JonBenét Ramsey special report: Reexamining the case, 28 years later | Dan Abrams Live

In a special edition of "Dan Abrams Live," NewsNation revisits the case of 6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey, who was killed on Christmas 1996 in her Colorado home. Attention has shifted back to the case as the anniversary of her death nears and following Netflix’s newest documentary, “Cold Case: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey?”
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[@andreahill1543]

To know where her bedroom was, to know they use the back stairs, to know the amount of his bonus, to know where the suitcase could be found, to know where the paintbrush could be found, to know where to find paper in the dark, to know where to find a pen in the dark, to navigate the maze of the floorplan in the dark and silently.... this leaves a very short list of suspects. They talk about the length of time it takes to write the letter but what about writing 3 pages in the dark? Does the letter look like it was written in the dark? If the window was the entry/exit route, does it make sense that they intended to force her or carry her through that window? Then, if her through the window wasn't the intent, why write a ransom letter while leaving the victim to be found? All of these points would suggest a disorganized thinking culprit, but then they plan well enough to baffle everyone? I have tried to be objective about this case since the beginning but at this point, a cover-up is the only thing where all of these things make sense.

[@jessi_ag328]

It was someone who knew them or had stalked them. It all boils down to the fact that this person spent several hours in the house familiarizing themselves with the entire house and they had a few hours to kill while the family was at the Christmas party-hence the time to write the ransom note. Its that simple

[@AmyMed24]

I agree killer have visited their home a couple of times and in fact must be on the xmas party that day and stayed in the soooo many rooms they have and attacked the poor baby girl 😱 RIP Jonbennet 🙏

[@bjorojb6642]

The house was put in a Christmas list, other people enter the house because it was historical and saw the Christmas decoration. One of them must be killer. By my take is a kidnapping gone wrong. Jonbennet had told one of her friends she was going to get a secret Santa visit and a lot think that she knew the killer. The killer took great action to know she was dead, so I think she knew him. She was an extroverted child and children talk to anybody. The blow to the head, the strangulation- they made sure she was dead, maybe jonbennet didn’t want to go with them. Jon Ramsey had taken a sleeping pill, his wife was sick with cancer and they must have not heared anything. After the Christmas party they left the house for a family gathering and came back later at night around 9ish or 10ish, jonbennet was asleep and was carried to bed. The killer must have come in and wrote the note while they were gone, the killer most than likely knew them to have that much confidence. The note was left in the stairs prior to the killer going in the room to get jonbennet. Netflix documentary didn’t cover everything, they just want to remind the public and to keep her name alive until they find the killer. Also new dna technology now. They should run a genealogy to see if someone related to the killer is a match and from there narrow it down. A few cold cases murder of young women have been found that way.

[@jacquelinegough1493]

I truly believe what you are saying. I think that in the house a younger maybe jealous predictor. Did this and games had been played as well seen she has previously drama to her private area. Has the DNA of buries friend been tested.

[@jacquelinegough1493]

She is safe in heaven with her mommy. And God will judge in the end. Remember Cain and Able. In the Bible. Jealous and way ti mature for her age. And mental iss I especially. He supposedly whipped poop on her walls in her room. On her Christmas presents. A MMB d the smile on his fave with Dr. Phil is chilling.so many theories. And to tip it off he Burke sued CBS for an undisclosed amt. He was asking fir 750 million. This all I can say but. My feeling which is almost always close. Rest in peace little darling. God bless

[@jacquelineraines2074]

I lived in the area when this happened and this fouled up investigation has infuriated me for decades. I've even wondered if the cop who is blocking everything wasn't somehow involved in the murder or a relative? I've since learned a lot about narcissists and the cop doesn't want to admit that he screwed up and lost pertinent materials? Something ain't kosher.

[@YaYaPaBla]

Exactly

[@chrislejeune-ni9to]

I smell something fishy also, smells like the deep state

[@DogLover_365]

YES!!!!💯💯💯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

There is no cop blocking anything. Which cop? Which relative is involved? Learn some facts before commenting.

[@angeldog1975]

Yeap i lived on the 800 13th st 2 blocks over when this happened i left my doors unlocked bikes on front law nothing ever happened. From the beginning it was always someone who she knew and knew that house

[@jillianromero6441]

The grand jury who heard and saw all the evidence including intruder theory, voted to indict John and Patsy. It would be nice if someone had the guts to tell the real story.

[@thedarkknightrises330]

Go for it. Tell us the real story

[@libbystarke2034]

Yep. Alex Hunter was friends with the family. I think he and JR played golf together.

[@nancyknight4762]

The indictment was for not protecting the child not for killing the child. They left doors unlocked not even was unsure if the door was locked, things of that nature.

[@thedarkknightrises330]

AFTER the Grand Jury, Mary Lacy had more DNA test done. In 2003, the Boulder police developed a DNA profile from saliva found in her underwear and scrapings from both her hands under her fingernails. In 2007, Lacy had JB's clothing tested for "touch DNA" and then chronicled her findings. She apologized to the Ramseys and exonerated the entire family. She said, "The match of male DNA on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of the murder makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items". Lacy then compared the DNA found on both sides of Jonbenet's longjohns and it was a strong match to the profile in CODIS. Here are some of the references: 1. January 9, 1997 CBI Lab Report - Serology 2. January 15, 1997 CBI Lab Report - DNA Testing 3. 2007 Boulder District Attorney Memo: Comparing CODIS profile vs Bode Tech's Lab findings under JB's fingernails 4. Pherson Associates LCC, 2012 Report "The Disappearance and Murder of Jonbenet Ramsey" 5. People Magazine - December 3, 2024 If you can't find all the documents, search "the facts about the DNA jonbenet" and a reddit sub has the documents listed.

[@JFetch]

This was just a couple years after the OJ verdict. He wasn't going to take a wealthy couple to trial and risk losing. Even if it wasn't for the murder itself.

[@davidmcc6666]

I'm still amazed that so called kidnappers have time to write a three-page ransom note in the home of the crime.

[@bethryan9077]

Glenn Meyer took Patsy's notepad when he conned his way into their house on the evening of the 23rd, when the kids & friends Xmas party was in full swing. Patsy didn't even see him there. The marker used belonged to Him. His cohorts had broken in before.

[@TheHoff9]

What most people don’t know is the notepad was not your typical 8 by 11 notebook paper, it was actually written on a notebook paper that was 5 by 8, so yea it’s two and half pages and long, it does look a lot longer then what it was when they take copies

[@lucysnowe31]

@@TheHoff9 Because smaller paper makes it less weird, lol. Whoever it was wrote *practice* letters. Someone wasn't thinking clearly. One assumes a kidnapper who broke into their house would have planned this out very well.

[@Hmmokay111]

The investigation ends at the phony ransom note. An "intruder," would have to assume you will have pen and paper ready for them to write such a note. It doesn't make sense cause it's fake. No one is going to break in and murder a child in the house. Why would an "intruder," tell them to be rested when they were supposedly already asleep in their beds? LOL. Patsy wrote that because SHE was tired.

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

​@lucysnowe31 the small foreign faction - left penniless - yet oddly never struck again? It's good to see not everyone falls for this wool pulled over the eyes.

[@NathanielIReiff]

Stop it. There’s nothing to re-examine. Someone in that household killed her and they all conspire to cover it up

[@lauracekot7582]

Agree. I’m so sick of the intruder theory. It never made any sense. DNA is compromised, is a mix of individuals, and the crime scene was contaminated. Everything else points to inside job. I think it was an accident by Burke or Patsy, and then covered up.

[@taroman7100]

It's an uneasy feel I get about the mother and father. She's not a great actress.

[@circussounds855]

that’s crazy. none of them did it & they’ve been vilified for years. not right!

[@marygarvey8495]

I agree. My theory is an angry older brother (see report references to pineapple); then, the parents covered. Overkill of evidence

[@michaeladams5636]

@@circussounds855ridiculous

[@lindarossouw3489]

And the mother didn't touch the note? How did she read the note? Where are fingerprints?

[@winnowmethis9501]

Either that note was written by Patsy or it was someone who knew her very well and had a vendetta against her. The note is the key piece of evidence. Never mind if the handwriting was conclusive or not, it is the content of the letter that draws a straight line to Patsy or by someone who knew about Patsy's past as a beauty contestant where Patsy regaled the audience with a reading from the book/movie, the "Prime of Miss Jean Brody", where the same misspelled words highlighted in the book where in the note along with that high-brow term "attache". Far too close to the mark to be of random chance. No fingerprints! Very telling. That would suggest that Patsy leaned over the staircase to read the note without touching it. That is the only way her fingerprints weren't on it, unless she picked it up with tongs. Had anyone ever asked Patsy how she handled the note? The fact that there were no fingerprints, suggests that it was by design that none of hers would be found on the note to steer away from incrimination. Same as with the flashlight. There is no way a flashlight would not have fingerprints on it or the batteries. The batteries must have been removed and wiped down to eliminated fingerprints. All of the media is now buying into John's narrative, hook, line and sinker. Classic case of misdirection.

[@mariawood2467]

Who dosent just pick a note up of the floor and just reads it standing over it. Yet John said she did pick it up

[@winnowmethis9501]

@@mariawood2467 Exactly. Plus, I heard an interview where Patsy said in her own voice that she picked up the note. If she had, there would be fingerprints. But as it stands, I think she wrote the note and made sure her finger prints weren't on the note while writing it, and never touched it afterwards. But she stated that she did pick it up. A flaw in the perfect plan. Patsy incriminated herself in that statement alone. And the other piece of evidence I took note of was that she said that she got up out of bed and 'got dressed'. Got dressed? She was wearing the same clothes from the night before. No woman would put on the same clothes (party clothes I might add) first thing in the morning. Also incriminating.

[@jimhudson8491]

You apparently believe that when someone touches a piece of paper, one or more prints must be left. Please try to show more curiosity about how evidence is created and gathered. Especially before accusing innocent people of lying or hiding the truth. Fingerprints are left behind due to the natural oils, sweat, and debris on the skin. Washing hands removes or reduces these substances, which can make fingerprints:• Fainter or incomplete: Less oil and moisture means fewer residues to transfer. Less defined: Clean hands leave less contrast when touching smooth surfaces like paper. Completely dry hands after washing may leave fewer or no prints. However, if the hands remain damp, they can still leave visible marks. Type of Paper: Glossy paper (e.g., magazine pages) is more likely to show fingerprints because of its smooth surface. Matte or porous paper (e.g., printer paper, note pad paper) may absorb oils and sweat, making fingerprints less visible but still detectable under proper forensic analysis. Look within and try to find some humility. You and thousands of similar armchair sleuths have thoughtlessly hurt Patsy Ramsey, John Ramsey, and their child Burke.

[@winnowmethis9501]

@@jimhudson8491 I have a response to that, "red fibers". Fibers in the ligature. Fibers on the blanket. Fibers in the paint tray. Fibers on the duct tape that were on the inside of the tape, where that tape was left behind in the basement when the body was brought upstairs when Patsy hugged the remains. Her statement, that she hugged the remains and wrapped her arms around the body, where Patsy was wearing that same red sweater from the night before as her response to the reporter who asked her about the 'red fibers' AFTER that was asked of her in discovery where she did not respond. That hug did not deposit red fibers on to the duct tape! And let's not forget the ransom note supposedly written by a 'foreign faction' with language I dare say a person with a second language would not likely have written. Also, the similarities to the "Miss Jean Brodie" story. The same misspelled word like in the story. The attache. The "hence". Oils? I see. Patsy washed her hands and came down stairs and picked up the ransom note. Therefore, left no fingerprints. Even if that was the case, does it sweep aside the similarities in verbiage in the ransom note to Patsy? Does it sweep aside the red fibers? Take a look at the totality of what is relevant. No one will ever know exactly what happened except POSSIBLY those who were in the home that night. And the public was denied a trial that had been concluded there was enough evidence to press charges that never materialized because of an ELECTED DA over road the voice of the local citizens in the grand jury.

[@jkennaw4314]

Gimme a break with Geraldo. What a nonce. He should have no part in true crime.

[@lisakaye3919]

He’s always been so cringe

[@SouthTX511]

I thought he retired and moved out of this country! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sfletch3042]

He broke the Willowbrook story. He's a legit journalist

[@cinderbella9391]

Agree

[@kellykell9620]

The blanket JB was wrapped in was not from her bed. It was taken out the dryer. A pedi killer isn’t going to know there is a blanket in the dryer. Inside job.

[@Ezbpete]

Source?

[@TMoney76]

Ok case closed then. They should’ve just called you when it happened.

[@prettystitches1]

yep he also isn't going to take her down to the kitchen to feed her a bowl of pineapple. This whole intruder theory is ridiculous

[@Cuzlightyear03]

@@prettystitches1and the fact that she was in the basement come tf on

[@vicksta8875]

​@Ezbpete It's been told for decades and told from Patsy and the House keeper..

[@GetMeThere1]

0:25 ..."that the parents were the initial suspects, and that most believe they had nothing to do with it..." Uh, speak for yourself. IMO most people STILL believe the parents are somehow involved, and that Patty wrote that absurd note...

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

Of course she did. It’s obvious. Similar handwriting and it even sounds like her. The odds of someone other than Patsy writing the note are astronomical.

[@reka7_75]

Those darn parents, They must have purposely planted unknown male dna on her in multiple places to throw us off!

[@ginadanielle4895]

Yes. I still think Patsy did this . Had they only made $60,000 a year and lived in a subdivision she would have been arrested.

[@ThomasHannah]

It’s media propaganda, he’s guilty as SIN

[@jenniferjuniper12]

Yep.

[@madinfl03]

Can we stop speculating and look at the unidentified male DNA using genetic genealogy. Let's solve this thing!

[@micenabled9418]

I don’t think they can the dna will be destroyed if gone under more test however the Netflix show leaves out everything that points to the parents so it’s bias everyone that talked were hired by the Ramsey camp

[@jasonmarquis5798]

Watch the CBS documentary on it. The forensic Chinese guy - said the DNA could have come from a female that worked in the factory. The police and Ramsey family both don’t want the case solved; 1. It shows how badly the case was handled, and 2. I believe the Ramsey’s know who did it (probably Burke) and they’re trying to protect him.

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

@madinfl03 problem being she was wiped down & changed. The underwear was several sizes too big. Probably not even hers. The touch DNA could've been picked up anywhere & may not relate to the case. However, the mountain of evidence that remains still remains. As a matter of fact, if they arrest someone on DNA in this case, I would have to call conspiracy.

[@aprilleerose]

Exactly

[@BalthazarMyrrh70]

@madinfl03 the DNA is a red herring.

[@carriew92]

I so hope they figure this out before her father passes.

[@Pablo-gl9dj]

Why?

[@fatima01917]

@@Pablo-gl9dj Why? Because he loved his daughter and had hoped to find out the truth.

[@joer1678]

He doesn’t want that. It’s a show to save his reputation

[@briankay5384]

I hope they figure this out before I die

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

The case was solved in 1997. The killer died in 2006. What don’t you understand about this?

[@briankay5384]

John knows who did this

[@janlundberg5924]

Oh. O.k. do you have kids?

[@jonp3890]

@@janlundberg5924 That sounds like the start of an appeal to emotion, which wouldn’t be a valid footing to start out on.

[@BettyLou11-11]

😎 what has caused YOU to be so HATEFUL 😎 I don't want anyone to speak poorly of the RAMSEYS,.,😎their SUFFERING is terrible 😎Be Kind PLEASE 😎

[@bdturner8162]

Then why is he pushing so hard for answers?

[@yaterspoon57]

Well his wife wrote the note... so he probably does know who did this.

[@Annalicenovinger]

It was 100% the family!! Theres no Ramsey propaganda BS that will ever convince me of an intruder. Its just a shame this poor child will never get justice.

[@MW-ob8jm]

Their DNA didn’t match Sherlock

[@rizman1095]

When the police arrived, patsy was still wearing the same clothes she was wearing at the party the night before. Still had make up on. C’mon people. Clearly she didn’t sleep all night.

[@MadelynJolie]

Exactly!

[@vicksta8875]

EXACTLY

[@davidwilliams4498]

You don't know facts. They got home 10 pm had a private small plane ride scheduled early next morning . It was a long Christmas season an she decided not to change clothes. Anything way off about that.

[@hsmd4533]

@@davidwilliams4498 are you saying she went to sleep with her make up on, and her clothes that she was wearing the night before?

[@libbystarke2034]

I believe no one slept that night. They were too busy with the coverup

[@yolandalilred]

What Geraldo show did to johnbenets family was so wrong….. with that lady on his show saying what jonbenet was so call doing with that 🎷 smh. That was disgraceful and so disgusting

[@Moonstone115]

You don't fool me John and neither did Patsy.

[@winnowmethis9501]

He is not being treated as a suspect. All three in the house (even Patsy deceased) cannot be ruled out. Shame on these reporters.

[@-TheJewel-]

Patsys 911 call was off.The end of the phone call was telling .

[@PaulTaylor1]

Exactly. Where are the supporters on this one?

[@thedarkknightrises330]

In 2003, the Boulder police developed a DNA profile from saliva found in her underwear and scrapings from both her hands under her fingernails. In 2007, Mary Lacy, the DA, had JB's clothing tested for "touch DNA" and then chronicled her findings. She apologized to the Ramseys and exonerated the entire family. She said, "The match of male DNA on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of the murder makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items". Lacy then compared the DNA found on both sides of Jonbenet's longjohns and it was a strong match to the profile in CODIS. Here are some of the references: 1. January 9, 1997 CBI Lab Report - Serology 2. January 15, 1997 CBI Lab Report - DNA Testing 3. 2007 Boulder District Attorney Memo: Comparing CODIS profile vs Bode Tech's Lab findings under JB's fingernails 4. Pherson Associates LCC, 2012 Report "The Disappearance and Murder of Jonbenet Ramsey" 5. People Magazine - December 3, 2024 If you can't find all the documents, search "the facts about the DNA jonbenet" and a reddit sub has the documents listed. I think DNA is far more clear than any unintelligible murmurings

[@mrs.seaturtle66]

@@thedarkknightrises330 Don't believe your nonsense if they wanted it solved it would of been done years ago.

[@angelwings7930]

She also referred to JonBenet as “that child”.

[@sfletch3042]

Was it? 😂how? The FBI found nothing there but somehow you do? Do tell.

[@DarrellWood-x9l]

Neither John or Patsy has me fooled .... include Burke also .... they KNOW more they are not telling ....

[@gebronthomasson6960]

the only reason they backed off was fear of a lawsuit by Ramseys

[@shellykaye676]

REMEMBER, The killer would have had HOURS to compose the letter if he was already in the house .

[@Pablo-gl9dj]

Especially if the killer LIVED in the house.🤨

[@swasho2939]

​@@Pablo-gl9djand is doing the interview in this video years later

[@piajensen3223]

But how did the killer know he had hours to write a lettet

[@heldinahtmlhell]

And HOURS to retrieve the letter after he killed her. Especially as he went back upstairs to clean the torch and its batteries, and leave it on the counter.

[@Laura-ef1mb]

Kidnappers don't usually want to stay around and hangout nor murderers.

[@taroman7100]

I watched the Netflix series and I still get a strange feeling that somehow the parents were involved. He did it and she's going along. I thought it from the start but I just cant put my finger on it but the dad seems weird.

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

It wasn’t John but you’re getting warmer. The morning when she was found missing John told the police they arrived home at 10:00. 4 months later he said they got home at 9:00 or 9:15. He also said he read a book to Jonbenet and Burke before they went to sleep. That story changed as well. I wonder why? Why did John have to take Melatonin to sleep after having been awake for 16 hours that day? Hmmmm?

[@brendas6461]

I read The Craven and The Day After Christmas and it changed my mind. Lots of facts presented there. Amazon.

[@Moonstone115]

Your feelings are right

[@GerryBausemer]

I'm sorry , I just can't get passed these bad feelings, that one of the three in the house killed Jonbenet.😢

[@louiseselfe616]

I agree John Ramsay and Patsy showed no prior psychopathy, but Burke certainly exhibited disturbing behaviour ...

[@elizabethshannon24]

Yes, yes, yes.

[@marygarvey8495]

The parents are a source of a 3-page "ransom letter."

[@janlundberg5924]

How many experts looked at that letter and said Patsy didn't write it? A bunch. The only people that thought she wrote it were a bunch of hacks from the BPD. And then they had the nerve to share that lie publicly. I can't imagine what that woman went through. It must be truly horrific to be accused of killing your daughter. Leave her alone.

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

I agree, and there is just one reason parents will do that, to loose just 1 child instead of 2.

[@rowenaevangelista5251]

It was someone John knows. Someone who was his competitor, whether in business or one of his classmates in college or high school. It was someone who was watching over him and who was secretly envious of his success. It is not about money. It has something to do with ego. A kidnapper wouldn't write this kind of detailed note, but the fact that it was something personal means that the killer was trying to fool John by confusing him that their child was in their possession but had already died in the basement. They made sure that the family would wait for their call and ensured that when they found their child, she was already dead and couldn't be brought abruptly to the hospital to be saved.

[@erickbarnes7926]

This family knows the truth.

[@leahgannon5030]

I think the whole purpose of the letter was to confuse and throw off the whole murder scene , I could be wrong but I often think, what if we just ignore that for a time, and follow all the other clues and evidence.you never know what that letter is distracting you from.The note makes no sense to me.

[@juanamora9513]

Why would the neighbors move down to georgia with them? Or would they want to be watching to make sure nothing else would be done in the case?

[@HandgunSafe]

I don't think that ransom note is a big mystery. Psychopaths enjoy inflicting pain, physical and emotional pain. They enjoy torment, and that note was probably just a way of tormenting the family of the victim. More victims. The killer was probably hoping the family would find the note, and in their panic fail to find the body for a time. I think the original profiler's assessment was spot on.

[@beverlyallison4768]

Right . Plus, I thought they found her clothing fibers in the suitcase, as if he were going to take her in the suitcase, but couldn’t get the suitcase out of the window.

[@josh-kf2rd]

Or some lame rp shit... But yeah, you always hear "that's not what real ransom notes read like", but we know it wasn't a real ransom note because she wasn't taken for ransom.

[@josh-kf2rd]

@beverlyallison4768 I think he dropped the suitcase with her in it. Just my theory.

[@thesunreport]

My current speculation is that it could have been someone who had been in an affair with Patsy, a disgruntled ex. They might have had access to the house from previous visits, perhaps even with a key. The movie references in the ransom note being a reminder of where they used to go together maybe, and using her notepad would leave doubts about her innocence. It's a very twisted scenario, but to destroy JBR and leave Patsy in the frame would be a perfect revenge for being rejected if you were a psychopath.

[@beverlyallison4768]

@@thesunreport that’s a lot of what ifs . Focus on the evidence . She was tortured by a psychopath…. 1500 people went inside their house the week before during the parade of Christmas homes. …. Pedophiles enjoy watching children’s beauty pageants ……. To make up something about the mother and an affair is just your imagination.

[@5171967cafk]

Whatever happened to The "small foreign faction" ?? Mmmm....... Sounds like someone's wild imagination.

[@KnotyerbizKut]

Correct.Patsy’s

[@Scrappicat]

I can hear Patsy exclaiming "Victory!" whenever I see that word on the ransom note. I don't know why. I think she just threw that there for kicks hoping it would really confuse people.

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

whatever a narcissist accuses you of, the opposite is true.. so look for an american single man.

[@trishemerald2487]

You've swallowed the Kool-Aid News Nation.

[@MadelynJolie]

Yeah... they are high!

[@davidwilliams4498]

I laugh at the tabloid Kool aid that thinks family was involved . I'm still waiting on proof of that

[@thedarkknightrises330]

I get my info from tabloids! ... oh wait, that's you

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

I thought that she was strangled before she was hit in the head. Not only because it looked like there was nail marks from her struggling to remove it but there wasn’t any blood from the head wound. One of the problems with this case is it seems like there are different expert opinions about most of the evidence.

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

and that sadly is always the case... experts never agree, and money buys you the expeet your case requires..

[@sagelake2468]

There is zero evidence of any intruder.

[@betford2]

John definitely choked on that question about whether the person knew him or not. He seems a very nervous talking to Dan.

[@janice8514]

Why on earth won't the police ask for help from a familial DNA company? What are they afraid of? John has been begging them to ask for that help for years and years!

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

Maybe they already have? Are you an investigator working on the case? John has been begging for help? The same John who refused to be interviewed by the police for 4 months after his daughter was killed? The John who hired an attorney for himself and his wife the day after the murder? That John? Yeah okay. 😂

[@AmberBrownMcCall]

I think the old school police think the dna is from the panty factory

[@eleegs]

The boulder police do not appear to understand what “evidence” means

[@JoeyH-sb3fq]

Most states can't do familial DNA because it's illegal.

[@berniehayes8425]

​@@AmberBrownMcCallthe DA holds the power over the police..they are the ones that decide what gets used in court cases😅

[@trishemerald2487]

When are you going to tell us what really happened, John Ramsey?

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

Great comment. Much respect. Thank you. 🎉🎉🎉

[@mritsme9901]

@trishemerald2487 what do you think happened?

[@MadelynJolie]

I so agree with you- It was Jon Ramsey. They have TOUCH DNA evidence, which any credible investigator will say can be transferred by many people in many situations that are innocent. It does create reasonable doubt, which is why Mr Ramsey loses nothing by speaking up now. Even if his DNA is identified so what? He’s the dad and it could’ve gotten there by simply hugging her. There are far too many coincidences, weird actions and investigation blocks put forward by the family early on for me to believe at least some of them weren’t involved- This was a ritual sacrifice involving sorcery; it was the Parents. Also, EVERYONE, watch on KZbin the Larry King interview he did with one of the Lead detectives, Steve Thomas, and the parents of Jon Bennet: both Pat and John Ramsey- Steve Thomas knew it was them; that is why he left the police department, enough evidence was there and the cops ignored it. What I think is her dad was sexually abusing her, there is proof that she was sexually abused before her death. I think her dad was in a sect and was having others also rape her, thus the semen found. Rape is used in Ritual Sacrifices

[@davidwilliams4498]

Do you truly believe John is doing all these national tv news interviews if he was guilty. Well not me...

[@jenniferjuniper12]

He'll take it to the grave

[@jpk5148]

I still think the brother did it and the parents covered it up.

[@elizabethwitherington3588]

Absolutely agree

[@kellykirkpatrick4416]

Which brother?

[@SergioFernandez-cj4mt]

@@kellykirkpatrick4416 Burke 👽

[@iv_tyler6920]

He conveniently slept through the whole ordeal, too. I guess the parents were not too concerned about him getting kidnapped after Jon Benet was "taken".

[@beverlylawyer9692]

Personally, can't listen about Ramsey's anymore, standing with Dr. Cyril Wecht and on scene police

[@libbystarke2034]

Yep me too!!! Dr. Cyril Wecht IMO is right on target.

[@romelamaleksetian4861]

Only mother father brother and God know what happened to her 😢

[@sailbabysail]

Other experts said the head injury happened at the same time as the strangulation. Everyone thinks their expert is the correct one

[@djhome7718]

Jon has done this Netflix as he knows he won’t be around much longer so last one alive who probably done it thinks he be off the hock

[@matthewcartelli2625]

Bless her soul❤

[@mondoenterprises6710]

It's called Occam's Razor. Try it sometime. You'll find the killer.

[@RWRogers]

The Boulder PD was so corrupt then. They weren’t solving this case unless they could charge the parents, despite evidence pointing elsewhere and away from them. That’s why it’s never been solved. That’s the ONLY reason, at this point.

[@janlundberg5924]

3 weeks after JonBenet died the BPD were told about the DNA. It didn't match anyone in the family. Can you imagine and then they didn't share it with anyone? Kept it all to themselves. Yeah that's good investigative work. Losers.

[@windangel7720]

A psychopath would potentially write something like that note if you think about it. A lot of them know a great deal about police procedure and might well have known that making them all believe in a kidnapping would waste precious time by tricking them into not doing a thorough search of the house and cause the crime scene to be contaminated as they investigate a kidnapping vs a murder. I am not a professional, just someone fascinated by forensics, and even I know that. Also more- the letter gives the monster a chance to gloat at John, which a narcissist would do. Thinking about John reading it might have given him a cheap thrill. Have you ever written love fan letter to a famous crush just to feel closer to them even though you knew they'd never respond? It might be something like that. This case has haunted me for so long. I keep hoping they solve it. I never believed it was the parents or even the Burke theory. Someone got away with a terrible murder. RIP Jonbenet and Patsy.

[@theevildrjelly4626]

An adult would have had to cut the pineapple

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

they have no tinned pineapple ove there? shocker.

[@valadilajla]

John stop this nonsense, just say it!

[@gaetanfaik]

Daddy knows everything

[@debbiemaclean4232]

DNA DNA DNA.TEST THE DARN DNA.STOP THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL.

[@taniadavenport2939]

I don’t think so. The killer did not leave any fingerprints anywhere, however licked all over JB?

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

the DNA is contaminated they already established that, they have been excluding people based on flawed data.. back to square one.

[@buffalorick5598]

Look at the Rs and a’s in ransom note and compare to Patsy’s! She screwed up! Match Burke! Look how fast you lawyered up John!!!

[@Lisa-r6u1w]

Lawyer up isn't guilty it's saying back off your not gonna drive us crazy because yoú want us to fit your theory .

[@B.Crystal]

If police zeroed in on you for your child's murder your absolutely 💯 going to lawyer up guilty or not. If you don't your an idiot!

[@xaviervanderzandt]

The first and only words to the cops should be, "lawyer." Their priority is often expedience.

[@kathysheppeard2178]

😊

[@dbarker7794]

How many times can an "expert" say "I don't know"???

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

as often as is needed, only a narcissist is always 100% sure they are right.

[@DrGreenWolf]

Geraldo found the killer in Al Capone's vault.

[@johnfeminella9839]

I'm having a hard time with the 911 call and you can hear them speaking in the background the parents he works for Lockheed Martin and you know they got a bunch of fixers just an idea the Navy excluded the parents I get it something doesn't smell right

[@bethryan9077]

You don't hear any Ramseys family members at that end of that 911 call At All. In the Authentic recording, Patsy hanging up the phone piece on the cradle is Clearly heard. CLICK. "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy"....... . Where's the End of that call? CLICK? You've been Taught to hear what the Grifters want you to believe. The fact of the matter is, the intruders were listening to Patsy call the cops on the phone in the basement laundry room & that's why the line is still open for x seconds.

[@evabelanger5178]

That 911 call was so fake

[@Scrappicat]

@@bethryan9077 Were you there? No.

[@joegordon2915]

I have a hard time believing the family killed her, but Patsy made so many suspect statements and actions. It’s hard not to believe she was somehow involved in some way. Like looking through her hands at the police, claiming to step over the step with the notes which no one else was able to do. Claiming to not have served the pineapple or her ever seen the bowl even though her finger prints are on it and there are past photos of it in the house. Even the fact that the Ramseys stayed in separate rooms and John was casually looking through mail and making plans for a flight. They also seemed to not notice the time for the call had passed. They also immediately told hordes of people when the note said don’t tell anyone or she will die. And Burke had struck Jonbenet in anger with an object before.

[@Truecrimekitty81]

Steve Thomas needs to be interviewed he was one of the lead investigators

[@DogLover_365]

Absolutely!! He’s very suspicious.

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

Yeah Steve Thomas killed her. Who writes this stuff? 😂

[@Truecrimekitty81]

He wrote a book about the case clearly you haven’t followed this case he has very strong opinions on what happened and obviously was there for the investigation

[@annelienel9179]

Thomas Kolar will, too. JR changed his story so many times. GJ got it 100% right.

[@davidwilliams4498]

Steve Thomas got sued an lost his book money royalty's pushing his he thought Patsy did it book with 0 facts to back it up. He didn't press suspects never tracked down another. No surprise he didn't want to do an interview an he left police work an became a carpenter. No surprise with that either. A very lacking not enough experience detective for sure

[@gebronthomasson6960]

having lost two children already they were not going to give up burke because then they will have lost 3 children

[@hayleyj5562]

This whole case was bizarre from the beginning. If they really thought it was a kidnapping, someone of John's status would have had the connections to contact the DA or Chief of Police or whoever directly and set up a press conference instead of just calling 911 and sitting around the house for 7 house before finding her body.

[@1000WinstonSmith]

There was no intruder.

[@ihatemondays63]

100%

[@heidilove2016]

Bingo!

[@jessi_ag328]

Stop talking to that idiot Michael Kane about this case. His incompetence has single-handedly sabotaged this case. He still refuses to admit his ignorance. He doesn’t deserve any attention or for anyone to give a damn what he has to say.

[@melaniegatton]

He added absolutely nothing to this conversation. I didn't even understand his points

[@JacindaChamplin-dk4ey]

But I thought the person that was said to be the guilty one that was in the star was said to be the next-door neighbor that’s the one that they said was no one to be true. He just refuses to give blood so that confuses me.

[@lawrencegoldworm]

What the Hell was this show all about except using the long-passed girl for clicks and wasting the viewer's time? What was reexamined as opposed to just talked about for the hundredth time? What new information was presented? What new theories were put forward? This "special report" can be summed up pretty much as follows.... "It's been 28 years and the poor child is still deceased but golly, I hope we find the mean person who did it." Please save up your production budget until you can air some informative news.

[@Queen_-gg5jn]

They still got to keep her name in the limelight,!! Show some compassion for God sake. There is NEW evidence actually..... and listen to smits evidence also

[@AquaNikki]

This poor man. Give him some peace and run the damn dna

[@uptonogood1893]

I don't believe the dna will change anything. This is all about John trying to quiet things down because of Burke stirring things up again on Dr Phil. Dna was under her nails and (trace) on her pj's. Reports have said that she clawed at the cord on her neck, so the dna under her nails are likely hers. And her pj's were brand new (unwashed) from the store. So dna is likely from the store/factory workers who handled the packaging. This whole "we must test the dna" is a distraction. A red herring.

[@DogLover_365]

YES!!

[@DogLover_365]

@@uptonogood1893🙄🙄🙄

[@fatima01917]

They said none of the DNA matched the family.

[@uptonogood1893]

Interesting how KZbin removed my comment about dna. I wrote that running the dna won't matter. Reports showed that poor girl clawed at her neck because of the choking cord. So dna under her nails would be hers. And if dna on her clothes is trace it probably came from store/factory workers are they were new/unwashed Christmas pj's. Basically unrelated dna to the case. I had the theory that Burke hit her and Patsy and John worked together to cover it up because they thought she was dead. Patsy wrote the note and John staged "the body". By not calling for an ambulance they were responsible for her death. Note: when Patsy called 911 she changed from saying "ambulance" to "police". Burke had to seek attention by going on Dr Phil. This is all Burke's fault, start to finish. To try to quiet the mob John is trying to distract attention away from his family by suggesting a red herring.

[@Jenmac2403]

Why can't we use familial DNA?

[@Lisa-r6u1w]

Good question

[@janlundberg5924]

Ask the cops? What's the holdup?

[@johannakortesmaki-kc3xd]

He never answers the questions , always goes around about it, what's up with that ,that you have to explain a simple frigging question, !!!!!!!!!

[@carolthompson5065]

Gyneology DNA . Find relatives of the perpetrator.

[@kjoy2215]

This guy sounds like a laughable amateur detective who is bored and needs something to keep him busy. He has absolutely no knowledge of the family nor has he investigated them. It’s really disgusting how puppets can be bought and paid for to try to deny the obvious; it was always an inside job and abuse was clearly the primary motive that most likely went awry. I don’t know how this guy could agree to make such a fool of himself and then sleep at night.

[@Karinissharin]

I wonder if there was ever law enforcement staff in question?

[@DaveAnderson-ic6oo]

Why would there be? Do you have any evidence that anyone other than her mother was involved? Post it here. I’ll check back.

[@marygarvey8495]

Deception Detective channel. Quite informative

[@pittbabe2386]

I think Burke accidentally killed her and Patty and John tried to cover this up. If you look at them at Jon Benet's funeral, they don't walk with Burke.

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

agreed.

[@fvresonanator]

Did the ransom note get tested for any DNA?

[@janice8514]

Great question!

[@Jackietreehorn-z5e]

No fingerprints found on it. The parents see the note and didn't pick it up! Right. Laughable case

[@angelwings7930]

The family had a ton of friends stop in to support them. Everyone was handling the letter. That was said on the 20/20 program. But it still could have been tested, I’d guess.

[@taresavigil]

Seems like there would be too many fingerprints not any…. But if patsy wrote it, did she take the time to put gloves on?

[@Lisa-r6u1w]

They have the DNA then they should do a reverse DNA like the Rachel Moran and the Golden State killer case .

[@heldinahtmlhell]

There is no DNA. It's only trace amounts of touch DNA. Which we all have on us at all times.

[@wv4evr462]

Two investigators who actually worked the case each wrote a book about it and presented some compelling evidence that points away from the intruder theory. Mr. Kane, who actually investigated the case and played a role in presenting to the grand jury, who did vote to indict, just stated that information had been developed as a result of that grand jury and that it was significant. If you look at all the evidence available to the public, I think that a reasonable person can say that an intruder likely did not commit this crime. The media and some streaming services are seemingly abandoning the family did it theory and essentially reporting it as fact that an intruder did it. This is likely not a DNA case. Reporting on this case and presenting documentaries on this case that ignore evidence, ignore the totality of the circumstances, and ignore the fact that a rather good investigation took place after the initial crime scene mistakes, is wrong.

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one totally Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022 & that can be found online. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now, go play.

[@annelienel9179]

The GJ decision stands

[@jonp3890]

@@bethryan9077 Not one word of this clearly biased, evidentially selective, and emotionally overwrought tome of yours is in the way of actual PROOF of the Ramseys innocence, despite the force with which you claim it. Every single point you’ve derisively ladled out has its at least equally valid counterpoint. The fact is, you do not know any better than anyone else whether or not someone in that family was or is guilty. Now, work harder, if you expect to be taken seriously.

[@bethryan9077]

Yeah, you mean those 2 so called 'investigators' who had never Ever worked a murder case before? You mean those 2 so-called 'investigators' who did the Flit & then tried Very hard to make Money off the back of this child's brutal murder? That they Both failed at Solving! You mean Steve Thomas & James Kolar who were Sued for all their blatant lies & misleading 'information' that they filled their books with? It is always amusing to take note of the fact that all you Ramseys bashers Fail to mention that the vote was Not for murder. Yawn. Do even know what century the grand jury sat down for free tea & crumpets? FYI - Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And, the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. Those ‘members’ of the Boulder town public sat down 2 days a week for over 12 months at a great cost to the tax payer, they had to come up with ‘something’. Yawn. BTW - all those Idiots watched, read & listened to the Exact same False & very Salacious information via the Media, for a Very long time Prior, that all You dolts have been brainwashed with back then & ever Since. FYI - Michael Kane didn't 'investigate' a damn thing, he was handed some stacks of paperwork that came directly from Steve Thomas & his offsiders. Kane was forced to take on that case due to the ever deceptive useless 'detectives' who couldn't tie their own shoelaces plus the hierarchy clowns from the BPD who didn't wish to be Blamed for the total Incompetence anymore. After all, their retirement packages were on the line. Kane led the jury members down the yellow brick road each & every day, but found some integrity & Publicly stated eventually, that there was No evidence to charge the Ramseys with anything at all. The media are reporting as they are because the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago. All you Highly ignorant nobodies, need to Catch Up.

[@janlundberg5924]

​@@jonp3890are you kidding me? There is a plethora of evidence that points to Ramseys innocence. And it sounds to me like she's done her research. Boulder Police department knew within a few weeks of jonbenet's death, about the DNA. Why wasn't that made public? That was major right? I'd love to know your answer. And try not to be overly dramatic.

[@lindasnyder1729]

Didn’t Patsy say she found the ransom note on the stairway? And didn’t John say she found it in the kitchen? They didn’t have their stories in line.

[@Jackietreehorn-z5e]

They never touched it either. 😅😊

[@Ezbpete]

The stairway landed in their kitchen

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

if anything that makes them sound less guilty, since he wasn;t with her when she found it and he only knows she was on her way into the kitchen..

[@waynebollman]

Is it just me? Everything this guy has to offer is either "I don't know", "I don't have any evidence of that", "it's not clear", "someone told me"...... The only solid thing he has to say is that he thinks the killer was a psychopath. Really? You think a person that rapes and then strangles a 6 year old might be mentally ill? Pure genius. Thanks. I think this detective Bob is running cover for whoever commited this crime - which is probably some other rich dude, known to the family, and a pedo who was renting Jonbenet ..... on top of being a psychopath.

[@marmun6435]

And? Atleast he is not spreading lied and misinformation. Would you rather he make up lies like the boulder police did for years to make the public think the parents committed the crime. Smh

[@ladonnahicks3679]

I feel it is someone associated with that housekeeper that worked for them for the last 14 months...all those males should be tested...she knew the house...knew these people were rich..had keys and access to the whole house...wake up people!

[@EVARANGIHUNA]

The ransom note has Patsy written all over it. When it's read I always imagine her voice narrating it. It is the most damning piece of evidence for me.

[@msunderstanding3198]

That is the weirdest ransom note ever!!!!

[@gummiewormproduction]

She wrote the note to try to fool John into going to the bank so she could move the body out of the house and finish the staging of a kidnapping. Her plan failed when John insisted they call the police. It's not clear to me what John eventually figured out, or if he is in denial. Patsy wrote the note, and it makes no sense that John would be in on the note writing and not remove the body before calling the police. Simple as that

[@Fonoyb]

Anyone who thinks the Parents were involved HASNT LOOKED AT THE CASE VERY CLOSELY!

[@Jackietreehorn-z5e]

"We have a kidnapping!" What mother would say this?

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Google the handwriting comparison. It's a perfect match.

[@richardszabo6050]

ALARM SYSTEM / INTRUDER : Haven't come across the status of the home security system except that i believe john once said he just didn't turn it on . That being said , either the intruder didn't pay attention to the fact that there was a home security system and was truly winging it or did know about it & somehow being tricky or clever & disabled it. Did he know about home alarms & could easily outwit home owners . There was the case where an intruder was in a house 9 months later 10 blocks away & was assaulting a young girl but got intrupted and got away. It was reported that their house had an alarm system that never went off. That the system was turned on after they had finally arrived home meaning the intruder was already in the house when they got home .So , the Ramsey's house had an alarm system but John never turned it on but the intruder didn't know that . The intruder obviously knew that the alarm was not turned on when the Ramsey's left the house for the party as he was able to manouver without setting it off. Then the question arises . How did he know John or Patsy didn't turn it on before they finally all headed upstairs to sleep.? Either he triggered it somehow so that even if you thought you turned it on & that's what the system showed and he wouldn't have to worry regardless . OR , he took a chance and went to get jonbenet without any thought that a security system existed which seems quite irresponsable , risky . OR , maybe were just dealing with a total amateur which is unlikely as even the letter indicated some level of awareness as to authorities & police tactics which would mean they have some idea about police meaning serve & protect activities . OR , I'm not an expert , but could security personel know through there security system head control office wether a certains home security was activated and now able to be monitered or even from a laptop just driving up to the house or close enough by. ? It's a bit of a pattern that there is a home invasion involving 2( two) young girls participated in the same activities had their homes broken into , were assaulted , and both homes had home security systems but happened to be turned off . Were these security systems from the same company . ? Did the Ramsey's have the same companies in their other homes in their different cities .? Let's not just think LOCAL as criminals can be very wise and could even try to ceeate a pattern to have everybody think that it is a local located intruder when in reality they could be stocking victims from other cities & for a long x . Have databases involving the same patterns been seached nationwide , worldwide ? John & Patsy could've had an enemy from anywhere & time .

[@gshaz7]

The documentary left so much out and messed up many facts. It’s doctored to make you think there was an intruder. Go back to original footage and reports. The coverup was real. The parents are guilty as sin however it happened whether it was Burke or an accident while the parents fought over finding john abusing jonbenet. Patsy wrote the note 100%. They never touched it?! John never looked for the kids and just accepted the note as fact? They read the note without touching it?! The practice note?! A dictionary on the table with page inwardly folded to underline “incest”? Insane.

[@bethryan9077]

You've grown up believing all the made for making money Fairy Tales lovey, get that Straight.

[@davidwilliams4498]

LMAO tabloid trash belief 101.... None of that has been proven. Do you actually believe Patsy or john would leave dictionary on that marked page. Wow amazes me people think they was stupid enough to incriminate themselves trying to cover up a crime. Just plain funny to me I've never heard of that

[@jessi_ag328]

People like you make my head want to explode. Why would John be fighting so hard to have the DNA tested. The DNA cleared the family. You really think a tiny 9 year old boy would accidentally kill his sister and BOTH parents would try to cover it up- going so far to inflict so much sexual and bodily trauma on their own child?! John has never wavered and Patsy so obviously loved her daughter. I just don’t understand how people can be so ignorant 🤯

[@acezack05]

If people actually took the time to look into the case instead of relying on biased videos and articles, you'd realize intruder did not do it.

[@thedarkknightrises330]

Who did?

[@heidilove2016]

Nope!

[@thedarkknightrises330]

@@acezack05 There is significant DNA evidence of an intruder. Do your homework

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one totally Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022 & that can be found online. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now, go play.

[@hsmd4533]

Are you ok?

[@JustMe-cz1yz]

Good breakdown of events

[@ThomasHannah]

LIES AND RUBBISH!

[@thedarkknightrises330]

Well said! Keep speaking the truth! The more people who know the facts, the more pressure will be on the BPD to solve this.

[@xaviervanderzandt]

​@@ThomasHannah Seems pretty well argued and backed with sources to me...

[@abbeycat6425]

I sometime write a journal in a book where the pages are A4 size, and it takes me very little time to fill three pages. Not hours . And not meticulously planned. Think of all the letters that have been written before the advent of computers and typewriters. I’m sure most of them were written of the top of the writer’s head without a draft written first. And they made sense, and flowed, without any pre planning. We are taught to write from the day we start school. It’s not a skill that only a few select people have. I can see the letter in this case being written by a psychopath, whose aim is to mess with people’s heads. I can see them writing it with great glee. Who knows when they wrote it. They could’ve written it before the Ramseys got home if they broke in before hand. Perhaps they wrote it to stall any investigation, giving the impression that JonBenet had been kidnapped to give them more time to disappear. And it worked. No one found JonBenet for hours after the note was found. That’s a lot of time for someone to get well clear of the scene. I am constantly bemused by the fact that people try and bring some sort of logic to the writing of the letter, eg, an intruder wouldn’t have hung around to write a letter. But once again we don’t know when it was written, and not factoring in that it might have been written by a nut bag who is not operating like a ‘normal’ person would. And that people say no one in their right mind would’ve written such a letter… well hello…perhaps it wasn’t written by someone in their right mind…

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

these days most people struggle to even pen a grocery ist.. 🙄😒

[@outlawJosieFox]

How many sex offenders running around your area ? The Ramseys did not murder their lovely baby girl. IMO

[@xonslaughtlioness]

Prob watched her pageants and knew where they lived.

[@rowenaevangelista5251]

JonBenét Ramsey was undeniably a beautiful child, often likened to a living Barbie doll, and her tragic death continues to baffle and haunt many. The case remains unsolved, with numerous theories swirling around due to the conflicting evidence and inconclusive DNA findings. It’s plausible that the perpetrator was someone close to the family, either personally or professionally. The ransom note demanding a specific bonus amount could hint at a motive tied to someone with knowledge of JonBenét’s parents, John Ramsey, and his business dealings. Another angle worth considering is the pageant world, where JonBenét was a standout inheriting her mother's legacy. Perhaps jealousy or rivalry could have driven someone-possibly a parent of a competing child-to hire or manipulate someone into committing the crime. JonBenét’s potential for success, whether in pageants or future endeavors, might have been viewed as a threat by someone envious of her bright prospects. It’s also conceivable that someone from John Ramsey’s professional sphere, such as a business rival, orchestrated the crime out of spite or as a calculated act of revenge. This crime appears meticulously planned rather than impulsive. The large house with its many access points, including the basement, and the use of the ransom note indicate a level of forethought and familiarity with the property. It’s possible that the perpetrator aimed to not only harm JonBenét but also implicate the family in their sinister plot. This tragic case remains one of the most confounding mysteries in modern true crime, leaving many questions unanswered and a legacy of grief and speculation.

[@rigelb9025]

I think the message is clear folks : ditch the Kool-Aid and start eating pineapples instead.

[@adventurebabyboomer7318]

Unless the perpetrator took the pad of paper from the home earlier, wrote the letter, and delivered it the night of the crime. Could have been someone close to the Ramseys, who knew the home well.

[@ashleymartin4512]

the ransom note was in the house and came from a note pad inside the house the sum demanded was the same as the sum john had recieved in his christmas bonus are"the biggest red flags"even the footprint on the briefcase under the window could have been done to make it look like someone had entered/exited the window when infact no such thing had occurred..........

[@thedarkknightrises330]

Ummmm ... the DNA exonerated the entire family

[@christophertarr9005]

The Boulder PD’s inability to recognize the stun gun burns on her body were such a severe oversight… so many in charge of that investigation should be punished!

[@libbystarke2034]

But there were no stun gun!!

[@christophertarr9005]

@@libbystarke2034 this is a problem-clearly you didn’t see the two burn marks on her skin. The detective found the exact model that did it by buying the ones that were on the market and testing them on pig flesh. It was an exact match!

[@Scrappicat]

@@christophertarr9005 Stun guns make people jump. Those marks, if made by a stun gun, must have been after JBR was unconscious which doesn't make sense. Burke's train track ends match up perfectly and make more sense than the stun gun. Burke probably bonked her on the head and poked her with the train track to see if she was still alive. Plus the killer was dumb enough to use everything in the house but he brought his own stun gun? I guess it's possible but it doesn't seem probable at this point.

[@christophertarr9005]

@@Scrappicat NOT SURE WHERE YOU GET YOUR INFO…the train tracks DID NOT ALIGN with the burns on her neck. They were a couple mm less in width.

[@maceyprice9658]

I just found out there was a how to stun gun video in there house. But it's considered national security

[@colorblue40]

I dont think her family did it. I think they (parents) found her body, panicked, and screwed up the case to find the actual killer. I think her mom wrote the note after she discovered the body.

[@stephaniefreeman3914]

I think the parents covered up for the killer. I think they knew him

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

you mean they started the cover up thinking the son did it? that sounds possible..

[@Kilcrops1985]

This guy's argument to defend the parents is "there was no history of violence in the home". Dennis Rader was also a model citizen and according to his daughter, a very good father....

[@thedarkknightrises330]

The DNA cleared the entire family. "This guy" is just adding the fact that John is a good father. The DNA exonerated him

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

they way mr Ramsey reacted to the women who was a pageant queen and who comes from a model home, who told her story about abuse and the difference between what's on display and what happens behind closed doors, that sealed it for me. He got so nasty about her, that is highy unlogical for a father who lost his daighter to a childmolester! Not a hint of empathy for the victims, that was the face of an abuser right there. Maybe not her killer, maybe not her abuser, but he is no stranger to the abusive lifestyle.

[@alanlipinski8707]

Most agree the parents had nothing to do with it? Baloney.

[@christopherallsup4260]

Incredible. Sadly, it's become painfully clear John Ramsey's influence extends well beyond Boulder, CO District Attorney office. The DNA is utter FUCKING BULLSHIT. Abrams knows that. This is repulsive.

[@fatima01917]

He just said that none of the DNA matched the family and why would they want to kill their daughter?

[@alanlipinski8707]

@@fatima01917 Perhaps it was an accidental death and the family covered it up. Grand Jury voted to indict the Ramsay’s but the District Attorney declined to do so. There was evidence presented to that grand jury that the public does not know about.

[@christopherallsup4260]

@@fatima01917 You mean to tell me you're interested enough in this case to have clicked on this video but ... But you're unaware of touch DNA? Remarkable. Educate yourself. Or don't.

[@christopherallsup4260]

It's simply incredible one would care enough-or even pretend to care enough-about the truth of this case while having somehow remained wholly ignorant of touch DNA and its concepts. Imagine someone showing up underneath a baseball-history video while unknowingly acknowledging their ignorance as to the significance/existence of Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds and Mike Trout. Now, how seriously would you take their baseball opinions?

[@juanamora9513]

Was the neighbors son the same as as burke? Or was he older? The only people whod know about bonus would be the family or a neighbor who mightve heard it from a family member, or those who were cowarkers or in charge of the bonus itself.

[@debbieryan6260]

I heard those neighbors moved to Georgia when the Ramseys did-odd....

[@rmiddlehouse]

Eventually we’ll all accept it was Patsy

[@marmun6435]

The note was to throw ppl off. Thats it.

[@johannakortesmaki-kc3xd]

Come on Geraldo, there was no frigging Intruder, so what does that implicate, duh,!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rigelb9025]

That they didn't own their house?

[@skychaser5591]

First sentence from Patsy in 911 call: "We have a kidnapping"...... (red flag nr 1, followed by many more.....)

[@annelienel9179]

Then, he speaks to the two weakest links only to get the most improbable scenario. 😅

[@JessicaC.]

The note was never a clue to the crime. In my opinion. The apparatus that was made to kill JonBenet'was always the key to find that precious little girls killer! For years it could have been tested. And it never was! It makes no sense to me and to a lot of other people why it was not the spotlight of the entire investigation!

[@ep1phany62]

The one theory people aren’t exploring is that the killer entered the house earlier in the evening, whilst they were out at a party. He wrote the note at leisure and was hiding in the house when they returned (possibly in her room). After this, all he would have to do is incapacitate the girl and carry her downstairs. But he obviously wasn’t able to get her out the basement window as easily as he hoped, so he killed her there. This theory gives the killer time to write the note, and would be less risky than breaking in and sneaking upstairs whilst the house was full. I think this theory lends weight to the ‘intruder theory’ and that the ransom note should be looked at more carefully for determining who the killer ‘could’ be. For me, I would go with someone from Jon’s work or someone with an association to the family, but not a close association. It seems like the note was written by someone who knew the Ramseys.

[@kellykirkpatrick4416]

Would the housekeeper know about how much Johns bonus was? Could it be the husband

[@juanamora9513]

@ep1phany62 the housekeeper had a key and had been asking them for a loan. Could be someone close to her. Her himusband or did she have a son or someone in her extended family?

[@juanamora9513]

@@ep1phany62 or did any neighbors also have a key?

[@kathleenconte3360]

This case cannot be solved. It was stuffed up from the start. The family invited their friends to contaminate the premises. Only 1 policeman for ages at the house. From every angle this case was stuffed up from the start. This case can only be an example of what not to do. Need to begin with that phone call to 911. What was Patsy saying to Burke? Why did the family pack up and go on holiday? I have no doubt why the family was suspected. Family refused to speak to police. Why? Most ppl would have camped at the police station till something done

[@WatchTashi]

The DNA doesn't match. Lou Smit could've had this solved 20 plus years ago. The CBI and FBI could have it solved in a matter of months. But Boulder PD won't budge. I am a Coloradan and I am DISGUSTED by the actions of the whacko "police" in Boulder. I'm also disgusted with our Governor Jared Polis who could force the issue but is too lazy, or just doesn't care enough to. It's probably the latter, Polis absolutely hates Republicans/Conservatives, just like John and Patsy. Either it's a Boulder cop, a cop's kid or these ppl TRULY just do not care. Nothing else makes sense. 🤬

[@ashleyrichards5194]

You were there but you don't know that it hasn't been 30 years? OK