Jordan Peterson's Disgusting Poetry Book

[@RachelOates]

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[@dukewarm9915]

have you read 'Tonight my Demons Hold Me' by Amapola White ? it seems like she was forced off social media and just vanished completely , the book is kind of a sad read but does contain a Rupi Kaur 'diss' which I don't think I've ever seen between poets before, makes it all a bit Biggie vs Tupac lol

[@terendril]

In my opinion, the big issue is that it is even possible in the first place for this book to be interpreted the way Rachel has. Like maybe Peterson is intending to expose the raw reality of child abuse and trauma, but he fails to insert any perspective or commentary on it, any meaning. For example, the poem about the child crying for its parents attention, and them being secretly relieved when she dies - that's real as fuck! There are truly parents who feel this way about their kids. But the poem does nothing to explore that idea. NOTHING. The whole minsdet of the collection is written from the abusive adult's perspective, or from the perspective of people blaming the children represented. And then just...leaves it! The natural conclusion is that *the author agrees.* I want to know, having encountered this perspective irl, and now writing it in all its raw evil, WHAT DOES PETERSON THINK ABOUT IT. Does he agree with how the crying child was viewed? Does he disagree? Does he empathize with the abusers? Does he empathize with the child? Very important context missing

[@Stormy177]

Isn't Rachel's take just a bad faith one? If someone has seen any videos of Jordan Peterson's lectures and chooses to believe that he has any sympathy with child abuse (beyond the abusers usually(?) having been victims of abuse themselves and failing to break the cycle) then it seems like they might need everything made explicitly clear to them lest they infer the worst.

[@terendril]

@@Stormy177 I can't speak to whether Rachel's take is bad faith or not. Never watched any Jordan Peterson. I was trying to just take the poems she showed at face value. And at face value, none of them clearly communicate more than "this is a thing." Is it a...bad thing? A complicated thing? A thing indicatative of part of our culture? Or or the legal system? I just want context and meaning. Personally, I want my art to say something. Preferably to say it well, and in a way that opens up my brain to new thoughts and understanding. But like the poems were buildup with no punchline. If it were one or two, cool. Meaning can be inferred or argued based on book context. If I picked up this book in a store, I wouldn't know whether the author had any compassion for these kids and the horrible way they are talked about or not. Why would you write the poems this way if you did have compassion? Wouldn't you want to make it obvious, to avoid hurting people further if you were misinterpreted?

[@Stormy177]

@@terendril That there was no context or meaning put around the poems makes them better art, no? It makes them more thought-provoking than they would be if he said "Child abuse is bad, don't abuse kids, mmkay?" after every poem. The reader is left to consider the situation described in the poem and what they think of it. I'd agree that on the face of it they aren't great poems, but I think criticism much beyond that is reaching somewhat. Do most poetry collections include detailed breakdowns of the poems therein? If they don't, does that make that poetry collection bad or unenjoyable?

[@terendril]

I think there's a difference between "open to interpretation" and "hard to figure out if the author even had a point, really." And I think with topics as dark and potentially negatively impactful as child abuse, it's better to err on the side of thoughtfulness and carefulness. This book could be charitably read as Peterson just venting, writing down all the negativity he saw in his job as a way to deal with second-hand trauma. Cool , great - publicizing it shows a lack of care and understanding. Selling it for money, even more so. If you're putting art into the world, you are communicating. What are you communicating? That is important to consider. The hypothetical children Peterson wrote about - if they read this as adults, would they feel exploited? Re-traumatized? Are these poems helpful or harmful to the people being written about? These are important questions, and I don't see evidence that they were considered much.

[@drtaverner]

​@@Stormy177 I've seen Peterson claim that a child needs to be punished into conformity. "An angry child should sit by himself until he calms down. Then he should be allowed to return to normal life... The rule is 'come be with us as soon as you can behave properly." Except all you've done is tell the child to repress anger and other emotions, not to process them or deal with them. The child learns that angry children are not worthy of love. Conform or be cast out. Trauma and PTSD focussed researchers consider Peterson's advice on child-rearing to be abusive. It goes against the findings of modern neuroscience, psychology, and psychiatry. Based on the shit Peterson says about child-rearing, I'd find it hard to put a positive spin on his motivations here. Since he basically advocates for abuse elsewhere, how can we interpret his poetry as contrary to his other stated positions?

[@mquillpen]

It strikes me that Gorey feels present in his own work in a way that Peterson isn’t - Gorey writes about a world he lives in, he comes across as someone who has experienced severe trauma for himself and uses his work to express his way of processing his world. That’s why he knows what to exaggerate- he knows what is realistic, he’s exaggerating what is within his experience of his world. Peterson appears to position himself from the outside looking in. He’s dissociated himself from any experience of trauma he may have had, and instead draws from the traumas of others. So, to him, this book may feel exaggerated and unreal, even though it isn’t- because it isn’t his experience. He’s passing judgement on a world that is not his own.

[@vintagearisen]

I feel like this could have been an extremely meaningful piece if the poems were longer and showed that the blaming language was *how the clients saw themselves.* Instead it gives the impression that he was sitting there in his therapy sessions thinking "Well, David, obviously you got SA'd by your priest because you're too stupid to get away"

[@biseragjurovska1998]

Very insightful, agreed

[@angelofdusk13]

I agree, and I think Gorey's use of illustration takes "The Gashlycrumb Tinies" to a new level of dark humor and horror. Most of them are the moment RIGHT BEFORE something terrible befalls the child, making the reader desperately want to warn them, but having no way to do so. The feeling of helplessness is the point--seeing kids who would have lived if there had only been an adult to actually look after them. It also mirrors the helplessness of the children trapped in a violent and uncaring world. The reader is left with a feeling by the end that they should DO something, and deep empathy for the children's misfortune. Gorey makes sure to keep it from becoming a complete gore-fest (pun intended) by breaking up the tension with a child who "dies of ennui," an absurd idea that reminds the reader that this is just a story, take a breath, laugh a bit. I'm sorry this comment is so long--"The Gashlycrumb Tinies" is my favorite Edward Gorey book.

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

Amazon's description calls this, "dark and witty poems, each a tragic comedy of innocence and vulnerability". And they're definitely dark, but... where is the wit? The comedy? They just seem soulless.

[@warlordofbritannia]

There's some dark comedy in the fact that he thought these were good enough to sell for real money, that's something!

[@Chels-fz5uq]

Innocence? Eww. He’s disgusting.

[@aliceveil622]

Funny for people in the dark web, I bet.

[@cityman2312]

I would have guessed that Peterson was trying (and failing miserably) to emulate Heinrich Hoffman, but does Peterson know German?

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@cityman2312 I bet he doesn't, as he has never spoken, read, or even mentioned that he knows German. And honestly, as a German myself, I would feel very insulted if he did.

[@jon-paulmattack1152]

Writing words that victim blame Just shows who has got not shame A person who claims to know the mind Fails in the ways of being kind To seem to glorify abuse Is proof that this is so obtuse Intelligence is a world apart From the act of being smart

[@zareien2290]

Hundred times more talent here than in that published book

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

This is nice!

[@jon-paulmattack1152]

@@tcrijwanachoudhury Thank you

[@harlowitter3060]

👏👏👏

[@ferociouslioness]

PUBLISH THIS PLS

[@brentc3580]

I feel like Jordo is absolutely desperate to be considered a polymath, but he is so incurious and incompetent that he basically wrote a “poetry” collection of edgy teenager dead baby jokes

[@merbst]

He certainly is incurious

[@caseycronan9217]

Curiously incurious.

[@CalvinChikelue]

Absolutely right! Hell, that desperation to frame themselves as having expertise in every field is a symptom Peterson & so many conservative faux intellectuals of the right wing share like Shapiro or Matt Walsh. They are obsessed with painting themselves as polymaths so that they can comment on issues they have zero experience in or the needs of peoples they don’t earnestly care about so that they never have to actually put forth the effort to learn & they can call their rhetoric undeniable even when actual experts flatly disagree with them. They run on the desire to be seen as geniuses while maintaining their narrow-mindedness, regressive ideals & perpetual apathy in the arenas of the social & political.

[@apjapki]

To be fair, he knows his target audience. His terrible, deplorable audience.

[@falconeshield]

​@@apjapki The ones that are impressed by someone just because they have a Dr in front of their name

[@blablablagfzrgf6238]

imagine having a therapist that shares your trauma as haha black humor in his poetry book with some cheap interior design core bw photos right next to it

[@Itri_Vega]

I do wonder what his former patients think about the book.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Pretty sure that would put me off therapy for life

[@M05tly]

Even worse, trauma involving your child. What an odious little ghoul.

[@ace.of.space.]

Peterson doesn't seem to have realized that just because you write about dark subjects doesn't mean your work is necessarily interesting or profound. Many thanks to Kyra for her commentary

[@FocusedFighter777]

Sadly a lot of his kind does the exact same BS, and not just through books but YT as well of course. It's like a F plague really. It has reached highly F'd up proportions and shows no sign of stoping soon..... Brainwashing, radicalising, now a lot of women regurgitate the same BS, as if we needed more against us.... Never ends.

[@rigelb9025]

He wished to emulate the likes of Gorey and Grimm, but he ended up, most likely, just gory and grim.

[@RainbowFlowerCrow]

​@@rigelb9025 🎯 Bullseye! Fantastic wordplay, Rigel!

[@rigelb9025]

@@RainbowFlowerCrow Thank you. I'm glad it didn't go unnoticed.

[@LiarJudas666]

That snarly huff was so perfect lmao

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

This man has more red flags than there are pages in his book.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Jordan Peterson has more red flags than the Soviet Union

[@bengeurden1272]

A couple of years ago, he would still hide the red flags pretty well, but lately hé just became openly UNreliable. He is basically just a frustrated clinical psychologist who forgot about his professional attitude and fully goes into the Jesus, conservatism, intuitive existentialism, anti-feminism, and all this stereotypical masculinity. Integrity? Well, I hope that Peterson still knows that word and if he does, that he will not only apply this to his own little field, but apply integrity in general, and especially concerning professionalism.

[@biseragjurovska1998]

Agreed

[@M05tly]

I'd say he has more red flags than letters in the dictionary.

[@lordmorklen5166]

would you say he's Red as a Lobster?

[@attentivechair3248]

"Complex words just to sound smart--" Kyra growls loudly. Totally agree.

[@mrspreminger]

Unfortunately, him writing a book like this is not surprising considering his terrible conduct as a psychologist. When he started getting fame in 2017, he was ditching his patients and lying that he couldn’t make the appointments because he was sick, when really he was on tv. In the auto-replies of his emails, he would talk about how hard fame was for him and told his patients to send argumentative emails to his detractors. Being a human thesaurus neither means he’s smart, nor does it mean he’s good at what he literally got his PhD in.

[@AmbassadorKat]

Thank you for writing this cuz I make this same post all over the internet but today i didn’t have to

[@FocusedFighter777]

Too bad so many people won't see him as the scumbag that he is. But as a GOD.

[@Mandombb]

Bruh

[@Miakruger]

How do you know all of these?

[@AmbassadorKat]

@@Miakruger the podcast Behind the Bastards discusses a lot of this on their episodes about him, but the information is freely available from many sources, including statements made directly by the former patients he left high and dry

[@Ty-mu7gl]

Off to make my therapist sign an NDA to ensure she doesn't ever write crappy edgy poetry about my trauma in the future 😔😔

[@wolvie1618]

Jordan Peterson strikes me as the kind of person who would say something super offensive and gross and laugh his ass off while everyone else in the room stares at him in discomfort, then he gets mad at them and goes "you guys can't take a joke"

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

Yep. That guy is just plain tone deaf at this point.

[@torkelsvenson6411]

"Up yours woke moralists"

[@violetbitch9492]

if he doesn't do that his fanboys for sure do

[@dinosaysrawr]

The Intellectual Dark Web in a nutshell.

[@jackovonfuckery6712]

Sounds like u can't take a joke

[@jeffengel2607]

It really is the simple answer: Peterson regards cruelty and suffering as hilarious. It's just bullying.

[@fiery_scream]

This. He's a very strange, insecure guy. The man worked in therapy for years yet didn't believe in the concept of mental health (ie. often shamed clients for seeking treatment-- which is such a bizzare take from an ex-therapist). I wouldn't be surprised if he got liscened just to have another outlet to bully and shame people. Fame and praise is a factor as well but he seems so motivated by disdain lol.

[@ChristianCatboy]

Yup. He's too privileged (and hopped up on downers) to empathize with people in distress.

[@Keznen]

An example of pure sadism.

[@carlpanzram7081]

Clearly you know nothing about him.

[@Keznen]

@@carlpanzram7081 You must be his alt account.

[@sirisghfdfjyhlfgll947]

the fact that this man has psychology degrees (and worked with patients) is absolutely horrifying

[@ActuallyHoudini]

*had

[@warlordofbritannia]

It could be worse I'm not sure *how* but it could be worse (probably)

[@MajorArlene]

Not only worked with patients, he dropped them at the first bit of fame he got and then also attempted to weaponize some of them against his political adversaries, literally asking them to go harass people.

[@marocat4749]

Also he said he did itto blow of stream,so that likely are stories from patients, an in his other books he did talk way too uch about patients lies not obscured in any way, It alo monstrous that he publishes the poems h did to blow o stream from i guess hearin abuse stories , in private, trusted. Not my theory, but yah, h said is to "blow o stream" and he i way too open about sessions, so, .. Even aside th etremely cruelty in th narrative without the point asid, that book shouldnt be sold.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

Check out his lectures in the 90s from Harvard. It is a Jungian house party of Alan watts but for squares. It is rather good I think.

[@issecret1]

Imagine being his former patient and reading your trauma being made fun of. Or being Katie and reading him making fun of your appearance

[@biseragjurovska1998]

I can see people not being able to trust therapists ever again and never getting the help they need because they are either Peterson's patients or they're not but they see this and think if their therapist would ever do something similar and display their traumas to the world.

[@carlpanzram7081]

None of his patients have ever issued a complaint, and he has helped hundreds of thousands of people with his advice.

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

@@carlpanzram7081 I had a therapist encourage my eating disorder I didn't complain That means nothing

[@stanleyklein524]

Brilliant argument. Absence of evidence is... Pathetic.@@carlpanzram7081

[@bagelprince3]

i read "sickest" as a positive at first and was genuinely surprised he could string together a cohesive collection of writings but then saw you said WORST in description and felt that was more correct than my first impression of the title lol

[@RachelOates]

Haha I never thought of 'sick' being a complement, I may change that!

[@AxiomofDiscord]

@@RachelOates So you are not a 90s kid?

[@RachelOates]

@@AxiomofDiscord I was born in 93 but I'm also not cool

[@fimbles4211]

You beat me to it!

[@AxiomofDiscord]

@@RachelOates When I say 90s kid that would be like a preteen to teen in the 90s so born early to mid 80s. So yeah you likely a little young for everything to be sick... you be moving into the "lit" age.

[@heidibarker9550]

The fact that something this awful can be published vives me confidence in my own writing.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

Self-publishing is a thing. Even if you write something absolutely trash, if you pay a printer, you can publish it. That's why we have some cringe books like The Vision and God is. 😅

[@apjapki]

The disturbing thing is that he boils down everything to literary archetypes. He writes about abuse as an archetype. BUT THIS MAN SAT IN THE ROOM WITH REAL PEOPLE IN FRONT OF HIS FACE AND DEHUMANISED THEIR EXPERIENCES INTO A BUNCH OF ARCHETYPES FOR EDGELORD JOKES. That's f****d up.

[@RememberTheDead]

The only force in the universe that can counter the toxic energy of Jordan Peterson is the sweetness of Kyra.

[@majooortom4254]

nothing toxic about him. book may suck, but he is a good man

[@Krieksu]

​@@majooortom4254 he's literally the writer and the book doesn't just suck because his lack of talent, it sucks because of his lack of humanity and empathy; don't try to separate him from his works when they're a reflection of his thoughts (and actions)

[@jacobm6617]

@@majooortom4254Please tell me how he is a good man

[@chebghobbi]

​@majooortom4254 He first hit the big time after lying about a human rights bill. These days he just bullies people on Twitter.

[@RachelOates]

UPDATE: Changing the video title has change their decision and it looks to be monetised again! Yay :) :) :) Possibly not surprisingly this video has been demonetised by KZbin. I guess mocking child abuse is fine to get paid for but not calling out the book that does it 👍 In light of this, if you'd like to help support my channel it'd be amazing if you wanted to leave a like or comment on the video, share it on social media like Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit, or if possible for you, I do have Patreon: www.patreon.com/racheloates Thank you so much for all the support, I really appreciate it! ♥♥♥

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Those who are right are often weak but many. We are legion time will be kind to us.

[@b4rbarbar]

Please tell me how is it possible for this to be demonetised but I'm still seeing ads!?!?! Can youtube really do this? Demonetize something, roll ads anyways, and not give the creator any money for those said ads??

[@Sableagle]

@@b4rbarbar Oh, yeah, they announced that a while ago. They have a new policy that they can stick adverts on any video, demonetised by them or on a demonetised channel or whatever, and keep all the ad revenue for themselves rather than sharing it with the video creator. Power corrupts.

[@b4rbarbar]

@@Sableagle Jesus H Christ... Thanks for the info! It's mind-blowing...

[@marocat4749]

Yay

[@kaylinevergreen1962]

the very premise of this book is VILE. My jaw dropped to the floor

[@prerecordedeulogy]

Peterson comparing himself to Edward Gorey is the funniest thing I've heard all day.

[@mylittlethoughttree]

Well this is the weirdest thing I've heard today. I know surprisingly little about Peterson but...what the hell??? Hope he never practiced with children as a psychologist

[@aralornwolf3140]

He did... it's part of his training. Sounds more like the children became adults then sought him out. Which isn't much better really...

[@nikkimelay5293]

He taught at Harvard, so yes enlighten us as to why you know more than someone who was a professional teacher. I'll wait..

[@brifox]

@@nikkimelay5293 Because he demonstrably contradicts the clear evidence and scientific consensus? If you're going to argue from authority, why would you argue in favor of the one crazy renegade over the thousands of much, much more credible and less demonstrably false experts?

[@mylittlethoughttree]

@@nikkimelay5293 as I said, I know surprisingly little about him, so I accept my judgement towards him may be wrong... it's just all I've really heard are bad things (I think he's currently in the process of being struck off or something?) Teaching at harvard about psychology or philosophy (again, I don't know what he teaches, so you'll have to correct me) is very different from the ability to provide effective therapy to clients. I suspect he knows a hell of a lot more about teaching and about psychology than me. As a children's counsellor and psychotherapist, though, I'm not sure he knows more about that than I do...or maybe he does, but knowing how to, and actually providing good therapy are two different things. Anyway. Is it fair for me to judge a man's ability as a therapist on the basis of one jokey poetry book? Absolutely not, I know I'm being unfair. Is it all still incredibly strange? Yes. I think I am at least justified to be baffled by it

[@daniela.radcliffe]

Hi! I love your videos. If you ever research more into Jordan Peterson, I'd love to hear your opinion of him. I started liking him, but as time passed and I watched/read more from him, that initial opinion changed a lot.

[@Tareltonlives]

So his grasp of poetry is about the same as his grasp of psychology, sociology, history, ethics, law, anthropology and political science. That bad.

[@Tareltonlives]

Happy birthday Kyra! Love the matching jacket!

[@a-ghost-named-Anna]

Oh boy, this man’s a fun one…

[@85MasterV]

The guy has doctorates, has been a professor at Harvard. If you've even seen one single lecture on his historical knowledge you'd know how wrong you are...since he SUCKS at poetry. If you don't agree with him on things, that's fine, but you don't have to lie.

[@kant.68]

Said the guy who thinks women can have penises

[@Tareltonlives]

@@85MasterV I haven't lied in this paragraph.I'm not as good a liar as him- I can't turn it into a career.

[@spaghetto9836]

~Old Man Jordan~ Jordan was a jaded dude, A senile man with changing moods Acting rude he would confuse, With freedom of speech, telling truths. No one knew that his fame grew From lying about his aptitudes He screams, "Let's see who cancels whom!!" Old man, who are you talking to? ~Kermit~ There once was a crazy hermit, Locals nicknamed him "Kermit" By a wonky stature & wonkier vocals, he would come to earn it He was always told to curb it, There was nowhere he could stay He made poetry one day, And all the townsfolk told him, "Burn it!!" You can tell which one I had more fun making.

[@aquabluerose7734]

The jump from Peterson to Kermit made me laugh out loud. Bravo! 👏

[@spaghetto9836]

@@aquabluerose7734 **Bows** Thank you.

[@toomanygoblins5914]

🎶And Old Man Jordan, like river drifting, he just keeps grifting, he keeps on grifting alooooong🎶

[@jesselee2331]

I think what doesn’t sit right with me the most about his “poetry” is that he said they’re based on stories from his practice… that’s super exploitative and quite frankly feels unethical to me. like it’s really disgusting to write a “dark humor” poetry book about actual experiences of your clients. canada is in the right for throwing him out and having him pursue more education imho 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@dinosaysrawr]

God, from my POV, they've been slow-to-act and incredibly-lenient!

[@Billpro25]

Isn't it forbidden by law for psychologists to divulge their patients' secrets? Even second-handedly like with these books?

[@Gilberto90]

​@@Billpro25 did you even think before commenting? How do you think research is carried out and papers published in order to determine the best practice for patients?

[@Billpro25]

@@Gilberto90 Isn't there a process of cross-examination with more than one specialists involved in such cases? I am curious.

[@meciocio]

@@Billpro25 Which patient secrets he divulged?

[@packman2321]

I'll definitely need to look up Gorey, I was just reading an essay about how Dr Seuss subverts pedagogy and it'll be useful to put those into discussion. I think writing about children is always quite an important thing to do well, because no matter how much you intend your work to be aimed at adults, young people always exist as a sort of shadow audience. I remember reading a piece on the history of travelling libraries of gothic fiction ('Blue Books' I believe they were called) that writers like Mary Godwin and Edgar Allen Poe pulled from when they were children and the author included a quote from elsewhere (though I forget the source): "All good literature, is children's literature in the end."

[@salyx]

Gorey was a CHARACTER and such a great artist. I like that you point out the writers who pulled from their own childhood experiences - my favorite book of Neil Gaiman’s is The Ocean at the end of the Lane in which he does just that. It’s his only work that absolutely shattered me and understood me in a way I wasn’t sure I wanted to be understood!

[@ascendednightingale2456]

I’ve watched several of his videos, and always had the idea that he says a lot, while at the same time, says absolutely nothing. So many people are tricked into believing he’s smart because he does this. He beats around the bush, gets distracted, goes off on tangents, and often never gets to the point. He’s heralded as some sort of genius, but there are handfuls of people who are better speakers and who actually can convey their ideas. And when you say this to his followers, they will accuse you of being too dumb to understand what he said.

[@Saphia_]

This. I didn't like him ever but I thought he was well-spoken and well, knew what he was talking about because I was new to philosophy an being a non-native English speaker, I find concepts hard to grasp when they're new to me. Now that I am at least a bit aware of some topics I've heard him talk about, they're all long strings of words that lead nowhere.

[@ascendednightingale2456]

@@Saphia_ He’s definitely not someone you need to listen to if English isn’t your first language. I’m a native English speaker and I can’t follow him. He’s just nothing special, and some of his ideas are plain out wrong. For example, he states that women are chaos and men are order. He uses this to justify patriarchy, despite the fact that we’ve had patriarchy since the beginning of time and have had nothing but absolute anarchy.

[@Saphia_]

@@ascendednightingale2456 Yeah, I stopped listening to him as soon as my brain started to compute what he was actually saying. There are far better youtubers out there who one, are easier to understand because their goal is to teach rather than befuddle and two, have values that align with mine, at least on the important things.

[@PurelyCoincidental]

This is not the point of the video, but I wanted to let you know that I've come to really appreciate Kyra being in your videos. I don't even like dogs very much, but it's really lovely to see you interacting with her, or even commenting on her (like when she's snoring in the background), and how much you care for her. It can be a nice reminder that even when confronted with the ugliness of the world, there's still fun and happiness and love, even if it's something I'm only experiencing tangentially. I really enjoy your videos and the profound thought behind them, but they can be emotionally difficult. Kyra's an emotional support animal for us as well. Thank you. ♥

[@mina_en_suiza]

I do love dogs, and Kyra is a very lovely addition to the videos, indeed. I usually dislike it, when people put clothes on animals, but given the cute colours 🏳‍⚧ both were wearing, I don't say anything.

[@lexicora9316]

Right! I've gotten so attached to Kyra and her sweet snuffles. I didn't know anything about her breed except the stereotypes of them being mean before I started following this channel, but now I've actually started researching and learning about dogs that people fear because I've seen what a sweetheart Kyra is. I also love how Rachel often does fundraisers for the shelter she got Kyra from. It's so lovely.

[@Fosharie1445]

As someone who loved Edward Gorey as a child, I’m so offended. Like that man made some dark, fable like stories that while shocking and scary, were never to mock actual, living children and their pain. Like, I’m so angry I can’t even think. Imagine being a child who went to a therapist, you tell them your trauma and seek help. And then they go out and make some awful poem about how you were brutalised or how hurt you are. I hope to god this is just him being ‘edgy’ because if not he’s seriously sick. And not in a cool skateboarding way

[@scoodler]

Like you, I was a big fan of Edward Gorey from an early age. Peterson's comparison of this work to Gorey's shows just how completely tone deaf he has become.

[@Fosharie1445]

@@scoodler right? It’s like he’s trying desperately to hide his messed up opinions by being like “oh well so-and-so did the same!” When it’s so obviously not the same and is a huge insult to everyone involved. What a mess

[@falconeshield]

Why didn't he get sued tbh

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

As someone who probably needs therapy i dont mind darker humor tbh. It seems like hes trying to attempt a dorothy parker-ish tone with that grimms tale thing you're talking about but yea misses the mark for sure

[@kimberlyaustin7030]

The way puppy looked at you when you said "want a sniff", was soo flipping cute. "No, mom, I dont want to sniff this literal piece of garbage". Haha

[@Aziara86]

There's very few 'good' ways to write about childhood trauma. One is to speak against it, another is to reassure those who suffered it that healing is possible. This book does neither.

[@raydgreenwald7788]

I feel bad for anyone who had thus guy as a psycologist.

[@juneelle370]

Agree… imagine reading his mocking of a trauma you’d shared with him… this book shows his worst pathology. He does have some good points but this book really shows his sickness.

[@raydgreenwald7788]

@@juneelle370 broken clocks amitire?

[@kant.68]

You feel bad for Harvard apparently

[@raydgreenwald7788]

@@kant.68 well that could explain why every Harvard graduate I have ever met is very unhinged

[@TrinityTronos]

It's not just like Jordan Peterson loves suffering the children; it's also the conservative party that he's in, they also don't care about kids are suffering either. so no wonder why that he is contempt with kids, because everybody the conservative movement does have contempt for kids too. If you hear what they say about child abuse and child deaths of it, you'll find it disgusting. Trust me go look it up.

[@warlordofbritannia]

"Think about the children!" What Jordan thinks about the children:

[@tallman2210]

That "poem" about Polly is exactly the sort of word salad I expect from Jordan Peterson.

[@harlowitter3060]

"Word salad" is such a good way to describe this book😄

[@rooboatdeer22yu51]

I'm floored and also not, he thinks in black and white with little show of educating himself. Doesn't recognize nuance. Thinks women wear make up just for men. He basically ignores history of the world and how people naturally react to the world/ life/ society. He's supposed to be a professional but he's exactly the type of person that makes people think there is no hope. I don't judge him negatively but in a grounded way. He's only human and deserves love just like everyone else. I do recognize as an adult who is reading about psychology and has a love for it, he has been putting out ego and hurtfulness, probably because he's hurt himself. Like most of us. My own ego doesn't really want to see him as complex and deserving. I'm grateful that I have the resources to evolve that part of myself. I hate that this man has what he needs to grow but stays rigid and delusional. When or If he breaks out of the delusion and looks at himself, it's going to be disturbing surely. A lot to reflect on. I do not envy him.

[@amani7753]

Beautiful and true comment

[@carlpanzram7081]

He is a successful clinical psychologist that has helped hundreds of people directly in his practice, but hundreds of thousands indirectly through spreading his wisdom and empathetic opinions over the Internet.

[@aralornwolf3140]

Writing poetry is hard. I did write a poem about CSA and my fears while in therapy a long time ago... I barely remember any of the lines... but I did make it fit with a rhyming scheme and equal pentameter... and it was multiple paragraphs of 4 or 6 lines (I can't remember) long. I thought it was horrible... but compared to some of the "poems" you've shown from Peterson's own "book"... Yikes. My poem was better written _and_ more empathetic. Thinking of other poems I wrote over the years... I wrote a poem in English class which was a low-key cry for help... but I got mocked for writing it by the teacher. I deserved that mockery... the poem was crap. Later on, using lessons he tried to teach me, I wrote a poem about my cat, that I _still_ grieve for 18 years later, which was in effect a series of limericks. At least _that_ was consistent as well... wrote my grief into it, my anguish. Point of all of this is... poetry is hard and those who know poetry should be the ones selling poetry books for 30 USD. If I don't have the skills and Peterson's poems are what I saw in middle school... he clearly doesn't have _any_ skill... so you're correct. It's a _shameless_ cash grab by him. He said "I wrote those poems to deal with the emotions I felt when listening to my clients"... then he should have _kept_ them to himself instead of trying to sell them, market them even, as something of a tribute to one of the greatest poets... as poems written for therapeutic reasons are different than poems written with the intent of being shared!

[@irides46]

I don’t think anyone deserves mockery for anything, I’m sorry you went through all that

[@carlpanzram7081]

This is a very reasonable take. This is bad poetry, and that's about it.

[@jamesvalvis1131]

A couple of things here. First, I usually just mock the hell out of the people who comment on these videos because they are written by dopes who don't even know they are dopes commenting on videos by dopes who can't write poetry themselves. The latter is the case there, but the former doesn't seem to be so, and thus I will take your comments seriously. First, who I am. I'm a widely published and often celebrated poet who has placed work in most of the top journals, usually multiple times, places that take 1 in 5000 submissions. My work has appeared in national anthologies edited by Poets Laureate, like Best American Poetry and Poetry 180. I've won numerous cash prizes for my work, including winning poetry contests and being chosen for awards like Rattle's Neil Postman Award. In all, I've published well over 1000 times, including poems, short stories (in many genres), and novels (under a pseudonym.) All of this is pretty easy to verify with a google search, save the novels. I go into that long-winded tripe because it shows I am one of the people "who knows poetry." And you're right. Good verse is difficult. Hell, good *anything* is difficult. Making a good scrambled egg is difficult, let alone something that requires mastery of language and marrying that to thought and emotion. No one should ever be mocked for attempting poetry unless they have started the mocking in the first place, as Rachel has done here, as mostly every poet starts off writing drivel, and even some literary geniuses like Hemingway and Kerouac stumble pretty hard when moving into a different genre like poetry. (Really, read Hem's verse. It's godawful. I say that as a fan otherwise.) I will also say that while I often agree with Dr. P, I am by no means one of his bobbleheads and I don't think much of his verse either. But where you go wrong is two-fold. First, you cannot tell whether or not any particular author is "empathetic," more or less, relative to yourself or anyone else. You can only say that you don't believe he successfully was able to transmit that emotion to the reader. Many a poet has tried to transmit their love for a paramour in verse, only to come up with choppy, trite, and maudlin lines that do not do the quality of the emotion or intention justice. As a widely read and published poet, I would probably see your series of limericks about your dead cat as sentimental, sophomoric, and maybe even unintentionally funny, but that in no way diminishes the real grief you felt and still feel for your cat. Second, I don't see his publishing his verse as anymore shameless than doing so myself. Or Jimmy Stewart publishing his. Or Jewel publishing hers. Or James Franco or Tom Hanks publishing their dreadful short fiction. There are people like myself who write solely with the intention to share with others. There are people who write solely to work out their emotions. And then there are those who do a combination of both. Peterson seems to be this last kind of person. Moreover, he is on record saying that he feels that artists who do not try to monetize their art are copping out, that they are simply failures who refuse to admit it and therefore build up excuses around why they can't cut it in the marketplace. You may agree or disagree with that, and for the record I'm not entirely sure I do, at least not completely, but it's not a shameless cash grab. It's something he thinks is vital to being creatively viable. He thinks those who sit on their creative works are frauds. Of course, it's his fame rather than his competency that is selling his poetry book, inasmuch as he even wants it sold anymore. But it should surprise no one he published the work. He may not even know it's not that good. I've listened to enough of his content to know that while he's very well read he doesn't seem very well read in verse. No quoting Brodsky or Wordsworth or Bukowski. He's much more a Dostoevsky guy. Anyway, gotta run now. And forget about that teacher who mocked your poem. There are idiots everywhere.

[@justaperson9467]

I can’t take a man who portrays women wearing “rouge” and high heels as them trying to seduce male coworkers seriously.

[@BeatriceFlowers]

Imagine only seeing the world from the perspective of a 1940s film Noir character.

[@kant.68]

Yeah because people don’t dress fine to look attractive and portray themselves as well put/rich/part of some urba tribe/look sexy/gain attention/seek validation…nooo, let’s all act and lie to ourselves.

[@carlpanzram7081]

Why else would you wear them? Are they Comfortable? What purpose is in the deviation from usual footwear if not to appear sexy? I mean, if I go around seductively dancing, I could argue a lot of stupid points about how I "only dance for myself", but how likely is that really? "oh I strip and twerk in public for reason that are absolutely not related to how I will APPEAR by stripping and twerking in public"

[@Mandombb]

”DEviAtIOn fROm usUAl fOOtwEAr tO aPpEAr sEXy” ahahahahah even his followers like to vomit words salad. The origin of heels : “The origin of high-heels can be traced back to 15th century Persia when soldiers wore them to help secure their feet in stirrups. Persian migrants brought the shoe trend to Europe, where male aristocrats wore them to appear taller and more formidable.” It’s okay, everything is sexual-coded if you’re sexually repressed enough. Also, who tf wears rouge nowadays??? What happened to mlbb lipstick lol. So so so out of touch with reality.

[@justaperson9467]

@@carlpanzram7081 This is one hell of a reach. For one, there’s a *massive* difference between somebody putting heals on and the twerking example you put out. I can’t speak for all women necessarily, but I sure as hell don’t put any pair of shoes on with the intention of seducing men. I just put them on because they look nice with certain things. If a man thinks that me doing something that basic means I’m trying to seduce them, that’s a matter of ego, not a matter of my intentions.

[@Saphia_]

As someone who has read Brothers Grimm's works many *many* times, comparing this atrocity to their works is an insult to them.

[@AragornElessar]

and they just collected and edited existing stories

[@Saphia_]

@@AragornElessar Yupp.. honestly, it's an insult to many aside from the Brothers Grimm, like the people who created the tales initially and those who passed them down generations orally.

[@Anindeterminateamountofbees]

I think he must’ve been thinking of gris grimly or smthn cuz this is NOTHING like the brothers Grimm

[@Saphia_]

@@Anindeterminateamountofbees Ah, could be.

[@daniela.radcliffe]

I swear to god, he tends to give me such a bad feeling. Maybe I'm biased, but I wouldn't let him close to any child or vulnerable person. I can't believe that he's been regarded as such an important psychologist, when there are so many talented and truly compassionate people out there. He always expresses himself with so much anger and resentment, it seems that those are emotions that have been ruling his life for some time now (regarding this, I like a lot what Gabor Maté has said about JBP, I think he's spot on).

[@superdrwholock]

Not him comparing himself to Neil Gaiman lol, Gaiman is a much better writer and quite frankly a much better human because he has compassion and understanding for others who aren't exactly like him

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

We dont know what writers are like, best not assume too many things about them (imho), but yeah hes leagues above Peterson in his writing.

[@simonefloriane8895]

Wow, I‘m currently working on an iliustrated Abc book! It‘s called „ABC of Fears & Anxieties“… I sure hope it‘ll turn out better than this very strange & unsettling publication!! 😅

[@vintagearisen]

I think, giving Peterson the benefit of the doubt even though I detest the man, that what he was going for was expressing how the victims saw their own trauma. It *could* have been powerful if that had been the clear intent. But the fact that he didn't make the poems complex enough to express that leads to giving the general impression that he sat there with his clients thinking things like, "Well, Janine, obviously you were SA'd because you couldn't get your parents to love you" and "If you were smarter your priest would have left you alone" To go one step further in playing devil's advocate, perhaps there being more female victims than male in the book was influenced by the fact that women are more likely to seek out therapy than men are, so Peterson's source material may have skewed female purely by chance. Either way, it's a horrendous and disgusting book, because it's either finding malicious humor in trauma, or it's too inept to convey anything meaningful about the trauma and instead conveys victim blaming.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

That would make sense. I haven't seen a whole lot of him, but from what I have seen I really don't believe he would be the type to enjoy the suffering of others. But yes, his personal vent poetry (about other people's trauma!) should most certainly never have been published, and I'm sorry to say I can see him lacking the awareness to understand that.

[@ringer1324]

Oh god this book has been burned into my brain the first time I saw jordan mention it in a video. Was waiting for someone to cover it.

[@ouijacorn]

I think Jose also covered it a couple of weeks ago, if you wanted to check out his video as well.

[@philodonoghue3062]

Before or after YOU have read it.

[@DeaDiabola]

I always interpreted the handcar as a metaphor for the path one travels in their life. You don't really know where you're headed, even when you think you do- and a cast of characters and your impact on them awaits you as an unavoidable part of the human experience, and one's personal journey. A journey full of hope, horror, sadness, love. Incomprehensible elation, and despair. That is why I always saw the ending with the tunnel as the deaths of the main characters- their story is done, their last act traveling into a black tunnel of which the contents within are unknowable, and there is no escaping and turning back. It's just where handcars all eventually go, so to speak. I would write a more detailed comment but I'm tired lol

[@Itri_Vega]

I think he pretty much answered the why question in that snippet you showed of him talking. He basically says it's his vent book from when he worked with heavily traumatised clients. In other words, this glee and sadism is what he needed an outlet for. Now, don't get me wrong, working with people can be tedious and frustrating and if your job consists of staring into other people's abysses all day then that's gonna take its toll on you. But if people entrust you with their trauma and you feel glee then you are not the right person to be in this powerful position in their lives. I say this as someone with C PTSD who used to draw very violent, edgy vent comics back in school when I was bullied, and who still occasionally enjoys drawing body horror and cosmic horror stuff to deal with flashback induced nightmares. The difference was that I was a repressed queer and trans kid with undiagnosed neurodivergence and all the anger and confusion that comes with undergoing puberty, and one that went in the wrong direction. This is a grown man with a degree in psychology who worked with actual people. He should have never gotten this far.

[@DuetJay]

"Complex vocab just for the sake of wanting to sound smart instead of using the appropriate word" You've just described his brand. That's what he is. That's ALL he is.

[@chebghobbi]

I once read somewhere (might have been Nathan Robinson's article in Current Affairs) that Peterson is the sort of person who will never say 'know' when he can instead say 'be cognizant of'.

[@UnraveledAnarchy]

I laughed so hard at the jam and the "go away child" part that my service dog (who I just got, yay!!) came over to check if I was okay because she's never heard me laugh that much. She then demanded pets and attention.

[@kelbinatorYT]

This book is a perfect window into Jordan's mind, and I hope people can use this book to understand what and who he actually is: a narcissist who joys in the suffering of others

[@dinosaysrawr]

...and imagines himself as their superior, long-suffering savior-sage. I think if you invited the average *well-adjusted,* well-trained, competent therapist to write something to "blow off steam" from their work, it would look absolutely nothing like this tome of smug sadism. You might get a screwball parody of entitled clients or stuffy colleagues, a dark Coen-Brothers-esque comedy about characters never being able to catch a break, or a book of poems about toxic, terrible, and abusive people dying in karmically-fitting ways, but not this!

[@kelbinatorYT]

@@dinosaysrawr my thoughts exactly. An actual professional would write a funny account of their day to day life on the job with lots of fascinating anecdotes.

[@dinosaysrawr]

@@kelbinatorYT , ...and presumably, they would get their clients' permission before sharing those anecdotes, or render their clients nigh-impossible to identify from the anecdotes, and would tell those stories in a way that would convey profound compassion and understanding for them.

[@Keznen]

Co-morbid narcissism and sadism breeds a disgusting result indeed.

[@biseragjurovska1998]

I knew this book was right up Rachel's alley, I was really looking forward to seeing her critique of it and I wasn't disappointed!

[@princessinmittens4783]

Kyra is absolutely lovely. She is everything a dog should be. I love your hoodies as well it's a lovely addition. Also Jordan Peterson is the worst thing that could have came from Canada. It's people like him that make my beautiful country look bad.

[@ascendednightingale2456]

He doesn’t make your country look bad. He’s just one bad person coming out of Canada. He doesn’t represent everyone there. Canada is still a lovely place. ❤

[@EclecticallyEccentric]

On the plus side, in other fantasy worlds you guys have both Deadpool and Wolverine.

[@princessinmittens4783]

@@ascendednightingale2456 thank you

[@princessinmittens4783]

@@EclecticallyEccentric hey you're right! You are awesome! Thank you!

[@Keznen]

@Lorelei Plus Avril Lavigne in the ordinary world. She's cool.

[@DeaDiabola]

This is like Edward Gorey if he was a creep with no talent

[@kbennett2587]

This is for comedy and dark? He admitted that he was inspired after hearing cases. So he made an angry and shaming poem to his cases. Then, hid behind the veil of being dark and goth. This is not only disgusting but also highly unethical. If this does not show his true veiw point on his patients, then I don't know what will. It seems like he got his degree just to bully people. I never thought I ever would say this. But I think even Dr. Hannibal Lector would have more compassion than this Doc.

[@cityman2312]

Hey Rachel, would you consider reviewing Hilaire Belloc's Cautionary Tales? It actually succeeds in grimdark humour aimed at kids.

[@yanderefreud3698]

Dude I feel so fucking bad for the kids that went to him for therapy just for their trauma to be exploited and used as a punchline in a shitty excuse of a poem. My heart truly goes out to all his patients bc he's probably the worst thing that ever happened to them

[@timy.9512]

Peterson's the kind of villain that genuinely believes he's doing the right thing for those he cares about. Which actually makes him even more terrifying than Tate.

[@carlpanzram7081]

Tate? Andrew tate? How are they at all related? One is a established clinical psychologist and scholar, the other is a kick boxing social media influencer.

[@Aisatsana1971]

@@carlpanzram7081 similar audience.

[@carlpanzram7081]

@@Aisatsana1971 Which would be? I really don't see it. Jordan Peterson deconstructs biblical stories from a jungian perspective, in multiple hour long presentations. I mean, he taught psychology courses in university. I don't think that is tates audience.

[@Aisatsana1971]

@@carlpanzram7081 anti trans, anti progressivism, pro religion, pro masculinity, anti education, anti wokism etc.

[@carlpanzram7081]

@@Aisatsana1971 JP is not anti trans, he has a differentiated opinion that is to be expected from a psychologist. I guess he has said some things that some people would falsely label "transphobic". Anti-education is a ridiculous label, and definetly not accurate for JP. I mean, read my Comment again. Pro-religion is litteraly the majority of the human species. Pro masculinity is also the majority of the species, since men litteraly are masculine on average by definition, and woman are attracted to masculinity on average by necessity. Anti-woke and anti-progressivism is a fair assessment, but again, the majority of the human species. These cultural movements are really a loud minority, it's almost exclusively contained to certain online spaces and western universities. I guess in the context of western culture, they both speak to a certain crowd, but that crowd is pretty much most people.

[@qwandary]

Could you provide text for what you say when your dog is in earshot? I have misophonia and a spit phobia, and licking and her noises make me really stressed out. It looks like I'm missing a lot of content waiting for her to be off-screen...

[@jeffengel2607]

Closed captions are available if you are able to tolerate watching to read them then - you could at least go without the audio for those portions or the whole for security. (I don't know if the visuals are intolerable for you there.)

[@qwandary]

​@@jeffengel2607 Yeah I tried themf or a while. Visuals can be a bit upsetting because of the spit phobia but for the most part it was just the noises. I think transcripts available for download and a timestamp to indicate when we could come back would be great. It might also be helpful for people with hearing issues who might find it harder to distinguish the noises. If she uses auto-caption, they're usually not very good and can be non-sense, so I sometimes turn them off if they're rubbish and confusing.

[@Scatscar1985]

"The Nightmare Before Christmas" If he wants comparison to Tim Burton-adjacent works, Tiim Burton in his current joyless form seems to be more apt.

[@alexradjenovic]

True. Though the difference is at least Tim Burton was once great. JBP never was, and never will be.

[@lucysteigerwald5108]

Possibly the problem is that Peterson has never demonstrated a slip of a sense of humor. Not to mention, the cartoons are a huge part of the appeal of Gorey. They're so wonderful, and this poetry book appears to be both generic and off-putting. At least we can tell that this is Peterson's work.

[@feralperil]

Gorey would be so upset to hear that Peterson compared himself to him :c

[@OtseisRagnarok]

Peterson's poetry kinda reminds me of Doug Walker's philosophy of comedy about how it requires someone being hurt, and that extrapolation to "people being hurt = comedy" philosophy he carries in his work.

[@pde8444]

I honestly don’t think anything about rape could be funny no matter who wrote it or how absurd it is

[@dangerxbadger2300]

This was pretty much exactly what I expected from Jordan Peterson: Sadistic, misogynistic, just him laughing about pain and abuse because he has a very nihilistic worldview and serious mommy issues. Such a disgusting man, who wrote an equally disgusting book. You're a far better woman than I for getting through that mess. ❤️

[@stefanforrer2573]

interestingly enough, i see myself as having a nihilistic world view and being an absolute misanthrope, i always expect the worst imaginable when it comes to human behaviour..... but instead of agreeing with peterson's sentiments, i'm disgusted by his work aswell as the amount of "fans" he has and feel confirmed in my belief that humanity is completely unable of bettering itself... just when you think people can't sink any lower, a wild peterson appears spouting "poetry"

[@dangerxbadger2300]

@@stefanforrer2573 Yes, strangely, a lot of the nihilists I've met are actually really gentle, kind people who aren't hateful as much as they are.. melancholically disappointed and reluctantly resigned? lol they just don't necessarily vibe with the more pervasive and negative tenets of human nature that seem to be mor and more synonymous and ubiquitous in Western society. So maybe I should choose a different word going forward to describe people of that ilk bc nihilists don't deserve to be lumped in with that trash. ❤️

[@GlitterGarbageStudio]

How dare he compare his work to Neil Gaiman's though. This feels insulting

[@Anindeterminateamountofbees]

Fr. I love Neil gaiman and he would NEVER

[@enraegen561]

Peterson said he wrote this to "blow off steam" when he practiced, not with the intention of publishing it one day. I suppose his celebrity status made it sellable. It may be quite literally just what happened to his patients, and maybe he thought that makes it meaningful? My dad (psych) had a similar thing that he just ducking had to talk about the abuse that happened to some kids he worked with I always hated it but was kind of fascinated too. Psychs rly need an outlet... Just usually they don't publish it.

[@the_antiquark]

Peterson's writings also endorse corporal punishment for children, even though numerous studies indicate physical punishment increases the risk of broad and negative developmental outcomes. How did he manage to obtain a clinical license?

[@alo-hq3]

The problem is that he's super confident with his beliefs😩

[@Yatukih_001]

I am always trying to disprove my beliefs in search of a delusion of grandeur which can be exposed and then discussed with those interested to find a replacement idea which works better and is less delusional.

[@ouijacorn]

Edward Gorey is such an icon and personal hero of mine, I have to think he would be amused by Peterson trying and failing to imitate him. I have to because otherwise it's so insulting.

[@RosesandVoids]

The edgy “poems” I wrote in middle school have more wit than these

[@Yatukih_001]

Keep them. See if you can write more because they could become a treasure. Remember Kolmogorov? He was always squibbling something and nobody cared about what he was doing and he was all ok with it, if I remember right. Then he overviewed them and went on squibbling or writing things on paper which seemed not to make sense to anyone at the time. And then he went further - he wrote this in his notes to create his own complexity theory, which he would then use to become one of the founders of modern computing.

[@tmountain1]

I'm gonna stick with The Gashleycrumb Tinies, thanks Jordan. If you want a poetry book by a RESPECTED brain scientist, R.D. Liang's book "Knots" goes as deep as a person is willing and able to go.

[@Gilberto90]

Calling RD Liang 'respected' and a 'brain scientist' is a great joke!

[@stellar_nathy6679]

I'm not surprised by him victim blaming and being terrible at poetry. Suddenly, I have confidence in my poetry!

[@RachelOates]

A couple of people asked where my own book is available so here's a complete list of links to all the places Amazon is enabling me to sell it so far! I think some of them also post internationally so if your country isn't mentioned here it might be worth looking at that option if you'd like? :) Australia: www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Canada: www.amazon.ca/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 France: www.amazon.fr/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Germany: www.amazon.de/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Italy: www.amazon.it/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Japan: www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Netherlands: www.amazon.nl/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Poland: www.amazon.pl/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Spain: www.amazon.es/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 Sweden: www.amazon.se/dp/B0BMSVRCY1 UK: amzn.to/3SWsN8S USA: amzn.to/3mu0wtX

[@TheJacklikesvideos]

your entire personality is having a problem with things. i'm glad to see that you're actually a published authority on how to write poems about trauma the *right* way. /s

[@zabawarozrywka1685]

stop abusing your dog.

[@paulwoodford1984]

you need thicker skin. it’s a good read

[@RachelOates]

Jordan Peterson fans are the actual worst. You're all very bizarre.

[@brianbuch1]

There are poets and there are poetasters. Both I and Dr. P are the latter, but I have the self-respect not to impose it on others. As with many prominent peoople, Dr. P could force his publisher not to engage an editor and it shows.

[@mikelpelaez]

I know it isn't that related to the video, but I saw you had "the unbearable lightness of being" between your favorite books on Goodreads, and I only want to say it would be great to hear your thoughts about the classic Kundera novel.

[@oneof134]

I read many comments saying to please have the dog on more.. PLEASE DON'T I had to skip the part of the poor dog struggling to breathe like that.. horrible

[@GrannyReplica]

Love your collection of poems. And your poetry-content. I'm not sure yet how to process this particular author and book. It's weird how many artists choose shock-value as the vehicle for their "art", yet never even think to give it a purpose, a direction. Then, like, what's the point of it?

[@AtticusHimself]

I clicked on this video very reluctantly (Jordan Peterson and poetry...shivers) with the tiny sliver of hope I'd get some good book recommendations and 🙏thankfully was not disappointed 🤗Thanks, Rachel with ☮and ♥

[@johnmcclure40]

This book sounds like one very long version of one of those guys who defends terrible behavior by saying, "I was just joking. can't you take a joke?"

[@PogieJoe]

I shouldn't be surprised at this point at Peterson's inhumanity, but here we are.

[@jeffengel2607]

I take a certain satisfaction, in my own case when I have that surprise, that my default estimate of another person's humanity just cannot reset low enough to take in fresh evidence from JBP or the like without more shock and dismay all over again.

[@bbycherub2420]

Kyra is so cute and sweet, Staffys are such gentle dogs. I miss my old Staffy Blue everyday. Her noise at 2:54 was great lol

[@saintdude6032]

This book is terrible, but at least we get to see your adorable dog❤️💛 like anytime we see her on screen It looks like she has a big smile on her face

[@LilySaintSin]

Neil Gaiman would be horrified! 😭😭😭

[@atashgallagher5139]

Polly had a pretty dolly That she pushed inside a trolley A strange intruder pinched her dolly And used it to ensure her folly That took me literally four seconds and I friggin hate poetry.

[@RosseRue]

I'm so relieved to discover I'm not the only person who despises this man

[@kathrinjohnson2582]

Maybe JP thought to him self " If they're going to pull my license I'll give them a dam good reason. Let me make a book mocking child abuse and the English language. That will show them." Honesty though I don't think he is as recovered from his illness as he thinks. This book sounds like someone not all there wrote it.

[@edvh88]

How sickening that these “poems” are based on actual patients of his and that he laughs about it, “you might enjoy these” oh yeah I love poems about child abuse!

[@haydentcem]

It felt weird when you brought up “slutshaming” before the actual victimblaming present in the first poem

[@Quile99]

It saddens me so so much that people like Jordan Peterson and Dr Phil are the most well-known psychologists in the mainstream media nowdays. I'm a soon-to-be psychologist and all of my colleagues, professors and peers are the most compassionate, caring, science-, and equality-oriented people I've ever met. Just know that Peterson and dr Phil directly violate the psychologists' code of ethics and we are not all like them

[@jonjameson2629]

Hi Rachel, off-topic question: Have you ever read Ode by Arthur O'Shaughnessy? If so, what do you think of it?

[@chelseapoet3664]

I was interested in this review but all the noise coming out of the dog made it pretty intolerable after 3 minutes. We get that you love your dog but it really detracts from your message.

[@Banuna]

0:00 do *not* apologize for the adorable potato grumbles, they enhance the quality of your videos ten fold!!

[@AxiomofDiscord]

I do wonder what you might think of my poetry if I ever decide to publish I have been thinking about it. It is generally dark but I would call it optimistic cosmicism. Like optismistic nihilism with some extra mythological symbolism and "woo".

[@pelo_chiclede_fresa7238]

Have you read Tim Burton's "the melancholic death of oyster boy"? Is kinda the same theme... I wonder if this guy has used it as inspiration as well.

[@sadem1045]

Jordan Peterson is honestly nothing like Edward Gorey. Gorey's message was, "Life is a god**** nightmare." Peterson's book just laughs at children who are suffering. Also, while Gorey felt uncomfortable around kids, Peterson has 2 of them. Peterson has children.........Jesus H.

[@AlisaM-L]

Не смогла досмотреть видео из-за звуков, которые издаёт собака. Я очень извиняюсь, может это из-за того, что у меня гиперчувствительность к таким звукам. Но тем не менее это странно делать видео с собакой в кадре, особенно если она издаёт различные звуки.

[@edvh88]

That was horrifying. Thank you for wading through that dreck for us, Rachel. No clue how it got published.

[@georgepantzikis7988]

I completely agree with your criticism regarding Peterson's ignorance of poetic form, however making an ethical critique of these poems - or of any art for that matter - is not a valid form of literary criticism as a work of art is not subject to ethical considerations, nor are attempts at unveiling the author's personal viewpoint through the art they produce justified since they critique the person and not the work. The irreverent tone and nursery-rhyme-esque rhyming scheme were actually the only two things I thought were effective. Rather than trivialising the subject matter, which is how I think you interpret it, Peterson presents these dark events as real, commonplace, and, unfortunately, ordinary. Tragedy is an inherent part of human existence. That's the message behind these poems I think. That said, he simply repeats that theme like a tired refrain, never expands on it, or changes perspective. All of these poems could have been one poem and it wouldn't make any difference.

[@roxyboxie1016]

At least he's pretending to branch out into the arts instead of just the intellects. That's shows a sign of possible growth. Let's be positive-ish???

[@roxyboxie1016]

I haven't read this nor have I listened to the video.

[@charmingnarcisse]

yeeeeaaaaahh i dont know if we can expect too much from him

[@jameshamill4709]

I love your dog. Please just keep her in all your videos even if just in the background. She looks like she's having a great time!