Jordan Peterson - What is consciousness & how does it relate to the brain?

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[@stephenowesney5173]

I want this full lecture desperately

[@TheArchangel911]

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[@herusmonteiromelo3410]

Someone like me to watch later. Thank you

[@inspiringmedia3716]

I know right WTF LMAO 🤣

[@alexandermyrthue1987]

Pleas just always link to the full video @@TheArchangel911

[@robertsacco7493]

Good luck taking notes in this class!

[@marcosguilherme4529]

So imagine people like me who doesn't speak fluently

[@marcosguilherme4529]

Or understand jajaja

[@bansyiemlieh3213]

😂 😂

[@ThePoiMaster]

Why do you need notes when he uploads his lectures on youtube

[@WhiteWakedNProud]

With his articulation... voice to text all day

[@tendividedbysix4835]

I think I may have seen every Jordan Peterson video now, twice. I regret nothing.

[@Creatorof3000]

I am currently on a journey to do the same. I have confidence that the outcome will be the same for me.

[@kyhxx]

he is buddha

[@30guarino]

Tendividedbysix but is your room cleaned

[@ricasiogaming7873]

So you listened to hours and hours of someone monologuing jibberish about stuff he is clueless about? And don’t regret it? Wow I mean to each his own...

[@tendividedbysix4835]

@@ricasiogaming7873 what part of this lecture did you think was jibberish?

[@Bouncybon]

Good grief - he makes everything so incredibly INTERESTING! What a treasure to world society is Dr Peterson.

[@rickwyant]

LOL

[@captainbodyshot2839]

yare yare

[@locksand45]

Yea....but hes Canadian, so...

[@perditusthornatus2718]

How can anyone hate Jordan Peterson? He is so polite, articulate, knowledgeable, and wise that he does not deserve to be treated with disrespect. If you disagree with him, just politely explain what it is you disagree with and provide a carefully articulated argument as to why. Those who claim he is "the stupid person's smart person" clearly did not understand what he was saying and don't know to formulate arguments without resorting to logical fallacies. There is some good information here that could positively impact countless individuals' lives.

[@manirs2308]

because they have a priori prejudices and thus high tendency to be offended than listening to him.

[@perditusthornatus2718]

mr. mrs I've actually been trying to read various article explaining why they don't like Jordan Peterson, and I can't find any that really persuade me to see things their way. I read one that was about why Jordan Peterson is "dangerous," interestingly enough, it wasn't a bad article, but they never ACTUALLY explained why he was dangerous. It talked about Jordan's past, how he became popular, some of his books, etc., but it never outright said that Peterson was "dangerous" or a "threat." The article talked about a couple controversies that involved Jordan Peterson (like the one fan wearing an anti-Islam shirt) or that many of his viewers say nasty things on the internet, but nothing that really would convince anyone that Jordan Peterson himself was dangerous. I think it's really unfortunate that many unsavory people gravitate to Jordan Peterson and that their open support for Jordan Peterson is inadvertently hurting him. I'm very disgusted with the racist/sexist/crude language some of the KZbin commenters say to Jordan's videos, but Jordan Peterson is not responsible for those people because nothing Jordan says ever comes close to encouraging this sort of behavior. In fact, I'll bet that all of these nasty people were already nasty before they found Jordan Peterson but they cling to him just because they like some of what Jordan says but they don't fully understand what he is saying. For example, I think a lot of these people could have had negative experiences regarding affirmative action (say, they were passed over for a promotion or two simply because they were white males) and they like Jordan Peterson because Jordan is deeply opposed to "equality of outcome' (which affirmative action tries to accomplish) and is instead a proponent of "equality of opportunity." I think that a lot of these racist/sexist commenters might be confusing Jordan Peterson calling out why Equality of outcome is bad with why the people who benefit from affirmative action (largely minorities) are bad. I don't believe that the people who benefit from affirmative action are bad, but I believe that the appeal of affirmative action is creating a system that enables people who are minorities to be admitted into positions they perhaps would not have otherwise been admitted to based on performance/experience/merit, etc. This isn't the only reason, but it occurred to me that a lot of the people commenting seem to act like they were personally wronged by a minority and/or woman, so I was piecing together a theory for why that might be. Especially because there is nothing that Jordan Peterson says that should otherwise stir up resentment against women and/or minorities in general.

[@manirs2308]

@@perditusthornatus2718 I am quite enthralled by the vastness of your knowledge about Jordan peterson's views. A simple metaphoric example would set an understanding here. The reality of our society is itself based on a downright fallacy; without which it becomes baffled like a person without ego. People are blinded right after they are born and keep following the others. They are in deep sleep ever since the birth. People get irritated with the alarm sound that they themselves put earlier night; just because it disturbed their one night's sleep. How would people feel if someone tries to wake them up from this life-long sleep? So its obvious for those people to deny and condemn people like JP who dares to speak of truth as it is. Its their own unconsciousness and ignorance that they express flamboyantly.

[@christophermckinney4756]

agreed.

[@chuckjls]

@@perditusthornatus2718 Peterson discusses this issue in some of his interviews and videos. Part of the reason he believes it is important to keep free speech free is so that people who have had negative experiences and have formed negative, distorted, thinking due to the personally harmful experiences that you mention can be exposed and straightened out. When these people are instead shamed and ostracized from the main stream they go underground and gravitate to extremist organizations. This is the backlash from being ignored and put into a fixed category or tribe as Peterson describes it. Peterson feels their pain, but then explains that the solution is not joining a hate group. Instead he demonstrates that it is much more effective to face people with whom they disagree and face the consequences and not join fringe groups solely on the basis that they have been wronged in the same fashion and not abandon basic principles of decency such as renouncing racism or desegregation. So I would argue that Peterson has done a lot to prevent people, young, white men especially, from wandering off into racist, nihilistic, ideologies on the right, but also the left. This is what the Left may be afraid of. If they listen to and emulate Peterson they regain the moral high ground, they stay away from fanatical fringe groups, and therefore they can't be easily marginalized or ignored. He is teaching by doing.

[@Hivlik]

Idk about anyone else but I didn’t care about Bill C16 or any of that shit. This is the Jordan Peterson I fell in love with

[@vicredshaw1155]

Can you sum up what he just said for me ?

[@dunnaredside8460]

Yes, but life is tragedy tainted with malevolence, and sometimes, the right thing to do is to show your fangs.

[@GamesSatisfy]

VicRedshaw can you?

[@kevingronemeier9015]

Dünna [Red Side] , if you are stuck in your primitive survival mode, then yes. But humans are beyond survival. We can go to the grocery store and buy a years worth of food, as apposed to having to actively go out into the unknown and find food and water every single day.

[@neroaugustus5378]

I care about that stuff, but this is the Peterson I love

[@abhishekpaul5337]

His lectures have changed my life in ways that i can't imagine...Every time i listen to him, he opens doors that i didn't know even existed and guides me through the unknown.

[@MCMC-mb1be]

The same!

[@karenmacphee9186]

Abhishek Paul me too 🥰🙏

[@bluetrashcan5420]

i would like this but it has 69 likes.

[@yushpi]

Really,now all we need is a Hindu guru talking about Indian darshanas and epics in evolutionary psychology, memetic language like Dr. Peterson does with biblical stories.

[@ClaudioAlbuquerque]

I feel the same.. the power to stay curious find in him new doors...

[@StillStealSteel]

Imagine taking a class from him before he was famous. That would've been amazing.

[@eali614]

You might not have appreciated it as much

[@StockpileThomas1]

Why not. Students always appreciate a good teacher and Mr Peterson is excellent at his profession.

[@stanleyklein524]

Never heard consciousness explained this way. Thank God.

[@SammyCee23]

The best definition of Nature = That which selects

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

SeouL I’ve heard this before, what do you mean by select?

[@AminCad]

Select what survives: natural selection

[@matthewtaylor4453]

“As far as I can tell”

[@saymontang4840]

And women select ? Nature = Women.

[@codex_logos]

@Andy Delgado scary as fuck mang truedat

[@liberty-matrix]

*The eye's see and the ears hear, what the mind believes!*

[@NoCommonMeasure]

Mhmm Mhmm kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmK3i2useKupZtE

[@SolarTTauri]

I could listen to him speak for days.

[@9SmartSand6]

Funny...I find it difficult to listen to him for more than 15 minutes without my bullshit alarm going off.

[@CommandoIvan]

Stephen Macuch Why?

[@9SmartSand6]

He makes statements based on his own personal theories, conjectures, etc., as if they were established facts, He talks about us being influenced by inherent 'structures in our subconscious', particularly Jungian 'archetypes' as if these were real, objectively-existing things, not just the pet theories of one branch of psychological philosophy. The list goes on....

[@ryanrobin12]

Stephen Macuch this is not a quality that is unique to him. Every intellectuals’ philosophies and theories will generally be soaked in some degree of bias or presupposition

[@9SmartSand6]

Yes....I've noticed that is all too common. What started this 'reply chain' was the original commenter saying "I could listen to him speak for days". Jesus...if your sum of experiences is so devoid of meaningful moments or information....well.... good fucking luck finding real 'truth' in this rubbish.

[@prod.hxrford3896]

Nature; that which selects. Hence why mother nature is female. That felt mind-blowing not gonna lie

[@lordvoldemort4242]

I really appreciate this man imagine a world with majority of people having his intellect

[@ConnecttoSoul]

Thank you for all your dependable insight, influence and in addition enlightenment to support my exploration to becoming ever more consciously understanding coupled with spiritually connected.

[@stephenm3874]

The layering and intersection of perception wonderfully explained by a master. Add in random sampling in historical context and you get empirical reasoning. Awesome.

[@MatisBogdan]

'You have twice the female ancestors as you have male ancestors' - I think this is a remarkable statement of truth

[@fancyart7147]

In the future the ratio of women to men will be 50 to 1.

[@stephenowesney5173]

I actually can't mathematically piece this together. OH.... woah. I literally JUST got this . Ancestors doesn't mean you are directly offspring right? If it does then I still dont get it. Because to have offspring there must be man and women. It's binary relations. But if an uncle is an ancestor then I could see that being true if we have significant evidence that the amount of males that don't make it to the next generation greatly surpasses the amount of female that don't. Which hmm..not entirely sure that would be the case either. I'm sure it's something you could mathematically look into based on the exponentially of populations generation after generation but idk

[@pamelacharlet1436]

I 've told many people to listen to listen and learn for this great man. Jordan Peterson you're videos are one of my favorite parts of my day.

[@surearrow]

>> He is correct, I know a lot of people who have no brain and their still conscious.

[@9SmartSand6]

I've seen people who can type and they're still unaware of what correct grammar is.

[@ruburtoe1]

@@9SmartSand6 idk who they're, but their still conscious..

[@missionpupa]

@@9SmartSand6 ive seen people correct grammar, but dont understand it wasnt actually a grammatic error.

[@9SmartSand6]

'their' instead of 'they're' - yup...that's a grammar error. www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/there_their_theyre.htm

[@owencampbell4947]

I think the conversation is hitting up, because of they're errors in grammar. If there arguments are right but they're grammar is wrong, than day should go back two school. 9 months leighter.

[@stephenphelps920]

the wall is culture the garden is nature we always live in a structure didn't know JP was a rapper

[@thesoundpurist]

feeew, after 4-5 years of following J Peterson teachings, I now can relax and just insist with my attention at critical spots in his talk and easily organize the concept in my brains. I like to watch too the same talk a year later by accident just barely recalling it and feeling comfortable to assimilate more as I have an idea of the whole conceptual structure of the topic

[@808goblin9]

He is dropping so much deep knowledge in seconds its like when i wanna think about the thinks he says i have to go deeper and deeper and deeper but he already started saying something completely else. Gotta love jp ❤️

[@DannyPluto.]

This one flew over my head. I quite understand the premise. Need to rewatch

[@danzigvssartre]

What is consciousness and how is it related to brain structure? 14:00 Peterson: We don’t know.

[@ChristofferEricsater]

danzigvssartre 😂 every textbook say the same thing at about 3/4 into the content! Maybe they became conscious at that time, realizing they unconsciously been babbling about things no one got an answers to and so summarizes up the last 1/4 before they conclude to the same question everyone started with, what is conscious?!

[@ruburtoe1]

Which is the best, honest way to leave people considering/contemplating the info put forth, and the way it was put forth; to discover why and how.

[@thewaterwarrior9817]

Lol pineal gland maybe?

[@is-it-too-late1021]

hahaha

[@stevekiley6121]

@@thewaterwarrior9817 So a part of the brain explains consciousness? Then you have to have a part of the part of the brain and so on and so on, till you get a homunculus which is a little version of yourself and then you have to have a little brain inside the homunculus with something like that part of the brain and so on... This way of thinking is logically absurd.

[@ildart8738]

Dr Peterson. Blowing up my brain since 2016.

[@MoStip]

Thank you 😊

[@marcus8710]

13:00 Revelation as to the mechanism behind "satisfying", "fits perfectly", kinds of sensations. When the felt or imagined click or slide-into-place occurs just as the sound and simultaneously the emergence of a new, usually artistic pattern, the whole brain shares in the moment as a sudden music-from-noise experience and it's 'satisfying'

[@shadowling77777]

Marcus Strickland Yup

[@q7wasp7]

Mother's day 2022 - - - - I just sent this link to a friend of mine with kids. I hope she watches it with them.

[@soulmuzings8844]

Great video!! found you through suggested videos. I just started a KZbin Channel not long ago and very interested in the human evolution and spirituality topic. Keep following your passion and creating great content. Sending you good vibes and lots of love 💖

[@pickywolf2728]

Love him ! ❤️

[@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808]

8:04 That is the first time I've heard sight described as "feeling the light," but in hindsight, it does make perfect sense.

[@KodeStreet]

Freethinkers Politics/discussion you feel the high beams from the vehicle coming towards you.

[@fredrikh9299]

Jordan and Harari are human treasures! These kinds of intellects are the hope for human prosperity.

[@eneveasi]

That was one of the best videos I've seen

[@aerdon0856]

Wow, that bit about the almost impossibility of dissociation of sensory from motor and therefore imvalidates the idea of "blank slate"-which professors and classmates of mine in Sociology really holds on to-is amazing！

[@makaylahollywood3677]

Love this guy.

[@mitchelleverett4634]

Powerful 14+ minutes here by Peterson. Lot of content fit into a short amount of time

[@NoCommonMeasure]

I agree with you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmK3i2useKupZtE

[@ryanwiggs594]

those last couple sentences are so chilling

[@Meditation409]

That was really cool! His last statement of having little to no brain at all ...and to still be conscious! Mind blowing. Makes me think of non duality. 💯

[@VeritableSmorgasbord]

14 minutes later, I realize the title said consciousness, not conscientiousness.

[@JohnDoe-jn4ex]

Thanks so much for your time and consideration in this information for the seeds in your mind and want my friend to get seed. thanks so much and have a wonderful holiday season and have a great weekend too. I will give you a heads up that I will be there in the world and I feel lucky! thanks so much for your help with this matter to me but I don't get off on ur mom.

[@johnwiltshire8763]

WOW! This makes me very impressed with … Myself! I can actually take in: Concepts, philosophies, data, logical conclusion and even stuff that doesn't yet have a name at this kind of Gatling Gun rate of fire. I love It. This fellow is a star of the first order. Even the arm waving is co-ordinated and information rich! Multi-modality at it's best.

[@outsidethepyramid]

how can I explain this to anyone in the office tomorrow?

[@j-dog7767]

Just came from Jordan’s lectures and now I’m thinking about consciousness and I find this video. I just hit the jackpot!

[@willy4129]

Such a brilliant mind

[@teresanolivo4075]

people hate him because they can't stand that over all for the most part he's correct. Common sense very seldom is wrong.

[@Alienrun]

@Omni Chaos Jordan Peterson didn't title the video dude... Think next time you type a comment out! :P

[@stevekiley6121]

Common sense? The earth is flat, everything goes round the Earth. It might be common, but it isn't sense.

[@mw3051]

this guy is good. i would like to study under him.

[@davidlakhter]

Really interesting

[@tenseyy]

amazing

[@DGP406]

this is a ridiculously high level lecture

[@DJdude250]

So Conscientiousness is the ability to compose objective truth through the subjective truths of multiple realities outside your own. And then let it not cross reference with your subjective flaws. The foundation for reason. Thank you

[@ryanvess6162]

During my first psylocibin mushroom trip I became very aware of how well our brains suppress background noise, as my air conditioner became the center of my attention driving me out into the world where I encountered noises I could no longer block from the forefront of my thoughts. For anyone intending to embark on this journey I recommend the Terrence Mckenna school of thought. Silent darkness.

[@ivanbarbosa81]

brilliance

[@alexseverance6752]

He’s the only reason I want to go to Canada.

[@clickpwn]

I was so confused throughout the video about understanding consciousness and I did not get half the things he was talking about and I was thinking I would fail this class if I took it. Then in the end he said we really have hard time understanding what consciousness is.

[@ThatPimpOverThere]

"you put a snake in a garden and its the first damn thing we're gonna talk to" ahahahah!

[@nyworker]

You have two hemispheres because the human body and sensorimotor system is bifurcated. Both hemispheres were unknowing but language developed dominance in one hemispheres, the left and the right retained language related pattern recognition.

[@sevenertentainment7126]

Absolutely amazing lecture. Consciusness isn't in brain only.. what it says about one of death definition, which says that in medical way death is 'brain death'? It's worth deeper reflexion. Also, when Professor said this thing about smell is collerated with emotions.. I got very emotional, because I reminded myself, (like I did many times) about my ex-partner smell from the past.. very interesting, and calming experience :)

[@davidkatuin4527]

It's an interesting view. Of course this is limited. I do think breaking down the systems is a must in order to understand some of the basic functions and how they integrate. Thanks for the vid.

[@pseudointellectualmanlet842]

There is a default/natural mode in which you divert attention towards in the environment from receiving info from it, that's why for instance men's default eye attention is more depth, and women's default eye attention is more peripheral.

[@ericcopenhaver]

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 11 Thirty spokes share the wheel's hub; It is the center hole that makes it useful. Shape clay into a vessel; It is the space within that makes it useful. Cut doors and windows for a room; It is the holes which make it useful. Therefore profit comes from what is there; Usefulness from what is not there. What are the 'spaces within' that make the brain useful...?

[@HardRockMiner]

Jordan Peterson is another great Canadian. He is on the same list as: - Wayne Gretzky... - Terry Fox... - Alexander Graham Bell... - Jesus... ;)

[@goromaster10]

Jesus?

[@shanesullivan4699]

Turn it up. Please!!!

[@whoami8434]

Everything he said was so... Interesting

[@rickwyant]

Jordan just yaks on and on. Lots of big words, nothing new just rehashing old thoughts and ideas. Oh yeah, he's the latest intellectual craze.

[@whoami8434]

At least his hand gestures are interesting

[@spades5039]

@@rickwyant sounds about what every teacher does so nothing wrong with that

[@NoelMckinney]

Pratyahara and Samadhi are what you say cannot be done. In these states, consciousness can recognize itself.

[@mingonmongo1]

Would like to see JP address the notion of the Right/Left hemisphere 'split brain', where the unconscious Right Hemisphere sends emotional cues to the conscious Left Hemisphere, which 'interprets' and translates it into 'action'.

[@iqbalassyraf5058]

I always imagine him as Quentin Tarantino's antagonist.

[@artygunnar]

Lol wtf?????

[@artygunnar]

What if QT is Peterson's antagonist

[@artygunnar]

Or, do you mean you imagine peterson as a villain in a tarantino movie? Hail the Lobster!!!

[@emilau11]

Existence on every level is a constant cycle of low resolution, high resolution, then back to low resolution again.

[@brandomiranda6703]

Id love to read the citations for this lecture

[@thomasgarman6353]

Hey I just made a book review for affective Neuroscience! Check it out. I have my notes of the book attached by a google docs. (I'm a neuroscience major): kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ2YY51nlN6SarM&ab_channel=ThomasGarman

[@marksurfblue]

I would have traded my crappy MBA degree (and the stupid price tag that came with it) for just listening and learning from this guy on youtube! never disappointed...thank you.

[@XOPOIIIO]

You can remove a big part of cortex and person still will have consciousness is because consciousness is distributed over the whole cortex. So no matter how much of it you will remove you still will have a remaining part of consciousness that will work the same way. If you remove a visual area, a person will stop seeing, but he wouldn't know that, because his remaining parts of consciousness never experienced seeing anyway, and he wouldn't feel any difference.

[@kentnimmo7369]

you would know that you can no longer see because awareness of vision and the idea of vision connects to many other places like language. you may have difficulty remembering what it was like tho.

[@joerussell2752]

Being conscience of your consciousness subconscious and superconscious. Physical mental and spiritual

[@jaredvernon5983]

You use a laptop to record it and set it up so you can hit a key to mark key parts of the conversation. Keep in mind you got to pay attention in order for that to work. Which has also work for many of people without the laptop in the past.

[@jenniferhill8776]

For college students, I have the following ? When I did liberal arts, one psych class was required. I don't recall any of the psychologists JP mentions in this video in my text books. Can anyone taught in college in the 2000s to date attest to learning of these psychologists he's referenced? Or any psychology majors? I'm not talking at the master's or graduate/phd level. Thank you!

[@thisguyisyummy]

can someone give the link towards the cronbach & nehl paper he was talking about?

[@bretnetherton9273]

Awareness is known by awareness alone.

[@maxonmendel5757]

What his video about autism where he talks about how cows and other animals cant abstract out information and then watch this. Peterson explains consciousness so well in under 60 seconds. Consciousness is fundamentally the ability to encounter and process chaos.

[@abhiramababa]

Amazing how many people in the comments do not realize that Jordan Peterson just basically proved that you are the soul.

[@mikesacco641]

Mark Solms the neuropsychoanalyst gives a very good insight into this topic

[@theunamed2039]

As usual. Every time I watch a JP video there is a misleading title. Interesting nonetheless but shame on you for click bait titles

[@Larry000]

Consciousness is the dynamic balance of neuron signals.

[@Airbourne92]

How do you know if someone is conscious after removing parts of their brain? How do you measure consciousness in these tests? and how do you know people with almost no brain left aren't just indistinguishable from 'normal' people by their acting, but have lost parts of their consciousness nevertheless?

[@kueapel911]

In my opinion consciousness defined here means one's ability as an observer to not only observe but to be able to articulate ideas into reality and by doing it, create something from the world of potential into an abstracted being or matter. Which is true if we look into the cases where people stay conscious and alive for decades even after half or some part of their brain removed, but I too wonder with the "no brain" part because there would be no brain activity to detect in that case and they'd be dead.

[@shanebaird543]

There is consciousness in everything including rocks. There are just levels of awarwness.

[@gardenboundbylove2193]

@@kueapel911 That abstracted being or matter comes from a place designated from the pattern preceding its existence. The entity would have chosen this outside of time in a co-operative creating with the Creator. It's being is no random occurrence, but it's not perfect as these is no judgment beyond the subjective judgment. All come to the light, the time away is up to the being experiencing.

[@gardenboundbylove2193]

...forgot to add in that it's not perfect because of the judgment in the subjective sense, which comes from the illusion of separateness. Of course existence is perfect.

[@roberthelmeczi8246]

The best studies were done in Russia on Brian damaged soldier s who hade half their brains destroyed and even more and they could function as if they hade while brain in less than a year with movement and iq trainig

[@dorohedoro1424]

which series?

[@Moli571]

maps of meaning

[@codex_logos]

This dude is a real one.. this is education, every and anyone that listens to this will learn @least 1thing.. I know that I did, lots actually.. we shld treasure this man, similar to Terence mckenna a mind like that with untold amounts of knowledge and skills with language and finally public speaking.. as I said j.peterson is a real one, glad we had this chat peace x

[@veronicalopes8948]

I had conversation with Elon Musk I find he is interesting person got good heart in him and I know he is in contact with you Dr Jordan B Peterson I enjoy him rich guy feels good to see him of having king style as God kind of nature got fast mind thanks

[@justmemother2]

It always made me wonder from high school to college why the teachers sped up their roll. What the hell is the hurry?

[@klnmn3722]

He mentions that you can remove most of the brain and people are still conscious. Anyone know what study/studies he's referring to here?

[@terceirojogador]

Metaphysis, more like aristotelian studies of the soul and rational faith, he explains how soul and faith is related to human intelligence and consciousness, because well, you see, there are experiments showing that some apes can learn sign language and other animals can perform intelligent tasks, but not a single organism besides human beings have shown a sign of consciouness, not even AI, because you know, a program works following and completing logical tasks followed by a pattern inside a basis of pré directioned actions, like animals, animals will always have a wild side because of their lack of consciouness, the same can be applied to a machine specially an IA even if it have been built with machine learning, it will never be as intuitive and conscious as a human being, that's where the idea of "soul" have come from

[@solbanan]

Yes but I’m on my phone so I can’t link them. One example is rather old in children with hydrotencephalon(?) done by a Swedish researcher

[@johnterry6541]

Misleading title. Every time I hear Dr Peterson, it feels like he packages his messages so densely and compactly that it resembles a mental concrete slab pushed from all sides to its limit by bulldozers. Tougher than diamond.

[@Damn-Age]

Am I the only one who thinks the video ended where it was not supposed to end. I mean Peterson did give a brief about consciousness but I think he was going to actually define it in later minutes.

[@craignedoff991]

Where are you dr Peterson? The old world is ending, and we need good leaders to guide us to the new world.

[@stephenowesney5173]

I think consciousness it's more about the emergent patterns across structures rather than structures themselves. I've seen the "source code" of my conscious stream in action. If you are able to do that it gets applied to itself and is fractal in nature. I believe consciousness is a recursive process, sort of like we are stuck in a while loop that constantly receives inputs, processes that input into output, and returns some of the output back into the input, based on the very complex interconnected circuitry of the brain, with impulses overloading certain hierarchies based on unimaginably complex matricies of conditions, things hooked up across the body everywhere. I want to my life to investigating these things in a more detailed, concrete and scientific way.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

How does that fit in with the cases of low cortex composition though? Wouldnt conciousness cease to be a thing without the whole brain working as a unit as it is supposed to? If it is emergent from its smaller processes that is.

[@stephenowesney5173]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 actually it seems you can remove a significant amount of brain structure whilst maintaining consciousness. There are some key brain regions such as The thalamus and claustrum that are more central to the process. Like you can think of it as the brain "grew" up from the spinal cord evolutionarily so those low structures close to the spinal cord are more important for the most basic of functioning and as you go radially outward from that point up towards the Cortex and also towards the front of the head where the eyes are it becomes more complex cognitive processes that are not as necessary for survival. Consciousness seems to be a loop or circuit that juggles information throughout the cortex from and back to the thalamus.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

@@stephenowesney5173 I mean that would be a fine explanation if the original posit wasnt that conciousness is emergent. From many processes coexisting. But now it sounds like your saying the lower grade structures are actually what is responsible for it, and the other structures are unnecessary to form basic subjective experience. Those structures only add additional input, rather than being a pool art of what generates concious being.

[@stephenowesney5173]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 uhh I'm saying there are of course structures that perform micro computation and then structures that control, operate and modulate upon those available built computational "machines". So of course there are regions that just add detail to sensory processing like you said and parents structures that operate upon those mechanisms. I don't see how anything Ive said detracts from the posit that consciousness is an emergent phenomenon. I mention the thalamus, claustrum, and just thinking if another called the default mode network, because these are large scale processing centers and/or networks of processing centers that seem to be most involved in consciousness. Like the thalamus for example, integrates and filters sensory information from all distinct processing regions and is constantly sending that information up through the basal ganglia and to the cortex and then recycled back through again. I'm saying consciousness is like the music that arises out if an orchestra rather than one or even all of the instruments individually or even within context. It's about the song they are playing I mean it's literally all frequencies of electrochemical feedback loops, on the large scale, so the analogy makes sense to me but sorry if it's odd

[@stephenowesney5173]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 So I just reread your last comment. I am not saying that the lower structures are responsible for consciousness. I'm saying that no single structure is responsible but rather just a component of. The lower structures are absolutely integral for breathing, keeping your heart breathing, metabolism, things you don't consciously control they are already quite perfect. I'm saying there are some structures more responsible for the entire picture of consciousness than others. Like the neural network that analyzes visual edges in your brain is very important for your consciousness. But the thalamus is sort of like what models all of your sensations in space and time, it's a hub for the information and then consciousness seems to be more about the LOOPING of brain circuitry, like a circuit. Like jordan peterson says it's a constantly loop between sensory input and motor output.

[@DukeOfEarl88]

All of that... and his conclusion? 14:14 “so... yeah.”

[@science1941]

We failed the 'Test' in the Garden. Thank-G*D we are still with him.

[@fakeplastic1826]

Oh. My. God. I need to fix his collar/lapel!!!

[@Mrfailstandstil]

and... now I want to do it too😫😫😩😩😭😭

[@kelleyknapp1499]

Fake Plastic might be a good name for you. Who cares what his lapel looks like he makes sense.

[@Shreymani2]

i need to watch Peterson in 1.5x instead of 2x

[@Johny40Se7en]

Consciousness is awareness, awareness is consciousness 😉 If certain industries of this Planet had their way, consciousness would cease to exist.

[@edmor1086]

Will this be on the test?

[@therallaghans3661]

Nietzsche has a short essay at the beginning of the gay science about consciousness. He basically says that consciousness is the latest human trick, so it is still evolving and that is what makes it tricky. In Latin the phrase is 'in statue nascendi' in the state of being born.

[@soulsuccess]

No poison, No paradise...

[@czaringring]

The only question I have about this lecture is when he said that human females are the only species who are picky with their mates. But it is true how in most species, the female picks the alpha male from the more passive males. I'm a huge fan of Jordan Peterson but I just want to know what he was trying to say with that

[@macgrecoperaltechery4598]

He should play Ford in westworld.

[@durranikhan47]

Good one

[@Mrfailstandstil]

Kinda dropped the show after first season, should I continue or it goes downhill from there?