Jordan Peterson On Bad Hockey Dad Ruining His Kid

Jordan talks about the deep ethic of being a good sport.

[@Carfalog]

I’ve played hockey in every major region of the US, and for some reason the worst parents in America are in Lake Tahoe.

[@Bobandy420]

there's literally 1 team... You ever play puck in Chicago/Detroit?

[@bigsole1972]

Lake Tahoe? Pfft. You should see the Hawaii hockey team...

[@Carfalog]

Edward Lalau Hawaii is a warrior culture 😂 its probably mad dangerous

[@rooster6271]

@@Bobandy420 it gets worse, come to Canada lol... I'm 8 hours drive north of Toronto, im 30 now it was bad when I was a kid now parents no matter what at the start of every season have to take a mandatory course on how to be good sports parents and how to act in the stands... its unreal, as a kid I've seen parents get into fist fights in the crowd to the point where we had police officers at the door of the arena before and after games... and this was for 12-13 year olds

[@patersonplankrd]

The parents are BAD everywhere. There is an epidemic of uncivilized conduct by parents of children and older kids in youth sports. Its gotten so bad, youth sports organizations are having issues finding qualified coaches and worse yet, qualified officials. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2fEiWmmmdKgmJY

[@ryanrohauer5940]

i love listening to jordan dude gives me goose bumps he puts into words what i cannot

[@jamesni4498]

This reminds me a lot of Eli Manning. He was great when it came to utilizing everyone on his offense and being a leader despite his flaws. He has some stinker seasons but those two superbowl runs and especially the first superbowl itself with the pass to Tyree was straight magic..most excting moment in Sports for me. Also noteworthy of his ability to keep it together and centered in the midst of a difficult NY market.

[@jaymoose9313]

This is why Canadian have and breed the greatest hockey players. They’re nice and humble, most of the time they know the game of hockey symbolizes life and what you put into hockey is what it gives back. It’s heartbreaking losing those big games, but that’s life. You win some you lose some.

[@swaggyp2741]

You’ve obviously never been to a GTHL AAA minor midget game

[@deletetruth8771]

It’s because a lot of Canadians play hockey.

[@johnwhitten2441]

@@swaggyp2741 I wanna see one now :P

[@shepherd_x]

for the most part besides my father an nhl 10 plus year veteran. He is extremely selfish and reall doesnt care about me or my siblings, justt what we can provide him with.. so th grass isnt always greener my friend

[@davesmith2094]

And these not shit else to do there

[@jeremi367]

I hope you remember to pause " *THE GAME* " Before watch this video

[@jacobzcheng3802]

I lost the game

[@lapoose325]

wow this takes me back. i lost

[@themi6sportsnetwork171]

1:05 is why LeBron James is such a great player

[@connarcomstock161]

Mango I had the worst of the hockey parents. My father was drafted by a team on the east coast, his father, smartly, told him to not go because he was just a Goon and go to college instead. Which he did. However. I was a thing. A male human child. I was a racehorse. I skated on a pond before I could run. My life was just hockey until I was about 12-13. Everything I did revolved around specifically that. From September to June, that was it. I'd wake up at 5 am 3x a week or more to go to practice, then school, then games. I was paid, yes really, in the late 90s and early 2000s to literally hurt people. I was paid for points ( a toonie) and for penalty minutes ( a loonie). I went to Pennsylvania, I went to Seaforth, Wingham, and Sudbury, among other tournaments. My team came in third in the provincials (after playing 2 games that day, yes really). I lead the league in penalty minutes, and points from a defenseman. I was made to practice in the garage, "taking shots". I embedded so many pucks in that bloody cinder I swear to god they're still there to this day. This sport is a plague. I hate it. I stopped when I was 14 and I haven't picket up a stick or strapped on a pair of skates in 20+ years. My mother waited until I was over 30 to tell me I'd been picked by an OHL team, just around the time I'd decided to quit. She didn't tell me because she didn't want to influence my decision. Fuck hockey.

[@swilhelm3180]

Best advice I ever heard about hockey ever. Hockey parents are some of the worst examples of parenting ever. I don't know why hockey brings out so many belligerent, bullying, uncouth people. So many other sports don't do that. It is strange how some sports draw certain kinds of people. Not saying all hockey parents are like this of course. But you have to realize that hockey predicates itself on intimidation and that is a terrible way to engage in sports. That's the problem. Nobody wants to get creamed against the boards. You're wearing hockey pads not football pads. Hockey thrives on bullying, pure and simple. Until they ban violence in hockey and its punished severely nothing will change. Now its a classless activity that attracts a lot of boorish thugs that aren't in prison yet.

[@jakeplumber1373]

Its a sport that basis part of the game on street fighting on ice. I don't see how this surprises anyone. Also just because someone fights doesnt mean theyre bad. If someone is making fun of my son, ur damn right theyre getting their ass beat! Standing up for yourself and your team with fighting is part of what makes the sport unique. I am by no means condoning that at all because the adults are supposed to set an example. However that doesnt mean people should just let others walk all over them or their kid.

[@thebeatleswin1]

Or. It’s not a sport for you? “Until they ban violence” Please go away and enjoy your non contact games of tennis, You total pussy.

[@swilhelm3180]

@@jakeplumber1373 Incredible ignorance. Truly staggering. I guess you've learned very little in life so far. If someone is making fun of your son maybe you should find out why first. You do that by talking to the other kid. Calmly. You may find that that kid is hurting, is being beaten at home, perhaps by drunk parents, and is just taking out his rage on people around him. Bullies bully for a reason. Usually because they're being bullied right now or in the past. Smart people find out why and help them get through it. Idiots retaliate without thinking. Pick. Set a good example of a clear thinking, rational, emotionally controlled dad. Like you would have wanted for a father. Not someone half cocked that loses their temper so easily. Because if you lose our temper with that bully you'll lose your temper with others around you. Like our son. So don't.

[@tk4292]

Ban violence in hockey? Please never speak about hockey again since you obviously know nothing about the sport.

[@swilhelm3180]

@@tk4292 Do you lack the capability of voicing your opinion on why we shouldn't ban violence in hockey? Are you as dimwitted as most of the hockey parents I see at local arenas, so prone to profanity and violence because they lack the ability to clearly communicate their opinions without letting anger take over? Please enlighten us if you are able. Shock us with your reasoning.

[@shepherd_x]

im ruined because of my dad he played pro hockey for over 10 years in the nhl stanley cups and all and im so fucked up from his narcissistic personality and needing me to succeed in life to rub off well on him, was and always has been about him on my life. He looks at me as an extension of him rather than seeing me as an individual and emotionally supporting me. He would be irrate if i didnt play well and would treat me poorly if I played bad. He held me to such a high standard at such a young age and this competitivness ruined me as i would choose winning over friendships and now I have no urge to compete in anything. This is very well put by Jordan. I just wanted to share first hand experience of what growing up with a parent jordan explained. pretty brutal, support your kids

[@adilshamji4035]

At least you're loaded!

[@fleatactical7390]

Don't let your father ruin the greatest sport on the planet. If you've moved out of the house, get back into playing with a local rink and have fun. Make new friends (you likely will change nearly all of your friends when you leave school anyway). And start preparing what NOT to do if and when you finally have kids. Introduce them to things/sports. Pressure them a bit to keep them involved, and teach them what you were never taught. And then let them be to develop on their own. Move on from the past and look to the future.

[@hueywarren4778]

Whiner

[@Karen-pk3uv]

My brother and I played sports year round. How is this a difficult concept? "It doesn't matter if you win or lose it's how you play the game", translates to "idc if you won the game bc the ref didn't see that dirty play" or "It doesn't matter that you lost, you still shake your opponent's hand after and say good game. You can pout and second guess every play in the car. Maybe they got lucky or maybe your best wasn't enough that night but it's not right to ruin the other team's win."

[@patersonplankrd]

Instead of being good role models, these helicopter parents constantly and unconditionally praise their kids. They tell their kids they are great, And the kid starts to believe it. And when there is an adverse occasion, the helicopter parent will swoop in and tell their little cupcake that they did great. The reason why something didn't go their way is because someone wronged them,

[@fleatactical7390]

Ha! I'm sending this to all of the parents of the kids that I coach.

[@ADOSMOORINOS]

I'll be honest that I like Jordan Peterson for most topics, but i couldn't really get a reading on how he was trying to explain himself here, he actually seemed abit lost in his argument. I simply understood from a young age, that you don't act like a d*ck in sports because its just for fun and is not actually a real life event or anything, and if it is just a game, it has no effect on reality if you win or lose, so I always knew not to care if I lost, and not to go all crazy if I won. Sometimes I didn't even want to play tbh, I was like "wow, I have hockey". My easiest way of saying what he said, is just to focus on your teams stuff and whatever success your team gets, and aren't teams striving to win the championship anyways? Whenever I see a bad hockey parent, it's not only that the parent is just a bad role model at the rink, the parent is just a bad role model, and the kid has his parents genes anyways, so growing up, I played all sorts of spazoid kids whose parents were the smoking shoutaholics. Couldn't really understand what he meant about how a game isn't a game, because quite literally, games are games, you can try looking at hockey like it's something bigger then that (which it can bring alot of kids and parents together and form friendships), but it is a game, is it not? I understand how *life* is not a game, and hockey is just something you're doing within life, but not everyone gets to win the championship, so in the meantime, the games you play are games, and the games matter when it comes to making it to the championship. Are video games, games??? I wonder what Jordan Peterson would say about that. I also wonder what it was like being his kid, playing sports with Jordan watching, feel like the kid would've felt like he had to suppress his competitive bones.

[@davesmith2094]

Joe has no grasp of team sports

[@ElenaWalcott]

Don't sell yourself short... the subject is profound and can ostensibly go back to the Adam & Eve days. In particular, were they ethically right to take another's fruit to gratify their selfish need, without first considering the ramifications and repercussions.

[@transitixn]

2:15 Thank me later

[@TylrVncnt]

No thanks

[@seadog2969]

I struggle to see anything original here, lol.

[@psychcowboy1]

JP [Bad Hockey Dad]: 'It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it matters how you play the game, that is really complicated, be a good sport, life is not a game, a game is not a game, winning a championship and winning a game are not the same thing, the star was annoyed, the refs didn't ref right, the dad was ruining his son, like is a sequence of championship, character is a strategy, don't teach your kid to win, so he is fun to play with, if he is fun to play with he will have friends, do well at life, we are obsessed with sports, we don't like narcissist, you are not a role model, we are looking for character...' [Is this supposed to be profound? Don't teach your kid to win? Why not? You can teach your kid to become great at some sport and also teach them to be a good sport and have friends. I guess that is a bit complicated for Dr. Pretenderson, but he said it was really, really complicated... for him anyway.]

[@thirdmillennium5762]

It is complicated because he is hinting at an emergent ethic bounded in evolutionary processes. Being the best or the strongest in a physical or mental capacity is fine short term, but long term it can leave a person isolated and picked off. Reciprocity is complex, because it seems antithetical to nature.

[@psychcowboy1]

@@thirdmillennium5762 He is a pretend smart guy. Who knows why anyone takes him seriously.

[@anireesievo3589]

It’s complicated because he knows there possibility he’s wrong and does not feel all wise like you definitely do

[@anireesievo3589]

@@psychcowboy1 Let me guess you aren’t

[@psychcowboy1]

@@anireesievo3589 Peterson doesn't feel all wise? You are joking right? He has appointed himself to explain the world to everyone.

[@thelowroad216]

Bruh He's intelligent However, he talks in circles.

[@thelowroad216]

@@getitgotitgreat8667 no I understand him, but he sometimes is long winded. Get to the point jordan.

[@davesmith2094]

Joe has no grasp of team sports