Jordan Peterson - Why Being Creative Is Problematic And Even A Curse

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Don't be thinking, that creativity is such a good thing. It's a high-risk/high-return strategy. So if you're creative... You guys are going to have a hell of a time monetizing your creativity. It's virtually impossible. It's really, really difficult.
Because, first of all, let's say you make an original product.
You think the world will be the pathway to your door, if you build a better mousetrap. It's like, that's complete rubbish. It isn't- it isn't true in the least....Jordan Peterson - Why Being Creative Is Problematic And Even A Curse
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[@trinity3422]

Creativity is a curse just as much as it is a blessing. People love to see your creativity come to life but people that are more creative minded tend to suffer from mental disorders as well

[@cd4playa1245]

I can attest to this lol! I’m a writer and I have horrible depression.

[@scubathehun]

Found that’s out the hard way . Still wouldn’t trade my art for anything else.

[@appletherapy3492]

@@cd4playa1245 Same

[@yklls1452]

just like left ppl

[@ABC-yt1nq]

Bat shit crazy here chiming in. Not motivated by money in any way. Not a merchant. Will never be "successful" as many people define success. And the inherent conflict in trying to make a living tends to really mess with my creativity, and can and has led to some really unhealthy behaviours.

[@tzeccentric7848]

Art that never hangs, books that never get published, songs that never reach the mouths of a choir. The world is dangerous, no doubt, but nothing is more painful than to see your bird stuck in a cage!

[@thesweetscentofplum]

This poem (is it?) is lowkey good.... I think you're talented as you are 😗💕

[@bigtay522]

That is quite lovely.. I'm stealing it

[@loveycat5474]

But many times it is discovered after their death. Prince is a great example. People have found music that has never been presented to the public. Just after his death his family discovered these songs and putting them on you tube and making new albums. The dream and talent lives on even after death.💜💜

[@calebray4168]

First time I’ve ever heard someone put it like that…

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Exactly. I wanna use what I have to make something the world can appreciate. I just don’t even remotely know where to start or how to properly harness the skill I have

[@haneul4164]

Being creative AND sensitive in this competitive and utilitarian world is definitely a curse

[@hd-be7di]

Having a high level of perception is a gift and a curse all at once... depending from the environment. Imagine you're a great white shark top apex predator... but you're on land. Or a mighty lion in the middle of the ocean. Being in the wrong place or environment is the main problem

[@starwarsdocumented]

Is it not the nature of all things to be somewhat cursed? Love comes with heartbreak. Success comes with sacrifice. If one is so foolhardy to believe that most things are universally, good and bad, then they will surely be forced to fall to learn this lesson. I am not saying that there is beauty in this world, for this place a place we call the universe is at such a delicate balance and can be controlled by our will.(life/quantum physics) We must pursue in face of the obstacles which force us to the ground. For the ability to be crushed and get up again, is a gift in itself and whilst one is being crushed, they should take heed of that. For if you can weather the greatest storms and rebuild then the next storms will not look as bad and you might just sale through this world. But those are just my ramblings, hope you don’t mind. I wrote quite a bit.

[@ThePalatineHill]

truth

[@FriendofDorothy]

No it's not. It's glorious. I've been both creative and sensitive my whole adult life and it's a joy. And yes, I kept my day job throughout the writing and demo-making of many songs and books both. 5 commercially released cuts of my songs, 2 books traditionally published and 4 more self-published. I don't do the "tortured artist" thing; it's an old and tired stereotype. I worked a full time job that paid decently for 34 years and did my creative stuff on the side. Songwriting royalties were great when the music industry had a tangible product to sell, not as great now in the "streaming" era. Book royalties are better if one is self-published; if you sign with some small publisher just so you can say you have a "publisher" they take 50% of your royalties and don't have the means or staff to promote or market your work. They simply make it available online... which you can do yourself. The use of the word "curse" in this video is both melodramatic and not reflective of my personal experience. What's really a "curse" is working some robotic job and having to deal with the same crappy people and authoritarian "managers" and "supervisors" on the job for years and at the end of it all realizing you never even tried to share your creative talents with anyone. Disagree if you will, but my creative work is my legacy as a human being regardless of how many people buy it. It's as much about expressing oneself as it is about royalties. Also, if you come from abuse or trauma as I did, there is no better therapy!

[@mikeshvedov6981]

Imagine that like in Russia or Uganda

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

I think the more creative you are the more likely you are to deal with depression. Seeing the world through what it could be as opposed to what it is often leads to dissatisfaction.

[@jeffdamon3444]

This my friend is correct.

[@taranbirsingh2927]

Well said.

[@JDog2656]

Are you supposed to just accept it without even trying?

[@ke7cat]

Well,said this me. Depression has dogged me for decades

[@sashabrook4278]

INFP here 😢

[@danielpotyok7446]

Being intelligent and highly creative often results in being very divided, unfocused and having a difficult time settling on a direction. Often the people who appear to be very successful aren't people who possess any of the qualities typically associated with success, they're just simple people who decided their direction in life early and they focused all of their effort on that singular goal. Especially in the age of the "new elitism" many intelligent people waste a large portion of their lives to becoming institutionalized zombies as they get bogged down in the mire of academia rather than pursuit of their ambitions. I would advise any young person, get only as much schooling as is required for you to have the credential to support yourself in a career you feel is worthwhile. Once you're there, continue to educate yourself in pursuit if your ambitions.

[@chigoville2660]

Story of my life summarised by a random KZbinr 😪🤧

[@bsherman8236]

This is being efficient with your time and energy

[@MarkusAxunIllianus]

Exactly my thoughts. So very true.

[@FireFeather214]

Preach

[@apatheticeye6955]

My problem is i have no ambitions. I have nothing I feel like I can do other than sleep and write😅

[@ElectricBikeReview]

He speaks the truth! I lived in my car for two years on $20k to get my business going, then worked another three breaking even. I'm at 10 years now and the company works alright, but I spent many of my highest earning potential years taking the risk to do this... it works best long term if you love it, believe in it, or think it's important for the world.

[@capcadoi]

You would have regretted it if you hadn't done it.

[@bemnetsileshi5222]

I’m

[@bemnetsileshi5222]

I’m

[@someuser7587]

Whats your business about? This might be a good way to advertise it🤷🏻‍♂️

[@SilentNinjaaa]

@@someuser7587 I believe it’s in their user name lol

[@LowKeyPorter]

As a creative I can’t lie, I’m a bit jealous of people who want simple things that are reasonable and practical; graduating from school and using the degree to secure a job in that field.

[@ismaelxil8709]

Wait, if you are a creative and I'm creative. Am I you or am I a me?

[@undecidedcontent2080]

Agreed. I envy my nephew for being happy living in the same place with family, doing a job and hanging around with his fiance, inheriting the house and just being content with working and such his whole life. I just can't.

[@slothypunk]

@@undecidedcontent2080 If you can't maybe you have issues? There is a thin line between crazy and creative sometimes, and only your end result will determine if you are creative, or just plain crazy! That is all I am saying.

[@skyjeanne7232]

Same

[@TacticalNuke321]

If you have a God given gift to be creative, then why would you be jealous of people who were apparently only born to pay their bills and die at old age? I have more respect for the creative one who lives a not so easy life than the ordinary one who only works to make his life easy for himself because society forces him to. You have the ability to contribute in a way that most others can’t.

[@sayarieastsounds]

I pray that every creative person who's watched this video...will remain motivated to pursue their path....one thing he forgot to mention is that nothing happens by coincidence....you wouldn't be given the creative gift if you were not meant to use it in the world...otherwise why would it be given to you?? Love and light to everyone!!💯💥🙏

[@nameis9692]

Thank you!!

[@rickyplay8]

He is so pragmatic

[@nameis9692]

@Victor Spoils God will bless you soon...

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@Victor Spoils I’m with you there.

[@legobrickabrac]

For music producers or singers , you get the popular channel youtubers says things like "Anyone can make music" or "anyone can learn to sing" but that's a lie created to keep more people watching there content. My mum or My sisters or most of My friends cant and never will make music or ever be able to sing and to say they can is ridicules.

[@Joesire]

That last part he said about finding a way to make money and then doing your creative venture on the side is really important. Sooo many people I know have ruined their lives chasing a dream that turns into a nightmare.

[@dominicbrogsdale3348]

Yeah i write books and luckily i found a job to were i can sit and write because it cost a lot of 💰

[@Joesire]

@@dominicbrogsdale3348 In actually just starting to write. Its something ive been wanting to do for a long time. You say it cost a lot of money? How is this venture going for you?

[@dominicbrogsdale3348]

@@Joesire ok awesome man stay at it! If you remmeber me lol Id like to see some of your stuff when it produced and yeah man ( I'll say for me ) I write inner city short stories and I hired and editor / consult ! I go through two edits and a re-read and that can cost ( depends on the word count of the story ) $1000 - $2000 dollars , then I have a photo man so we drive around the city and that's 35$ an hour , then I have artist ( hand artist ) and I get about 5 to 10 drawings done and that can cost 250$ to $500 a pop for each sheet. So altogether for one book I'm looking at 7000$ to 10000$ !!!!! YEAH!!! so im bustn my behind at work to get the money for my books! i dont wanna sell people TRASH! so the editor is to make sure my work is top notch , and the art is to make the book POP and bring it to life ( and I love art lol )! But thanks for asking it going good and working on the third book now I have one more short story , then the art work and it will be out maybe around march or april! dominicryanbrogsdale.com is my website if you choose to cheek it out and BEST TO YOU MAN KEEP WRITING!!!

[@5Demona5]

I love sewing and designing, and often I've dreamed of having my own line. But I work as a seamstress, and I see all the effort needed to have a functional clothing business..... I think I'll stick to making clothes for myself and people in my circle

[@matthiasbenjaminsson]

I have also heard that you should go all in because it is so hard to make it financially from creativity. And I don’t want to go to a job I don’t like for most of my time and then only spend a small percentage of my time doing the thing that I want to do.

[@saraidempsey3152]

Creativity is more lucrative for the individual once the artist decides to let go of the idea of making money from it or using your art as a means. Art is a necessity for my mental health- so when someone wants to buy something- that's an added bonus to the accomplishment of a finished piece.

[@benjaminholt6640]

I learned this from the pandemic. When the grind slowed I became way happier and got better at my art. Now I'm making money again but with a new perspective.

[@arkhammemery4712]

I suppose that’s why engineers are paid more. Their dreams shape tomorrow

[@saraidempsey3152]

@@arkhammemery4712 true to some degree (I'm sure more than one person works on a given building) but I'm not an engineer. Though "regular" garden variety art has value- I mean we would know very little about history without the art left behind on ancient structures and so forth. I guess it just depends who you ask. Though we dont really make building's like we used to anymore- those ancient structures are still standing and can take a beating. These new buildings- not so much. ^.^

[@arkhammemery4712]

@@saraidempsey3152 Ma'am you paint on your face. Engineers put humanity on the moon. But please, continue boasting about your latest finger painting

[@sirkayda7205]

No! I need to do "This" not "Something Else" and live a disappointing life.

[@brandonlee8822]

He treads the line with being realistic and pessimistic. He finished well with keeping your day job and working on your dream on the side but Jordan was being a complete dream crusher. You don’t have to do things the way others have done it. If you’re talented enough, determined enough, and motivated enough….you can blaze your own trail.

[@KidFMX]

Yeah dude sounds like a goofball cause he prolly had an idea that didn’t “make it”. He sounds like a hater

[@GarikaiGumbo]

@@KidFMXhis future authoring program is literally being used by multiple 1000s of people all over the world 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@GarikaiGumbo]

Congrats for completely missing the point

[@Larsgman]

It helps to be pessimistic because it includes a healthy dose of being realistic. Being an entrepreneur is a very huge financial risk. The message you should believe in isn’t to abandon chasing your dreams, but to keep getting back up because the world will never stop trying to beat you down.

[@marcuspvo5280]

As a fellow creative we often times need a dose of reality to get our heads on straight. I've been doing voiceover for almost 4yrs now and I'm just now starting to see returns from it and I'm considered "talented" with good voice and acting range. Its tough, but you figure out a way to make it work. Even if it means making it a side job until its your main gig. Don't get me wrong I love what I do, I love creating and just found writing. But all of that takes time and time is money so be wise with your time and money.

[@theastroslav]

He is spot on. I have been an aspiring inventor since I was 5 and it has been rough on the heart. Nothing is as frustrating as having an idea everyone around you thinks is great and supports you/cheers you on but you have no resources, time, nor capital to get the wheels turning. I think he left one big issue with being creative in this world and that’s paying the bills while trying to pursue your passion. Jobs suck all the motivation and creativity right out of you on a day to day basis and unfortunately it takes about a day (Saturday) to recuperate it back…leaving just one day of good work unless you have other obligations. It is hard work to overcome that, but if you’re struggling my personal advice is try to have a non 0% day. Even if you put 2 bucks in the wish jar for that $1,000,000 idea you’re making progress. If you’re programming at least put some comments in describing what you want the code to do, even better if you can guess the syntax before researching into it. If you’re writing a book, do short stories first that you can dish out in a small manner and build a portfolio/get raw ideas out for refinement. If you’re developing a physical product, which I find to be the hardest, I cannot recommend a 3D printer enough. Your product may be metal or wood, but the rapid prototyping with a well calibrated 3D printer will save you gallons of time as you can print while doing chores or go to work if you trust it. The key is to not stare at the mountain when you’re climbing, but to stare at the next foot hold/anchor.

[@kurtismiller2601]

Hopefully by now you have created a 3D digital animation of it.

[@EdVanMeyer]

I get this, I love to invent things and sometimes see someone has got there first! but one day you will be the originator that comes up with the big idea first! Just keep doing it.

[@zepho100]

Inventing is useless. You have to create something which can be commercialized this is innovation. Invention x commercialization = innovation. Otherwise you’re just a tinkerer or inventor and that’s mostly useless.

[@singularmusing970]

I was about to make my rebuttal till I heard him at the end. He said exactly what I do. This is the only way. Also, what I create, I do not care for recognition. I do it for the sake of making one forget about their concerns. If I can make just one person feel, even for a moment. That is the reward. I let my energy speak for itself.

[@ivanmatamoros95]

Hey, would you mind sharing some of it?🤘🏽

[@watamutha]

Yeah I'm the same. I feel like doing it for money would kill the inspiration and enjoyment. But if I don't do anything creative it would feel like I'm dying inside.

[@Seraphim_skateboards]

Hell yeah man, I love making videos on my channel even tho I’m not famous or the best at it I love to create my own version of my interests🔥🤙🏻

[@singularmusing970]

@@ivanmatamoros95 if I do, that contradicts my beliefs. 😏

[@radikalbeats]

you and a million like you

[@kirill2525]

and this is why so many peoplw are depressed, they just cant function as a cog in a system, especially knowing they could be doing soo much with their lives instead of wasting it making others richer

[@micindir4213]

@@fakereality4546 for more primitive societies , individual function specifically like a cog. There's no denying of the arranged marriage, no you cannot say no to circumicision. You have to build a house for your relative , otherwise you're out in the wild (death). It's the stability of roles that contributes to lesser neurotism and constant shifting of roles in modern society that makes people depressed.

[@turtleanton6539]

Right

[@edwardharvey7687]

As a creative, I have never seen my creativity as a curse. There have been times where my creativity has brought me praise and lucrative employment opportunities, as well as romantic encounters. The most depressing situation is where I am unable to create. Who says one has to create a company to fulfill one’s creative urges? I have used companies that I worked for, and their products that I have had a hand in designing, to express my creative ideas. Thus allowing my ideas to come to fruition on someone else’s dime. There are plenty of people without creativity who are willing to pay for the creativity of others. In musical acts it is the songwriters who make the most money. In engineering and science it is the more creative individuals who rise to prominence.

[@beckst3r]

agreed. Jordan gives too much of a cherry-picked pessimistic take on creativity

[@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641]

@@beckst3r I rather be addicted to my creativity than being addicted to 💊like I was in my past it's a 🎁to me and a talent.

[@General_Griffin]

Severely unappreciated take on this. Why make the assumption that we must obtain meaningless wealth from our creations or creative expressions in order to be content? The idea is absurd.

[@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641]

@@General_Griffin so we can start our business bro ✅ out my channel I'm highly intelligent creative af.Learn from the best tommy Sotomayor this man taught me common sense and creativity were both talented.

[@HoshPak]

This! I've been doing this in the setting of public service which is probably the most stable career one can pursue. And given how bad public IT Infrastructure is it's the perfect canvas for me to fulfill my desire to create and leave a memorable mark in society. Compare that to a private company where yes, you do make more money, however you barely get any time to spend it because if their spreadsheet says you are X amount under the quotient of employee performance you are send back to the streets. I gladly trade that money for absolute security so I can follow my dreams and passions on the side.

[@immercallisto3798]

I am creative and it’s been hard. I’m a writer and a digital artist. I had to separate the both, which one I love more and decided I’ll focus on my fantasy writing. I created a business and had to put money into it, then I ended up broke, so I had to find a 9 to 5 job as my emergency support. As a creative person living a repetitive cycle is incredibly hard, especially since I am bipolar and my moods are hard to keep still. I’ve never been capable of staying still in one place, so I left the job and decided to temp . Eventually, I used my degree for education. It’s been a hard journey. And I can only hope that one day it gets better. This is the advice I’m going to give everyone especially the young. If you are multi creative focus on one , stop thinking which makes more money, just focus on the one that brings you happiness. And when a year passes and nothing has moved… continue, and continue, and continue. DO NOT give up, because it is consistency of the mind and action that will help you achieve your dreams. To all my creative fellows, I wish you luck in this bumpy yet lovely journey. -with

[@leonardbigali1352]

I'm so blessed.

[@appleid3223]

Hey, I want to be your first fan.

[@Jaa_morant]

No, I guess sometimes it’s better to not continue if things fall apart.

[@gwynn2528]

If there was any era to be "creative" this is it. Everyone I know who puts in the time has seen successful. The age of the internet has been massively good for artists/creative people. Go out there and conquer.

[@Otto-Just]

Do the people you know also create NFTs and digital art

[@geewiz8253]

@@Otto-Just Does it matter what type of creatives he knows? Really?.....

[@gwynn2528]

@@Otto-Just Oh dang, I think my response to you got the delete button. It might have been because I said a place where you could go to find some cool work as a NFT and digital artist. Anyway, to sum up what got deleted, I work with a lot of Indie comics and so most of the success I see in the art field is there. But the place I tried to link looks for a lot of digital and the occasional NFTs for advertising movies and products. Its a lot of fun and anyone can enter.

[@theedguiTOR]

Not true

[@Otto-Just]

I find that there are more people who are not artists creating art and becoming successful.

[@jfilm7466]

Jordan described my life. It is almost soul destroying, especially when people can't understand the idea and then eight years later it's out on the market and selling like hotcakes.

[@rolltide7120]

Like what?

[@user-pq6mr6op3p]

Whatever....

[@micindir4213]

Ideas are free. You either DIY it or make other people do it for you. So high talk is cool and all, but it's just talk. Take ARM vs x86. Many tried to put ARM mainstream, some had mild success, but it took apple to really make it front and center. ARM is 70ies idea. It took at least a decade of talk before anything real emerged.

[@robertespinoza12]

@@micindir4213 RPI

[@talscriver5870]

25 years ago when I was reaching drinking age I had an idea to make cocktails in a can and sell it at the beer store. Those things simply did not exist in the 90s. Now look at today…they’re everywhere. I actually started to work on this but couldn’t even figure out where I would buy the empty cans.

[@SlobZombie]

Absolutely the Truth. I can say 100%, as a person who's always chased the creative path in life , that every thing he said is spot on. It's really a rude awakening to realize that most famous or successful artists (musician,painter,actors,etc) are connected through family or friends to other highly successful, influential people. Its ALOT about who you know. Money tends to stay in select social circles

[@Quark.Lepton]

Why must we “monetize” and “market” everything? I write and record music, I paint, I write, I sculpt. Someone might think I’m good and some will say I suck-so what? I do it because I enjoy doing it for myself. I hate to think of the number of people that stop trying because someone told them they can never monetize/market things they’ve created. If ‘marketability’ is the criterion by which we judge ‘creativity’ then we’ve just made the world suck even more and are helping to rob it of possibly priceless works of art.

[@anastasiamurawski6179]

Amen!!! Give it away. Screw the all mighty dollar.

[@KX5Kat]

What he explained at the end is EXACTLY what I'm doing now. I tried being a professional musician and it was incredibly exhausting. Now, I have a normal job that's tolerable and pays the bills so I can play music as a hobby. I don't compose or play for anyone other than myself. If friends ask me to play piano at their weddings or whatever I politely decline, I'm just too much of a perfectionist of my music and way too critical and invested into the process to share it.

[@Ninja_204]

I'm also perfectionist and critical, but you should share your music I think. Especially if you compose. We are social animals above all !

[@KX5Kat]

@@Ninja_204 Only people I share or discuss music with are other musicians.

[@luciano.armani]

as a fellow musician who suffers from the same, i can tell you, it's a disease. its not healthy AT ALL.

[@GarielBee]

I know what you mean.

[@ksy4747]

That just means you got alot of issues and insecurities to work through. Good luck with that.

[@abstraktdrey]

I spend ridiculous hours on my songs, spent all my time learning my craft since I was 15, took until I was 27 to find any kind of real break - it's still there's no money to be made. He's absolutely right about finding something that isn't soul crushing to do for a living so that you can fuel your dreams - it's the better, easier, less mentally draining route for any of you fellow dreamers. Yes hard work pays off, but it takes money to make money, and if you're a fellow creative then you have to pour more money than you're willing to make into your craft, and more time than any reasonable person is willing to spend on strategizing - then after years of hard work - it will pay off. Most important piece though.. is to never forget why you're doing it in the first place.

[@sird135]

I write novels for retirement purposes that maybe one of will get adapted when I'm old. It'll be a good way to support my grandkids. But I don't expect great things from them and just believe i wrote them the best i could. Maybe they'll be remembered or maybe not, it's okay. At least i had fun writing them.

[@Mike__G]

I started in electronic music (progressive style) in the early 70s. I was given the following advice: “Do what you love. The money will follow.” I did. It didn’t. So I started in Tech in the late 70s. Paid the bills and made it possible to buy the gear I needed to pursue electronic music which became more than a hobby - an avocation. Also gave me complete artistic independence. I wrote and still write these instrumental pieces for the sake of writing them, not with the idea that I’ll someday get a payday. This is freeing on many levels. Fortunately, I was able to be creative in my tech career, designing and writing software. The similarities between creating new software and composing music were a surprise.

[@abstraktdrey]

@@sird135 and that's what's most important about being a creative! The love of creation itself.

[@abstraktdrey]

@@Mike__G beautifully written Mike!

[@southlondon86]

@@Mike__G Imagine if you started electronic music in the early 80s. The money would surely have followed.

[@samuelsmith5400]

As a creative myself I’m glad Dr. Peterson articulated creativity this way, it’s sometime a terrible curse…but I wouldn’t trade it for anything in this world

[@slothypunk]

Is creative something that we impose upon ourselves or society impose to us? IDK about you, but I find it cringey to see people self introduced themselves as creative. It is like when I said to myself I am handsome genius, may be true (or not). Where I am from I don't say that to myself like a narcissist. Maybe that is why sometimes people describe there is only a thin line between creative and crazy? What do you think.

[@jmack8767]

If when we leave this world there really is a God that we can meet after returning to the light - I would say to him - "Take this thing from me. Let me be normal. I want to be normal and happy like everyone else." It has brought nothing but misery.

[@zarkruzam3090]

It's an even bigger curse in social circles, when you're surrounded by friends & family, who's dinner conversations are on a level so boring that you'd rather be alone

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

I'd consider most people who are creative are so because they're curious, they need to try things to see what happens, but then when they se what happens they start to wonder what would happen if they changed something. It's nothing to do with money, just a brain that wont quit.

[@turtleanton6539]

Right

[@SuzieQ90]

I love that analogy

[@undercoverfangirl5491]

That’s a nice way to describe it. Thank you.

[@talscriver5870]

It is possible to be creative in the business world too. I hired someone who came along with graphic design skills that allowed my section to rebuild an entire library of training materials even though that wasn’t part of the job. I have been amazed at the technical and artistic skills of the young people I have worked with, but those skills alone would have never got them a job at my company.

[@nonyabusiness2032]

@@talscriver5870 If it's different and new. I suppose, yes. I mean, as long as the strategy works as fast or faster than the original way. Ps: I read the first sentence as a question. My fault. My answer remains the same.

[@amanwithabeard4032]

I've been highly creative all my life and all my life I've struggled to do something successful with it. Jordan Peterson knows his shit!

[@dominicbrogsdale3348]

Same man I write books and it's thousands of dollars just to produce my book so I'm working 1000 hours but for some reason it's totally worth it. Long ago I could have had six figures in my bank and living the high-life but I put my money towards my creativity

[@jhinandtonic2671]

Then you’re probably not as creative as tou think

[@amanwithabeard4032]

@@jhinandtonic2671 Being artistic/creative and successfully doing something with that, with what you've created are two very different things. Know the difference.

[@jhinandtonic2671]

@@amanwithabeard4032 "it's extremely cocky to assume yourself "HiGhlY CrEaTivE " in the first place. from my expérience, people who really are would never ever say something like that.

[@amanwithabeard4032]

@@jhinandtonic2671 Your point of view, like how you took the time to type "highly creative" the way you did with capital letters and lowercase letters like that says more about something going on with you than it does about me and my creative talents. I write, I illustrate, I went to school for graphic design, I build my own original Lego MOCs that I am working on selling, I do voice acting, I do music production and I rap. If that's not creative, highly creative, then I don't know what creative is. I do not care what other creative people would or would not ever say about themselves. I know my talents and the years I spent cultivating my skills. You're really pushing some deeply held beliefs here and I'm realizing that this isn't about creativity or me at all, this is about something going on with you. I am creative and I will say it any way I want, when I want because it is the most highly developed aspect of myself that I have put the time into building.

[@hauntswargaming]

Man this is so accurate. My life has been a series of one creative failure after another. I can't imagine not being creative though. I used to really take for granted how out of the ordinary it is to be creative. These days it's pretty obvious.

[@Jaa_morant]

Are u in a better place now? Maybe have a solid job and show your creativity though Instagram stories - just small clips/photos that allow you to manifest yourself nevertheless

[@Andrade675]

I can relate, when I started my first business I focused too much on creating and improving my products which led to closure. After that I been focusing/studying mostly marketing/sales. I came to the conclusion that even if you have the best product in the world of you don't know how to sell it it's worthless.

[@talscriver5870]

Been there too. It’s a good lesson though and one best learned early on. Best of luck!

[@havenn99]

Omg this is exactly why i've been looking to learn marketing these days.

[@DirtyJamesUK]

So sad. Its a blessing and a curse. If you're really good at music, and fresh and unique most people won't quite get you. You don't fit in even though lots of people think you're good. Because you don't fit in you can't monetise your music. Then someone else comes and copies you and gets success monetising and now you're still struggling AND looked at as if you copied them. Trust me creativity is as much a curse as it is a blessing. Probably even more so.. Yes, this happened to me.

[@mimiko8577]

unfortunately correct it's because of how humans became so sophisticated with technology and communication like I can't imagine the next generation will be like a portal if you upload something they can just easily summon a portal and grab your creation lol. Very fast to upload creativity these days man

[@expressrobkill]

Its not all bad, i really enjoy creating 3d models learning the workflow, fortunately there is a whole industry dedicated to this. There defiantly room for being creative, but the issue with music is everyone wants to do music, and the industry doesn’t value good music as much anymore, just whatever’s got the most catchy beat. Thats why modern artists like billy are so unique, shes in a very unique position.

[@cerostymc]

...but is creativity the problem then, or is it society

[@Whoopsie_woggzy]

@@cerostymc its the commodification of comments & views (comments & views quantifying your real life worth as a human being) (inevitable 🙁)

[@emmynspires1719]

If everyone was creative, then creativity loses it value

[@mimiko8577]

it already is with the current state of how modern our civilization is everyone can easily upload their creations and another person starts to freely replicate or even make it better and so on so forth in an unending loop. Famous artists and musicians are very well monitised before because of the lack of the accessibility to share it around the world aka online, Internet, etc. like before they can't upload it or release it online, on mainstream media or on the radio. I can only say goodluck to the creative people I'm sure even with how sophisticated we are the essence of human kindness still exists by helping each other out in any ways possible.

[@Peanutbutterrenaissance]

Not true cause creativity is individually unique. People do better at solving problems in groups by discussing thier ideas that others perhaps never thought of. So if everyone has creativity it increases value it dosent diminish it

[@Maitoaja]

@@Peanutbutterrenaissance yes. Creativity and diversity yes

[@alanlight7740]

To be precise, if everyone is creative then creativity loses its monetary value to the individual creator. It will of course still create value for society at large. This is related to the diamond-water paradox, a.k.a. the paradox of value.

[@jkkieling6078]

If everyone is Human Humanity loses its Value hahahhahahahh

[@trustierrobin399]

Your videos are always filled with direct outstanding information!! I’m very thankful you are willing to give out very useful knowledge.

[@marcusdekker]

Hi Ryan!!!! a shout to you for making these video's. They've opened up my eyes (the ones about Jordan Peterson). I try to get myself on the right track and these speeches really hit home. TY

[@NoizProofContent]

The last part is so important. On the contrary, that whole "don't have a backup plan, quit everything and go all or nothing in at what you want in life" is also possible but the amount of mentally draining uncertainty you deal with on a daily basis is very taxing. I have tried both sides. Keeping the job that isn't great but isn't soul crushing is the way to go. As long as you discipline yourself, stay organized, and never give up on what you really want out of life; you will find a good balance to make it all worth it in the end.

[@turtleanton6539]

Right

[@rafalvarezsevilla]

YES!

[@devenandplants7253]

This is what I'm literally doing right now. I'm doing a job to hold my feet on the ground and continue my creativity on the side. My plan is to eventually public an e-book of short horror stories.

[@gregoryrousseau5155]

Good luck! Keep it up!

[@manveersingh85]

@@gregoryrousseau5155 2 likes in 20 mins bro ✌

[@5Demona5]

I'm gonna leave this for when you drop the link. I love me some spooky stories!

[@FritzVonR]

hell yes

[@charmian9020]

I'd love to see this come to life!

[@inarihatta464]

This is both a hard thing for creatives to come to grips with, and sometimes even harder to overcome, when some see how high and how difficult that wall is they quit on the spot and go elsewhere, but then there are those who see the obstacle and even if it’s inch by inch, they do what they can to overcome it and to balance that curse with the blessing we are given.

[@charlesberkhouse8234]

Great points, however it’s also hard for creative types to stay in a job and maintain the stays quo. If you’re lucky, at least your creativity will allow you to come up with better solutions “on the job”. For example, programming or troubleshooting can be expanded by creative types because they can think outside the box and provide new or better ways to complete these tasks.

[@andrewbjcomposer]

This comment is far better than most of the ones I've seen here, but, no, the points in the video are not great points, not even a little bit. Peterson represents the worst of capitalism and systemic oppression, and does nothing but reinforce the silencing and dismissal of the very voices and perspectives those systems are designed to oppress.

[@gwang3103]

I've created quite a bit of art -- serious -- but I don't worry about selling it because I depend upon something else for my livelihood. I keep my art to myself and enjoy it myself; it doesn't matter to me in the least if few other people like it.🙂

[@rafreyes1190]

💗

[@TheBossMan1453]

Passed the vibe check

[@gregoryrousseau5155]

That's really all that matters.

[@kevbotech238]

As a creative person who's always thinking and designing I found it hard to be content in so called normal or down to earth things. It feels like a curse in that way be cause in a social pool its hard to find "in common " interests to share with people . Like for instance sports , I enjoy a game here and there but my buddies are obsessed and dive in deep memorizing stats and games and so on. Sports could never hold my interest enough because it's not on a creative level. It's these things that I find hard on a social level that feels like a curse.

[@maninthebox2976]

Alright , so don't do sports, this shoulden't be a curse tu you

[@panostsak]

@@maninthebox2976 I think what he means is people being so much into sports that it is the main thing they will talk about. I can associate with it, because I also find sports extremely boring. Yes, I do enjoy watching a big game (such as a final) or a highly anticipated UFC fight for example, but I can't follow EACH and every game and the progress of a team who simply do the same thing over and over again. When I listen to people talk about football for more than 30 minutes, I want to pull my hair out...how can you keep talking about people kicking a ball around for so long? It's just a game. I think this is the curse of creative people, we simply can't find happiness in boring simplicity and it is envious that other people can. - Just to clarify, I am not a non sporty person. I train in martial arts at least 3 times a week, but this is a personal hobby which keeps me fit, helps with creativity and is challenging. However, I couldn't just watch someone else doing it and this becoming my hobby. I'd rather watch paint dry.

[@maninthebox2976]

@@panostsak yeah, i agree with you, it's boring talking about sports but so much sports have a high complexity sistem without counting the rules. investements, level of the players,game style,etc etc... What i wanted to say with my commentary probably was that we shouldn't expect more from people than what they really are, people are what they are and if we don't identify with them or with what they are talking about you always can walk away If you think i'm wrong please show me the error, i really cary about that!

[@panostsak]

@@maninthebox2976 That's a very fair point and I agree with you. Most of my friends for example are not that much into sports and that's why we get along, as we have similar interests :) It is a bit annoying though, that a large percentage of people expect you to be into sports and know all these things, without even asking if it's your thing. But I do understand your point about how people might engage with it, as there are other factors at play (such as strategy, choice of players, risks the club takes etc.). I guess I find it difficult to associate with it because I am not the one doing it....I just can't stand being a spectator. I would enjoy being a footballer though!

[@maninthebox2976]

@@panostsak you are a very polite person, congratulations! I'm from brazil and in my journey in youtube comments i always come across some ignorant americans, guessing you are american, i'm not saying that there is only ignorant people in america but it's a large percentage of them here

[@33quincey]

Keep pushing, creative people! Most of my art has cost me more money than it has made. But! There was a few months in my adult life where my bills were paid by my art. I detest that saying ‘artists don’t make any money’ ‘Work’ to support your art

[@RobertLoyale]

I had to hear this to remind myself that I’m creative AND can do ALL these things by myself. There’s some people who just haven’t believed in themselves yet. But the solution is to create and be creative. Have a plan and a goal and work towards them, creatively.

[@PedroPauloMota]

Really good points. But seeing it with a different perspective: why all the rush? I believe we can take small steps often, towards crafting a product, but also crafting our skills. Analyzing results all the time and rushing to be the best might just be too stressful. And being creative in fight-or-flight mode is almost impossible.

[@DigiMyst]

Agreed. It took me 4 years to land a stable job in art, and I did freelance on the side while working a regular 9-5. It may take time, but it can be done.

[@mrholmesly]

True. Invest time and develop the skill until you can make it. Slowly but surely. Ironically, in the end that's the fastest way even when it doesn't fell like it at times. 😁

[@Rafungilo]

Often times someone else does it before your small steps work out or the product has aged out is obsolete to the time and culture. You’re not wrong, it’s do able but extremely hard and the product has to be so unique that it outlast time.

[@aidenpearce9066]

Exactly, creative people didn't care about output. More likely create different way or some products because of their passion. "Creativity is intelligence having fun" How could you be creative if you didn't even happy at what you're doing? Ostensibly the argument for your statement.

[@Bigjshifty08]

Yes, why the rush? Great way to think about it. I know personally for me the rush has always been based on how people view you and the peer pressure. Once people know you do something it's like the ticking clock is there to judge you and your success. I've had so much less stress just working at my job, taking care of my mental stress and taking care of my body and external needs while also producing my own music on the side over time and planning what I want to do with it thoughtfully and more or less ignoring any pressure I once felt. I think the idealistic outcomes you dream about when you're young don't always come about the way it really will, if at all. I think coping with the possibility of failure in some sort is a huge wall in creating peace as an artist. At least this is something I think I've just realized about myself. You can get so far in your own head with expectations that you sabotage your own daily peace of mind.

[@Conv1cti0n]

I agree with having a 9-5 while trying too build you dream job on the side, however it can also depend on the type of 9-5 you are doing, because that could drain most of your energy and you find yourself not putting in enough effort into you craft.

[@tobeigwilo2587]

I had that thought too that’s crazy

[@Supreme-gu1jz]

Man Jordan tells it like it is. We all need reality check every so often. This will certainly help us all grow.

[@charlottepeukert9095]

You missed one important point: you can't change who you are, if what you are brings you joy and happyness.And that is percecly what creativity does.

[@JASNSOUNDS]

Just the motivation I needed. Time to finish this album LOL.

[@Airic]

lol facts same here

[@olivermirez6667]

Worst motivation video ever...

[@comptonclay6454]

Everyday I'm hustlin everyday I'm hustlin

[@gridroom]

LMAO

[@blakemarsee4801]

I'm an illustrator who does make a living drawing, and this video just motivated me to try even harder. No means yes my friends. Never let the flame die.

[@JohanStarDragon]

If anyone believes in the idea that everyone is intelligent, I dare them to go work in areas like retail or technical support. Work there for about six months to a year and I’m willing to bet that you’ll come back and think, “wow, people are stupid” and you’ll probably develop some misanthropy as well.

[@maigurens]

I’m only 26 and I’ve been in costumer service for almost 10 years and I 100% agree with you. There are 10x more dumb people then smart. What people lack these days is common sense and the awareness of their surroundings

[@geewiz8253]

@@maigurens Yeah... selflessness ruins people. 👍 To me, at least.

[@frankschrodinger1424]

@@maigurens I’d wager you’re one of them

[@maigurens]

@@frankschrodinger1424 one of them what?

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@geewiz8253 The oppposite. Selfishness ruins people.

[@stupidbaby2858]

Being creative is difficult to "monetize", that alone is the early deciding factor that eliminates the vast majority from the archaic primary arts: painting, music requiring hand and bodily skill, and writing. But if science and technology is your creativity, you've got it made, especially now in the digital age . As Nietzsche said, however, art is creativity in the grand style, meaning the artist "shines through" his art, but technology and science is by it's nature impersonal, and not there for purely aesthetic uplifting and enjoyment, hence us artists push on, it's war, it's the last man standing, it's using every inch of time one has, it's cheating the system, ignoring the social mores, Art is a jealous mistress.

[@Klover_pearl]

It's a good thing this topic confirms what I've noticed. I've been torn between the medical field and fashion design, but I tell myself that I want to do something I enjoy that is within my capabilities. So I'd like to pursue a creative career, but I'm not sure how much money I'd be able to make, and being creative is exhausting because it requires a constant effort to create something that no one else does. So now I'm going to college and majoring in medicine. I'm hoping that someone else can relate to my situation.

[@debangshuhaldar3147]

I can 100% relate to your situation

[@vesidesigns5021]

you're wording it so well

[@churpina]

Oh my gosh, at first I thought I was reading my own comment! I too am constantly struggling between my medical career (Podiatrist) and my creative career (I created a brand making swimwear and named it Churpina). The creative side cannot function without the medical career because you need a ton of money to operate. And the creative side is constantly threatened by the medical career because medicine takes up most of my time. Creative career does not make me as much money as does the medical one...on top of that, fast fashion has taken over the world and Im really at a loss on what to do next :(

[@JohnSchoolingJr]

Ive always been considered talented and very creative. Since I can remember. I was always quick to learn and develope skills. But as and adult I can say that if I was to try and focus on pursuing my ideas ID wind up in the streets. The most difficult thing has been to find something I can enjoy doing and make a decent living out of it.

[@audiodead7302]

I think Jordan is mixing up 'creative' with 'artistic' a little bit here. Creativity is fundamentally about novel ideas/solutions (inventors, innovators, thought leaders). Artistry is about the pursuit of self-expression (artists, musicians, writers). I think Jordan's advice holds true for the latter, but not the former.

[@RafaelBenedicto]

Well you do need a certain amount of creativity to be artistic, while you don’t necessarily need to be artistic to be creative.

[@geewiz8253]

@@RafaelBenedicto There you go. 👍

[@baresize]

spot on

[@alltheserobotsshallfall]

anyone can self-express and it is NOT ART. let me say that again, self expression is not art. art is art and it takes creativity and technical skills to be really art. post modernism is sh1t!

[@baresize]

@@alltheserobotsshallfall theres a lot of great post modernist art out there. Off the top of my head are movies like American Psycho, for example.

[@junkdnareviews2515]

Watching this makes me feel better about my father telling me to go to business school instead of music college. He’s right I do technically have every material thing I ever wanted and but my creative side aches.

[@corpsegrinder88]

Fantastic video and this is exactly what happens most of rhe time. Very low percentage of investors that will work with you and respect your product or idea without being the one that makes most of the profit

[@darienwesby6980]

I am definitely a creative thinker but my family constantly tries to discredit such an imaginative mindset.

[@ThirdDimensionalBeing]

I can relate, and yes it does feel like a curse, but only because I have to filter myself through society and it's games. It's a painfully soul crushing process some aren't capable of seeing, or fooled that it's for their best interest.

[@Hisoka54]

As a photographer trying to transform my hobby into a job, this is very true and most people around me don't understand how difficult it is. "Your photos are amazing you can definitely get a lot of money right now". Well, it's not that easy mate.

[@certified_geek7536]

I liked your comment because your pfp is arguably the best character ever made

[@bnwilliams200]

Wow! The advice at the end poked me really hard!

[@MrRedx83]

I've lived through the business example he describes. After I had created the concept, raised money & assembled a team and gained some traction I was pushed out and thrown to the curb. It was gut wrenching and awful. However, I looked at it as, essentially a free business degree and used the experience and toughness I had acquired to go and succeed elsewhere. It's a hard road and almost all will fail. Knowing that going in frees you up to perform at a higher level.

[@goldstartrains8483]

Similar experience here mate, invented a phone system that revolutionised the taxi trade, ended up being ousted by the firm that I was part of. Made people in the industry so much money, yet I came away with very little. I earned the experience, much like you. These days, I do something that I love and I answer to nobody but my customers. The man is bang on here, as usual.

[@adayinthelife5496]

My projects went though 4 different companies and many managers. I was only the first person to part ways. Took it as a positive.

[@00killerix]

Pushed out? How? The business it wasn't yours?

[@MrRedx83]

@@00killerix I owned 40% of it but didn't have majority of voting rights. The board can vote and do just about anything they like. Lesson learned.

[@00killerix]

@@MrRedx83 i'm sorry but i don't know anything about that world, i'm wondering if u had 60% of that, u could to continue ur business? And i'm wondering if people that have huge percentage of big company can shout out the ceo or something like that?

[@taylorbee4010]

To be honest it's like all the ideas are floating around in your head saying "make me"and if you don't you feel anxious.

[@nykowow]

It's always a refreshing breeze of hope to listen to him

[@jackhickox]

being creative is the by far greatest gift & curse i have … lots of truth ‼️

[@tarheel777100]

To be fair, he's only talking about creativity as far as products and business, not art. Any person can enjoy art as a hobby and enjoy creating things even if they aren't talented.

[@AJ-hk2kv]

That's right. Fantasy author Brandon Sanderson explains this well with writing. People often ask, "When are you going to be published?" soon as you announce that you're embarking on a writing endeavor. Sure, being published is a good goal, but the act of writing can be *good* for you. Much like how playing basketball is good for you. No one walks up to people playing basketball asking, "When are you going pro?". Creating art can be fun, enjoyable, and good for you.

[@devenandplants7253]

But then how are you gonna afford life if you just focus on doing fruitless creativity? That's his point. You need to contribute somehow, to survive, in order to be creative.

[@ACDCvirus]

@@devenandplants7253 not all Creative people improving their craft jusr to get another piece of paper (Money)

[@tarheel777100]

@@devenandplants7253 It's called a day job.

[@egodeath6976]

this is exactly how I feel

[@mdichathuranga1]

So true .... I had my own tech startup for around two years and a great team, but unfortunately we failed cuz of an external factor after good two years of work.... I was a part time music producer as well .... Been through the situation he explained ..... Thanks for the video

[@codyarmstrong8428]

It literally comes down to what he said at the end. Keep your day job, but don't just give up. The more stable you are financially means less stress and more brain power you can then allocate to creation of something, without the pressure of needing it to work

[@leonardbigali1352]

It is real.

[@Tomangel61]

There are other forms of wealth, which are by products of creativity, like when people appreciate your art or writing. You're so right and it's a struggle for sure thanks.

[@jeremiaholsen6857]

As a self-taught music composer, producer, mixing and mastering engineer(no degree), I can confirm. My "creativity" hasn't gotten me anywhere.

[@sputnikpupper5594]

thats all on you though...all i'll say

[@jeremiaholsen6857]

@@sputnikpupper5594 my point exactly. thank you.

[@TheDiogo1995]

I'm a graphic designer, a big chunk of my job is related to criativity and solving problems, often are the times where i'd feel trapped and as if my creativity is lacking or gone... then this leads to a somewhate of depression state, because you aren't able to do what you love the most "create" . Creative people struggle staying motivated and having constant inspiration to do something new in a world of billions of people, it's not like you are going to make something absolutaly new, changes are that someone already did the same thing before even if not 100% like it, its core idea would be about the same, not sure if it's like this for most creative branches.

[@TheLittlePenguinDude]

As a moderately creative person, the ideal is to find a traditional career path that uses some creativity such as Front-end Dev, Engineering, Architecture, etc... but be open to the non-creative nuances of the job. Also, your creativity driven activity can be your hobby or side-hussle

[@PyrrhicPax]

Love this discussion. I've been told by so many people "if your not succeeding it's because your a failure and your doing things wrong!" In reality it's like "no, the odds of success are astronomically small and heavily dependent on luck" And the response is always "no your just making excuses so you don't have to improve yourself!" Which is a very mean thing to hear when that's all u spend time doing is trying to improve yourself but there's just no opportunity for you to put those improved skills to monetizable use.

[@wilsonmpesha904]

Then try focus, not on improving but on putting yourself out there. Manage your weaknesses.

[@PyrrhicPax]

@@wilsonmpesha904 well the problem is there's nowhere to put myself out there. I live on a rural ranching community, the only work available for ppl who aren't born into the ranches is fast food or retail, to serve the ranchers; and the ranchers only employ family members as they have large machines that do the work they used to need people for. I was also born into poverty so I can't afford to move. There's an incredibly low demand for skilled labour in my community, and an incredible abundance of labourers. There's college, but nowhere to work once u get out. I know innumerable ppl working the same places I am, but with college debt.

[@wilsonmpesha904]

@@PyrrhicPax Damn. Where are you from?

[@PyrrhicPax]

@@wilsonmpesha904 east Oklahoma, ppl outside the state might know it better as "the Muscogee Creek Reservation"

[@wilsonmpesha904]

@@PyrrhicPax Use these digital platforms and try your luck.

[@i.p.knightley6970]

I don't know if I'm an 'artist' but I enjoy being creative, and that allows me a certain contentedness, a certain productivity, a certain liberty to do what I wish, and a certainty that every day will not be defined by other people I don't like.

[@veerchasm1]

This whole lecture sounds like Jordan was speaking to me 30 years ago when I was pursuing a career in music

[@margaretchayka6878]

I've had tons of ideas over the years, but it took technology to enable me to finally decide on a couple of things I could do on my own in p/t capacities, being also an introvert and a happy loner, and finding something that I could do over a span of years without getting completely bored, which turned out to be graphic design and baking; always something new to try in both. The thought of "getting big" and having to hire people to work for me, etc., etc., had always filled me with dread. I don't even have to do any marketing, which I found tedious in other endeavors . I've got the perfect life for me right now, took me 60+ years to get here. Never give up trying to find your thing.

[@AsperK.22]

An entrepreneur can relate it with their life too we think we are creative our idea can solve many problem but to make it into reality much harder. The initial product from our mind has much difference from final product and as an entrepreneur i like to give you an advice nobody gonna help you even investor whatever they're doing is just trade or business you are the only one who can yourself.

[@dltdev9006]

Get in the DAO space mate, everybody's helping each-other ;)

[@katkyle8169]

He makes a good point. Creating and Implementing are two separate things. If you depend on other people to implement for you, it will reach a point where you (the originator) won't be needed when your creation is streamlined.

[@nicklatino7157]

Jordan Peterson's strategy is absolutely right! It is a strategy that I learned from my dad first. But I'm going to follow it as well

[@aaronw6741]

This build is painful and humorous. I love it.....much needed.....thank you

[@cavallopazzo340]

Why did he not mention that creativity can take thousands of different forms though? He was referring only to arts, but creativity shows also in having original ideas or thinking outside the box when solving issues and those are incredibly beneficial when running a business. I'm an entrepreneur and consider myself to be very creative but not in the artsy kind of sense.

[@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020]

You have a point.

[@talscriver5870]

The argument is about monetizing creativity though. You can be innovative and have great ideas on restructuring manufacturing processes or solving a global crisis, but as he said, that’s only 5% of the work.

[@Rally_Studio]

Gotta say, I must agree ... And creativity is not something you can usually "conjure up" no sometimes your creative flow just isn't there. And you have to be patient for when it will come back, cause sometimes it's a very long time. (A month ? 3 months ? More ? It really varies)

[@Laura-jt4pg]

I feel like the key to it, to reiterate what he said at the end, is to find a job at is in the field of the creative pursuit you want to do. Becuase then you’ll gain that marketing, real life experience etc and a network who will notice and want to capitalise on your creative ideas and availabilities. Eg, for me, budding artist, decided to do graphic design, so that I could work creatively and gain the experience and support network I’ll need to launch an art career.

[@psycho-analyticgamer7452]

High-risk/high-return is a great way to define creativity! Accurate analysis. Although when it comes to financing one could argue you don't need to rely on family and friends to promote it. Honestly, if you're creative enough you can find ways around it. But that doesn't mean that path will be any easier or better. Like Mr. Peterson said if it's a creative idea and new. No one is going to know about it so selling that idea is going to be ridiculously difficult. Another downside to having the intelligence that comes with creativity is the mental issues that also stem from that same intelligence. It's too easy to be consumed by it or enter a madness where you can do is create. The need ends up controlling you more than you it. Overall, this video is a good wake-up call to people who do think they're creative and to others who praise it yet don't understand that everything has a downside.

[@brigwood7658]

I spent 10 -15 years as a full time musician. The problem is, every good upcoming muso i knew when i started out who 'listened to their parents' swallowed peterson's line here and 'got a job to keep body and soul together, while playing their instrument on the side', ended up being well and truly overtaken and put out of the running by those of us who spent 'all our time' practicing music while barely scraping by (at least until is finally started to pay off ... sort of). In the end I had enough of the instability (and the effn industry) and qualified as a psycho-therapist, which I love. But I have absolutely no regrets, and I'm damn glad I 'risked it all' and went 'all out' when i did, rather than 'doing it on the side while working full time'. In short, i couldn't disagree with more with JP's last comment/example here.

[@jakefromspace4659]

Interesting thought. I've often debated my self on whether or not I should go full time with the LLC. I know my parents were successful using the side work strategy to launch their business. I think the point is that as soon as you have a complete marketable tested product is the time where you make that transition to full-time work. Also, the number of people telling you they were going to be musicians are probably equal to the number of people who "almost joined the army". As in, they are just bluffing or bolstering.

[@brigwood7658]

@@jakefromspace4659 Ha, yes there is 'that' (bluffing etc), but there were parents who were particularly hard out, even threatening to their kids if 'they dared' become a pop/rock musician (of course sometimes the family could be struggling etc and require their support); other parents were more blase (or 'veeeery' occasionally supportive). Such influence definitely does shape thing beyond 'but do you really want it boy?' Also, I'm only picking on JP's last example; maybe the terrain is different for e.g. 'inventing a new car part' or whatever. But I will say this. I never made it as a musician. I was good, but as a drummer I was at the mercy of finding the 'right guys' with a good song writer etc that could appeal to 'big enough' crowd. In the end, ack of money, fatigue and ageism did it in for me (and I fell in love with philosophy of all things, went to uni late, ended up a therapist and etc). And yet I have 'no regrets'. I gave it my all, and I know what it's like to play 'that well', and with musicians 'that good', which is reward in itself that people who have never got that good at 'anything in particular' (coz they were working elsewhere, ha) will never know - and therefore 'are in no position to give advice about'. And I'm quite serious about that last point (by the way that was in 'no way' aimed at you, ha. But there are a lot who do).

[@jakefromspace4659]

@@brigwood7658 You have a point in that people who have never pursued an art to a point of competence (much less professionalism) don't have a right to judge anyone who has. As for family support, I'd argue that while it is a factor, many have risen despite a lack of support or even oppression. Take El Guzman, Al Capone, and many others. You can argue that they were professionals at their trade, and can most definitely argue that they rose despite a lack of nurture. It's most definitely not stopping me! I think that time and circumstance are what govern the fate of capable people. You have to have an opportunity to take advantage of as well as the ability to take advantage of it. I guess that the rules for opportunities are the same as the rules for war: be cautious getting into it, research the challenge as thorough as possible, seek out much advice, and when/if you start, abandon all else to move as fast as you can until the matter is concluded.

[@brigwood7658]

@@jakefromspace4659 For sure for sure. I'm just wary of not wanting to sound like an asshole. E.g saying stuff like "if you love it enough you'll do it no matter what". And sure, there are lots of examples of people who will blame it on 'external pressures' etc to justify their own inaction, but I want to be careful here. In some cases, the luxury of just 'throwing it all in for their art' could be at the expense and well being of those they love (there's also the issue of following an impossible or useless passion. e.g. you 'suck' at drumming, or you're a large 65 year-old woman whose dreams is to be in a boy band ... you get the point). And there are certain cultures, ways of living, circumstances etc where 'pursuing your passion at all costs' is seen as selfish or whatever ( I've known people who are literally ostracised from their family for doing something like this); or one is simply not raised with seeing this as even an option! i.e.the whole idea is barely even meaningful to them - it's quite simply not part of 'their world' or understanding. So yeah ... I don't want too be preachy to others about how I 'stuck it to the man' and followed my dreams, and they would too if they 'had a spine' or whatever.

[@talscriver5870]

Even you admit it only “sort of” paid off. Peterson’s point is about being successful making a living from one’s creativity. It’s exceedingly hard, unlikely and requires a perfect alignment of circumstances to make a career out of it. Sure, some people might make a viral hit, but then what? Even the greatest bands and artists starting out today have a shelf life of what? 5 years? If that. Your experiences many years ago are simply not repeatable today.

[@Unusualalex]

4:30 that cartoon gave me a chuckle

[@itskyrhi6238]

Thank you Better Chapter and The KZbin Algorithm for the guidance. I’m definitely an creative who is stuck on what to do with my life and this gave me some guidance

[@kennythompson9646]

Exactly where I'm at. It can cause extreme anxiety. At times you can wish for help.

[@MikeKay1978]

I'm a relatively creative engineer. And yes it is a curse because it comes with other features as well. for one, Once I want to solve a problem I forget about everything else, this means missed deadlines etc. My mind wonders etc. I envy those who are able to just do a task don't ask why and just do it, I can't I'm always trying to find ways to get out of mundane tedious tasks. Some senior guys had trouble fixing a thing that caused issues at a factory. They have been working 2 years on it. These are highly senior guys with PhDs. I came in as an assistant. We failed I couldn't let go of the problem. I came up with a dead simple logical solution counter every theory there was, and it worked. I was walking on clouds that day. But you wouldn't believe how many enemies I made that day. Especially the senior guys except for one. I never expected that. It felt like a utter anti climax. One side I was glad I solved it, but man the resentment. Not long after I got fired.

[@DavetutsAcademy]

Fired!!! That's painful. In this particular stuff, learning social behavior would have really helped. If you had engaged that good guy, and just submit the solution to him, I guess the outcome would have been different. If he's really good, he'll hopefully champion the cause and probably take under his arms as a mentee, and then who knows... I've always hid the face behind the success and guess what, most people seems to like the idea that you are good and can proffer solution but you give credits to the "bosses'! Harsh world man, Harsh word

[@alanlight7740]

I'm not terribly surprised. Most people want credit and glory for themselves, and especially get upset if someone without any track record (or at least no track record they know about) comes in and solves a hard problem that they had tried and not been able to solve. It wounds their pride. But take joy in the fact that you fixed a problem, and don't worry about who gets credit, and you'll be a happier person. As an engineer you should still be able to get _someone_ to hire you - so just keep on working and with some luck you might be able to find someone who appreciates your skills, and maybe even able to pay you what you're worth. Good luck!

[@MikeKay1978]

@@DavetutsAcademy i think most companies cannot handle inventions so the safest way is to shut up, look down, take you notes and start a company.

[@taitcarrillo8926]

I like Jordan Peterson. I am not conservative. I appreciate his takes on the human experience, like this. People shouldn’t be politicized. Only ideas should be.

[@JurassicEntMuzik]

I definitely needed to hear this…Thank you Mr. JP‼️

[@winry2357]

I’ve got so many stories rolling around in my head, but every time I put pen to paper, my insecure self tells me that no one wants to read them, they’re awful ideas and no one cares. Creativity is a curse. I suppose it’s my greatest fear, failure. Then I beat myself up because if you don’t try, you automatically fail. It’s a no win situation.

[@pericleslegendario7022]

That isn't your creativity, that's you, simple, that is your mind, creativity isn't the problem, this can be helped by a psychologist, the other one? Not.

[@AhmetKaan]

Work as hard as possible in one thing and see what happens. _~Jordan Peterson_ *I wish you the best in your life my friend. I am cheering for you...* 🙂

[@usisiphoqamata]

I love that he never sells your dreams, he tells it like it is.

[@deanandthebeans857]

He’s right - I did exactly as he said - made a good living teaching guitar while writing music on the side in my free time. No commercial pressure at all, write exactly what you like and don’t care if it doesn’t sell.

[@austingray5088]

I feel as though my creativity is suppressed by my depression and anxiety. I’m 19 and I’m trying to learn to be more accustomed to my own wants and needs, it’s hard but I feel good about the things that I’m making happen

[@ResoluteRonin]

Having the ability to be creative and actually being creative are two very different things. I do believe we all have the ability to be creative, in fact I think that this particular point cannot be argued.

[@talscriver5870]

True, but that kind of thinking is akin to being told, “you can achieve anything if you put your mind to it.” It may be technically correct, but is it really wise advice?

[@king-worm6396]

I have to admit he hit this one square on the head, though I think he left out another insidious aspect of creativity. Which is to say that most often times, people don't value creative endeavors as much as they claim to. In my own case I've often found myself getting asked to do work for drastically less than I would make even at a minimum wage job (sometimes pennies an hour), for work that said same people had already admitted was of professional quality. At best it's disappointing, but at worst it can be extremely insulting; especially when it comes from someone I even half respect. I wouldn't ask them to work for free, even if they enjoy their work. Yet for some reason, if you've got a talent or, better yet, have honed a skill, then suddenly you're expected to use it (for them) just for the PASSION of it. I'm still gonna keep working on my projects with or without someone dangling money in front of me, that's me taking care of myself. That's fun. If it brings others joy, and they want to spend money on what I had fun making, that's a bonus. However, making stuff for other people; to their specifications instead of my own? Working on their project INSTEAD of my own? That's work; plain and simple.

[@PawasTastic]

So true, as an aspirant game developer, I find myself treading this line of thought multiple times a day - to make things more challenging, my country hasn't really recognised videogames as a viable business market yet

[@happyandblessed5640]

Thanks for this. So true.

[@hoptanglishalive4156]

"Then you gotta tell people what the hell the thing is." Yeah, I make those kind of hell the things.

[@juanlambda27]

He talks about musicians at the end but man, being a visual artist (painter) is no walk in the park. Everyone always wants to pay you a fraction of what the painting costs (time/effort/supplies) because they see it as just your hobby and something that comes easy to you. But ask any painter out there, even the great painters - painting is not easy and it's very time consuming and energy draining.

[@faizalf119]

I can feel you. I took graphic design more than a decade ago and after I graduated I realized even with graphic design boom in my country but job opportunities are pretty limited and because many universities offer graphic design course I realized that I had to compete with several hundreds graduates as well. And with every year those universities keep Spitting out new fresh graduates I found my myself failing to compete because companies prefer to either hire a fresh graduate who willing to get paid cheaply or design firm who want experienced graphic designers. Then there's also people who offered me job but paid cheaply or with "exposure"

[@mr.wordsmith8542]

I'm a writer, artist, musician, and producer. I have been working very hard at my craft for quite some time now. What I've realized is that nobody else truly understands what I'm trying to say except other artists/musicians. I have definitely felt the cursed/blessed feeling. It's just what it is. Also with America and how this country is, its fucked because creatives aren't as supported nowadays. Creative people break barriers, creative people showcase otherworldly efforts far beyond this world. I just pray I can start making some money and things will work out for me and others doing their best. Keep going! Keep creating and find what it is about creating drives you.

[@kymelatejasi]

This is the reason I have so many issues with people who claim to be creative - most stick with the same things that everyone else does and don't push boundaries. It's why I get frustrated looking for ideas and am bombarded with the same old stuff. I'm not looking for that. I also don't want to live off of this. There's no way what I do will be successful enough to live solely on this, but I wish I could find something else to do that wouldn't burn me out again.

[@AshleecoolMsp]

In many ways, this is very accurate and I can imagine being true. But at the same time, creative people can also be realistic. If you happen to be good at writing poetry and for some reason decide that, that's what you want to do with your life, then that's on you. You didn't have to pursue that goal, you should have been totally aware that your odds of succeeding were zero to none. But you decided to do it. Don't blame it on your creativity or how it's a curse. You could have been creative and still became a doctor or a teacher. It just doesn't work that way. It was you're respectable and honorable choice. And I really do think people who have the courage to do it are amazing. But it's just reality, not your 'creativity' that sets you on a struggling life.

[@erechasante3430]

Creativity is equally a field to pursue just like the Doctor or teacher you mentioned. You hope to have a decent life being a creative. It will be extremely difficult to combine both.