First Look at Navigraph Charts 8

A first look at Navigraph Charts 8 - showing the various elements of the interface, how to programme flights, how the various searches work, and the new VFR mode. Amazing upgrade.
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[@jonbeckett]

Apologies for the clicking noise while recording - I obviously need to get a new headset or microphone.

[@Lone_GamerUK]

just need to have the filters and gate right on streamlabs/obs etc in my experiance

[@Navigraphteam]

Great tutorial Jonathan! We are working on the in-game charts, the new vector tile technology we are using doesn't seem to be compatible with the rendering technology in MSFS. Moreover, we are suspecting that there would be performance drops in the simulator if we made it read the amount of data which is needed to display the new version of charts. We are researching this challenge and hopefully, we shall find a solution (or an alternative).

[@jonbeckett]

What you have done so far is great. To be honest, the plate only interface is fine for most use cases inside the sim.

[@GumperVanLier]

What an update! Thanks, Jonathan, for the quick review. Lots to learn.

[@jonbeckett]

You're welcome!

[@mcroudson]

Brilliant. I have been struggling with the new version changes since yesterday but your video has helped a lot. Thank you so much. You are one of the biggest assets to the sim community.

[@_pjd]

I only started paying for Navigraph after they released v8 with these added VFR tools. Well worth the money now if you fly VFR. Thanks for the video.

[@jonbeckett]

It's still missing quite a lot of useful things though, like being able to draw on the map.

[@KimFieldstad]

Good video, as always. I would like to see a little nav map comparison. LNM profile view is great for terrain and choosing an altitude to fly. Plus, it's free.

[@jonbeckett]

LittleNavMap accepts donations ;)

[@leerose9436]

Thanks Jonathan ! Just updated mine! Wow comes to mind ! That’s a lot more user friendly in my opinion and so easy to navigate! Good job Navigraph team ! Very impressive for sure 👍🙏🏻✈️👨‍✈️

[@jonbeckett]

I like it - but then I only bought Navigraph recently, so not "set in my ways" yet :)

[@Lone_GamerUK]

Thanks for review and updates on latest changes. 👍👍

[@jonbeckett]

No problem 👍

[@kencrowe1965]

Fantastic tutorial!!!

[@Dreamsofwings]

I’ve only just got into Navigraph with the basic data package but watching your excellent video I am very tempted to upgrade. What a fantastic tool this is!

[@foolerysworld3324]

Just the information I was looking for. Thank you for sharing this!

[@jonbeckett]

You're welcome :)

[@user-kx8wo5cw9p]

Yet another excellent video from you Jonathan which clarifies a lot of the stuff I was battling with. One thing tho I was hoping you would do and that was adding the arrival, approach, and departures to the test route after the auto procedure disconnected the initial ones. But, just another thing to figure out. Anyway, great intro to something I'm sure will be very useful.

[@sampalmer9628]

Thanks for this, Jonathan. I'll be playing with this for hours! :)

[@jonbeckett]

You're welcome :)

[@ralphconnell8163]

Excellent. Just what I needed. Thanks for your time doing this. Very much appreciated.

[@jonbeckett]

Great to hear!

[@raulenriquemoya6292]

Jonathan, your knowledge, sequencing, clarity and on the spot honesty is commendable and very much appreciated. Thank you for helping me decide to buy the Navigraph yearly Subscription…. Cheers from CaptainREM.

[@07GoldWinger]

Thanks Jonathan! Just in time for SU11! Can't wait to put this to use!

[@jonbeckett]

Cheers :)

[@davidhenry3225]

Thanks so much for producing this excellent video - you explain a lot of the new features very clearly and have saved me a lot of time of "hit and miss"!

[@jonbeckett]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Paul-td8qs]

Navigraph has always been an outstanding aid for simulation; "8" is a whole new level. Initially there was an issue with being required to log-in each time you minimized the program but thankfully that has been solved. A great program and well covered, Jonathan.

[@jonbeckett]

Yes - they solved the login problem on day one. Everybody got an email for the update - no need to tell everybody again :)

[@jamisonr]

Reading your comment, my immediate thought was that some poor developer put some code to reset login credentials on the minimize button (to help debug something runtime perhaps), and forgot to take it out and it got by code review. Glad they fixed it.

[@stephenjones8928]

As an amateur GIS guy this is very impressive; from the seamless integration of the base map and chart layers to the speed of the servers to the feature set and the UI--very nice!

[@jonbeckett]

I'm impressed :) I imagine there will be complaints about the spotty VFR circuit coverage at launch, but I imagine it will improve quickly.

[@stephenjones8928]

@@jonbeckett There is no doubt that Navigraph plows money back into development. True entrepreneurs!

[@jonbarto9146]

I got a degree in GIS 3 years ago but never did anything with it (COVID hit, most professional GIS people have long tenures and there is saturation) but I keep my eyes open for GIS type things.

[@jacobmines1577]

Great video Jonathan! Tremendously informative and thorough as always. I've been playing with this new update all afternoon and I think it's fantastic. I love that we can now use 'track up' (set in the 'moving maps' options), the elevation contour lines and too many other new incredible features to list. As someone who loves to fly the Bae 146 and DC-6 using traditional navigation methods, I would love to see an autoroute option/toggle added that would use only VOR and NDB's from Dept/Dest, but that's just me being lazy. Of course with the fantastic new info overlays and everything else we can toggle on and off, all that traditional nav data and victor airways can be fairly easily used to manually create those kinds of routes, though it takes a little longer, but I suppose that's all part of the fun, yeah? Also, if you visit the Navigraph forums, you'll see that the devs are very aware of the constant *log out/reauthorize* issue and a massive amount of users are experiencing this, including myself. I did a short hop from CYYZ (Toronto, ON) > KCRW (Charleston, NC) and had to re-login/reauthorize 4 times in about 1 hour and 20 minutes. Kind of annoying but the devs say they're on it and hoping to fix it quite quickly. Sadly, at the moment it's also been clearly stated by Navigraph that the bulk of these new features won't be coming to the in-game Navigraph charts anytime soon, which has obviously upset a huge amount of users, especially those who play exclusively in VR. Something to do with the new Navigraph tech using vector imagery for maps and the incompatibility of MSFS to natively work with said tech... though who knows what development trickery/genius Navigraph might come up with to get things to play nicely in the coming weeks/months. Again, most of this info I found today on the Navigraph forums while looking for a solution or explanation regarding the constant need to 'reauthorize' the native Windows/OSX apps. For any interested I'd look there for more info yourself about all that.

[@jonbeckett]

I'm lucky in that I don't have a long track record using Navigraph, so no "investment" as such. For those upgrading after years using early versions, I can understand their frustrations.

[@jakew9887]

Just starting to use version 8. Thanks for the preview.

[@jonbeckett]

You're welcome!

[@azbob412]

Very informative. Thank you very much. Good work.

[@jonbeckett]

Cheers :)

[@philipg6463]

Your videos are top notch without a doubt, so thank you for your kind efforts. My humble comment would be there is more to the world then just Stansted and Edinburgh airports, have a good day.

[@jonbeckett]

Yes - there are lots, and lots, and lots - I just use them because I've used them before so there is some familiarity there. Noted for the future.

[@mikecoffee100]

Spot on Video Thank You again

[@jonbeckett]

You're very welcome

[@mickyaussie2364]

Thank you Jonathan! For all you do for the community as well. (We see you 😉) I think Navigraph did a great job on this new version. I am sure they will keep on improving and are listening close to the community. The only little remark I have is the logout~issue but I think there is an update already for that.

[@jonbeckett]

It was fixed yesterday.

[@Jrgn]

Great video, thanks. Charts 8 plans flights without knowing the airframe. E.g. it gives me a FL380 when I want to use the Baron 58. A real simbrief-integration including airframes would be nice.

[@beescan22]

Excellent information sir! Thanks for your time and effort in explaining the new version for us; cleared up a lot of questions I had. Good work, much appreciated.

[@jonbeckett]

My pleasure!

[@pocketedition2348]

Thanks for that Mr Beckett

[@jonbeckett]

You're welcome :)

[@mikevadnais7722]

Great Job as usual. Once I get the new interface down, it will make things much easier on my second monitor.

[@jonbeckett]

I have a suspicion the new version of Navigraph Charts will work really well on a touch screen.

[@kevingraham2733]

Thanks for doing a video on this, just downloaded it

[@jonbeckett]

Cheers :)

[@MikeSpeekman]

Thank you for sharing

[@jonbeckett]

You're welcome!

[@azbob412]

Very informative. Thank you very much.

[@jonbeckett]

Glad it was helpful!

[@helicopterovirtual-msfs6254]

Fantástico.

[@davidhorobin1060]

Very useful Jonathan thank you. As a real world IFR pilot, it always strikes me as ironic that so much effort has to be put into detailed IFR flight planning, when, in reality, you are almost always vectored by ATC units, here and there, depending on traffic on the day. An actual IFR flight invariably has little relationship to that which was planned and submitted to ‘the system’.

[@jonbeckett]

Yep - I always think the same thing. In the simulator, I find myself saying again and again "here's where we can program the STAR, but we wouldn't do this in the real world until we're en-route - or we just need to be ready to change it" :)

[@JuiceRabbit]

Try entering your route first (EGSS/EGPH) then autoroute, then departure runway and when you select departures Navigraph will suggest the best matching departure 😍 based on your runway and route. Likewise, select arrival runway and when you select arrivals Navigraph will suggest best matching arrivals 😍 for your runway and route.

[@jonbeckett]

Yes - I did it backwards in the video because I was just showing functionality. It's clear to everybody that autoroute overwrites anything you have done - or that you you can click it immediately. I imagine it will appeal to those that like to get in a plane, press three buttons, and then turn the plane back off after it lands and say "did you see how well I flew that?"

[@JuiceRabbit]

@@jonbeckett Lol, sure, looking forward to your next expertly researched video. 🤣

[@yams900]

Just installed, not decided yet if better or not compared to old version...I'd better keep watching :)

[@CMACJAZZ]

Yes Jonathan - Thanks

[@mariuszk2639]

Hi all. I'm just getting around to buying Navigraph for a month and testing it out. I am not yet convinced about the usefulness of Navigraph. I currently use simBrief, Little NaVMap and ChartFox. However, I would like any flight planning to be more integral to the flight simulator itself. And this, as you know, can only be provided by Navigraph, so far, I know of no other alternative.

[@jonbeckett]

Chartfox is great until you want to fly somewhere it doesn't cover.

[@bensteel3944]

I love Navigraph 8 and I would definitely recommend a second screen. It makes a world of difference to your flying experience.

[@jonbeckett]

You can run it on a second computer as well :)

[@bensteel3944]

@@jonbeckett ... Not many can afford a second computer .. lol ... Great review of Navigraph 8 BTW

[@arcangelkq]

Hi Jonathan, great helpful insight to the new Navigraph update 8. Do you know if all these features work in VR. Many thanks.

[@marcw.5492]

Interesting ! If you design a flight plan in NAVI while the aircraft is on the ground does it get loaded into MSFS ? I have a hard time getting NAVI talking to MSFS for some reason. I am currently exporting then loading into MSFS from the world menu. I dont see a way to start in a parking space using Navi. Thanks

[@RevReese]

Great video as always! i have just renewed my subscription since early 2022 and discovered a lot of changes which you have covered well in this video! it is taking me a bit to get used to it, but i now think i will be using this every chance i get! Out of curiosity though, do you think tools like Little Nav Map and PFPX are completely redundant now if you have a Navigraph subscription? I am slowly getting back into flight sim after a long while and i was not exactly experienced with it to start with so i am still trying out all the tools to decide what i want to use. Basically, if i have Navigraph sub and Simbrief, do i need anything else? I really want to use LNM (i love it) and PFPX (still works and i love it), but this looks so good and easy to use plus being able to pull up all the required charts is essential! Thanks again!

[@jonbeckett]

LittleNavMap can do things that Navigraph cannot, and vice versa.

[@RevReese]

@@jonbeckettI get that, LNM has lots and lots of features but Navigraph is so convenient! Will keep juggling between them for now i think.

[@tuhkathri9126]

Interesting. When I imported my flight plan from simbrief, it imported the entire airway even though I'm only using a portion of it in the flight plan. Plus there were dotted purple lines connecting all the various waypoints to each other causing a visual mess. Any idea how to get rid of those?

[@mariuszk2639]

It's me again... 🤭For the second month now, I am struggling with this program.😵‍💫😁 I have a question for an aviation professional. I have a flight planned in the application on the Tablet, when I turn on the simulator I want to have this plan visible in the Navigraf Charts add-on from the bar, how to do it? Of course, without resorting to external programs like Simbrief, etc. THX🤝

[@jonbeckett]

Not having it installed on a tablet, I'm not sure if this is possible. I know the web version will agree with the simulator. Everything you do in the desktop or web version is saved as you do it - so it *should* just show up.

[@petersquires2100]

I only subscribed to Navigraph this morning and before I found your video, I was having a problem when I used the autoroute function as it did exactly the same as what happened to you. The chosen departure route disappeared. What has confused me even more is that when you got in the cockpit and loaded it on your pad, the original departure route magically appeared again. Am I missing something (apart from a few brain cells)?

[@CMACJAZZ]

Hello Jonathan,watched your video re tge new Navigraph 8 release very good as usal , one question do you know if you can upload a flt plan to the FMS in the Cessna CJ4 A/C On another subject how do you put in airways on the CJ4 nav syatem? Thanks for any help on these questions. Cheers Charlie

[@jonbeckett]

I haven't looked at the CJ4 for a while. Are you talking about the Working Title mod? I'll have a look at it when I get a chance.

[@yams900]

My only complaint so far, screen doesn't look very sharp, I mean the resolution...maybe a future update will fix this.

[@jonbeckett]

It looks perfectly sharp on my screen. I wonder if it's to do with your display settings in Windows itself ?

[@scottphillips4888]

How do you save a flight plan though? I usually save it and load into msfs for use in the gtn750.

[@jonbeckett]

You can export flight plans.

[@captpugwash3510]

Great video thanks. Since loading Navigraph 8, my FBW A32NX experimental will not load new flight plan always reverts to the previous on the MCDU even after full reboot. Any ideas much appreciated n thanks

[@jonbeckett]

Have you run the Navigraph Data Center app to make sure everything is updated ?

[@JonseyQ2]

in the previous version, i created a flight plan in MSFS, in the in game panel i got a question for loading in the flightplan into navigraph, and i did. But in the app on my microsoft surface pad, i only see the moving arrow but the flightplan does not show as it did in the in game panel. Simlink have detected the game on pc, but not on the microsoft surface. But the arrow and maps are showing on surface. All thos worked great earlier, but now in the updates version i have no flightplan on the surface... anybody having a problem fix for this?

[@jonbeckett]

I'll have to try this myself. I will say - simlink has got nothing to do with it. Navigraph sends the flight plan to the cloud - simlink sends your aircraft position to the cloud. So it may be that Charts 8 is not completely compatible with other clients in terms of the route. Like I said - I'll try it when I get a chance.

[@captpugwash3510]

I have but still will not connect. I have v.1.0.12 of the NavData Centre. I can make a plan OK but on the MCD it shows FORMAT ERROR and NOT IN DATABASE

[@jonbeckett]

Yep - that means the aircraft doesn't have the waypoints.

[@Q3ark]

Is there a way to display the pdf flight plan that simbrief generates in game? It would be helpful for when in VR

[@jonbeckett]

Not that I'm aware of.

[@roysole3294]

It looks like Avila Soft FFB with more options might be worth taking a look at Thanks for the info and the work you have done

[@jonbeckett]

I'll have to check out Avila Soft.

[@kelvinTran55]

I am curious wonder to have guide how to sign-in on Ipad please, there is no keyboard to type, thanks😢

[@waynesweet4336]

How do you bring up Navigraph charts inside xplane12

[@jonbeckett]

No idea - sorry - I don't have X-Plane 12

[@fernandomonramos1129]

I hope someone can help me with the flight plane from Navi how can I import to my plane I only know simbrief not Navi I want Navi. Cuz it adds the Sid star and even approaching can someone please till I’m how to import the plan in the plne

[@grishagek3290]

Why does it open in the simulator in the old version?

[@jonbeckett]

I'm the wrong person to be asking that. That said, I do know why - because Navigraph got in touch and told me (if you look through the comments, you'll find their response). The new map rendering engine would hit the frame rate if used within the simulator - therefore you're still seeing the old version within the simulator.

[@grishagek3290]

@@jonbeckett Thank you friend !

[@iMiikeyyy]

Any fix for getting logged out frequently?

[@jonbeckett]

Not yet.

[@jonbeckett]

It's been fixed.

[@stevesumner9988]

Not much need for Sky Vector or little nav map anymore.

[@winspeeeed]

No there FREE

[@jonbeckett]

LNM is probably superior as an overall "addition" to the simulator. Navigraph is really more about using real-world charts and plates. It's starting to compete with the likes of LittleNavMap for route planning - but there's a lot it still doesn't do (like the elevation plot, or fuel planning).

[@JonathanPeel]

I am absolutely loving the new Navigraph layout. I have done small play around flights with the VFR map, but I haven't yet had time to plan something nice to try. Maybe this weekend. After first look, there are one or two features from Little Nav Map that would be good (like rings, and distance lines), but otherwise the look of the map is just amazing. because you mentioned the mountain area of LOWI, the engine out video from @737NGDriver should be checked out. Using MSFS, leaving from LOWI, with ATC, he simulates a lost engine after V1 in a 737. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjah4embs2KpaM For anyone interested in that level of Flight Sim the video is 100% must watch (even me who prefers the A320 😝)

[@jonbeckett]

Yep - 737NGDriver is a professional pilot - great to see real-world procedures demonstrated.

[@rolandrayar9336]

how to delete a flightplan ?

[@jonbeckett]

In the flights section, unload the current flight plan, then edit (top left), then you can delete plans.

[@davidcardoza535]

No vfr airspace altitude

[@jonbeckett]

I'm pretty sure it's in there - I probably just didn't show it.

[@jonbeckett]

I just checked - the sectors have their altitudes written on their edges - just like a real sector chart.

[@johncrabtree4112]

There is a very annoying popping sound through out the video which makes it very difficult to listen too. Sorry. Just thought you might like to know

[@jonbeckett]

I know. The headset microphone was packing up. Since then I have switched back to a boom microphone.

[@Wiljosgames]

I dont like the new update, and it has a lot of lag, while playing msfs2020.... i suppose the will fix it

[@jonbeckett]

I think it's great.

[@MrTrustdesa]

For VFR just get Sky4Sim Pad really one off no steep subscription