseroshe1059 3 ай бұрын

If Haredites have a problem with the secular nature of the army then what do you have to say to the Haredei unit?

@veralevy7036 3 ай бұрын

Exactly. There is a Haredi unit, and they are all combat soldier us very brave!!!!!!

@therogerseses 2 ай бұрын

They also shirk national service

@lawrencetendler7747 3 ай бұрын

Not just refusing to defend the land / refusing to join the army ,the haredim in Israel refuse to work .

@mselbit 3 ай бұрын

Nonsense. Who are the country's first responders? Who man the ambulances? Who work in the gemachs? Your accusation is foolish and ignorant.

@lawrencetendler7747 3 ай бұрын

@@mselbit Do not try to distort the truth the haredi is useless ,ambulances? you are having a laugh

@goldencalf5144 3 ай бұрын

The Haredi were in the holy land, living peacefully with the Palestinians, long before the Zionists arrived.

@odettepaulin6056 3 ай бұрын

I just want to know.. Why they refused to work?.. Are they so religious that they read the Torah all their life.. How they live?.. And why they hate zionist?

@lawrencetendler7747 3 ай бұрын

@@odettepaulin6056 The haredi refuses to work because he is lazy ,uneducated in non religious matters ,thinks money grows on trees and is constantly buuging people and begging fpor handouts which they call Tzedaka, they abuse peoples generosity.

@leszekwolkowski9856 3 ай бұрын

Sooner or later Haredi Jews will have to acknowledge that G-d helps those who at least show an intention to help themselves. Given the right carrot, they'd make for the best fanatic soldiers.

@juliafried4756 3 ай бұрын

Pourquoi fanatiques ? Je ne trouve pas très gentil de votre part dire " des soldats fanatiques " . Et surtout des hébreux qui sont vraiment adorables, et surtout qui tiennent à la Torah Émet, pour moi des Tsadikims.

@leszekwolkowski9856 3 ай бұрын

@@juliafried4756 fanatycy są najlepsi żołnierze. Jest wiele sposobów do Tsadikim ale, skoro lubisz rucać językami, no to... aunque la mona se vista de seda...

@TruthMattersOfficial 3 ай бұрын

Please provide actual statistics for young men avoiding service. From my kid's school in Ramat Gan, at least 5 boys have fallen in combat

@urielm774 3 ай бұрын

He made it up lol

@chayagross6885 3 ай бұрын

Zaka is almost 100% “ultra orthodox”….is that “army service”? Think we need to encourage Jewish young adults globally to serve in the army. Many Haredim will leave the country before serving in the army! They cannot be in an army that agrees for women to serve in combat units. What does the Torah have to say about that?

@simplyme475 3 ай бұрын

We are so divided, we are in trouble CHAS VE SHALOM The Chareidim must have completely different units. I hope we dontt have an election it will take the attention off the war and we can't afford.

@72Yonatan 3 ай бұрын

Women are NOT commanded to serve in the army. The unfortunate history of the Israeli army is that secular commanders have forced men to serve together with women. But there are a few Haredi units, with kosher food, and without any female combatants. But the Army of the Torah includes all MALES above the age of 20, with the exception of a few Levite tribes and the Kohanim. Problem today is that few people are willing to sit down and to solve this issue in real politic fashion. It could be solved.

@barbados3592 3 ай бұрын

Work together and accept one another where we are as we are as much as we can without compromising ourselves as well. Have faith in our God and each other and ourselves, and turn to Hashem while keeping His laws in the way He tells us He wants us to. And whatever happens, that's the best. Love and Respect.

@bencopeland3560 3 ай бұрын

If the argument is earnest and accurate, that Haredim merely object to serving in a “post-Christian” secular DEI army, then they should embrace service. Their numbers would nudge the institution in their direction and demographic trends over time would mean that they will come to OWN the institution. But if they don’t embrace service then that same demographic trend will spell certain disaster for the country.

@DavidYosephSchreiber 3 ай бұрын

Who's more important the president or his bodyguard?

@alexcarter8807 3 ай бұрын

Trump's bodyguard has a substantially lesser chance of being a rapist, a traitor, and a 34 times felon. So if Trumpo goes bye-bye, nothing good will be lost. The bodyguard, eh, he might actually be a good person, there's at least a slight chance.

@veralevy7036 3 ай бұрын

If the Haredi are afraid that there people when they serve in the army will not be religious anymore that's a problem. If you are a strong believer in faith, the army will not change that. The Haredi demanding special rules only for them. The army is not a kindergarten. The army is the same for everyone who is serving.

@joseroshe1059 3 ай бұрын

You can’t compare a whole entire demographic not serving and 30% of another one not serving. It isn’t even close.

@urielm774 3 ай бұрын

He made up the 30% part

@Newoak 3 ай бұрын

Not enough arguments as to why. In G-d I trust.

@barbados3592 3 ай бұрын

It's never been our way to force any man to fight against his will. Practically speaking, whether they should or not go, they are only going if they want to. If you want them there you are going to have to compromise and work with them. Otherwise, it's not happening.

@johndoe-vc1we 3 ай бұрын

Managing conscripts is tough for any military. Imagine ones that conscientiously don't want to be there.

@shlamushaaretz5357 3 ай бұрын

Consideration must be given to the fact that study of Torah by the Charadie students should be preserved as it generates national spiritual protection no less than the armed forces.

@urielm774 3 ай бұрын

Hesder progams have been around for decades. Stop making up excuses!

@innocentodenigbo7284 3 ай бұрын

That's interesting.

@johnfrankis4945 3 ай бұрын

7:01 Moshe told Israel to take the Promised Land and they refused. YHVH was furious. He killed them all in his fierce anger. Fear G-d and obey his mitzvot.

@72Yonatan 3 ай бұрын

Obviously, you have not read the Torah fully.

@johnfrankis4945 3 ай бұрын

@@72Yonatan What did I miss?

@PaulBCohen 3 ай бұрын

What do man made kosher laws have to do with being Jewish? Abraham served God meat and milk. These are not Abrahamic Jews.

@goldencalf5144 3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 You're going to draft people who disavow Zionism into the Zionist army? That'll be the day 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@deavman 3 ай бұрын

They are mostly not for or against zionism. And you calling the IDF "the zionist Army" tells me exactly who you are. Your opinion is irrelevant.

@Achdus5772 3 ай бұрын

Why are perfectly qualified... more than qualified commanders, passed over for promotion because they're religious? All the "Elite" commanders are Wexner Foundation hard core secularists. You can call them Zionists if you like. What did they do to Ofir Winter? Passed over him because he mentions G-d.

@judeavision8807 3 ай бұрын

Im haredi, i volunteered in the army. There's probably more of us in the army per capita than the lefties, since hating israel is the current fad for them.