JORDAN PETERSON VS MATT DILLAHUNTY for the FIRST TIME EVER! Does God Exist?

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@Pangburn
@Pangburn 8 ай бұрын
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@True_Heretic
@True_Heretic 8 ай бұрын
Dinesh D'Souza is a professional liar and traitor. He's arguably the worst (Far Right) propagandist in the USA.
@zachlawrence9875
@zachlawrence9875 6 ай бұрын
JP is a master of never actually committing to an answer or making a single conclusion
@andrice42
@andrice42 4 ай бұрын
It's a collectivist trap! 😂
@tomaszcodasz
@tomaszcodasz 3 ай бұрын
Master of word salads without any meaning or wisdom.
@aniobimartinez
@aniobimartinez 3 ай бұрын
It takes wisdom to recognise wisdom.​@@tomaszcodasz
@JR-lw3ms
@JR-lw3ms 3 ай бұрын
@@aniobimartinez exactly! And we see NO wisdom in JP, just a lot of self-obsessed grandiosity!
@yungizzo1
@yungizzo1 Ай бұрын
He only mastered the act of morons still finding time to listen to his garbage. On that note. I came, I spoke, now I must leave.
@danielsmith1202
@danielsmith1202 6 ай бұрын
I’m thoroughly convinced JP is physically incapable of just directly answering a question 😂
@justinschrank4806
@justinschrank4806 6 ай бұрын
Well that depends how you define answer
@yohan.sea11x
@yohan.sea11x 5 ай бұрын
@@justinschrank4806 well, that depends on how you define define
@heathbiggsu9547
@heathbiggsu9547 5 ай бұрын
@@justinschrank4806 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@JR-lw3ms
@JR-lw3ms 3 ай бұрын
@@yohan.sea11x I m also unsure of your definition of "you" LOL
@Walkerxy
@Walkerxy 2 ай бұрын
It’s his anaphylactic allergy
@derekk2732
@derekk2732 7 ай бұрын
Whoever edited this audio needs to back off the silence removal between speaking
@HighDesertOffgrid
@HighDesertOffgrid 6 ай бұрын
It's called a noise gate. Delay and compression also play a factor.
@derekk2732
@derekk2732 6 ай бұрын
@@HighDesertOffgrid personally I don’t mind the crowd noise between, sounds broken and unnatural
@nathantowns1999
@nathantowns1999 6 ай бұрын
@@HighDesertOffgrid A noise gate is an inverted compressor and delay doesn't really play a factor in this, unless by delay you mean something different than the vast majority of audio engineers mean
@RS-zp6hb
@RS-zp6hb 6 ай бұрын
dude i just spent 15 mins trying to turn whatever bullshit setting on my phone off that was doing it. i feel stupid now
@ronaldcatullus
@ronaldcatullus 3 ай бұрын
@@nathantowns1999delays, broadly, imitate sound echoing off of surfaces from various distances. There is an echo in the room, which sort of does give the delay effect. Categorical boundaries are often more blurry than we think, though useful nonetheless
@Lee-vp8vs
@Lee-vp8vs 7 ай бұрын
When Jordan Peterson realises he isn't the smartest guy in the room: 1. So we need to agree the concept, etymology, and contextual meaning of *every*single*word*in*every *sentence* 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I have come to the conclusion I am correct. 3. In my years of practice... (regardless of the subject being discussed actually relating to his field of expertise) 4. Here's a 10 minute monologue about Dostoyevsky that has no correlation to this discussion but I think sounds impressive as fuck.
@Culturecrack
@Culturecrack 7 ай бұрын
😂
@kristopherjon6496
@kristopherjon6496 7 ай бұрын
This is not the most steel of men, but it isn’t bad.
@TR13400
@TR13400 7 ай бұрын
Yea man who defines words and uses words by their definition.
@ryanhoffman5477
@ryanhoffman5477 7 ай бұрын
What is a woman! Matt: word salad! Basically! Matt likes a hotdog in his chocolate pocket!
@Lee-vp8vs
@Lee-vp8vs 7 ай бұрын
@TR13400 I'm assuming you haven't seen the clip where JP tries to get into the sentence 'do you believe in god' by asking 'What do you mean by do' 'What do you mean mean by you' 'What do you mean by believe' 'What do you mean by in' 'What do you mean by God' Trying to find the meaning in 60% of a 5 word sentence when that 60% are very small common use words that are generally understood even by an average kindergartener is pretty ridiculous.
@davidplantillas261
@davidplantillas261 7 ай бұрын
I stopped smoking 11 years ago after smoking for 16 years. Mainly because it was an expensive habit.
@heavyequipment1930
@heavyequipment1930 Ай бұрын
Hey did you know you can reliably induce smoking cessation with psychedelic induced mystical experiences?
@GregoryShtevensh
@GregoryShtevensh 26 күн бұрын
I quit weed and cigarettes after doing them for both for over 20 years and lasted for a year but I gained 20 kilos and literally had a lot of hormonal problems and actually took smoking back up and balanced myself back out so I don't know it's a tough one. I don't know about how to fix your hormones and stuff but for me stopping those two substances together abruptly really affected me.
@SkeptiCol_Vet
@SkeptiCol_Vet 7 ай бұрын
"Well, if you think about the celestial beings of dogmatic and pragmatic conjunctions, it all boils down to metagenetics surrounding the acquisitions of the supercalifragilisticexpialidocious nature of existence." Uh okay.... Thanks, Mr. Peterson....
@BlueTruthSpeaker
@BlueTruthSpeaker 7 ай бұрын
"Uhh I I'm just not convinced. and I'm so enlightened for not ever taking a position on anything or adding any value to any discussion ever" -Matt in every discussion ever.
@theQuestion626
@theQuestion626 7 ай бұрын
@@BlueTruthSpeaker it’s not what I think happened here. Because guess what? Peterson didn’t prove his arguments. But he made more of an effort to not prove his arguments then the opposite.
@arturo9079
@arturo9079 2 ай бұрын
Excellent parody ! Next time include two of JP's favorites: "nested" and "substrata"
@TavianMusic
@TavianMusic 7 ай бұрын
I thought the video froze
@marcelkuiper5474
@marcelkuiper5474 6 ай бұрын
My brain froze
@craigregister3780
@craigregister3780 6 ай бұрын
JP sure said some words. He word salad'd the shit out of this debate. He said a whole lot of nothing, absolute jibberish.
@arctictruck10
@arctictruck10 8 ай бұрын
Why can't people just say I don't know
@tetashome
@tetashome 8 ай бұрын
ego/fear
@blupandax7902
@blupandax7902 8 ай бұрын
If religious people say they do know certain things, atheists will say “you aren’t allowed to say you don’t know, if you believe in all-powerful God you should know all of the answers.” But apparently atheists are allowed to say they don’t know?
@tetashome
@tetashome 8 ай бұрын
@@blupandax7902 If a religious person told me they don't know a certain thing, that is definitely something that i would not even conceive of asking. It seems like you've just made a strawman there.
@blupandax7902
@blupandax7902 8 ай бұрын
@@tetashome It’s not a strawman, I have actually come across an atheist who asked me that same thing.
@fenrirhere
@fenrirhere 8 ай бұрын
@@blupandax7902 the reasonable person aims for justified true belief. If you believe in a proposition for which you don't have valid evidence, that's irrational. If you don't have valid evidence to believe in the claim, then you should refer to the default position, non belief, until the burden of proof for the proposition is met. An atheist gets to say I don't know because they aren't making a truth claim.
@martimpocinho5113
@martimpocinho5113 6 ай бұрын
I really don't understand how someone expects to be taken seriously when he is wasting time with questions like "why is chopping your head off bad for your wellbeing..."
@Freshprankstv1
@Freshprankstv1 6 ай бұрын
lol u gotta consider everything my guy
@Pray-g6m
@Pray-g6m 4 ай бұрын
​@@Freshprankstv1Exactly what if your sick with a plague that kills you very painfully and slowly
@heavyequipment1930
@heavyequipment1930 Ай бұрын
I don’t understand how someone can be taken seriously when trying to replace God in the metaphysical and morality and says “well lets just do what makes us feel well”
@supremeakuma
@supremeakuma 4 ай бұрын
Peterson is LITERALLY the personification of WORD SALAD.
@heavyequipment1930
@heavyequipment1930 Ай бұрын
Timestamp?
@Will-fr9hg
@Will-fr9hg 3 күн бұрын
He does it particularly when it comes to the topic of religion. Perhaps because he’s scared of having his world view being totally destroyed cuz he’s based so much of his understanding off of it.
@MrRudyss1010
@MrRudyss1010 4 ай бұрын
JP uses expensive words to show how "smart" he is but when you dissect his mumbo jumbo he avoids questions and says nothing. JP is fits the definition of a charlatan.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@rodramzy9100
@rodramzy9100 3 ай бұрын
Jordan Peterson is desperately trying to give credibility to religion at all costs. Kudos to Matt....
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 13 күн бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@drummingtildeath
@drummingtildeath 4 ай бұрын
A friend recently said to me "do you know Jordan Peterson? He seems like someone you'd be into". I have never been so disappointed.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@deanmaynard8256
@deanmaynard8256 7 ай бұрын
Peterson is sophism personified. Strangely but not surprisingly, he lacks the self-awareness to realise this,
@RoddyFuhr
@RoddyFuhr 7 ай бұрын
He's being deceptive without realizing that he's being deceptive?
@Eyelash85
@Eyelash85 6 ай бұрын
Lol. You thinking you are better than Peterson kills me.
@sunflare8798
@sunflare8798 6 ай бұрын
@@Eyelash85 it doesn't take much tbh
@vijant1395
@vijant1395 6 ай бұрын
Peterson has made a career using verbosity and sophistry to hoodwink people he’s talking intelligently…you can almost see his brain searching for the longest most intelligent sounding words to fit into a sentence in an attempt to make him appear superior and correct on everything he says.
@RoddyFuhr
@RoddyFuhr 6 ай бұрын
@@vijant1395 No doubt, you have the same IQ as Sam Harris.
@HikingUtah
@HikingUtah 5 ай бұрын
Peterson is smart enough to know he sounds like a fool going on about a supernatural sky daddy, so he obfuscates and dodges the question about whether there's a God.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@MobBarley00
@MobBarley00 8 ай бұрын
MD: is there a god? JP: Metaphorical substrate, hierarchies, post modern, blah blah blah
@johnmoonitz2968
@johnmoonitz2968 8 ай бұрын
How to say "I don't understand what he said." without actually saying "I don't understand what he said." Jordan Peterson is clear in his language. I don't agree with everything he says, but this is also a rather brief conversation, and I have no doubt that, given the time, both of these men would be able to better explain what it is they are saying . . . even to the satisfaction of those who have a tough time grasping such concepts. If, however, all you are doing is playing the part of a mindless contrarian, then there will be no convincing you of anything other than what you want to believe to be true.
@MobBarley00
@MobBarley00 8 ай бұрын
@@johnmoonitz2968 since you ask,I’ve a PhD in medicine. I’ve no problem understanding that JP uses sesquipedalian speech to obfuscate. Unlike JP I find it easier to simply call it a bunch of nonsense. The reason he is popular is that people like you are distracted by his big words and miss the core of what he is saying, which to be fair is not very much.
@davidevans1723
@davidevans1723 8 ай бұрын
⁠those big werdz and PhD do not mean you understand jp's points conceptually...however I definitely agree with you on the sentiment that he tends to be verbose and exaggerate intensity
@brockwhite8699
@brockwhite8699 8 ай бұрын
​@@davidevans1723 You're stuck in the metaphorical substrate my brother.
@sassyrobin420
@sassyrobin420 8 ай бұрын
@@MobBarley00 From your name, I’d guess you graduated from Lucifer High, and he is the Father of Lies…
@jakehurley197
@jakehurley197 7 ай бұрын
Question #1 made me spit my drink out. Best possible way to get him to actually start to answer the question we've all been asking him for years.
@ryanhoffman5477
@ryanhoffman5477 7 ай бұрын
Ask Matt what is a woman? There's a word salad that makes no comprehension! 😂
@lifeofacraig9899
@lifeofacraig9899 7 ай бұрын
This was 2018
@Chris_Serrani
@Chris_Serrani 6 ай бұрын
@@ryanhoffman5477 aweee are you coping?
@ryanhoffman5477
@ryanhoffman5477 6 ай бұрын
@@Chris_Serrani Are you a child?
@Chris_Serrani
@Chris_Serrani 6 ай бұрын
@@ryanhoffman5477 No Why? You looking for someone with your level of intelligence to interact with?
@judycain2867
@judycain2867 4 ай бұрын
Smoking cessation, therefore God. This person is not a scientist. He is merely a word salad practitioner.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@JR-lw3ms
@JR-lw3ms 3 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 NO!
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
WHY BELIEVE JESUS AND THE BIBLE For every action good or bad there is a consequence. When you sin (break God’s laws) you earn the death sentence which will last forever (Because it is against an eternal God). But justice can be done if someone pays your fine. You cannot pay your fine because the fine is eternal and you need to be perfect. @@JR-lw3ms
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
@@JR-lw3ms This is coming from a good place, my love for you are drops in the ocean compared to God’s love for you. Jesus loves you and wants to save you from hell so love Him back.
@huskypup3489
@huskypup3489 8 ай бұрын
I love Jordan Peterson, but it’s painful to listen to him dance around the issue of whether he believes in the supernatural. Biblical stories and hallucinogenic experiences aren’t evidence of the supernatural.
@marcozegikniet9301
@marcozegikniet9301 7 ай бұрын
Why would you love a corporate propaganda shill !
@LeoWhalen1933
@LeoWhalen1933 7 ай бұрын
Why do you love him?
@huskypup3489
@huskypup3489 7 ай бұрын
@@LeoWhalen1933 Because he's one of the premier voices speaking up about the excesses of the radical Left.
@ajeeh1027
@ajeeh1027 7 ай бұрын
​@@huskypup3489 Here we go
@happyrascal1009
@happyrascal1009 7 ай бұрын
​@@huskypup3489nothing left on them. Radical woke?
@thearch1tect249
@thearch1tect249 7 ай бұрын
What amazes me about Peterson is that he says so much and yet says nothing all at the same time! Truly astounding!-- William Ockham says that if you have two competing ideas to explain the same phenomenon, you should prefer the simpler one.--
@DemePoole
@DemePoole 7 ай бұрын
Yes! He is a time waster! Intellectual dishonesty at its finest!
@glenalguire6960
@glenalguire6960 7 ай бұрын
I don’t think you have the ability to understand what he’s saying
@glenalguire6960
@glenalguire6960 7 ай бұрын
@@DemePooledon’t listen to him then , he’s one of the most popular speakers there has ever been , why would so many people attend his lectures ? I guess his fans are just idiots
@thearch1tect249
@thearch1tect249 7 ай бұрын
@@glenalguire6960 Oh I understand alright. But I'll let you insult regardless!
@DemePoole
@DemePoole 7 ай бұрын
@@glenalguire6960 The man is dishonest and a time waster. Also, it's a debate. How can I not listen to the guy? And just because someone is popular doesn't mean anything they have to say is worth something. Hell, Hitler was popular. And, yes. His fans are morons. Have a good day, kid.
@chrisellis4400
@chrisellis4400 8 ай бұрын
I'm 2 minutes in and I can't fucking do it. JP is talking gibberish.
@calebrafus7493
@calebrafus7493 6 ай бұрын
Hes not talking gibberish wtf?
@robinfarina2966
@robinfarina2966 6 ай бұрын
Absolute word salad in a Mickey Mouse voice.
@ruecianbeoulve7770
@ruecianbeoulve7770 6 ай бұрын
@@calebrafus7493 Correct, it's more akin to gobbledygook. JPs words don't mean "nothing" but you do have to dig in real hard to ascertain wtf he's talking about, and most of it amounts to nothing in comparison to the time he takes to express it. If brevity is the soul of wit, JP is both highly intelligent, and completely witless. @chrisellis4400 Here's a translation of everything JP took probably about 45 minutes to say: Feelings exist irrespective of rational moral decisions, therefore god must have intrinsically written them into the universe, otherwise you wouldn't feel bad for doing something sensibly good, but still emotionally undesirable. He also manages to avoid ever saying whether or not he's actually convinced the referenced god is real in the colloquial sense (I don't think he is convinced, and I think avoiding admitting that out loud is an emotional defense mechanism for him, but that's based on his answers from more than just this discussion) but JP still admits through expression he'd very much like to believe god is real, and part of why he won't address this is because he has been told he can't define his god by his god, so attempting to define him will inevitably be fruitless.
@SiRushBass
@SiRushBass 6 ай бұрын
He spouts logorrheic sesquipedalianism, and befuddles the unwitting listener, and under that cover dodges the questions. It's frustrating as hell to watch such a great mind, that I used to respect, degenerate in this way.
@boxingstar7749
@boxingstar7749 6 ай бұрын
You mean it went over your little peahed?
@witebatman
@witebatman 6 ай бұрын
and ever since JP has been running scared from Matt
@LeoWhalen1933
@LeoWhalen1933 7 ай бұрын
As a dignified Jordan Peterson sycophant, I must say the narrative form of the situational construct implies a metaphorical substrate, which inevitably informs the pathos of the question. So therefore, you agree with the specified Jordan Peterson verbal discharge whether or not your thoughts gravitate towards a conditional agreement of the other mentioned arguments.
@troyboldon1
@troyboldon1 6 ай бұрын
He actually says something. You did not.
@RobbyBrookss
@RobbyBrookss 6 ай бұрын
@@troyboldon1 As George Orwell said, never use many words in a case where few will suffice. Or something like that
@markdouglas1601
@markdouglas1601 7 ай бұрын
People with schizophrenia also report supernatural experiences
@theQuestion626
@theQuestion626 7 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly Jordan Peterson was once diagnosed schizophrenic. I don’t know if he has schizophrenia but I do believe him to be incredibly mentally unwell. Listen to him speak and read his written works and it’s a lot of stream of consciousness Gish Gallup. Have you ever seen a person who was under the influence of narcotics or very drunk? Many of them talk the way Peterson does. Except the difference between them and him is that they slurred or words. Have you ever seen a person in the middle of a delusional episode? They talk like Peterson does up to and including the ridiculous hand gestures and the theatrical tone and syntax.
@markdouglas1601
@markdouglas1601 7 ай бұрын
@@theQuestion626 iirc, Mikhaila or he mentioned how doctors “incorrectly” (their words) diagnosed him with schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is no joke, though. I think if he had that we would know. You also don’t get schizophrenia at his age. Maybe drug induced psychosis? He was having by his accounts, having withdrawals from inexplicably cold-turkey quitting benzodiazepine medication, which is extremely dangerous and can/likely will kill you.
@theQuestion626
@theQuestion626 7 ай бұрын
@@markdouglas1601 I don’t really trust her either. I think she is riding his coattails, because he still has millions of fans and still makes a lot of money even though we had to run to the daily wire. Schizophrenia can present itself later in life motion especially if it’s been untreated. But as I say I think he’s always been mentally unwell. I remember watching his lectures and reading his books, even maps of meaning and I thought to myself that it was the rambling dribble of a man whom clearly is not in control of his faculties. And what is weird is that he seems to be highly resistant to getting treatment. His addiction to benzodiazepine, instead of relying upon a “mystical experience“ he actually took the harder rooad it had himself placed in a medically induced coma. But I don’t think necessarily that that was the call that he could make because I don’t believe he was in any position to make any type of decisions himself. But it’s just strange to me that a man whose specialty is alcohol addiction didn’t seem to even remotely recognize that he was becoming addicted to benzodiazepine. Which further illustrates his mental state is unstable.
@hardtruckin1
@hardtruckin1 6 ай бұрын
I enjoy both of these guys…both very intelligent and it’s nice to see two people having a discussion without it turning out like a James Tour ranting
@ricabel321
@ricabel321 5 ай бұрын
Yeah. Matt did a good job of controlling the Dork!
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@ricabel321
@ricabel321 4 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So... you claim God licks Jesus's mother Mary's snatch. But the question remains. Does he do it with her permission or does he just take licks whenever he feels like it?
@ricabel321
@ricabel321 4 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 God spends 20.43 hours every day watching the home movie of his daughter-in-law (Mary) Mouthing the donkey and spitting it's "Juices" into Jesus's mouth!
@nathantowns1999
@nathantowns1999 6 ай бұрын
47:35 "I'm not trying to be difficult" Impressive. Because you're being extremely difficult.
@48mastadon
@48mastadon 6 ай бұрын
I have never heard so many words used to say absolutely nothing. Jordan Peterson is the master of gibberish.
@craighicksartwork
@craighicksartwork 6 ай бұрын
Peterson has some good points but the way he approaches arguments and relates them is absolutely infuriating. His word salads are conversation enders.
@aaronscheuman
@aaronscheuman 6 ай бұрын
Do these just get reposted? I come back and then find the same videos but newer and can’t figure it out. So much time wasted lol
@pricy69
@pricy69 6 ай бұрын
yes, repost
@MikeTwoPoint0
@MikeTwoPoint0 5 ай бұрын
Click bait
@garymanz3403
@garymanz3403 7 ай бұрын
Dillahunty is correct: We’re more afraid of being exposed as being wrong, than actually of being wrong. Thats why he rage quit after Andrew Wilson eviscerated his humanist position after only the opening statement.
@elijahochoa6517
@elijahochoa6517 7 ай бұрын
But we’re all wrong 😂
@elijahochoa6517
@elijahochoa6517 7 ай бұрын
Every statement ever said by man was a quite literal shot into the labyrinth of open space. Considering we have not been able to establish a unity nor a means to understand even our very selves everything thus far is just as wrong as every statement ever made. For if not, we’d all be on the same page
@ryanhoffman5477
@ryanhoffman5477 7 ай бұрын
Matt likes a hotdog in his chocolate pocket!
@JR-lw3ms
@JR-lw3ms 3 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@mirapilates
@mirapilates 8 ай бұрын
Matt said that JP's agent told him not to debate Matt again after this. Its pretty obvious this exposed Petersons nonsense. As Sam Harris said, Peterson attaches meaning where there is none. Hes like that kid that took his first philosophy class and rambles trying to sound deep.
@Jokumlokum
@Jokumlokum 7 ай бұрын
Can somebody inform peterson that it is okay to have conservative cultural values and be atheist at the same time lmao. His identity crisis is insane
@leeretaschen231
@leeretaschen231 7 ай бұрын
I think the bottom line is that Jordan Peterson feels that religion is useful and necessary in order to govern people, but he goes to great lengths to avoid the question of whether religious claims are objectively true. He is a master at question dodging and redirection.
@malnotmal6084
@malnotmal6084 7 ай бұрын
I think he can't afford to be totally honest about the subject because of alliances that keep him relevant.
@lukedegraaf1186
@lukedegraaf1186 8 ай бұрын
Was that like a minute before the metaphorical substrate was mentioned? What is it? He mentions it a lot.
@singwithpowerinfo5815
@singwithpowerinfo5815 8 ай бұрын
It’s all about the metaphysical substrate. 👍
@lukedegraaf1186
@lukedegraaf1186 8 ай бұрын
@@singwithpowerinfo5815 as helpful as Jordan. Thanks?
@turntablesrockmyworld9315
@turntablesrockmyworld9315 8 ай бұрын
Kind of like the cultural narrative that underpins cultures. He feels many narratives have metaphors important for human existence.
@sartori69
@sartori69 8 ай бұрын
@thedude-kl5zh "Repuslively verbose" is an absolutely PERFECT phrase to describe Jordan Peterson's metaphorical and simultaneously metaphysical manifestation of the verbal feces that is excreted directly from the powerfully ejective and evocative sphincters of North American male cattle.
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 7 ай бұрын
Look within yourself and you may find answers rather than seeking on social media.
@BjornAndreasBull-Hansen
@BjornAndreasBull-Hansen 7 ай бұрын
I had no idea that Peterson had gone so far into Lala land.
@LabMonkey-k2j
@LabMonkey-k2j 7 ай бұрын
You should watch the many videos of him crying while talking about Jesus 😂😂
@Cander617
@Cander617 7 ай бұрын
Just cuz ur an idiot didn't mean every one is
@LukeMcGuireoides
@LukeMcGuireoides 7 ай бұрын
Or him crying while talking about men
@El_Paracleto
@El_Paracleto 7 ай бұрын
@@LabMonkey-k2j Ta for the info...
@bykurt_is
@bykurt_is 7 ай бұрын
Give some examples
@harkema8090
@harkema8090 8 ай бұрын
Do not put mr. Peterson in court. ( explanation of the color of a car: well, you see. that depends..)😊
@glenalguire6960
@glenalguire6960 7 ай бұрын
My god is the best you can do to criticize jp
@userlamezz
@userlamezz 7 ай бұрын
@@glenalguire6960what
@riohenry6382
@riohenry6382 7 ай бұрын
He only asks for clarifications when we're getting into an area where peoples' understanding of a word can differ wildly
@highju
@highju 7 ай бұрын
Well, it does depend...if you want the truth...how many people have unjustly gone to jail on a little detail such as what color shirt was he wearing when the crime was committed?
@NeonSlime-uu5kt
@NeonSlime-uu5kt 7 ай бұрын
He's the King of Word Salad but I like him.
@kwkarol
@kwkarol 6 ай бұрын
"You can't stop smoking without any supernatural intervention" - Jordan Peterson I literally stopped smoking weed few months back because I was tired of my shortness of breath, constant coughing and spending countless money on herb. How is this a supernatural intervention? Dr Peterson had most likely won a lot arguments by dressing up his ridiculous point of view in pretty words and figured he could do the same with Mr Dillahunty. Not today, Jordan. Not today
@RadiantHealthForAll
@RadiantHealthForAll 6 ай бұрын
Weed and cigarettes are two very different substances in terms of addiction and he didn't say you can't stop smoking without any supernatural intervention but that it's exceedingly difficult to quit on your own. Only 8.5% of smokers quit each year.
@bmoe4609
@bmoe4609 4 ай бұрын
I literally got out of my own CHILD SA when younger by myself. I even didn’t pass it on and almost could have. But I didn’t because I fought not to and didn’t want anyone else to go through what I did. Both times I prayed to god and god never saved me worth shit. I did it on my own. Am I a god? No, am I better than god? Maybe. Am I here on this earth trying to live and heal? Yes, and ain’t no spirit being helping shit. This isn’t even me being bitter, I once was but this is the truth literally.
@Tax8tionisTheft
@Tax8tionisTheft 6 ай бұрын
I don’t know who’s running sound for the future, but: Apply a longer delay and soften the transition to their gate on speaker channels. The instant silence and attack delay coming back in is highly distracting.
@ArthurAsPedras
@ArthurAsPedras 7 ай бұрын
I think maybe Matt is forgetting to add “evil” to his equation. He starts from the perspective that everyone is 100% lucid and wants the best for others as much as they want for themselves. One can corrupt anything for one's own purpose. We cannot assume that everyone will follow the rules that are in everyone's best interest.
@vrz2000
@vrz2000 7 ай бұрын
His position on morality is if we can agree that we care about something, you can create objective standards based on what we subjectively agree upon ie. wellbeing etc. Sure you can argue that the fact that morality starts as subjective is an issue; the problem you addressed that one can corrupt anything for one’s own purpose doesn’t get solved with appealing to a god.
@ArthurAsPedras
@ArthurAsPedras 7 ай бұрын
​@@vrz2000 I did not say that God - or religion - would resolve this issue. In fact, religion is one of the best examples that everything can be corrupted. I'm talking about Matt saying with such certainty that everyone would naturally seek out everyone's best interest, and that probably won't happen. The issue is even deeper because we need a structural hierarchy, and let's say the people at the top could pursue very different interests, because - perhaps - they don't care about whats best for everyone. I was just trying to address the fact that the problem is much deeper than Matt was suggesting.
@vrz2000
@vrz2000 7 ай бұрын
@@ArthurAsPedras I see, thank you for the clarification and the thought provoking comments
@ArthurAsPedras
@ArthurAsPedras 7 ай бұрын
@@vrz2000I thank you for being polite in bringing up a good point for my argument🤝
@pierscadell7188
@pierscadell7188 6 ай бұрын
@@vrz2000 Your very words "appealing to a god" are revealing of course. It shows that you haven't studied the practise of belief carefully, and/or that you are not willing enough to confront non-confirming information to overcome your own confirmation bias. The very act of concentrating more on one's own confirmation bias than those that are alien to you, or perhaps to me, is easily and authentically describable as being a religious event. God knit me together in my mother's womb - so much deeper than "appealing". "We can create objective standards". No, we can only discover them, embedded in the metaphorical substrate, or they will be irrelevant and divisive.
@michaelkendall1263
@michaelkendall1263 7 ай бұрын
Why does jbp seem so angry lmao
@Gorborothh
@Gorborothh 7 ай бұрын
Passion.
@trainerd1
@trainerd1 5 ай бұрын
That’s your main take-away? Sad
@rajsingh-uw8ly
@rajsingh-uw8ly 4 ай бұрын
Because , as Gabor accurately described him , he is an agent of repression … perhaps some dark skeletons buried deep in his soul..
@dragonfire2159
@dragonfire2159 4 ай бұрын
Dishonesty with himself and cognitive dissonance.
@trainerd1
@trainerd1 4 ай бұрын
@@dragonfire2159 If you know someone who doesn’t , I’d like to meet them .
@joe_karry
@joe_karry 7 ай бұрын
It looks like Jordan hates that when people are applauding matt 😮😅
@CteCrassus
@CteCrassus 3 ай бұрын
What *really* seems to get to with him is the audience laughing whenever he spouts what, in his mind, is a profound quandary but, in reality, is arrant nonsense.
@veraluxmundi2032
@veraluxmundi2032 5 ай бұрын
“Substrate”, please. JP's argument seems to depend on enlisting a ragbag of philosophical 'big names' (just that, not their philosophy) and suggesting that we reach a deeper 'truth' from getting high. It's pathetic.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@veraluxmundi2032
@veraluxmundi2032 4 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 God doesn’t exist. You’re welcome.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 3 ай бұрын
@@veraluxmundi2032 Creation (puppies, trees, animals and humans) proves there is a creator Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God WHO GETS ALL THE ATTENTION? Evil is against good, which religion or God is attacked the most? Whose Name gets taken in Vain? There are 2 million gods yet Jesus is attacked the most, why do you think that is? Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
@veraluxmundi2032
@veraluxmundi2032 3 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You almost got me at puppies but then you spoilt it with the rest. “Small puppy dog of red, white and blue, small puppy dog that I just drew, small puppy dog whose name's Cashew, says have a nice day and I believe in You.”
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 3 ай бұрын
@@veraluxmundi2032 DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST? People reject the resurrection of Jesus not because they have studied the Historical evidence and found it lacking but rather if He did rise from the dead then He is God and that means you must obey Him For most people on the face of the planet this is why they reject Jesus as God.
@Flynbourne
@Flynbourne 8 ай бұрын
Surely the explanation for people perceiving these experiences as supernatural is that the visual and conceptual experience does not comport with anything in their experience of the natural world plus it evokes an emotion which is beyond the emotion they feel on a daily basis. It makes sense to then try to understand how such experiences could possibly be generated by the same world as the one they experience every day. It’s not that mysterious.
@immortal538
@immortal538 5 ай бұрын
jordan "well that depends" peterson
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@immortal538
@immortal538 4 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 intresting, and how do you know this to be true ?
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 3 ай бұрын
@@immortal538 The Bible and then personal experiences God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 3 ай бұрын
@@immortal538 Jesus loves you man and wants to save you from the fiery pit
@CteCrassus
@CteCrassus 3 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 If God is Omnipresent, then *everyone,* from the most depraved sinner to the most altruistic saint, is in His presence at all times, and yet we don't hear about cases of spontaneous combustion all that often. I guess true sinners must be vanishingly rare. Additionally, if Jesus didn't want people to end in the fiery pit he probably shouldn't have dug it in the first place.
@funmakers2093
@funmakers2093 6 ай бұрын
Can you imagine being married to Jordan Peterson? His wife might say something like, “hey honey, have you seen the salt shaker?“ And Peterson might say, “well the metaphorical substrate of the ethos of the salt shakers are embodied in our interpretation of reality.“
@kweis92
@kweis92 6 ай бұрын
I like Jordan but sometimes his language is beyond my mental comprehension lol
@chatpilot
@chatpilot 8 ай бұрын
Listening to JP talk is torture at the highest level! I thought this was Deepak Chopra's forte. He can't seem to answer a question directly without going on a tangent about things that in the end don't answer the question at all. To hell with William L. Craig! This guy makes him look like an amateur theologian. At least they kept it respectful and cordial.
@murraylove
@murraylove 8 ай бұрын
JP's vocalising is more tolerable if you lift the speed to 1.25 or even 1.5
@Soliloquy-gy6zf
@Soliloquy-gy6zf 7 ай бұрын
All are amateurs. Anything on two legs
@SethYoderMusic
@SethYoderMusic 6 ай бұрын
17:15 Goosebumps and euphoric experiences are NOT a valid indicator that you felt the Holy Spirit. They can be side effects sometimes, but those can be side effects of listening to secular music, like Matt explained. The Holy Spirit produces actions and thoughts (fruit) in the life of a believer that no amount of worldly physiological or psychological altercations can produce. For example, listening to euphoric secular music isn't going to make a person instantaneously quit porn, become deeply convicted of their sinfulness which leads to repentance toward God, start being a more genuinely humble person from the heart, have a sincere love in their heart for their enemies, or cause them to be holy. No amount of euphoric or mystical experiences, mushrooms, or self help plans will do that in a lasting and meaningful way either.
@TheNoodleGod9001
@TheNoodleGod9001 6 ай бұрын
"You say God is not real? But I think he is! Checkmate. I wouldn't think God is real if God *wasn't* real, obviously!"
@philosophy_by_psyche
@philosophy_by_psyche 7 ай бұрын
@42:26 Matt has just conflated physical laws (which in this context, would be better described as 'conditions'), to being the arbiters of the metaphysical. This is just such a crass and obtuse rationalistic equivalency to make... its also the mark of a lowly sophistry. The use of the phrase "best interest"... is a value judgement, values need value-frameworks, and also lead to a phenomenology that supersedes the natural world, ie. thought becomes the first mover, in a culturally laden context, fulfilling populated by the free will of contributed thoughts.
@theQuestion626
@theQuestion626 7 ай бұрын
I’m sorry but but how exactly do you arrive at this conclusion? And for that matter… Are you not going to factor into your comment that Peterson himself is basically a sophist? That’s his entire approach to this discussion.
@joedavis7615
@joedavis7615 6 ай бұрын
Exactly, I've come to notice that people (Matt in this case) continually equate morality with created actions and systems designed to achieve a goal. But the morality isn't the rules, its actually the goal. Rules are created to bring about a morality. Matt's morality is actually contained in the "best interest" phrase, and like you pointed out, he completely glosses over. He isn't even really talking about morality, he's just proposing a self help system.
@burgesj7
@burgesj7 8 ай бұрын
This was actually enjoyable for the most part. I hesitated to watch this expecting major frustration and yet it was actually a pleasant back and forth. Even though I align with Matt, I still love Jordan
@zimpoooooo
@zimpoooooo 7 ай бұрын
I like Jordan, but as soon as someone mentions God he goes all in nonsense. Totally conflating what he wants with that actually is.
@rabid_si
@rabid_si 7 ай бұрын
@@zimpoooooo I don't understand. That's JP all the time.
@tommyvictorbuch6960
@tommyvictorbuch6960 7 ай бұрын
"If God exists, I want him to tell me himself. I don't want to hear it from anybody else - and in case you're wondering, that includes you." - Pat Condell -
@joshuawoodin
@joshuawoodin 7 ай бұрын
Well God must live up to your commands, this comment is why your the intellectuals of the 21st century.
@JosephLee706
@JosephLee706 7 ай бұрын
God doesn't have to prove himself to anyone, just like no president goes around trying to convince people he's the president.. 🤦 the reason you don't know God is because you don't want to simple..
@joshuawoodin
@joshuawoodin 7 ай бұрын
@@JosephLee706 I get what your trying to say, however your analogy has a little flaw, I am not convinced that joe biden is president even with his holding office as US president. God almighty, Jesus Christ Yahweh one God is self evident. And I see it compared to showing a flat earther real evidence for a globe/spherical earth, and they reject evidence because they are wise in their own eyes.
@tommyvictorbuch6960
@tommyvictorbuch6960 7 ай бұрын
@@JosephLee706, you know just as much about a god as I do: Nothing. The difference is, that I don't pretend to know.
@JosephLee706
@JosephLee706 7 ай бұрын
@tommyvictorbuch6960 how do you know what I know?? That's right you dont!! Just because you don't know doesn't = nobody knows.. come on now 🤦 the difference is you pretend nobody knows..
@CoachMak
@CoachMak 8 ай бұрын
I don’t understand the comment section The discussion was fine, both people made points There is NO WAY to discuss these issues in 60 minutes
@klayt2024
@klayt2024 7 ай бұрын
It’s a bunch of godless liberals crying because they hate Peterson. 😉☺️
@timothyglassbrook4886
@timothyglassbrook4886 7 ай бұрын
Most people don't understand what their "opponent" is saying and decry it as nonsense rather than admitting they don't understand. That's my take on the comment sections of these types of debates anyway
@mitslev4043
@mitslev4043 7 ай бұрын
Both sides did really good. Jordan isn't really a debater like Matt. Jordan is hard to understand and many people hate him anyway so people just side with Matt. Jordan held his own very well. If he was a better debater I think he could have really pushed Matt. Jordan is in his own world at times and Matt uses weird definitions that make him difficult in a debate. But Matt can definitely lose if you know his style.
@JordiMelo99
@JordiMelo99 7 ай бұрын
So , peterson believe a being called god exists or not ?
@timothyglassbrook4886
@timothyglassbrook4886 7 ай бұрын
@@JordiMelo99 it depends on the definition you use. By his definition I would say yes
@Kurtio_
@Kurtio_ 5 ай бұрын
The problem is Science doesn't deal with these types of questions. Another problem is Science wouldn't be possible without the universe or world being intelligible to us. If random why should the world/universe be intelligible to us. In other words, how is science possible? I have a theory of the question imo. The same God that created the universe is ultimately responsible for our brain/mind. God is the source of the information/intelligence. We know the only thing that has the input and output of information is the brain/mind. I look at God like a programmer. Makes it easy to understand for most people. We created the computer, yet we are outside the laws of the created system, yet we use code to create new programs. God is no different imo. This follows logically imo. Something from nothing doesn't.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@warren-cga
@warren-cga 7 ай бұрын
If there is a god, he doesn't care about our day-to-day activities, nor does he care if we perform some repetitive ritual to praise this entity. The most profound thing that shaped my perspective was just the scale of the universe. To put it in scale, if our galaxy, the Milky Way, was the size of the United States, our sun and all the planets would fit on the tip of our finger, with Earth being the size of a red blood cell. Knowing this is just mind-blowing, and you can't ignore the fact that there are billions of other galaxies out there, larger than ours. Now, tell me-as a Christian, a Muslim, or any other religion-do the other civilizations out there believe in the same god you're telling me to worship? If you say yes, you're just being narcissistic and refuse to understand my perspective
@stevechristopher4123
@stevechristopher4123 7 ай бұрын
Good conversation. It’s nice to see an honest and respectful discussion on difficult topics
@javierbenez7438
@javierbenez7438 8 ай бұрын
Alberta is not, in fact, bigger than Texas
@vincewithslapchop3940
@vincewithslapchop3940 8 ай бұрын
Texas is about 10k more sqaure miles than Alberta, according to google.
@briaf3370
@briaf3370 6 ай бұрын
Of course it isn't
@MissGreenFingers
@MissGreenFingers 7 ай бұрын
True freedom is if your not enslaved to any form of enforced rules by strangers in your life. Just following the rules is not bad if you find meaning in them. The biggest misunderstanding is that ethics and morality vanishes when you do not bow down to religious belifes. But in my opionon, then true ethics and morality stops when your headless follow rules - fx. through religion. People 2000 years ago knew this. Law, democraci, human rights etc. were build from ideas where religion (another hierachy) were put out of the picture. Read Socrates, Aristotle, Nietzsche and Dewey, Lippmand and most importantly John Locke. It's brilliant thinkers who forged the future of the west, as it is today and their work helped people navigate and challenge the world towards freedom for the common folk. A people that diden't know true democraci, freedom, pay for their labor, freedom of speech, property rights - everything the west values so deeply today. Some of these people where hated and hunted for their ideas of true liberty and self-thinking, especially John Locke. If someone hints that something good come out of you thinking less and follow rules blindless. There is something wrong. Except if it's a parent telling a kid not to touch the hot stew, becuase they "says so".
@ScottPalangi
@ScottPalangi 7 ай бұрын
Where the heck was Ali G when JP was gaining momentum, that woulda been a good one.
@bengtal
@bengtal 6 ай бұрын
🤣I was born in '89, remember Da Ali G Show very fondly, and I fully agree with you that would have been something special probably!!
@SiRushBass
@SiRushBass 6 ай бұрын
Oh yes. Sacha would have taken him apart and he wouldn't have had a clue. Booyakasha!
@hendrong
@hendrong 5 ай бұрын
Why hasn’t Cunk interviewed him yet?
@RS-zp6hb
@RS-zp6hb 6 ай бұрын
my god the audience are annoying. you dont have to laugh at every sentence. half of them are probably only there because they think they are clever.
@AudunWangen
@AudunWangen 7 ай бұрын
Dissecting Peterson's word salad is almost impossible for philosophers that are versed in this "metaphysical" slush. Matt is a very pragmatic guy, the exact opposite of Peterson, which makes it very impressive that he can even have a digestible conversation with him at all.
@nightowl0815
@nightowl0815 7 ай бұрын
Jordan lobster Peterson uses Socrates' strategy of deconstructing sentences to confuse his interactor. But like magicarp it has no effect on people that realize this.
@JarvisGandy
@JarvisGandy 6 ай бұрын
You Mean like your word salad Right Now your so witty it's Stupid I'll take my pain of Suffering what ever you think that is over your Brain at any given second you Atheist kill me With your Robotic playing God love Afair and I dont even Hate you I Just want us Separated in Different states by party voting lines you will be better off And so would I .
@AudunWangen
@AudunWangen 6 ай бұрын
@@JarvisGandy Me? Witty? Thank ye for the compliment 😊
@daisyl2629
@daisyl2629 8 ай бұрын
Peterson’s wife recently recovered from cancer. I’m so happy she accepted medical treatment even though they both have only spoken on the subject to give credit to their Catholic God rather than the science behind her cure. I’m sure Peterson would agree that his wife’s survival was better than her death for his own wellbeing and for hers.
@zed.teague
@zed.teague 8 ай бұрын
noooo that’s not what he said haha😊
@daisyl2629
@daisyl2629 8 ай бұрын
Peterson: death is preferable to life because you “stop suffering” is not a presupposition he would offer his wife and not a starting point he considered. He sounds like he is arguing just to be controversial. Matt is making logical, reasonable points and Peterson just wants to be argumentative because he thinks it makes him look intelligent
@timothyglassbrook4886
@timothyglassbrook4886 7 ай бұрын
That's hardly an accurate representation of what happened. They're not dismissing the science that saved her, the fact that she's the only person they've ever recorded that has recovered from her specific type of cancer was miraculous to her and her process of recovery led her to her faith.
@wanderingstar5270
@wanderingstar5270 7 ай бұрын
@@timothyglassbrook4886I’m not taking away from her remarkable experience but I am forced to take it all with a bit of skepticism. I think they were fortunate enough to discover the cancer during her other surgery when normally it’s so fast growing that it kills a person before they even realise they have it. They were lucky in this regard. But I also have to say the accounts of JPs hospitalisation over his bezo treatment make me doubt so much about this man’s integrity and formulation of reality. It leads me to question so much of his reporting of events and how he even conceptualises the world at all.
@Soliloquy-gy6zf
@Soliloquy-gy6zf 7 ай бұрын
​@tonythomas1010both are clueless my friend. Knowledge of God goes far beyond mainstream ideas
@leeretaschen231
@leeretaschen231 7 ай бұрын
Whenever Peterson says something to the effect of “are you sure you really want the answer to that” it reeks of a stalling tactic, where he is trying to think up an acceptable answer to his opponent’s question.
@DemePoole
@DemePoole 7 ай бұрын
Bingo
@smokeyb321
@smokeyb321 7 ай бұрын
Nah , he understands things more than the normal human mind logic. that’s why ! I understand what he is trying to say. Things are not always black and white basically.
@DemePoole
@DemePoole 7 ай бұрын
@smokeyb321 Life is only as complicated as one makes it. Peterson talks gibberish, and he knows it.
@smokeyb321
@smokeyb321 7 ай бұрын
But isn’t that statement you made just a lazy remark on being a human being. Why can’t life be more than all that. That sounds like giving up to me.
@DemePoole
@DemePoole 7 ай бұрын
@smokeyb321 Seems to me that you just want to believe that you know something that only a few other people can understand. You've been watching too much Rick & Morty. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@davidintonti
@davidintonti 7 ай бұрын
1:04:00 You - whomever you are - You hold the truth. Yes. We are immersed in a world of patterns that emerge in story and myth - and religion. The optimal path through that world is JC for Christians. For those who have any problem with the Church, they need to reinvent JC - arrogantly, in themselves. When standing on the shoulders of giants, one must respect the giants, lest they be trampled.
@sams8502
@sams8502 6 ай бұрын
They repost this every month to monetize views
@JR-lw3ms
@JR-lw3ms 3 ай бұрын
GOOD
@Momokyun
@Momokyun 7 ай бұрын
50:22 I would argue that the chess analogy was bad because the Christian view would be that a supernatural power outside of the game gave us the answers to every chess move so that we could always win in that game of chess. And when you compare life to chess, well as an atheist you don't actually know if you win or lose with your set of moves, obviously you are choosing what "you" think is best. This is easily destroyed by the "objective morality" argument that Christian's would present. I'm not going to lie. I've been an atheist my whole life, but I do believe in God after many of these debates and reading both narratives. The atheist point of view always comes down to "have faith in not having faith" or something along those lines.... I don't think any atheist ever applies that logic fully to their entire life. Secular morality introduces the ability for a society to grow into something that we know is morally wrong if the bad actors out numbered the good. For example, slavery, rape, etc could all become legal in a future where people who secularly view it wrong are killed off/died off/etc and then the ones who think it's morally okay (lol..) out numbered them. "Society" determining morality doesn't really make sense. Obviously we have to look for objective morality which is just something that we know is good or evil without it being a secular opinion.
@lazaruscomeforth7646
@lazaruscomeforth7646 7 ай бұрын
Well said.
@vrz2000
@vrz2000 7 ай бұрын
It seems you are misunderstanding his chess analogy. Matt’s point is that once you subjectively agree on a moral standard, ie. wellbeing of humans etc, you can create objective standards that are either better or worse for that goal. So the “moves” we make are not just what we “think” are correct, it’s objective standards we are creating that strive towards the goal. If the goal in chess is to win, you can analyze a position and find out whether it’s a bad or good one based on the rules and goal of the game. Your god does not provide an objective morality, it is still your gods morality, subjugating it to that god. Your argument that secular people could move towards allowing slavery, rape etc gets destroyed by the fact that CHRISTIANS used the BIBLE to justify all the slavery that was done in america. Your argument for gods morality does not solve the issues and critiques you’re sending towards a secular morality. People will always read the bible with their own “discernment” which is why there is 1000+++++ denominations where they conflict at every corner of doctrine and all have conflicting moral values. So your argument bears absolutely no weight. The fact that you think atheists argue that you need faith in not having faith or whatever just proves that you are absolutely unequipped for this conversation.
@CarlFredrik-uo1cu
@CarlFredrik-uo1cu 7 ай бұрын
I wanna see Noam Chomsky, Jon Stewart, Bill Burr, and Jesse Ventura debate Jordan Peterson.
@jalawto
@jalawto 7 ай бұрын
My fantasy is Jordan Peterson goes on Opie and Anthony back when they had a show and Louis Ck, Jim Norton, and Patrice O’Neil are also guests and they make fun of JP the entire episode
@theQuestion626
@theQuestion626 7 ай бұрын
Jordan Peterson was pretty much decimated during this discussion. Matt Dillahunty was handling him very patiently. John Stewart would absolutely decimate him even more than he already was here. I especially loved at the beginning of this discussion Peterson with his smug arrogance when he says “ready to go?“ And then you see him do this little theatrical way of sitting with his legs crossed his hands folded and he leans back into his chair as if he’s some kind of hypnotist. Peterson is a crank masquerading as an intellectual. And so far his star has burned out.
@rabid_si
@rabid_si 7 ай бұрын
I wanna see Noam Chomsky, Jon Stewart, Bill Burr and Jesse Ventura fight Jordan Peterson in a Hell in a Cell cage match.
@mjohnson8157
@mjohnson8157 6 ай бұрын
Jordan loves that word "proclivity"! Lol.
@harrowdrut6316
@harrowdrut6316 6 ай бұрын
The way Peterson talks sounds smart but half the time he's not really saying anything.
@MrHPT3
@MrHPT3 7 ай бұрын
I do not respect MD. When his back is to the wall, I've heard him say in interviews and debates, "I haven't seen evidence for God. I don't know what good evidence would look like. But if God exists, he knows what would change my mind." That is a self defeating statement. If he doesn't know what the evidence would look like, how does he know that he hasn't seen it. I've also heard him say, "There is no amount of evidence that would convince me." Well, that's not being very opened minded now. Is it?
@marcozegikniet9301
@marcozegikniet9301 7 ай бұрын
Maybe you should look up what proof and evidence means then you know !
@MrHPT3
@MrHPT3 7 ай бұрын
@@marcozegikniet9301 The difference between proof and evidence is quite simple. Proof does not become proof until the evidence is excepted as proof. For example, we live in a time when people believe there are two genders. Genders having always meant male and female. All, and I mean all evidence, points that there is no other genders. In addition, people believe they can become animals, dogs, wolves, frogs and cats. People have lost their ever loving minds. I can not prove God, but there is evidence for God. Again, if one believes the evidence it is proof. There is a lot of evidences for God, but if it is dismissed by the person receiving it, it is not evidence at all. And this is what MD does all the time in every interview and debate. No matter how many scholars say that a pieces of evidence is good evidence MD dismisses it.
@Secularexpansion9
@Secularexpansion9 7 ай бұрын
You have completely misunderstood and misinterpreted his past comments. You have also taken things out of context, which is a little bit dishonest. All he said was: If belief in God was absolutely necessary to live a fulfilling life, then God should know exactly how to convince us but has failed to do so. Either God doesn’t want us to know of his existence or he doesn’t exist. All Matt is saying is that he does not know what kind of evidence is required to render belief in God, but an all-knowing God should know what would convince us and has failed to do so. Do you have evidence for the existence of God?
@MrHPT3
@MrHPT3 7 ай бұрын
@@Secularexpansion9 Yes, there is a lot of evidence for the existence of God. There are many books written on the subject. Should I type all the books in the comment for you to read or will you do your own research?
@jgalt308
@jgalt308 7 ай бұрын
@@MrHPT3 Then you could simply list the evidence...but you didn't.
@DemePoole
@DemePoole 7 ай бұрын
Jordan Peterson is such a time waster! Geez, dude! Can you answer a question without using a million words?
@ruecianbeoulve7770
@ruecianbeoulve7770 6 ай бұрын
As a person who likes to hear themselves talk and engages in fun bits of sophistry regularly... Jordan Peterson is on a whole other level, he literally avoided clarifying the very first question Matt asked across the entirety of the conversation down to the questions asked at the end. He didn't state what his actual beliefs on what god is, or if he's convinced one exists are. All we got was repeated prose about the metaphorical substrate (AKA feelings), and that god hasn't told us if he's a physical being or not so he can't answer on god's behalf, but he's obviously blowing over the point of whether or not he is convinced a specifically referenced; if not defined, god exists. if you watch the man when people ask him at other times you can glean Jordan Peterson's actual answer: He would very much like to believe god and the afterlife is real, but he's just a bit too smart not to recognize the reality of our situation heavily suggests otherwise, and not admitting so out loud is clearly an emotional defense mechanism for him.
@CreativeMaxer
@CreativeMaxer 7 ай бұрын
Peterson want's to be the teacher, the moderator and superior intellectual, want's to have the final say on the matter. He is more immature than he realizes. If at all.
@eduarddasilva6027
@eduarddasilva6027 7 ай бұрын
Matt got the best of him. He smashed this word wizard
@danpez1
@danpez1 8 ай бұрын
I understand what Matt said about supernatural phenomena not grounded in reality, but plenty of scientific phenomena would be considered supernatural if not experimentally explained, quantum mechanics for example makes claims that would be absolutely thought of as supernatural. Relativity as well. Time dilation length contraction gravitational lenseing, these things would sound ridiculous before we discovered them to exist . I don’t believe in god, but the fact is we can say all we want about the physics that govern our reality, but we still don’t know how to combine quantum mechanics with relativity, it’s not a secret, they do not work together and the search to unify them with a unified theory has been fruitless for a hundred years. We don’t dismiss either because of this, and even if we did have a theory of everything , what established the laws of physics as they are? it is a silly question that a physicist would reply with “well we are just describing reality as we observe it’ we can’t say why a particular particle has the mass it does, or why the speed of light is the specific speed it has “ This brings physics to the same place as the whole god argument, it asks for evidence of what cannot have evidence. Same with what was before the big bang, what exists at the singularity of a black whole? Science says clearly it’s beyond the possibility to know because physics doesn’t apply anymore. Yet we have no problem believing black holes exist or the big bang was the beginning of the universe as we know it. These things would sound ridiculous not so long ago by the way,. Dismissing things we don’t have evidence for just based on intuition is not aligned with the way science works and I see the god debate as just that. If you call whatever caused the Big Bang to occur god, is it really that ridiculous to think of it to have been? I’m not talking about a dogmatic entity but I mean something happened 13.8 billion years ago to set everything in motion, and it’s impossible to know what caused it and what was before, yet we have no problem with understanding that reality exists and don’t dismiss everything without proof of the cause of it all.
@chrisbingham3289
@chrisbingham3289 7 ай бұрын
From what you just said I don't know how the universe was created or wether God exists is proof that something existed. The question I keep asking is if we proved God exists what deference would it make to us.
@danpez1
@danpez1 7 ай бұрын
@@chrisbingham3289 this is how I feel about it too. I think Peterson was trying to make the point that it was the deep seated religious underpinnings that gave humanity the reason to strive for more than just self preservation, but the desire to worship something across time that led us to be as successful of a species as we are. If you aren’t just trying to survive and be comfortable day to day but have a belief system saying humans are a blessed “creation” that ought to adhere to principles beyond self, big things happen. At this time it is easy to think it makes no difference, but if might have changed the way people lived long ago.
@kristopherjon6496
@kristopherjon6496 7 ай бұрын
@@danpez1I don’t think a reasonable skeptic would disagree with this. I also don’t think a reasonable skeptic or scientist would insist a god does not exist. A god capable of creating this universe would by its nature be outside of our capacity to observe unless it chose otherwise. I think we can appreciate the positive impact of religion as major organizing principles for human advancement throughout history, while also being honest about their actual veracity given what we now know. If we aren’t honest about it, we destabilize any good they have done. Also, just a small aside in response to some of your statements: quantum mechanics and black holes sound magical, but are observed and can and have been modeled with reasonable accuracy such that those models have predictive power. Religious claims are just that - claims. There is no observation or experimentation we can use to justify them.
@danpez1
@danpez1 7 ай бұрын
@@kristopherjon6496 I was saying that it wasn’t long ago that these things, black holes in particular, were completely theoretical and it was thought that they were too absurd to exist outside the mathematics of Einsteins field equations. But low and behold we did end up seeing that which cannot be seen, a black hole. The way you even describe such phenomena like its obviously a fact of reality shows how something that was considered absurd fantasy can come to be accepted as if it were a thing you can hold in your hand.
@kristopherjon6496
@kristopherjon6496 7 ай бұрын
@@danpez1 Except the models of physics indicated their existence. On what basis are religious claims indicated, other than the claims themselves?
@roberto8650
@roberto8650 4 ай бұрын
I can't believe people think of Peterson as a great intellectual.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@roberto8650
@roberto8650 4 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Eat a bag.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 3 ай бұрын
@@roberto8650 I hope you have a blessed rest of the year but remember if the world gets dark that Jesus is the light of the world and can comfort you in this life and the next. When you repent and Believe in Jesus you will only regret that you didn’t sooner. Romans 10: 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 3 ай бұрын
@@roberto8650 Jesus loves you and wants to save you from the ffiery pit
@roberto8650
@roberto8650 3 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Fifery pit? Sounds fun.
@humorinpolitics56
@humorinpolitics56 4 ай бұрын
Before I watch this, I'm making the prediction that Matt wipes the floor with Kermit.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@humorinpolitics56
@humorinpolitics56 2 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 OMG for jesus sakes, you're one of those believers of imaginary wizards lol
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
@@humorinpolitics56 This is coming from a good place, my love for you are drops in the ocean compared to God’s love for you. Jesus loves you and wants to save you from hell so love Him back.
@humorinpolitics56
@humorinpolitics56 2 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I don't have feelings for other people's imaginary friends.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
@@humorinpolitics56 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@Tropdop
@Tropdop 7 ай бұрын
The left hemisphere of a brain telling the right hemisphere he doesn’t need him.
@briaf3370
@briaf3370 6 ай бұрын
Or need her
@briaf3370
@briaf3370 6 ай бұрын
JP is the reason why id never ever go to a shrink. They need shrinks more than anyone
@djb5320
@djb5320 4 ай бұрын
That's not a very good reason.
@Zozo-d7p
@Zozo-d7p 6 ай бұрын
Peterson tried to bully Dillahunty but got his ass kicked.
@jluzin
@jluzin 4 ай бұрын
anytime you hear peterson say "it depends on how you define x" you know you're about to take a left turn into benzoville
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@GilbertGTV
@GilbertGTV 4 ай бұрын
It’s interesting to me reading some of the comments here claiming that Jordan is Mr “word salad” or that he doesn’t ever answer a question with a simple “yes” or “no.” He absolutely does. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people answer around a question instead of answering directly. Politicians do this a lot. Jordan, in my opinion, is simply answering throughly. He’s never off topic. He answers the question from the root of even why it is asked and the importance of making sure the answer isn’t taken to go somewhere where Jordan can be misrepresented. Clearly he has developed this style because people have taken so much of what he says out of context, that a simple yes or no will only get him into more complicated criticism largely based on the inferences and presumptions in the question itself. It’s sad that many people here can’t see that. This is why being JP must be frustrating. This conversation is the perfect example. Matt literally said, “Let’s start off with a simple concept first… God.” Lol. That was humorous because there is no more complicated conversation to be had, at least one that would be of value to listen to, other than the possible existence of a higher power.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@GilbertGTV
@GilbertGTV 4 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 None of that has anything to do with my comment
@RoddyFuhr
@RoddyFuhr 7 ай бұрын
Did you notice that Matt reworded, or put into his own words, every one of Jordan's arguments before he made his rebuttal. This is how you argue a strawman. Substituting words is also a key component in neurolinguistic programming.
@Joe-un1tl
@Joe-un1tl 8 ай бұрын
This smackdown of Peterson will never get old. The fact that people buy the religious BS Jordan's been pushing for the past 6 years is absolutely wild to me.
@hypno5690
@hypno5690 8 ай бұрын
Grow up man
@lukedmoss
@lukedmoss 8 ай бұрын
Peterson seems to take an important insight about the 'religious' i.e. spiritual roots of civilization or at least human psychology and extrapolate it to all sorts of convoluted nonsequiter assertions.
@johnmoonitz2968
@johnmoonitz2968 8 ай бұрын
"Smackdown of Peterson" ?? This was not a smackdown of either of these men. Just because you disagree with Peterson's views (or perhaps lack the cognitive ability to grasp what he is actually saying in any given moment), does not mean he was bested in any way. I think this was an interesting conversation about an incredibly complex topic, and I would like to see more conversations like this.
@brockwhite8699
@brockwhite8699 8 ай бұрын
​@@johnmoonitz2968you know you don't have to scour the comments section of this video to defend your champion, Mr. JP. If you are inclined, this is a re-upload. You can go find the original and argue with all the people calling him a whacko there too.
@JimmieSimmons-r4w
@JimmieSimmons-r4w 8 ай бұрын
@@brockwhite8699JP has done more for young men than almost anyone in modern times and that’s because God blessed him with the ability to do so. It’s always interesting when people use click bait words like “smack down” or “destroyed” that have lost all meaning. A conversation doesn’t need or require someone being bested. You either agree or disagree. Unfortunately for most people they can’t accept that Jesus is the truth and the fact that Peterson grows ever closer to that realization brings him a lot of unwarranted hate. If you can’t see God in everything you’ve probably never spent an adequate amount of time stepping back and truly observing the world as a whole.
@patbickmonty6900
@patbickmonty6900 8 ай бұрын
Peterson isn't making explicit condemnations of Christianity but he's very effective, perhaps the most effective, at subliminally pursuading people that the bible isn't literally true, and in this regard he's subverting the Christian religion whilst mainting the pretense that he's a friend of the Christian cause. He's doing more to wean society off of Christianity than most other thinkers, and he's doing so without creating the tensions and conflicts that arise when others attempt it. The atheist/agnostic crowd need to give the man a break, also why complain when people indulge in the abstract? Just have fun
@Not_An_EV
@Not_An_EV 8 ай бұрын
Your entire comment is "Jordan Peterson isn't really a Christian he's just there to destroy Christianity... but even if he is one let him" Which A) Is demonstrably wrong And B) Completely misses the point people have with religious folks
@oboobo5829
@oboobo5829 8 ай бұрын
Yes sir yes sir🎉
@natmanprime4295
@natmanprime4295 8 ай бұрын
he's a gnostic (whether he realises it or not)
@jaegermeister798
@jaegermeister798 8 ай бұрын
💯 with everything you said, I also think that last part about “having fun” is the #1 thing people miss that is arguably the most important in this “meaningless” world. Peterson and Drew from Genetically Modified Skeptic played a huge part in my deconstruction. Other major “sceptics” I feel have come across as too shallow. To me, none of them have ever tried to express an understanding for how deep religious thinkers operate like. For me personally, I am too self aware of certain parts of myself that need a convincing ethos and narrative for my ego to live by that makes sense with the facts of the world before me and so far JP are one of the very few thinkers that provides a framework to work from. People like Matt may be satisfied with their current ethos, but from my view, if he thinks it’s self evident and satisfactory, then my only conclusion I am left off with is that his takes are just shallow. Effective for what his “goals” are but not anything more.
@Not_An_EV
@Not_An_EV 8 ай бұрын
@@jaegermeister798 You could have just saved yourself and us a lot of time by telling us you don't understand this subject enough to comment on it
@LeggoMyTailyPo
@LeggoMyTailyPo 7 ай бұрын
People make this conversation more complicated than it needs to be. And saying that it's arrogant or condescending to tell someone, I don't need god in order to be a moral person but if you do go ahead. No part of that makes a statement on which is better or worse. It simply accepts that sometimes people do the same things for different reasons. If the results are the same then why is the reason relevant? The problem is that someone who believes in God is not satisfied with that being their personal beliefs. They require that you believe it too. An atheist doesn't care what you believe just as long as you are good to people. They make the claim that youre not really an atheist because you are too good to be an atheist. How come no one gas ever scrutinized the Christian behavior and turned that back on them. You don't really believe in god because you aren't a good enough person, you claim god morality and continue to do too many immoral things to honestly believe in god.
@jgalt308
@jgalt308 7 ай бұрын
Defining a subjective, by means of another subjective, is circular nonsense. What is the objective evidence for morality? Just as there are many variations of god, and even of the same god, so to go the variations of the moral codes. If they were objectively true, they would be consistent and are anything but.
@LeggoMyTailyPo
@LeggoMyTailyPo 7 ай бұрын
@@jgalt308 well once people realize that they don't need justification from God for their moral stand points. Nor do they need to invoke God to justify them. We will become a more moral society. All people need to do is wake up and see that we make the morals. But that is a good thing because that puts the power in to our hands to decide on what we agree is moral. The only morals that exist are ones we make. And we can make good morals or bad morals. It really is up to us. Never in the Spanish inquisition did god ever come down and miracle anyone out of being tortured and killed. No human in history ever weighed less than a bible to prove that they were under divine orders. They all died horribly. Time to wake up people. God isn't doing any of this WE ARE! And we can do better.
@jgalt308
@jgalt308 7 ай бұрын
@@LeggoMyTailyPo Wouldn't one's morality be determined by the conditions of one's existence? In order to develop a consistent moral code of behavior wouldn't that require that those conditions be both consistent and stable for everyone? And wouldn't this code also be applicable to all forms of life subject to those same conditions? Now, add a "creator" who was responsible for those very conditions. By what reasoning could one claim such a belief while also implying that any behavior in reacting to those conditions is going to be judged as moral or immoral by the being responsible for those conditions? If one believed in such a being, wouldn't one also be forced to question why such a being who had the power of such a creation would create conditions that ran counter to or invited actions that were a direct contradiction of that moral code? Finally, what would be the motivation one would assign to such a being?
@LeggoMyTailyPo
@LeggoMyTailyPo 6 ай бұрын
@@jgalt308 yes and that's why the Spartans thought it was perfectly moral to throw a newborn into an icy river to see if it was strong enough to be a true Spartan. If any of that was actually true, and not just a myth to show how bad ass Spartans were. The point is exactly as you said. Morals are based on the conditions of society. Our society doesn't work like it did 3000 years ago and therefore our morals need to change to fit our new way of Living. When your computer is outdated, you upgrade it. Shouldn't we do the same upgrade when our morals are outdated?
@jgalt308
@jgalt308 6 ай бұрын
@@LeggoMyTailyPo Presented in that context, that seems a reasonable suggestion. But it assumes that we have assessed the conditions under which we exist correctly, have control of them and are all in agreement as to what path should be taken. It does not appear as if we have any agreement at all about any of these things including those things that are basic, empirically derived objective truths. The fact that the topic of this discussion is taking place, and the nature of the responses to it, demonstrates just how far we are from such an agreement. To compound the problem, we have rendered the very words employed to engage in it meaningless, complete with echo chambers to hide in and censorship, to prevent both resolution or even discussion from taking place. Variations of this cacophony have intruded on every topic and even those engaged in leading it here are no closer to an agreement about anything, and Dilahunty has been engaged in this for decades...while his opposition employs avoidance. So again, we are faced with the initial question...since we exist in an objective reality, shouldn't this be the basis for determining what would be morally consistent with it? Shouldn't morality be objective also? Given what has been demonstrated here, by what means can we even begin this examination?
@WillieBloom
@WillieBloom 7 ай бұрын
I’m an apostate and an atheist my entire adult life so over 30 years and counting. That said, I note an inability or maybe disinterest in understanding what Dr Peterson is trying to say. I can’t figure out which it is. I do not by any means agree with Dr Peterson about everything all the time but I do believe that I could steel man him quite well. No wonder Matt, Sam, Richard and Jordan speak past one another at every engagement.
@asayake1
@asayake1 8 ай бұрын
What the heck is Jordan on with you can't quit smoking without taking a drug? I quit smoking after 15 years by moving across the country. It was enough of a change in environment to break all the old habits and triggers. No drugs or supernatural experience required. Just outgrew the addiction. Of course there were cravings but those were reduced and eliminated over time.
@peterwhyte-zl1kv
@peterwhyte-zl1kv 8 ай бұрын
There must decided to stop smoking. I did after 20 years. All it took was a doctor who told me I would be unable to work at 60 years if I continued. The Doctor was also an insurance assessor. I think JP confused the issue. He often finds it necessary
@timothyglassbrook4886
@timothyglassbrook4886 7 ай бұрын
He wasn't saying it's impossible to quit smoking, his point was that we haven't found an effective pharmaceutical to stop smoking. There isn't a medicine that makes you stop, but amazingly enough, mushrooms paired with the subjectively divine experience, seems to work. Which suggests that there's something physically real occuring in relation to the subjectively divine
@aukemebel4263
@aukemebel4263 7 ай бұрын
@@timothyglassbrook4886 Why call it divine? I have used shrooms on numerous occasions and the experience has been all in my head the entire time. Your subconcious and concious seem to blend together, you can think very clearly and become hyper focused on your own body. I can also still remember all the halucinations I have had in every trip. Nothing of that has to be described as "subjectively divine" just call it "subjective experience". This is exactly the "Woo woo" language that people ascribe to JP, as he smuggles in words of his preconceived notions into these discussions. My brother stopped smoking due to his partner wanting him to stop. He has since stopped snoring, being short of breath, stopped coughing. JP is one of those christians that wants to have these things be "magical" in some way so they can cling to the last remaining areas of faith. The last few things that science cannot easily test: conciousness and the grounding of reality.
@G-O425
@G-O425 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, you truly didn't get him. Don't limit supernatural to mean only drugs, but rather any other form of external interventions. Listen from 15:15 to 15:50, he expanded on what it could mean.
@danpez1
@danpez1 7 ай бұрын
He didn’t say that you can’t, but that A psychedelic experience has resulted in a significant amount of people quitting smoking, when there is no pharmaceutical mechanism for the change in behavior. It’s an example of what some may call a spiritual experience.
@leversandpulleys9274
@leversandpulleys9274 7 ай бұрын
I think this was recorded when Peterson was starting to fully have that illness. Here are points when he was starting to lose his ideal thinking process due to God-knows-what. 1. He proposed a situation when death is preferable to life through a story of a burnt victim; this is the situation of Mercy, but he lacks an example based on its opposite which is Justice; he could ally the Mercy example with a story of a serial killer that has to be put to death by the court to maintain civilization-this metaphysical duality of Mercy and Justice (Two hands of God, mytho-poetically) could shed the light better, which can be powerfully developed EVEN through Matt's framework of moral revision: "Matt, the revision still RELIES on metaphysics", this could lock him back into his first initiation of the metaphorical substrate, and from there he could strengthen his position that wrestles with religious issues. I might want to add more to this, this is fun! Still standing close to Peterson 😎
@ChristianJulesCruto-bp6fe
@ChristianJulesCruto-bp6fe 7 ай бұрын
In my opinion we don’t know the beginning if mysterious creator create the universe or universe create by a Big Bang. Creator gonna exist if we believe there creator or it exists and we don’t know where the Big Bang came from and there major problems in the Big Bang we cant solved it because of our lack of knowledge I’m a Christian I just have faith.
@danielrichardson4868
@danielrichardson4868 7 ай бұрын
Its so refreshing to see how much Jordan cares about being accurate, as opposed to right, because there's an important difference.
@rabid_si
@rabid_si 7 ай бұрын
I think Jordan cares more about being kihsjdgioljpsodjgiopsjdpoigj as opposed to loiksdjgilojsdpoighjiosjdgfpo. I'm not sure what the difference between the two is, but I'm sure he's got some spurious word salad to pull out of the metaphorical substrate to define it.
@timrounse5186
@timrounse5186 7 ай бұрын
One man’s mysticism is another man’s surreal. Before chemistry was understood it was “mystical” now that we understand it, it’s not.
@miguelcervantes5569
@miguelcervantes5569 7 ай бұрын
but we proved the chemistry and its reliability but not god being real :( soooooooo try again
@miguelcervantes5569
@miguelcervantes5569 7 ай бұрын
god was before chemistry , but we cant prove hes real. is crazy to think
@Rancher512
@Rancher512 7 ай бұрын
God is not a being. He is being.
@miguelcervantes5569
@miguelcervantes5569 7 ай бұрын
where he at tho
@SkeptiCol_Vet
@SkeptiCol_Vet 7 ай бұрын
Kendrick Lamar is not a rapper. He is rapper. - I wish you knew how you sound 😅🤦
@trip4923
@trip4923 7 ай бұрын
​@@SkeptiCol_VetChildren's music.
@oscarsalas1
@oscarsalas1 7 ай бұрын
that's a claim, we need the evidence.
@Mustanaamio7
@Mustanaamio7 7 ай бұрын
God is dog written backwards.
@darrenbrown7037
@darrenbrown7037 7 ай бұрын
People are so quick to write Jordan off.. I think Matt is amazing and his views hold strong, but Jordan makes a lot of strong points here, all of which people quickly reduce to nonsensical mumbo jumbo because it’s easy for them to push it away without thinking about it. Jordan is fighting for the side of the subjective, which is pushed away by science, but is an important and undeniable aspect of the human experience. It’s a massive part of who we are. We all experience this world in our own way, and our dreams, hallucinations, mystical or spiritual leanings, all fall under the umbrella of existing within the realm of our collective experience. It shouldn’t be denied and it is important. Both sides are important. Of course no one can prove or disprove God. But Jordan is saying a lot of good stuff here.
@anthonyberard3507
@anthonyberard3507 7 ай бұрын
You can disprove God. Einstein's equation is E=.mc^2*gamma. P=E/t. It follows then that P=mc^2*gamma/t. Claim: God is immaterial (mass is zero). Plug in zero for m. P=0*stuff =0 Thus, God's power is zero. This is equivalent to saying God does not exist.
@SeanSk1lz
@SeanSk1lz 7 ай бұрын
@@anthonyberard3507 The mistake you make is you compare God to the material realm like an artefact on a table? Like his power is depended on his material mass. The reason God is a receding Horizon on which we will never reach is because as the “Absolute” God has nothing to compare itself to. Representing the highest ideal that could animate us through life. Whereas we are constantly comparing ourselves to our past choices, insecurities and other people etc. How do we transcend the things we need to shed? After all we are an animated spirit that can be made manifest in the world, effecting the fabric of the world around us based on the consequential decisions / choices & life experiences over time within the self. So how do we tackle these without descending further into hell like a non believer might… making those who tap in to his “power” become more like the manifested spirit of God than he / she was the previous day. The angels in heaven for all eternity are crying out Holy Holy Holy! As they discover a new facet of God that they didn’t know existed. This is represented in us as humans as we discover parts of ourself being made manifest that we didn’t know was possible. Then this opens the landscapes of how these parts of ourselves could manifest themselves into the eternal landscape of all the possibilities of experiences of life yet to be experienced in the future. All of this being possible through Gods spirit that we have allowed to work through us. How can this spirit work though us though? Well we know God has nothing to compare himself to. Where we do compare ourselves. Therefore God is the highest ideal on which we would like to be. How do we get closer to that…? It works by us confronting our sin? The Hebrew for sin means “To miss the mark” That mark will be different for each individual. But we all repeat patterns of behaviour that we are in denial about, or are not brave enough to confront. So how do we get passed it? The Cross is the answer. Bear your cross and crucify what is holding you back, and use the weight of that suffering, confronting it voluntarily, REMEMBER it and use it to propel you forward to project yourself and those around you in to a better future. To allow Gods manifestation to take place, to reach the Father, you need to do two things simultaneously. That is the contrast of your past suffering, feel the weight of it, but recognise it’s in the past, that you have voluntarily crucified this through the cross of Jesus, whilst simultaneously envisioning the potential future that could now be made manifest in PLACE OF THAT SIN that you has been removed. This is where the power of Gods manifestion fills your spirit and you release what you have been saved from!! When parts of your soul start to come alive again, that you thought were gone forever…?? Then tell me that God doesn’t exist… The power of God is real! The Power of the cross is real!! Everyone has a spirit that animates them, and causes them to repeat patterns of behaviour, see life through certain lenses.. The question I have for you sir is… are your numbers and equations going to give your soul and spirit the life it so desperately is crying out for when life gets tough and you need it to change?
@anthonyberard3507
@anthonyberard3507 7 ай бұрын
@@SeanSk1lz When life gets tough, and I need it to change, then I have to take action to remedy it. You didn't address what the equation is saying. It's saying mass is required to do things in our universe. It requires power to do things. God with no mass has no power.
@darrenbrown7037
@darrenbrown7037 7 ай бұрын
@@anthonyberard3507 there’s a much simpler rebuttal to your equation… anything that people can imagine can’t technically be disproved because there is always a chance that it’s possible. It’s entirely possible for a waterfall to flow backwards, or for cream in coffee to be removed once it’s stirred in, or for a shattered vase to randomly put itself back together. A). Things have a tendency to continue the pattern as we have come to know it, although within the pattern there are many things we don’t understand, but all the physics is there for the pattern to change, it’s possible, just highly improbable. B). Our instruments and minds have immense limitation and can only measure within the framework and bias of which they are invented. So actually, disproving God, or Santa, or the Easter bunny is impossible because all of them are technically possible, they can’t be entirely ruled out. Any physicist or scientist will tell you that.
@MatthewVecchio-tx9nq
@MatthewVecchio-tx9nq 7 ай бұрын
@@anthonyberard3507 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4S4qqGPr55msLssi=UJ-qXH37Uoba2is3
@tedclemens4093
@tedclemens4093 6 ай бұрын
The New Testament is not an “update” of morality. It’s a reiteration of Exodus 34:7 to a wider audience. The biblical object is not one of morality, but who is God?
@MaryvalePress
@MaryvalePress 7 ай бұрын
The secular morality sounds exactly like natural law.
@AlvenmodFoto
@AlvenmodFoto 7 ай бұрын
Matt said after this that Jordan's agent had told him to never debate Matt again after this. Wonder why? 😂
@kristopherjon6496
@kristopherjon6496 7 ай бұрын
I was already on my way, but this discussion when it originally came out broke the Jordan Peterson spell for me. Peterson having an actually well-reasoned interlocutor, instead of silly news anchors and sensationalist ideologues, who actually challenged the substance of his positions was clearly uncomfortable for him, but more importantly rather damaging to unqualified promulgation of his positions. Hard to know for sure, but it seems to me that this event contributed strongly to Peterson’s retreat into echo chambers he found favorable, where he stays now. I know your question was humorously rhetorical, just giving my opinion on it.
@jesterc.6763
@jesterc.6763 7 ай бұрын
​@kristopherjon6496 i felt the exact same way. His lessons on growing up sounded profound. His message of independence and growing up contradicts his religiousness.
@joshuawoodin
@joshuawoodin 7 ай бұрын
Why do you think ? And what tiktok clip did you hear this ? I saw matt rage quit a debate, so holding him up as an intellectual genius that is far better than JP is a lacking in your thinking.
@jesterc.6763
@jesterc.6763 7 ай бұрын
@@joshuawoodin i bet you've never listened to what matt has to say.
@joshuawoodin
@joshuawoodin 7 ай бұрын
@@jesterc.6763 well I don't see what listening to him means if your equating what the difference is ?
@jalawto
@jalawto 7 ай бұрын
Jordan won’t let a productive conversation happen
@gehtkeinenwasan8087
@gehtkeinenwasan8087 7 ай бұрын
yeah he is a "blinder"
@jameshenderson7607
@jameshenderson7607 7 ай бұрын
When you’re having a discussion on the the metaphysical it requires unpacking a plethora of meta conversations
@jalawto
@jalawto 6 ай бұрын
@@jameshenderson7607 Your response is an example of a new phrase I'm coining; Peterson apologetics. Defined as; when someone brings up a valid criticism of Jordan Peterson, someone will always rush in to contextualize what he's trying to say. Usually starts with the phrase "what Peterson is trying to say is". Whenever this happens the apologist places the blame on the person criticizing Peterson as not being smart enough to understand his point. But if someone always has to clear up what he says, and it's keeps happening that someone isn't sure what Peterson is trying to convey, then at some point you just have to accept that Peterson is just a f*#!ing idiot.
@internetwanderer9053
@internetwanderer9053 6 ай бұрын
I love how at the same time Matt strawmans Jordan by for example putting in his mouth that he said that "true atheists are murderers"
@jalawto
@jalawto 6 ай бұрын
@@internetwanderer9053 That's because everybody Jordan Peterson has ever had a conversation with has tried to nail down what Peterson is trying to say because Peterson doesn't have well thought out opinions and just poops words out of his mouth.
@robertlemon6583
@robertlemon6583 7 ай бұрын
God can't be doubted or had faith in.. God is so fundamental and so obvious that "it" almost always goes unnoticed.
@miguelcervantes5569
@miguelcervantes5569 7 ай бұрын
where he at tho? i never seen him
@robertlemon6583
@robertlemon6583 7 ай бұрын
@@miguelcervantes5569 god can't be objectified as an "other" but is something fundamental to your being. Existence itself, reality itself, something you have never questioned or denied. The IS-NESS of the universe.
@rabid_si
@rabid_si 7 ай бұрын
@@robertlemon6583 Cool, that's just the universe bro.
@jakeherter
@jakeherter 6 ай бұрын
10:11 the reason you can reliably call a psychedelic experience mystical is because it makes people hallucinate. They see fantastical things that they would otherwise not ever see in any way in the real world. That is mystical by definition, and it's entirely contained within the psychedelic hallucination ability of the human brain.
@G-O425
@G-O425 7 ай бұрын
Q 1. A - Yes, He would. God isn't because of human beings but people are because of Him. That question seem to say, if a parent have children and the children happens to all die, so the parent also then cease to exists.
@MrMojoRisin-ul3vp
@MrMojoRisin-ul3vp 7 ай бұрын
The 'parent' does cease to exist.
@troysdogtraining
@troysdogtraining 7 ай бұрын
you don’t get to think “ohh that’s self evident”, nothing is self evident to the skeptic. banger line of argumentation
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