Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism

Channel 4 News’ full, fiery interview with clinical psychologist and professor Jordan B Peterson, whose views on gender have amassed great controversy - and a huge online following. He discusses the pay gap, patriarchy and his new book "12 Rules for Life." Subscribe: bit.ly/2mFYm8e.

[@thevoicelessmind]

Dr. Peterson: "Good Morning." Hostess: "So you're saying afternoon is evil."

[@Officialtrinn1]

😂😂

[@robertaungwin8719]

Hhhhhhhhh 😂😂😂😂😂

[@JustinMeet]

Lol

[@yak2124]

so you’re saying u hate women

[@redacted1766]

@@yak2124 no, what i said was "i have to use the restroom"

[@FyouThatsMyName]

Cathy Newman created so many Jordan Peterson fans with this interview.

[@33Camden]

She actually did 😂 . . . . Jordan Peterson became a Global phenomenon after this Interview.

[@bogdan-cristiantimofte5625]

We should thank her for that

[@FyouThatsMyName]

This video is what made me a fan. Seen almost all his vidz.

[@googlesu]

So, what you are going to say is, that no one on this planet knew Jordan Peterson before?

[@bogdan-cristiantimofte5625]

@@googlesu they did because of that law wannabe in Canada. But not as many as they do now because of Cathy's interview

[@Daniel-gz9fk]

Jordan: "Good morning" Cathy: "So you're saying that all evenings are terrible?"

[@ronroyes2375]

😂😂

[@SatishKumar-zt2jz]

Jordan: "No i'm not saying that, I never said that @@ronroyes2375

[@avi2558]

lol

[@Kali58505]

😂

[@ronaldmccloud3378]

"and yesterday's morning, was it not a good morning Jordan?"

[@frankingrati7847]

Never in my 58 years, have I seen such dignity, honesty, composure and intelligence in a human being as I have witnessed in this man. He is a man among men and a true gentleman.

[@Aero8571]

JP, Ben Shapiro & Robert Greene are some of the best to listen to

[@maxkho00]

@@Aero8571 Certainly not Ben Shapiro.

[@_Spider4]

he's beefing with elmo

[@scottleggejr]

He seems very Canadian 😂😂

[@stuartburns8657]

​@@maxkho00Agree, not Ben

[@benedekistvan2655]

Jordan:The dog is a man's best friend. Cathy: *So you're saying dogs hate women?*

[@BB-tx7tq]

Good one. This is exactly something Newman would say.

[@ramibrown]

😂

[@shailpatel3841]

Noice

[@norulesprateek]

I like your comment but I'm not gonna hit like because of the number of likes you have.

[@timeapolonyi75]

magyar?

[@TheLunarLegend]

I like cats. 'So you're saying we should kill dogs?'

[@chaseman12]

haha great.

[@ultrapurple111]

Yes, that sums up the theme of the 'interview' perfectly.

[@tsubaka18]

Lol😂😂😂

[@killswitchfate]

Fucking thank you

[@IKIGAIofficial]

so youre saying that dogs and cats get more privilege than other animalss?

[@evangelinewandering9547]

Watching this again in 2024 - her prejudices, disrespect, bickering and her inability, or rather, unwillingness, to listen is still painfully striking.

[@nnadiblaise]

She had a set goal

[@jirikrupala3000]

Absolutely. But such are too many debates with too many ideologs these days, be it about gender, pay gaps, religion, politics... doesn't matter. People are just too lazy to think and have normal conversations, generally.

[@malasc12]

So your saying... 😂

[@lesliejimenez9103]

“HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT..?” “… i’m a clinical psychologist????” Brilliant

[@raymondhmuifoo11]

She's really trying to be passive-aggressive towards a clinical psychologist.

[@dostthouevenlogicbrethren1739]

Shows the utter lack of self-awareness of these "woke" journalists.

[@raymondhmuifoo11]

@@dostthouevenlogicbrethren1739 Pretty crazy, and nice profile picture.

[@dantehajime709]

Big mistake!

[@coiledsteel8344]

Michael G. Scott - She's a Feminist.

[@Earnestlie]

@@dostthouevenlogicbrethren1739 Unfortunately there's nothing passive about her aggressive demeanor. It's evident that she's engaged in a "Gotcha" contest, in which Peterson won't stoop to engage.

[@Sweetxy]

Does it bother you that the male restrooms is predominantly used by only males?

[@jessicaxhumari4483]

why doesn't this comment have more likes

[@axiomist1076]

In France, public restrooms are used by both.

[@rishisivakumar2013]

So your saying it doesn't bother you that male bathrooms are sexist towards females. Females can't enter the bathroom. That seems pretty unfair.

[@terryzhou3744]

Rishi Sivakumar Good one!

[@stephenireland3816]

I have noticed female toilets at malls are predominantly closer than male toilets.

[@jessicadipirro]

Jordan’s patience is remarkable

[@cuendilar]

„I‘m very, very, very careful with my words“ - „so you say i don‘t listen to what you said?“ - „yes“.

[@dubsjohnson89]

Kathy just increased pay gap to 12%.

[@PaulMatthewMusic1]

Lol

[@youngmaestro4153]

Brilliant lol

[@cek128]

No doubt lol

[@pilarquiroz3585]

@rumpleforeskin73 good reasoning. Besides, she seems to be blaming him for everything that is wrong and demanding him to justify history facts!!! Making him responsible for crisis everywhere!! How silly!!, as he said!!!.

[@siLence-84]

@rumpleforeskin73 she isn't very bright

[@EmbraceMaking]

One of her traits certainly isn't being a good listener.

[@ctyragdoll]

She listened quite well. Her catastrophic failure was attempting to twist his words into straw man arguments that were immediately shot down. That's the difference between an interviewer and a debater, the debater will always win because they know a straw man argument when they hear it. When someone says "So you're saying...", be prepared for a argumentative fallacy.

[@EmbraceMaking]

I suppose, if that's what you call listening. However, I feel that if she was actually listening, she wouldn't draw ridiculous conclusions and have to say, "so what you're saying is..." Or maybe she was just trying to find a reason to be triggered. Either way, what he actually says is typically very clear.

[@CosmicBrain21]

So are you saying women aren't good listeners? And that they should be happy just being low paid lobsters?

[@ctyragdoll]

She had pre-set notions, with little to back them up. By their own professions, he listens more and she talks more. She listened for words that she thought she could use to formulate arguments against him. I agree that she she attempted to "talk over" him, and it seemed as if she wasn't listening. And yes, she was trying to "trigger" him, hence her admission of "Yes, you got me". She was basically unprepared for him, both argumentatively and factually. There's a difference between "listening" and "understanding". She didn't listen to understand, she listened for argumentative "potholes" in his words, and then attempted to tell him what he actually meant, or create arguments that had nothing to do with what he said. She's just poor debater with preconceived ideas that had no chance. She did try, I'll grant her that much.

[@dabengal]

She had to be listening very well in order to quickly attempt to twist his words and just as quickly realize that his rebuttals to her queries were sufficient enough to stop the line of questioning. But just as ctyragdoll pointed out, this was not a discussion.

[@petercullipher9438]

I’ll give my personal example of my justified pay gap. Just a few years ago, I was the People Manager at a McDonalds, and the newest manager at that level. I was also the highest paid manager in that position, at a total of 16 stores/locations. One of the female managers discovered this and spread it around to numerous other female managers. Needless to say, they demanded a meeting with the Regional Managers and Owners. The Regional Manager figured out that these other managers didn’t invite me to this meeting and he had me hop into his car to go to this meeting. I sat down in the office that was attached to the conference room and allowed them to start their debate about why they thought my greater pay was sexist and unjustified. They had no idea that I was in the next room listening. I let this discussion go around the room before I stood up and entered the conference. They were like a deer in headlights when I entered the room through the door that was cracked open. I said “I can show you exactly why my greater pay is utterly justified”. I had executive level software access and I pulled up the profit margin for all of my shifts, and then individually pulled up each of theirs. I proved that even with my greater pay, I almost always maintained a significantly greater profit margin. I also pointed out that the females who were the most upset about my pay difference were the LEAST profitable managers. Needless to say, the two managers who unjustly accessed the payroll software were immediately fired during that meeting and directly in front of everyone. My point is that the greatest majority of businesses are more concerned with the success of the business, not who exactly is making the most money.

[@scottwickham2613]

Chad move.

[@Icky1911Films]

I hope you continue to grow with McDonald's. If the other higher up managers in the room don't recognize your potential they should follow the people they fired out too.

[@petercullipher9438]

@@Icky1911Films thank you. I was soon after promoted up to Junior Regional Manager. I didn’t have to abide by the McDonald’s standards of being a General Manager first because we were a privately owned franchise. I helped manage five of our sixteen stores, and it was an honor because I was the only person in the SE US to be promoted this way (directly through the GM position). However, my mother passed away and I moved to VA to be closer to my father and got back into auto sales.

[@SolDizZo]

I have a similar success story. It has its highs and lows, and I'm sticking with my selected career. Glad to hear you're better for the experience, too! @@petercullipher9438

[@user-go3zv2qx3f]

​@@Icky1911Filmsalpha

[@paulbrown9441]

The fact that the disagreeable, uninformed, unintelligent and deluded interviewer doesn't see that she reinforces his argument is priceless.

[@muradbabaniyazov81]

Cathy: Would you like a salad? JP: Well, what's in it? Cathy: So you're saying we should ban vegetables.

[@VtotheKallday]

Murad Babaniyazov 😂😂😂😂

[@pinkplight9992]

I really like this comment. It really described and gave a summary the whole debate. 😂

[@LTG22]

JP: No, I did not say that at all, I merely asked what was in it?

[@jamesf8864]

@@LTG22 so you're saying that women should just stay at home looking after their miserable children?

[@LTG22]

@@jamesf8864 No, I merely was curious of the contents of the salad.

[@thedrizzle313]

I’m surprised his jaw didn’t break from the amount of words she was trying to put in his mouth

[@cubbwatch]

Good one dude. But no for real, it's honeslty so pathetic, it made me so mad

[@TonyDupre]

I'm not super into Jordan Peterson, I mainly watched this video out of curiosity. You could fill a book with the words she put into his mouth. God awful "journalism".

[@iykeharrison9161]

Unbelievable!

[@tracigreen4786]

thedrizzle313 exactly. I found myself on many occasions saying” that is not it all what he said, lady”

[@tracigreen4786]

thedrizzle313 Exactly! I found myself on many occasions saying” that is not at all what he said”, lady.

[@pamelabrogaard5648]

I'm a woman and I'm glad you are encouraging men!! They need it also. I love listening to you.

[@petervaniher6559]

I watch this interview once in a while to remind myself what true eloquence sounds like.

[@the-daydreamer]

She’s trying so hard to misinterpret his words that it become annoying.

[@GinoNL]

It’s quite a well known debate technique. She just miserably fails at doing it correctly.

[@bj1783]

Let me offend the “laydees” for ya. But that’s what women do 🥴

[@rachelb1879]

@@bj1783 you’re no Jordan Peterson. 😄

[@davidpringuer3553]

Straw men

[@bj1783]

@Patrick J Mims nice 👍

[@TenkosSSJ]

- "so you're saying that..." - " no I'm not..." And that goes on 100 more times

[@hashslingingslasher8001]

I feel bad for Jordan here. The host is clearly looking for a dramatic angle to push on, and he's not giving her one. "Are you saying that..." "No I'm saying.." Over and over and over.

[@bcafoe]

Tenkos Came here to say just that.

[@kenlives]

Peterson: facts facts facts Interviewer: so, you're a sexist bigot racist then? Next question. XD

[@cmichelle9986]

Lol perfect summary of the interview. This is one of those women who think being belligerent and bitchy is strong and intelligent. WRONG

[@jamesgrey785]

Someone should remind Cathy this tactic is also known as lying

[@rionugroho1403]

This is why listening and hearing are two different things

[@julioabdala3214]

Hey Cathy, 6 years later, I was shopping for bicycle helmets and I couldn’t help but notice that both the blue and pink versions were the same price.. 19:00

[@entitledblackwoman]

The "pink tax" was a desperate myth. You can still find it, look at deodorants for men and deodorants for women. Probably the one for women will be more expensive. Here is where the feminist brain stop working and they say it is inequality, discrimination, "pink tax" and so on, but if you actually pick up one of each products and look at the contents, you'll quickly find that the product for women is of higher quality and/or contains better ingredients. If we think a bit further then we quickly realize that men and women have different skin. Men have thicker skin, literally, and their skin is not as sensitive. This is why you find "5 in 1" hygiene products for men, because their skin can take it. On the opposing side, you have women who have 5 different products for their skin. There is no pink tax, there is only men and women and their own choices. And women dominate the market.

[@nnadiblaise]

Lol

[@nickrkr]

So you're saying we have finally achieved equality 😅

[@TheHoruru]

"So you are saying this thing that you have never said" ~Interviewer

[@SammyJ..]

Perfect summary of this whole half hour

[@Obi_Bong_Kenobi]

fucking funny haha

[@longshotkdb]

over and over again ... shes not very bright, and shes bitter, _and_ shes 'on a mission' the dizzy blonde. >_

[@xomox5316]

That sums it up, what a horrible interviewer talk about someone that got their job because of gender not merit.

[@juliuserving2663]

Exactly what i was thinking. Peterson is way too smart for this lady though

[@olaliestokka1316]

Me: i play fotball Her: so you are saying girls cant play sport

[@justpepe253]

Lol

[@huskiehuskerson5300]

But theres one thing tho girls arent video games.

[@basketofpuppys]

Girls can play sports Foxy Boxing WWE Bra and pantie fights

[@avidhemp7388]

jan_teigen_ lol

[@vivekadhikari7312]

@@huskiehuskerson5300 To₹

[@hersonmurillo2285]

This interview became a classic of culture for the next decades

[@mbcw0923]

man, this right here is truly a hood classic.

[@willsnider7442]

Jordan: Women birth 100% of babies Cathy: so you're saying all women have to have kids

[@Unklebillybob]

Here is yet, another example of 'Cathy' not understanding or letting Mr Peterson finishing his thought/statement! Cathy's behavior looks like, sounds like and smells like a lot of liberal Gobbledygook! Again, these people need to Close Their Mouths and open their ears.

[@TheUrantia001]

no words, she is a rat...

[@xfiles5913]

Does this woman still have a job ?

[@azaithou5036]

@@xfiles5913 she better find something she is good at.

[@guts-n-cheese8377]

Azai Thou bold of you to assume that she is good at things in general

[@YourFather1555]

"So you're saying..." "So what you're trying to say is..." "You're just saying.." She just isn't listening.

[@lilfresh2684]

Yh I think it’s because Jordan is so smart she has to dumb his words down to understand

[@jordannieland365]

Honestly, it seems more like a case of an extreme debater mind that has zero willingness to concede, almost as if she is trying to prove a point like their life depends on it. As a result of this mindset, she attacks ever single word that he is saying and attempts to construe it in a way that portrays him and his argument in the worst way possible. From my experience in sanctioned debates in school as well as adjudication from said debates, both in my school and other, her ability to honestly reason in a way that deduces common themes is absolutely pathetic. She would barely survive people in year 7-8 in terms of ability.

[@sosalpha]

Are you saying a comet will hit this planet at noon??

[@MrMeszaros]

Yeah, but I think she does a great job of criticizing Jordan - and I think he mentions it that she does a great job of not being afraid to offend him in search of the truth. I think the segment starts at about 22:14

[@MrKago1]

@@MrMeszaros the problem is I don't think she was looking for the truth. at least not willing to let it be what it is. she had a conclusion she wanted to reach and she had to try to get him to go along with it. people do this all the time in politics. the give away is nearly always a bunch of questions involving "what you're saying is" and then an intentionally disingenuous statement. politicians do it for votes, news anchors do it for ratings. this is why youtubers like Joe Rogan, Uncommon Knowledge, Russell Brand and the like do so well. they ask questions and follow where they lead, they don't try to steer the answers.

[@arkan5000]

I love when she says she isn't very agreeable not knowing that it just proves Peterson's point and he laughs so hard knowing that.

[@TheAdamPoole]

Cathy: You're making vast generalizations. Jordan: I'm a clinical psychologist. That made me laugh way too hard.

[@Itsmytest]

I remember watching this live and fell out of my chair laughing at that part, too. It's still hilarious!

[@drdrdrfloyd]

not a logical response by Peterson

[@Itsxmusic]

@@drdrdrfloydhow so?

[@TheJohnCooperShow]

@@drdrdrfloydhe’s saying that he’s going by the clinical literature

[@drdrdrfloyd]

​@@TheJohnCooperShow I know what he is saying. And as a clinician and clinical researcher, I know (a) that he is overstating his opinion as objective, and (b) that he is wrong and a liar. Moreover, as a matter of objective fact: his opinions about - any - given population or individual are arbitrary and intuition-based, and those opinions are not - whatsoever - generalizable to any population or other individual. (Setting aside that fraudsters like Peterson do generalize, beyond the immediate patient, the fraudster's arbitrary and intuition-based opinions.) That the opinions of the Jordan Petersons of the world are arbitrary and intuition-based is common knowledge among Peterson's big brothers in psychiatry. Evidence of this includes, for example, statements by neuroscientist and psychiatrist Dr. Thomas R. Insel, and psychologist Dr. Joshua J. Chauvin, in their 2018 journal article, "Building the Thermometer for Mental Health." That is available for free through the National Library of Medicine. --Dr. Dr. Dr. Floyd

[@yowast9104]

Peterson: Breathes Interviewer: so you’re saying you hate women!

[@captainyasopp154]

This made me laugh thank you.

[@LoneWolf-fx9lm]

It doesn't matter what you are saying

[@LusidDreaming]

I love that she asks "don't you just stir people into an angry frenzy?" The perfect response would be, "no...that's just you."

[@gokuonice1940]

You ever notice how the individual who is wrong in and argument/debate is always the one who interrupts? Shes following an agenda here, peterson is simply revealing the conversion for what it is, yet she wont let that happen by interrupting with " so what you're saying..." follwed by some abstract mis-interpretation of his words.

[@andrewkonkle5447]

She rephrased what he stated so many times it's a wonder he was on this program at all. She kept seeing the phantoms in her mind and trying to build a narrative that is unsupported by reality.

[@thatgirltiffany]

OH MY GOD THIS WOMAN IS TRYING SOOOOO HARD TO CATCH HIM IN A TRAP. And she constantly assumes a position he didn't state. This debate is making my brain bleed.

[@indyjones4935]

So I'm a therapist and I watch very little of JP primarily because we agree on most things and I get little out of it most of his content. But THIS .. no THIS was certainly a lesson for me! I may watch it several times just because of what you're saying. Holy cow! That is a Master's class on not getting distracted or overly-emotional and then sorting through out every point with surgical precision. That's something maybe we all need to study how to do. That said, I wonder if she understood his point on multi-variant research. I think he needed to spell that out if not for her then for the audience .. but I also think by describing it explicitly he could make much more clear the absurdity of trying to find single causes or single meanings for everything he was saying.

[@deantyler2526]

I'm not a clinical psychologist, or a therapist, but somebody who loves debate, and i have to say - the way in which he remained focused on his points but took it as funny when having his perspective confused, or twisted, was pretty inspirational. Often it's very easy to get wrapped up in the passion that it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that I am either ranting or in a overly emotional state.

[@miashine9613]

I’m back!!! Had to do a rewatch!! Love me some Jordan Peterson!

[@user-ku3ms6ie5n]

Jordan Petersons patience in this interviw is beautiful to behold. He is clearly very intelligent, calm, a fantastic listener, well informed..... what a brilliant man. This restores my faith that there are genuine, kind, good hearted, hard working, people in the world. We all benefit massively from their endevours. A bright star in a dark sky!

[@whisperingtruthasmr]

Does she truly not understand ANYTHING he’s saying?!

[@---tw6qk]

She's just a feminist propagandist.

[@biedl86]

when she had that moment of enlightenment that her right of free speech could upset someone and that it still is a right you gotta defend, i knew she has to be plain stupid. i mean it even took her a while to wrap her head around that thought.

[@INFINITY_99]

I suppose, she doesn't want to

[@biedl86]

@@INFINITY_99 If you answer the question why she doesn't want to understand him, it'll lead you to the point where she has to be stupid. She got a fundamentalists few of gender inequality. Fundamentalism per se means that one has to be stupid, because it means that you are aiming for that one and only simple answer about a certain thing, not allowing any other answers. Fundamentalism is a way to avoid thinking. I don't know how that isn't stupid.

[@INFINITY_99]

@@biedl86 You seem very preoccupied and judging. I definitely see your point. However, I will not support your in accusing her to be stupid - that would be overhasty. The central problem is that she stands in for a viewpoint that is very extreme and that can be refuted quite easily to some extent. That's the reason why Jordan Peterson smashes her in this debate. She just doesn't have clear evidence that supports her thesis and, on top of that, her strategy wasn't thought out so well. This doesn't change the point I am making right now, though. You shouldn't be so fast in judging someone.

[@68greg19]

she is basically losing an argument with herself

[@Glacialvoid]

It's called playing the devils advocate! A very useful tool :)

[@lightsoutlena]

@@Glacialvoid devils advocate is when you argue a fifferent or opposing argument to the one that is being debated. It is not when you reconstruct the oppositions words and pervert their meaning. The worst part is that she knows she is misinterpreting him, and it is clear in her tone of voice that she is acting/pretending. She is not being honest, and her whole being knows this ....but she is doing her best to conceal it. She is lying, and thats what makes this interview so embarrassing.

[@Glacialvoid]

@@lightsoutlena To be truthful, to be an effective devils advocate, you can "pervert" the words in any way you want as long as the meaning is retained. Especially if the perversion leads to the questions being as emotional as possible. Im not at all saying this to defend her, in fact her perversion does go too far, any journalist shouldnt interpret anything beyond trying to understand the essence of something. Journalists SHOULDNT play the devils advocate. I am just saying, that this does give us something positive. Jp is really good at shutting things like that down, and they're both helping us to do that ourselves.

[@lightsoutlena]

@@Glacialvoid i can appreciate that.

[@AgentJ2007]

lena trackburn yup, there’s a term for that. The strawman argument.

[@Susgod_Hyperflex]

I find myself coming back to this often; a slurp of cool water while wandering through a hot and dusty plain.

[@Flyweight.8]

peterson claims the hierarchies of capitalism are based on competence. he is demonstrably WRONG. the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve, with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE. /\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy. capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact.

[@Susgod_Hyperflex]

@@Flyweight.8 I’m not taking the time to go through it all in yt comments, but you’re wildly incorrect. Concentrated accumulation of resources is ubiquitous throughout the natural world, and thank goodness capitalism helps the middle and lower classes at the same time.

[@Flyweight.8]

@@Susgod_Hyperflex firstly that's not true about the natural world, secondly even if it was , aren't humans meant to be better than beasts of the field ?

[@ismaelsagal2025]

Jordan: The truth is cruel Cathy: So your're saying everybody should be a liar?

[@benjoshua3049]

*whole interview:* Cathy: So you're saying that..... Jordan: I literally never said that......

[@orcrist484]

Good summary.

[@tonybright7693]

Jordan is too smart for her

[@seanm7539]

Yes pretty much

[@gondaljarrat8864]

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[@samwisegamgee2488]

sounds like my wife when we get in an argument hahaha

[@theabhishekmittal]

Jordan Peterson: I am a man Cathy: So you're saying you hate women

[@siddharthjain650]

That's what feminism means

[@gjinkalla7121]

abhishek mittal you’re degenerating it. all the assumptions she made came from statements he led. Only he was smart enough to not let them out of his mouth.

[@zombieslayer7759]

😂😂🤣

[@theabhishekmittal]

@@gjinkalla7121 He is no doubt very smart guy and a superb articulator. But for the anchor, pin pointing every other word is not smartness that the anchor was doing

[@LawsofPaul]

@@gjinkalla7121 No, all of the assumptions she made were leaps in logic. Using logical fallacy in a recorded debate is what makes her look unintelligent. It seems like you weren't able to understand anything JP said just like the reporter. He isn't arguing based on opinions, he uses purely factual arguments.

[@dsinsocal]

One of the greatest interviews ever. Every time KZbin suggests it, I spend the half-hour to watch it again.

[@bevmacay]

Cathy, you are a BULLY! You just keep interrupting JP and trying to put words in his mouth but he’s doing a good job! You go, JP!!

[@reality9]

Jordan Peterson: Yes Kathey Newman: So what your'e saying is no.

[@schlimmbotg472]

And that's sexist, isn't it?

[@fodraco4414]

😂😭

[@ACTHdan]

@@schlimmbotg472 Patriarchal tyranny, in fact 😂

[@libahopeson1296]

🤣🤣🤣

[@vrishankmistry6895]

@@schlimmbotg472 obviously, everything a man does is sexist. They slowly want to criminalize having xy chromosome

[@leonardocook4444]

Jordan: I’m hungry Cathy: so you’re saying I should go make you a sandwich? Edit: hail lobster 🦞

[@randyweaver6543]

Yes, and it’s Sammich.

[@whaleh8er991]

Damn right I am!

[@adamking6005]

Correct spelling would be: sammich

[@billyandriam]

sudo make me a sandwich

[@maogu1999]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[@simonnordon8421]

What I love about this conversation is that it's a manifestation of everything Dr Peterson talks about. Talking the high road is the path to victory. She spits continuous venom from her forked tongue, and most of us would fall prey to it. Either letting it defeat us or fighting it back. Peterson assumes good will the entire time, despite receiving everything but. Death to legacy media a.k.a state propaganda.

[@nathannorthrenia8810]

back when i first saw this in college it was around 4 million views. nice to see its closing to 50 million views now!

[@Eclecticresonance1]

His Patience: Ninja level.

[@firstnamelastname9955]

monk level or sniper level

[@jarukgema6060]

More like God level.

[@cooperristau1186]

Canadian level*

[@__________f9433]

Funny

[@sundin57]

I've never seen a 30 min long bitchslap before...

[@kamanchikamanchi3574]

sundin57 I fucking laughed out loud after reading your comment

[@bethankrzowski4553]

Amusing

[@DaftR92]

*Hitchslapped

[@wonderwall1997]

Savage

[@retrorenaissance9497]

Jordan Peterson dodges bait like a Matrix Fish

[@WhatIsThis.WhyDoINeedIt]

Loved this interview 6 years ago and just rewatched it. Plenty of “Aren’t you just”, “So what you’re saying is”, “So you’re not going to”…

[@javjuegos_8917]

it isn't over yet

[@HyperionRexx]

I come back and watch this every now and then to see how calmly and easily JP dismantles every single point she thought she had. Cathy is regarded as one of the UK's top interviewers but her own personal biases and agenda was startlingly clear here.

[@FSKgolaso]

"so what you're saying *insert the complete opposite of what he was actually saying*"

[@avidsledder]

so true, well spotted.

[@iihh517]

I'm sure she's partially doing it for the sake of the viewers. Don't you think this interview would be boring if she didn't get J. Peterson to elaborate his point in a way that the average viewers can get? It also helps him to debunk his detractors.

[@christopherbritton2677]

Mark Campling not really it’s very obvious

[@larzulrich5291]

Fributes Very typical move for feminists

[@AngryNerdBird]

Folks keep getting mad at Newman here, but Petersen uses implications in the things he's saying to communicate a lot of stuff indirectly. And he's doing it on purpose. It's a very manipulative tactic, one that works really well against someone who isn't prepared for that.

[@conrad1on]

TL;DW: "So you're saying... [thing that was never said]" x 1000.

[@darcyrobbs6866]

Thats talking to woman in general. (Its not negative, its just a thing all men have observed)

[@brucelivingston2220]

Right? So frustrating. Dr. Peterson must have the patience of a saint.

[@conrad1on]

+bruce livingston He seemed kind of amused at quite how blatantly she was trying to misrepresent him to be honest.

[@zose6289]

She tried everything, hostility, interrupting, not allowing him to finish his point, avoiding deep conversation and not listening - to win. Lefties are about winning and not about what's truth. If you discus things from ideological perspective you're losing from the start.This woman has not capacity for that anyway. She is confusing assertiveness with intelligence.The only thing left for her to try is a gun. Disgusting hysterical personality with no substance.

[@stephenl2811]

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[@deviantmultimedia9497]

I’ve never seen someone try so hard to get someone to sabotage themselves. No conversation was had here. It’s mildly entertaining for how good that guy is at deflecting all of the attacks. He’s like an athlete. It’s like watching the world’s best goalie.

[@cool-as-cucumber]

JP was at his best in this interview, she tried so many times to put him in a box and JP just wiggled out like a master.

[@JohnTurner313]

Terrible, terrible interviewer. Every question was set up as a trap or completely misrepresenting what Peterson actually said.

[@RidiculousThe3rd]

John Turner buisness as usual

[@Keepitgoinging]

She went into battle very well coached and prepared but lost.

[@spencerwhite3400]

So what you're saying is that because she's a woman, she can't be an interviewer? By the way this is sarcasm

[@coconspirator]

I think it makes it kind of brilliant actually.

[@Ultradude604]

John Turner She's not at Jordan's level. But who is? She's not that bad. At least she lets the guy answer the questions, perhaps she may have trouble understanding the answers. At least she's not as bad as Krishnan Guru Murthy. Now there's a terrible interviewer. Check out some of his work.

[@nbss]

Jordan: *comes dressed in suit Cathy: So you're mocking poor minorities who can't afford suit?

[@whitleypedia]

I'm so grateful that Channel 4 never turned off the comments for this.

[@coiledsteel8344]

Feminism is Cancer.

[@iamyouarei9497]

Feminism is worse than cancer. It's hate, distilled into a childishly aggressive ideology, directed towards 50% of the human population, in an oversimplistic bid for power. This is truly the misguided basis for the ideological ignorance that led to the most horrifying events of the 20th century, and more deaths than cancer caused in the same time frame.

[@willmercury]

She might as well have led with the question, "When did you stop beating your wife?" Or children, or slaves, etc.

[@justinebourke2811]

@@iamyouarei9497 👌👌👌

[@jasond348]

Master of composure

[@garypipe1770]

Its incredible that everytime he answered in a way she didn't like that didn't fit her view point she either pivoted completely away or tried to force her words into his mouth. Its the same thing Piers Morgan does and its all because the questions themselves aren't important to the interviews its all about getting a reaction as they believe it makes more money

[@EASTNSIM9454]

take a shot every time she says "so you're saying"

[@TheDrag0nPotat0]

don't encourage people to kill themselves haha

[@darienford860]

Emerson Are you trying to give me alcohol poison

[@MANIAKRA]

LOL

[@realisticweirdo]

I'm frunk as duck.

[@1attheback]

"so you're saying" and then she always gets it wrong and the Prof always tries to correct her and she usually ends up with "so you're saying" .... and so it goes on.

[@Pizza-ji9qc]

So you are saying.....

[@Fuvail]

LOL

[@Fuvail]

she did that atleast 10 times

[@vincentrodriguez3420]

color morale 37 times.

[@Fuvail]

Vincent Rodriguez you're joking

[@manguy01]

Womansplaining at its finest.

[@insequence2184]

I look back on this interview like the death of legacy media. Time has done nothing but solidify that in my head. RIP

[@mentalisme]

This really aged well. Could be the number one income generator of channel 4 on youtube.

[@SirJonyG]

womansplaining?

[@princetagg]

Cory Hall bruh 😂😂😂😂

[@blurglide]

Well, she didn't cunterstand what he was saying

[@HandsomeNamed]

Henpecking

[@apw4753]

I thought it was a pretty civilized discussion tbh

[@helicart]

she didn't explain anything. Just parroted opinions built on myths perpetuated by C grade intellects in women's studies depts. It would have been an intelligent thing for her to research the subject rather than put on that theatrical performance that reinforced the view that women are unaccountable for what they think and say.

[@aznwrestler3]

“I’m very very careful with my words” - Jordan Peterson “Well I’m not” - Cathy Newman

[@meghanachauhan9380]

You didn't have to say that, sweetheart. It was just so obvious - me

[@Isaias-wq7wu]

that's why I love the comment section 😂

[@wmurray689]

That was his warning to her...but she didn't realise and got had later on. BOOM!

[@thebanished87]

Sums it up

[@solaveritas4493]

This comment section keeps giving and giving, even after two years. So satisfying, lol.

[@polskie135]

I love this interview, I could watch it a hundred times :)

[@storrienorrie7147]

Yes, women do want their men to be powerful and strong chrachters. This is true

[@Orthuzz]

like who wouldnt, why the fk is she even trying to argue with that? Like wtf

[@jherydpatterson3855]

Jordan-“The sky is blue” Cathy-“so you’re saying sunsets don’t exist?”

[@patrickdonoghue7522]

It's hard to watch, but damn I keep coming back to this shitshow

[@BigBri550]

Actually, that is a valid argument. The sky is not always blue, the wind doesn't always blow, and the grass doesn't always grow. But I see what you mean: this interviewer was definitely looking for a confrontation.

[@simeonstoyanov5226]

@@BigBri550 but he didn't specify the "always". He might've meant "now", which could be more or less likely depending on the context - if you're discussing the weather for example.

[@BigBri550]

@@simeonstoyanov5226 Well, the OP is a characterization anyway, but here’s how it works: “The sky is blue” is an absolute statement even lacking the word “always.” So if Cathy were to retort, “So you’re saying sunsets don’t exist,” she’s not exactly wrong. If an absolute statement can be interpreted as exclusionary, it is invalid unless it happens to be true under all circumstances. To conclude otherwise is assumptive.

[@alicenobre1916]

😂 yeah, just like that

[@HeliRy]

Many a strawman were slayed upon the battlefield this day.

[@davintedja6705]

HeliRy So youre saying only strawmen are slaughtered on the battlefield and no strawwomen? Isnt that being divisive?

[@SIPEROTH]

+Davin Tedja So you are saying we should be slaying female straw people instead of male? Isn't that misogynist?

[@jillshortmilk3203]

Anon ymous so what you're saying is that we should exterminate ze straws and replace them with wood?

[@HeliRy]

Time is dismantle the Pulpriarchy!

[@oreoninja3035]

So what you're saying is that you support the genocide of the peachful straw people. You bigot!

[@patriciabouso1604]

I love the arguments this guy is giving to the interviewer. The female interviewer is not grasping the point. She keeps trying to twist his words. What he said is crystal clear to me. The gap between men and women doesn't depend solely on gender; it's a culmination of various factors. Why is it so hard to understand that? Moreover, it's annoying when she wrongly interprets and rephrases what he said. Anyone who has studied physics, chemistry, or anything that cannot be uniquely defined by one thing, such as a formula with several variables-major components of nature and society-should understand that the gap between genders is not attributable to one factor alone.

[@TheREALDesignYourLife]

In no particular order: 1. too agreeable 2. choice of profession 3. Work less hours 4. takes more time off A few more I can't recall right now.

[@Oxibase]

Willingness to take on work further from home and take on more dangerous work.

[@gabrielgboucher6546]

Having children . Being a traditional wife that want to take more care of their children so less hours

[@gerrysong6908]

Jordan: "There are starving people everywhere." Cathy: "So you're saying that women belong in the kitchen."

[@Fighting-Spirit7]

😂😂😂😂

[@zaimnaqvi8893]

Lol

[@al-rc5ry]

Hilarious 😂🤣

[@joereynard3415]

This wins😂

[@mickjonkman5398]

Precisely this😂😂

[@user-ut7if6wb4b]

Jordan : **breathes** Cathy : *SO YOU'RE SAYING..*

[@corbinwhite9383]

Yeah this is a good one

[@michaelterry1000]

"So you are saying" introduce straw man argument here.

[@seanriopel3132]

A perfect example of putting words in someones mouth. He handled every response with such skill and intelligence, I would love to chat with him for a while. He can articulate and express his ideas succinctly and clearly. Total bro-mance right now! LOL

[@michaelterry1000]

@Joe Arguin Yes, many were angered, including me, but she did it so many times, with almost every question, that it became comical and exposed her as a fraud for trying to debate with logical fallacies not giving a genuine interview.

[@seanriopel3132]

@Joe Arguin I guess she is used to putting stuff in her mouth she figured she would try it on someone else.

[@darkthought7860]

Jordon: i like moustaches Kat: so your saying you love Hitler?

[@milenamikulic]

@darkthought7860 hahahha, good point

[@James-wy2co]

The “Gotcha” moment makes me lol, just brilliant

[@soursamurai]

Jordan: im straight. Her: so you hate gay people?

[@texeltexel2009]

Pretty much the logic used in the homosexual agenda.

[@petershury7135]

Can’t believe they aired this lol I’m so glad they did 😂

[@texeltexel2009]

@Adolf Hitler Everybody is equal under the Law/Constitution. Any additional laws specifically for some groups of people are just special privileges, which creates the very thing you guys are supposedly fighting against, which is inequality.

[@prateekparmar7138]

@Adolf Hitler Radical left have agenda

[@yengsabio5315]

@@texeltexel2009 Hear, hear!

[@rosscampbell1319]

Jordan Peterson: Hi, thanks for having me. Cathy Newman: So you are saying women shouldn't exist?

[@-eurosplitsofficalclanchan6057]

No one: Absolutely no one: Peterson: Newman: so your saying I shouldn't exist?

[@Vorzilla]

So clearly you arent aware he is there speaking on a book she has read hahahahahahahaha

[@wesc08]

Jordan Peterson: I had bacon and eggs for breakfast. Cathy Newman: So you are saying kill all vegans?

[@tayloresc90]

@@Vorzilla a book she has read and clearly has not understood.

[@Vorzilla]

@@tayloresc90 oh she understands it well enough to ask him questions that make him uncomfortable and he isnt prepared to answer thus he talks in circles thinking it will confuse her and she has to keep bringing him back to his hypocritical conclusions.

[@jeffsmith1780]

Does the interviewer ever once listen and then elaborate on his response?? Her sole intent was to paint Mr. Peterson into corners fictitiously concocted. His patience is off the charts and he easily worked his way through her attempted minefield. I would say that the interviewer and the media outlet should be ridiculed for their attempt to smear, but they only succeeded in further acknowledging a true cultural Rock Star!! Thank you Mr. Peterson. The world is a far better place due to your efforts. Salute!!

[@Orthuzz]

He did, but imagine people speaking like this to you all the time. Man i wouldnt be able to take it and i think many people do talk like that to him. It has to be so tiring honnestly, i would feel really bad.

[@gealinga1994]

This will be watched til the end of time.

[@fconstraints]

Debate? I just watched a televised homicide. How embarrassing for that poor woman.

[@thetruthmeister]

Nick Sharps bahahahahahaha

[@shade38211]

Nick Sharps In her mind, she either won argument or hit glass ceiling as a child.

[@MitchelGant]

Fuck it, she deserved to have her ass handed to her.

[@unknownunknown1414]

@@MitchelGant Amen, brother.

[@Caldwell007]

So are you saying that she's poor because she's a woman?

[@kasrafallen]

Can we just appreciate that the Channel 4 didn't close comment section and we have these beautiful comments?

[@ass-master-deluxe]

Very rare of leftist media not to censor free speech. Kudos

[@wozzup08]

They don't like Cathy

[@jordyv.703]

Very smart of them to do so. This attracts a lot of attention to them

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Ch4 didnt learn anything or change their ways either, she is still there along with the rest of the presenters, spouting left wing propaganda and trying to find (or create) nazis in every interview with anyone that doesnt bow to political correctness like they do.

[@perlagallego1823]

How can viewers be appreciate her? I would say.... NO!

[@davidmartin7163]

I love Jordan Peterson highlights. This is definitely on the greatest hits of JP. 🤑🤑

[@ridingwithdagrantory7279]

PROTECT THIS MAN AT ALL COST

[@Coouge]

“So you’re saying...”

[@NestorLedon]

Coouge 😂👌 notice how she needs to reinvent what he says to hold an argument.

[@LoreleiLee53]

That woman needs lesson in the art of listening. She is infuriating. A producer should have slapped her and said, "Snap out of it!" A la Cher in Moonstruck

[@RealJustLaw]

So you're saying... Repeat a paraphrase that says NOTHING that Jordan Peterson said -- hahaha!

[@hewasfuzzywuzzy3583]

Coouge In a nutshell, yes. That sums up this interview and those behind her speaking through her. She's totally a puppet.

[@jivecjedkin]

She's womansplaining.

[@cubeologist42]

I know it wasn't her point, but this interview made me instantly pre-order his book.

[@Rx7man]

I just ordered it too!

[@juve7105]

Cubeologist same!!

[@TSotP]

I got it on Audible. If you enjoy listening to Dr Peterson talk, it's like a 15hour podcast lol

[@McMonkeyful]

Added to the wishlist. It was great to watch him school Channel 4 news.

[@McMonkeyful]

Just waiting for my next credit to come in and I'm all over this.

[@Grivian]

Swede here. I am a male and an engineer. My grandfather was an engineer. My mom is a nurse, my sister is a nurse, my grandmother was a nurse, my cousin (female) is a nurse and so is her mother

[@user-js8op2xy8d]

Very interesting interview, it's important to have open discussions. Each views should be respected. He was very patience which was admirable

[@darijokesar5703]

There are no "views" here....there are facts...facts don't care about opinions.

[@evanmorgan327]

Jordan Peterson: *exists* Cathy: So you’re saying dead people are irrelevant

[@Iknowwholetthedogsout]

Underrated

[@Jeremy-zb3cc]

Goated comment

[@negokimolo3116]

Underrated

[@Caspricocious]

I completely disagree with this statement. Cathy would more likely say something along the lines of "So you’re saying dead Women are irrelevant?"

[@Fernandez2023E]

@@Caspricocious 😂😂😂😂

[@blackhole-chan4619]

*S O Y O U ' R E S A Y I N G*

[@blazednlovinit]

*smacks feminist lips*

[@Balewolf7]

Honestly, can we get a count of how many times she said "So you're saying " with him say "No, I didn't say that at all" lol

[@ElPeejerino]

She's absolutely *desperate* to interpret his statements in any way but the way in which they were intended. Intellectual dishonesty at it's most blatant.

[@AnthonyTrifoglio]

Cathy "Strawman" Newman

[@M_Lars]

OI ISNT THAT THE RAY CIST NAHHHZEEE WHOITE MALE OPPRESSIVE FROG? ROIGHT LADS LETS GET HIM IN THE NICK.

[@danhemsley]

I’ve watched this a couple of times a year since it came out. I find deeper meaning with every watch.

[@TobyRiggs]

I've never seen a woman be so disagreeable as a reporter

[@Tr33fiddy]

Let's break down this interview; 49% Peterson explaining what he means 50% Peterson being told what he means by an the interviewer who misconstrues every point. 1% Questions

[@flybydeath]

"I haven't seen this many strawmen since Wizard of Oz" But the Wizard of Oz only had one strawman.... I have a feeling your comment made more sense in your head before you actually typed it out...

[@philipcollier263]

welcome to channel 4

[@BryanCDonaldson]

You forgot the 9% pay gap.

[@perchristmansson7041]

so 49% is mansplaining...LOL

[@rand0m0mg]

She did a good job of representing how mainstream ideologues would interpret what he is saying, and by doing that, gives Peterson a chance to respond to those interpretations.

[@tomwebb8801]

I watch this quite often, just to remind myself of how not to be an idiot.

[@kamakirinoko]

You know, I don't particularly gush and fall over myself repeating "Oh, Jordan, Jordan, you're SO smart" but you know, compared to most people I've seen/met/married/argued with/listened to, this guy has a fucking neuron or two actually fucking firing somewhere deep in the recesses of his anterior cingulate medullary fomentum-you know, actually *demonstrating* the oft-trumpeted claim that human beings at some point diverged from the apes, UNLIKE around ninety-nine point nine percent of the tetrapod-like organisms that come under the designation "humanity".

[@candycolriv]

😅

[@grillGrilla]

@@kamakirinoko it would amuse me to have a clip of you voicing this comment in person included at the end of this video footage.

[@Venuscat007]

@@kamakirinoko Your comment regenerated my dead brain cells :))))

[@kamakirinoko]

@@grillGrilla Tee hee; I would be hilariously happy to oblige. Each and every single day I am struck with the realization that the vast, VAST majority of human beings have only the vaguest notions of the existence of modes of thought about science, history, the sum of human knowledge up to this point or really, ANYTHING AT ALL beyond their Facebook pages and the latest engrossing conspiracy theory. That's when they're rationalizing why they shouldn't vaccinate their kids, if indeed you can dignify the term as "rationalizing."

[@LikeVenom18]

My god, what an annoying and rude host. I've no idea why he didn't use her weapons against her and called her out for trying to put words into his mouth. I also wished he persisted with the question when he asked her about her success and what it took. She knew where this would go to and this is why she persisted with other questions. I dislike he followed her along that path. Overall, a very intelligent, well-read and controlled man. Big respect.

[@Tricolorrr533]

Peterson: "Well.." Cathy: "So you're saying tap water is inferior?"

[@Gabriel-dt9dv]

😂😂

[@leoleo2336]

lol..😂

[@quinnharris3283]

underrated comment

[@elementq]

this is the best one of all...an elegant pun is always wellcome.

[@stephanhugo4185]

😂😂😂

[@lastfirst5863]

Tbh, kudos to channel 4 for leaving comments enabled and not being as butthurt as they could be.

[@operativexeight]

seriously. that's pretty commendable

[@WTFTheLeftIsBigger]

The top executive got a letter from her to disable them but he realized the name on the letter was Cathy so he threw it out.

[@mistuhgee]

Well, yes and no. They can't take this down or disable comments because the blowback would be a scandal. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[@artemlobovsfightingcareeri4922]

Yitzi Schweitzer right

[@970pl]

From what I remember it's because they thought they 'won' the debate.

[@PNGIslandVIBES]

The amount of words she tried to put in his mouth is absolutely astounding. He caught her every time though,

[@khalilyosefkellyMMA]

The most insane question she asked was. “Why should your freedom of speech trump the right of someone not being offended.” She literally just called not being offended a right. This has to he the most frustrating interviewer ive ever seen.

[@remusomega]

"SO YOU'RE SAYING.....Im a lobster?"

[@TexasWench]

Hol’ up... so you be sayin’... you sayin’... hol’ up... so you be sayin’ we was lobsters and shit?

[@TheGoodCrusader]

No, no, no, lobsters need anti depression pills

[@sattrill5896]

#LobsterLivesMatter

[@drewmurray4589]

No we should never be like lobsters. They don't even clean their room

[@soko1450]

With all the crustacean privilege one could ask for