2017 Personality 20: Biology & Traits: Orderliness/Disgust/Conscientiousness

In this lecture, I provide details about trait conscientiousness, the best predictor of life success after intelligence (particularly among managers, administrators and students). Sounds good? But conscientiousness is partly composed of aspect orderliness, along with industriousness, and orderliness is associated both with disgust and with authoritarianism (particularly among those low in openness to experience). Hitler and the Jews? The Holocaust? Orderliness and disgust sensitivity gone mad.
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Teacher throws dude out and he misses out on the crucial lesson on the limbic system

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All the information in these lectures is infinitely more useful than the information from my English degree. Luckily, I also got a Computer Science degree, which has much greater utility.

[@bastje]

Man I don't even notice that I am hopping from one video to the other. They are all so interesting and informative. I am learning a lot, amazing brain that guy has.

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I. Can't. Stop. Watching. Dr. Peterson. Lectures.

[@anythingbutmyrealname]

Same here

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In my holidays..

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[@TheHelghast1138]

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Is the periods the same as claps?

[@nice-job]

Anybody else thinking Dr. Peterson's point is so relevant especially now that we are facing a global pandemic?

[@sunemperor9486]

It Hits me very hard today. That revelation.

[@lindsaybeech9125]

Absolutely!

[@benjaminkuti2009]

Disease-caused pathogens and authoritarian governance. That's an extremely interesting finding considering the current 2020 social condition. It gets people on side with political law etc..

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I was just about to come down and comment this, honestly.

[@aspiringnormie9499]

"Pandemic" is a very strong word for it. Global forced quarantine is more accurate. The virus is the justification for mass shutdowns by many governments who are overreaching in their authority, but the below 1.5M worldwide deaths do not justify this stacked against the world population nearing 8 billion. In the US alone if 1.5M were dead it would not justify this stacked against the just below 400M population even. It is a very dark sign I would say. I am quite sure JBP would agree.

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I'll probably spend the rest of my life digesting the content of these lectures.

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Life well spent

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Dr Peterson, I know there's almost no chance you're reading this but I just want to thank you for these. Your videos are shaping my Jung mind daily. Couldn't help the pun, sorry.

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Quite Frankl-y, these puns are getting out of hand.

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@@searchingforpennies i found it funny

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After 3 years. Thanks again

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[@sonofkabisch]

The word "parasite" being used to dehumanize a group of people...makes me wonder about the way the word "toxic" is used today.

[@doomerbloomer6160]

@Pro Justice being sensitive to narcissism (aka, saying everyone is a narcissist) is an indicator of narcissist personality disorder. Who woulda thunk

[@jenniferklopman2557]

Also "phobic" and "anti". These words are used in a tyrannical fashion to shut down and discredit any and all opposition. I refuse to use these terms or allow my children to when we are speaking. Words matter!

[@amal-ti2zz]

There's a verse in the Bible that always intrigued me, which said "he who calls his brother fool is in danger of hellfire," and I'm pretty sure that it means the same thing- that when your pride allows you to start dehumanizing people, you're going bad places

[@TomFranklinX]

@@Outstanding_Gal Interesting, everything you said is a fallacy. "Phobic" and "anti" in reference to political correctness are not scientific terms, they are colloquial terms. There are scientific "phobic" terms, such as arachnophobia, but they are not related to the context of political correctness. The word toxic is inherently dehumanizing, associating a person to something worthy of disgust dehumanizes them, as disgust turns off compassion.

[@bperez8656]

Different Parasite is something you kill Toxic is something you get rid of or move away from I’d say it’s less dangerous terminology But still leads to social exclusion But things can progress from toxic to parasitic very quickly in our society

[@Vitorian]

Jesus Christ, this guy needs to be in some sort of Hall of Fame. Perhaps one class just for himself. Jordan Peterson rocks!

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Henrique Bucher He will be honored and respected for decades to come. Even more so when his era has passed.

[@ruamayor]

Amén !

[@jasonfrost2487]

This is one of the most moving lectures I've ever had the privilege to witness. Frighteningly insightful.

[@slambam6191]

I (don't even have to) wonder what Freud would think of your comment.

[@SuperMegaWoofer3000]

I didn't get through it last night, hopefully tonight. Dr Peterson's lectures are amazing.

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

Outline of this lecture: 0:00 Conservatives and liberals. Filtering mechanisms. 3:24 You never get a benefit without a price. 4:38 Conscientiousness is beneficial only on condition that the future is predictable 5:15 Hyperinflation. Some history of pre-WWII Germany. 7:18 Industriousness. 8:21 Correlation between intelligence and conscientiousness is 0. 10:30 Industrious people may be aversive to inactivity. 11:01 Conscientiousness predicts military performance. 11:50 Orderliness 12:36 Problems with modeling conscientiousness 14:10 Conscientiousness correlates negatively with neuroticism. 16:10 Conscientiousness is related with depression and guilt. 18:50 More disadvantages of conscientiousness. 20:15 Orderliness 20:58 Disgust sensitivity. 22:42 Behavioural immune system. 23:30 Tangent: Antibiotic resistance. 25:54 Back to behavioural immune system. 32:20 OCD. Man with a dog... 37:22 Anorexia 40:49 Perfectionism 42:55 Divorce predictor - rolling eyes 43:48 PC authoritarianism 44:29 Back to behavioural immune system. 46:53 Two core dimensions of conservative ideology: resistance to change and tolerance of inequality. 50:13 Preference for order and tradition is associated with orderliness and politeness (aspect of agreeableness) as well as lower openness. Egalitarianism is associated with compassion (aspect of agreeableness). 50:39 Conservatism - extension of immune system to society 52:40 What's disgusting is destroyed 53:11 Parasite stress hypothesis 56:58 Pre-Columbian history of Americas 59:52 Hitler 1:00:58 Film: "Triumph of the Will" 1:01:40 Nazism - "Disease of civilization" 1:03:18 Hitler was interested in art, but he divided it into classes of approved and not approved 1:05:45 Pamphlet "Jew as a world parasite" 1:12:18 Nazism was embodied in a sense 1:13:07 Propaganda film against Jews

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I feel like this lecture is more important than ever right now.

[@mrknowmyself]

👌

[@anythingbutmyrealname]

Yeah brother

[@everysigleday31]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Scary

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[@kathleenh3104]

Jordan Peterson is in the actual process of changing the world for the better. I can't imagine the satisfaction that comes with that realisation.

[@Mackersarasa]

I think it's dreadful. And so does he.

[@lukeodubhda]

16:12 i sure got guilt! 25:42 "one of the things you can be virtually certain of is that whatever you are worried about happening terribly in the future, it will be something else that you're not worrying about that will actually cause the problem" is a terrifying statement lmao

[@photosolutions8618]

I have always loathed going to class and actively paying attention in school or doing homework, yet I find myself stopping metallica videos and choosing to watch these lectures. Lately, I've been thinking about taking notes so I can retain more of its content, but I also have no problem re-watching these lectures for the same purpose.

[@HTWW]

Trust me, man, taking notes is soooo worth it. I've recently read a great book by one Mortimer J. Adler - 'How to Speak, How to Listen' (a sequel of sorts to one of his greatest pieces - 'How to Read Great Books'). He stresses the importance of taking notes, and it's so true! I haven't been reading much in past few years, and I had trouble concentrating on reading, but since I've started taking notes, I've had more success both with reading and with listening! Just imagine this - first you'd take notes for every lecture as it goes. You then should write another set of notes, this time as an analysis of the lecture. Eventually you'd have enough material to cross-reference it many, many times over, improving your understanding of the material dramatically. And every time you add more data to your base of knowledge, you can again deepen your understanding of the subject. Careful, though) You never know just how deep into the depths of your very 'wetware' this rabbit hole goes.

[@CelloTuning]

My god ! This man is a real teacher and he deserves good and productive students in his class.

[@MrTrenchcoatguy]

First hour of the lecture: Being high in conscientiousness rocks! I'm nigh-superhuman compared to these messy, lazy blobs of flesh surrounding me. Last half-hour: My god... no.... that... can't be me... that mustn't be me...

[@Mr.Pink1776]

I feel better about being a lazy blob now.

[@IronWarrior4Ever]

You are literally Hitler.

[@revengemason6496]

It's a good thing, according to Jung, to face one's own "shadow".

[@twoscoopz4944]

SAME. TIL I'm just like Hitler, high in Openness, high in Orderliness, highish in Neuroticism, low in Agreeableness and we have similar tastes. Also: As a Newyorker and having consequently interacted with tons of Jews, I'm shook at how accurate that Nazi video was about their culture, namely how they reserve morality for the in-group and not for the, ehh, "hosts." Seeing that film with my temperament, I can feel myself being potentially persuaded--esp. if I had lost all my money to inflation, lost my husband to WW,1 and my sister to Spanish influenza. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying.

[@MrTrenchcoatguy]

Pretty much me, except for the neuroticism. Dunno if Hitler was introverted, but he vibes like that to me. Extraversion and neuroticism would appear to be the traits where I'm most distant from him (being high in extraversion and low in neuroticism).

[@MLD.Ltd.]

35:20 hearing that guy's story is really something. Honestly, I could have been one of those people who reported him on "animal cruelty" or some stuff that i don't know enough of the situation to make a move in the first place. Mind opener. Thanks for sharing that. Keeps me in check when hearing stories like it.

[@nitowa]

I watch these lectures more diligently than the ones I'm supposed to.

[@duckslinger999]

Can't wait to sort myself out.

[@bigfan1041]

*bad joke* I'll sort myself out...

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You lost Rachel to Ross, Joey. Go home, you lost.

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Start by cleaning your bedroom. I have faith in you

[@Derna1804]

Oot.

[@OMIMmusic]

I found some part of me developing disgust for those Jews shown in the film and I could not believe myself. There really is heaven AND hell within all of us.

[@Trascist]

What an Intro!!! "Today we're going to be talking about some very gruesome things..." BRING IT ON

[@confounded_feline]

C'mon just one more hit. Lecture 21 is all I need promise.

[@TheHelghast1138]

I totally feel that lol

[@elizabethdennis4918]

Yesss!

[@Painted_Owl]

1:01:40 How surreal it is to see JBP give such a from-the-top explanation of the Spanish Flu a couple of years before COVID (The time stamp is a good jumping in point, however he doesn’t mention the flu for about another 10 seconds or so)

[@PordanBJeterson]

I AM DISGUSTED BY MY OWN ORDERLINESS

[@whiteylimpstockdengalne6044]

Me too. En efecto, your orderliness makes me ill and angry.

[@ellyess7203]

Sorting Myself Out: Love it! See my remark above about Einstein!

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Username checks out, kinda.

[@emiliodauvin5059]

Sorting Myself Out i am amuzed by your creativity

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

My gag reflex is totally chill as I wallow in my own body fluids.

[@ftayl5]

I'm watching this for the third time now to get my head around it completely. Your intro is no understatement.

[@MrGorobu]

I think this is Jordan's most essential lecture.

[@NateBriggs1212]

YES. I agree 💯 This is ESSENTIAL. IMO this is the topic he should focus all energy on. This info is needed NOW

[@grreguss]

I'm fairly disgust-sensitive and conservatively minded, and when I saw the pictures of the unbelievable order that Hitler managed to create a thought like "I wish things were like this" had emerged in me and felt a bit of relief. It surprised me what an impact it had on me. It's rather chilling to think that I might have been a Nazi if I were born in the right place at the right time with my mix of traits...

[@thistles]

A year on, I'm wondering what your take is on the pandemic measures.

[@grreguss]

@@thistles Well, I haven't been following other countries' regulations really, my own problems are a handful to begin with, but social isolation, quarantine and online school definitely takes a toll on everyone. To have little to no restrictions would have been the best at the begginning of the spreading of the pandemic when the virus was weaker and it's effects less severe, thus a large portion of the population could have gained a sort of "natural immunity". At this point however stricter measures may be justifiable. Nevertheless I'm not against constraints related to unvaccination since the vaccine really does seem to lessen symptoms and reduce mortality rates. These are my thoughts on the topic in a nutshell

[@thistles]

@@grreguss Thank you for indulging my curiosity =) It's funny that my opinion is pretty much the opposite of yours despite also being disgust sensitive.

[@grreguss]

@@thistles Sure thing! Also, since we're talking about only one trait, there's very little chance that our views on an already divisive topic would coincide, right?

[@thistles]

@@grreguss I think that probably depends on the topic. Some traits are more relevant to some topics. I can see compassion overriding everything else when talking about welfare, for example. I would expect something similar when talking about disgust and disease, but apparently not!

[@xbrando7]

probably the most fascinating lecture by Prof. Peterson I've seen

[@stasisbal]

"...a disease of civilization" That's a hell of a phrase

[@sambarbosa6453]

4 Years ago!!!! this Session is still very VERY relevant today… How does one store this much knowledge!!🔥

[@danni8191]

Genomicist here, conscientiousness could be related to the HPA axis, in effect the same primordial part of the brain that makes squirrels and dogs bury food *for later.* Complex thought =/= planning ahead, this is a _far older_ system. Just guessing though, havent done research to support this.

[@TimL1980]

Sounds reasonable - but it would have to be a really old system evolutionarily .... and that would beg the question why there are so many bipeds that have it to a much lesser extent than squirrels..... Is there a close relative of the squirrel in the tropics that doesn't save up food (because it is of no value under those conditions)?

[@afriedli]

Re. overcoming disgust. "Is sex dirty?" "Only if it's done right." Woody Allen.

[@flyboyflip]

It’s INCREDIBLE how valuable and spot on this is right now all those years after recording.

[@alyssawilliams7708]

I can’t watch a single lecture without learning something new and amazing. Thank you, Jordan Peterson!

[@JohnDoe-jz7bj]

That's pretty much a definition of a lecture, roughly speaking.

[@javierlandry7246]

@@JohnDoe-jz7bj In all intents and purposes...

[@1do2likeU]

"Resistance to change reflects the extent to which people wish to maintain the status quo, while tolerance of inequality reflects the acceptance of an unequal distribution of resources and opportunities within society." Well isn't that self-explanatory? 🤦🏼‍♀️ Other than that, great lecture! 👏☺️

[@Nugrat1]

Rugrats addressed OCD in an episode one time. Chuckie learned about germs and developed OCD. They treated him by exposing him to garbage.

[@briangallagher3106]

Nugrat1 damn that’s brilliant. I love rugrats as a kid.

[@eowyn-faramir-reads]

*takes note for future exposure to OCD friends* 😂

[@theelderelk5582]

It works. I used to be very anxious and was disgusted by filth. I later had a cleaning job in a restaurant as a potwash and cleaner. One time someone had explosive drunken diarrhea and I had to clean it up - I covered it in bleach and left it for the end of the shift to mentally build myself up to it. As I was wiping it off the toilet with a sponge and gloves, the sponge flicked and sent a filthy drop of poo to my face! I closed my eyes and it landed on my eye lid! I maintained my self control, went and washed up my face for a few minutes, then finished the job. It taught me I could handle pretty dirty things well

[@SketchyWhiteDude]

Fascinating correlation between infectious disease and totalitarianism. Thank you for making this lecture public, Dr. Peterson.

[@experiment54]

Joe Rogan brought me here. Subscribed. Thanks for the brain food!

[@Fubuuuuu]

experiment54 Powerful

[@sandromaludze2300]

Thank you Joe Rogan

[@TheHelghast1138]

Indeed

[@iwtommo]

EVERY industrious person i know, myself included, are motivated by basically fear of death, and a badly spent life. Not sure if this datapoint is useful but its an observation i find incredibly interesting.

[@FireInclined]

iwtommo conscientious grief

[@stephenjay5023]

You have not mastered your fear, youngling.

[@joeshmoe7899]

iwtommo Evolutionary adaptation. The industrious survived the genetic bottlenecks caused by extreme famine, weather, etc. Hence, why northern europeans are more industrious. They had the harshest environment. Survived 2 ice ages.

[@iwtommo]

Perhaps, but would i want to considering how useful it is? "Only a man without an appreciation for time is content to waste it"

[@stephenjay5023]

Why would you not want to master something that is useful?

[@MultiFede12345]

One of the best lectures so far Doc, we can't begin to thank you enough for sharing your wisdom!

[@jacky7878]

- Don't be impulsive. Sacrifice present for future - Industriousness: Carry out your plans. Don't waste time. Don't find it difficult to get to work. Finish what you start. Put your mind on task at hand. Don't be distracted. Be good at implementation. Focus / pay attention - Orderliness: Keeps things clean. Follows a schedule and likes routine. Careful to detail - Just because you're better at planning, it wouldn't necessarily apply that you're better at implementing - Allow disgust to guide you. Control disgust. Keep borders with your actions

[@surr3al305]

@54:23 "The parasite prevalence/infectious diseases made people more authoritarian and that was driving the more authoritarian government." Hits too close.

[@Synthminator]

Watched this while eating, messing with the phone and my head jumping from ramification to ramification of what was being said. Finally 1h30min about why I cant be unbusy with something.. Thank you

[@corwinarkwright1891]

Wow, thank you so much, Mr. Peterson, for putting up your lectures online! I wish all professors were as engaging and interesting to listen to. You are doing a fantastic job! All the best from Germany, and good luck with everything :)

[@chrisallenphd]

I have been following some of the research on disgust sensitivity- but the way Dr. Peterson put this all together, really was one of the most insightful lectures, ever. Like a book. Thank you so much for such useful information.

[@EK-rw9sw]

An absolutely brilliant lecture, well done!

[@BurntF3aceMan]

1:26:18 petersons vague disgust response to a student leaving on time

[@unusualaquariumecosystems5805]

I find it weird students wonder in and out of his class. That didn't happen at my university.

[@Portugal_Pete]

This lecture... man. The topics and content of this lecture gave me an insight into myself that I won't soon forget.

[@Kikuye]

I didn't expect it, but I think Jordan Peterson just convinced me to buy only grass fed beef. Because the way he explained the corn and cow and antibiotic thing actually got to me.

[@teemueerola2813]

"If you see a SSSSSssssSSS-stick!.."

[@Apollothecrowing]

😂😂😂

[@Chikin1ninjas]

His nervous system was already warning him that his hypothetical stick might be a hissing snake!

[@SD-fw9li]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@zachcashman7236]

hand gestures are on point

[@SK_TorON]

He lectures the way it should be done - because he is genuinely fascinated by the subject and because he really cares to convey his excitement to his students. No wonder he annoys the self-righteous PC crowd: to them, authenticity and passion are dangerous!

[@jennyzimmer2224]

I just discovered these posted classes. How fantastic. Thank you so much, Dr. Peterson!

[@kjekelle96]

This one is particularly relevant with Covid going on now....

[@vicanjel]

Yes! I was also thinking that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Revolution positioned themselves in power not only after WWI but also after the Spanish Flu which killed 50 million people.

[@kjekelle96]

@@vicanjel Yes the misery and danger of contamination tilted these societies to authoritarianism, and I see that happening now too.

[@vicanjel]

​@@kjekelle96 Indeed. Already authoritarianism has increased in our societies, both politically and socially. And it is too soon to tell how this will end up, it is not as if the increased disgust goes immediately away when the infectious disease does.

[@kjekelle96]

@@vicanjel Yup indeed. And the polarization seems to be increasing even more, with all the protests going on (in my country, Belgium, also). And mental health seems to me to be going down.

[@vicanjel]

@@Outstanding_Gal Why do you arrogantly assume that I deny all those factors when I never wrote so? That's concerning of you, but maybe you come to the conversation already assuming you know everything or that we are stupid. Assume the person you're listening to knows something you don't, it makes conversation more profitable for everyone. I think that psychological factors regarding the spread of massive plagues and how they affected world views were part of the MANY causes that lead mankind towards a dark century. Peterson also gives good explanation.

[@Hannib4lBarca]

This is an especially relevant lecture to listen to during a global pandemic.

[@bperez8656]

The authoritarian individual personalities are being forged.

[@azjoe_6310]

Always educational. I have immense respect for his wisdom, knowledge, and honesty.

[@47RokuW]

BEAUTIFUL! I’ll have to rewatch every lecture- thank you

[@arlowelch5608]

This information is absolutely crucial to understand right now. I see the writing on the walls of the current political landscape. There is a lot of very scary parallels

[@cadecope278]

53:38 We’ve all been experiencing this study in real time for the past two years…for better or for worse

[@anonymousdude1994]

Ty Dr. Peterson- please keep these lectures for free. Very important lectures, and they helped in my early 20s

[@SpencerCindia]

Thanks for all your content Dr. Peterson, it's greatly appreciated

[@ManInTheBigHat]

Wow, 3,500 views in four hours. Peterson is huge. 14,000 by the end of the first day. 25,000 by the next day. 42,000 in six days.

[@philcowan5456]

Notification squad! Sort yourself oot buccos!

[@duckslinger999]

F

[@Odysseus123]

Got to the video before my notification went off

[@nulifidianpos9089]

Phil Cowan - CHEERS MATE

[@Ruairoquai]

What is the bucko thing all about?

[@supatimefunshow]

Obviously you need to sort yourself out.

[@Grantien0479]

Honestly i just love listening to his stories

[@drjurcheck]

your lectures are of stunnig intelectual value. thank you for sharing this with us.

[@softables]

so badly want to go to one of his lectures/speeches.. ANYTHING.

[@matkozivcic7338]

I had to check if i accidentally set the video speed to 1.5

[@essedrako5143]

that's ilegal

[@imaxinsertnounherex]

I was just looking for something to watch! thank you for your hard work.

[@izawaniek2568]

Absolutely brilliant and thought-provoking. Thank you Jordan Peterson.

[@quan7umjack]

maybe conscientiousness is more a measure of long-term reliability. As in, no short term lab task can show you that. Anyone can focus and do a dull repetitive task for a while. But conscientious people are the people who will wake up every day, and without someone nagging them, do the task themselves for 3 hours a day, for 5 years just because they are "supposed" do it. Just a thought from listening to the "we have no clue what conscientiousness is" portion.

[@hermanf1986]

I think they're aware of what conscientious people are but they haven't found personality traits or leanings that can predict people's level of conscientiousness before they become evident through observation

[@SayelorYT]

@@hermanf1986 yeah exactly there’s no animal model or brain model that predicts conscientiousness

[@odin5239]

If I had to guess about a predictor for conscientiousness, I'd probably guess that their dopamine hit is backloaded to the completion of a task, with no real correlation towards what that task is. Something like their brains quite literally are better at delaying gratification by delaying it until the job is finished, as opposed to tasks within the job being finished.

[@clarencejbos]

@ 19:50 Could I have heard this 20 years ago? My goodness. How can a person I never met, who is speaking at a place I have never been to, hit the nail on the head so accurately.

[@moonlitbliss]

One of the most pivotal, pertinent lectures.

[@libraryofthemind]

I love cleaning my room while learning about orderliness.

[@870Slager]

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[@TroyAPeterson]

I've been formulating a theory for about three years and had a breakthrough this weekend. I wanted to do some research and thought Dr. Peterson might be a good place to start, this talk is pretty much the gold mine I was looking for. When I realized the publish date was yesterday. It made me chuckle how ideas float around and come to order.

[@alohi79]

I love it when a Dr Peterson lecture i haven't heard auto loads. 🤙

[@STUPIDHUMAN]

I think industriousness may have something to do with a person's stamina throughout the day. This idea came to me because I scored low in industriousness and it made sense to me because I have such low stamina that it takes me a while to do something and once I do something it won't be long before I need a break. I have went through times in my life where I was becoming more industrious and it was getting easier by the day. It only started getting easier after I abandoned my one-meal-a-day diet and began to eat food at certain times of the day out of necessity.

[@sheppycider123]

Fascinating. I wonder if Peterson is familiar with Thomas sowell who does an excellent breakdown of why the Jews and cultures like it are so easily scapegoated.

[@MrRozburn]

ImNotMoose The middle man culture

[@allotherlightsgoout]

I thought of the middle man as discussed by Sowell, too, while watching this.

[@cameronmapes]

I think the link between conscientiousness and depression is fascinating. Specifically in what it would say about a conscientious person’s appraisal of their own competence at a job for example. I had been depressed for awhile for multiple reasons and perhaps one cause (or effect, I’m not sure) of that depression was my own negative appraisal of how good I was at my job. Because I didn’t see myself as particularly effective at my job, I chose to work fewer hours and budget more. I put off planning my career because I didn’t feel good enough to progress in it. My friend is a counselor and one day I was describing how I was disgusted by how messy my roommate was. I told her I needed everything in order. She said that surprised her because she always saw me as much more relaxed (not conscientious). Well over time, when I started taking more responsibility and realizing I was more competent at my job than I had initially thought, I became hyper conscientious at it, basically doubling my hours and the amount of clients I was working with. Could it be that some people who exhibit signs of low consciousness are simply portraying that to the world to cover their guilt over not being as competent as they believe they should be? And once those negative thoughts are dealt with, their true conscientiousness can manifest itself?

[@pepeman3099]

Nice to see someone take an honorable stand in the issues. Makes is even better that he won't back down. "You can dislike my stance, but I ain't movin"!

[@shamsham8328]

Higher conscientiousness being related to less anxiety might also be because of their mindset relating to time/permanence. For example, we have all been through a bad breakup that leaves us feeling terrible and heartbroken. What do our friends always tell us? "It's hard right now but time will heal your heart". People who are lower in conscientiousness I think tend to live more immediately, in the moment, and thus have a hard time grasping that their current situation is not permanent and have an inability to look towards the future to a situation where they don't feel anxious. I think the level of permanence of a situation can greatly increase/decrease its level of anxiety. If you get a tattoo it is much less stressful than if you were kidnapped being tortured with needles because there is an amount of uncertainty about your future situation and ability to change that stressful situation.

[@walterjames8230]

yeah but knowing something is not permanent is also a source of anxiety if they can imagine good when everything is bad which can be relaxing, they can also imagine bad when everything is good which is stressing

[@Wonderology]

I'm very high in conscientiousness. I experience less anxiety mostly because I make sure to order my life so that I wouldn't experience it. At the same time, I have felt a lot of distress during times when things haven't gone exactly how I wanted them to, and it can take me a very long time to be able deal with that.

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

Rise of authoritarian governments and behaviors after a disease spreading across 🤔I wonder why I am familiar with this idea

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

@@Outstanding_Gal chrony capitalism there’s difference This is far from capitalism in a libertarian sense

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

@@Outstanding_Gal exactly but once these companies emerge they gather around and work with lobbyists in order to make competition harder for other companies to emerge and rival them and introduce new regulations that work for the benefit of themselves and make the barrier for entering even harder so the fully free market without limiting regulatory environment would actually help other emerging companies to rival them and they will not be the monopoly duopoly or polyopoly for long there has to be always challenging side but once big companies get established and made their friends in Washington that challenging force gets demolished in the process so that’s why true free market without government intervention is the way to prevent

[@mbadiou]

Very powerful and informative lecture. Thank you Jordan.

[@GRRStarcraft]

This is probably my favorite yet.

[@AstroPwny]

I would love to see a reference to V for Vendetta in this lecture. I would also like to see his point of view on how news outlets blow diseases and such, like ebola, out of proportion.

[@AstroPwny]

I dont think they do it consciously, although it may be. They may be driven by similar forces to the German population. Id love to hear Dr.Petersons explanation of that phenomena. Because these types on news stories seem to be reoccurring.

[@TylerLeVander]

Just going to bump this for modern context

[@kebabas222]

Damn, I forgot my homework. My room is still untidy.

[@RynouGaming]

kebabas222 i did so much housework during this hour

[@twoscoopz4944]

disgusting. . . .

[@yunyunpilled]

kebabas222 *disgust intensifies*

[@elenilouarasi2828]

From the present time now , Spring of 2020 and the facts the world has to face, we sure can tell that precious lecture was taking place in the past!

[@nelsonenriquematutegoni7470]

The best video so far from this lecture!!!!

[@jeffrudloff1153]

These kids in this class, showing up late, playing on their phones......they have no idea the knowledge they are being given.

[@MrWadeBarrett]

It's time to sort yourself out, boys!

[@Malouco]

I love u doctor Peterson!!!!!!! U hv no idea how much u hv helped me! I hope 🤞 kids listen to you

[@wvhollargirl7549]

I now have a few hours of JP lectures, interviews, and debates under my belt. I have heard him speak of the immeasurable Conscienciousness. Hearing about the failures of the testing and the theories he shared, my thoughts went to motivation. Most industrious and orderly people I work with seem to be motivated with Fear. It seems as though a basic part of their genetic make up. Fear of ambiguity, failure to supply basic needs such as food and housing. Overly focused on structure, a hyper need to predict outcomes. Just a thought as I pondered the subject.

[@DinoDogan]

Terence Mckenna might have an interesting theory regarding conscientiousness. He might say that people who are high in conscientiousness (which is -as you frequently have pointed out- tied to disgust) are the fall back strategy for the process unfolding. We can call that process an evolution if we like, or something else, but I like the generic abstraction above it, hence "process unfolding". While the rest of us omnivore monkeys are eating anything and everything to survive and move the evolutionary needle forward, often by ingesting mind-expanding drugs as TM proposes and I second, some of us better develop an aversion to this process or we risk self-extermination. Being open, extroverted, and willing to try anything is a high-risk / high-reward strategy. So channeling my inner TM, I'd say that conscientious high disgust group are a fall back strategy for evolution. I have to admit that there's a bit of an uncomfortable hole in my proposal. It's the disgust that is the active ingredient in this process, and I'm not sure which way the causation goes. Does disgust produce conscientiousness, or does conscientiousness produce disgust? If disgust produced conscientiousness I'd feel a lot better about my Terence Mckenna theory. And thank you Mr. Peterson. You've changed my life.

[@efleishermedia]

Hey bud. Seeing that you're familiar with Terence, do you see many similarities between JP and TM's messages? Jordan told us to be heroic by cleaning our rooms, Terence told us to take the heroic dose... I wish they could have a conversation today :)

[@geoff_lol]

The story about the guy with OCD hit me right in the feels :(

[@simonang1510]

Sounds like it would make a good movie plot

[@judiechamblee9581]

o my god...peterson is amazing he has studied history so much it is fabulous and thank god he is a genius and powerful enough to bring his studies to us via u tube....PLEASE TEACH THIS IN ALL COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WORLD WIDE

[@cloisterene]

His inspired lectures deserve applause and standing ovations.

[@ellyess7203]

Einstein was very untidy. His desk was a mess of heaps of stuff.

[@1do2likeU]

What does that say about him? That he was highly creative and super focused on the things that he found the most important and not care much about anything else?

[@Mikrobyk]

"See you on thursday" - he said. But where can I find thursday's lecture?

[@gehesnuts2444]

Um actually I think he meant in Thursday

[@burry218]

This is such a brilliant lecture. It's so dense with knowledge, I'm struggling to keep up.

[@Pose005]

Your knowledge is invaluable