2015 Maps of Meaning Lecture 02a: Object and Meaning (Part 1)

Maps of Meaning is a course based on the book Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief. This lecture describes the perception of meaning as something prior to and distinct from the perception of objects.
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[@cuayhbv]

Peterson can make you beleave at leasst for a moment that you could think as clear as he does.

[@NaturalEarthTones]

Exactly

[@SavatageIsMyReligion]

you can, but you need to read more :)

[@christian2i]

This seems clear to you? Dig deeper

[@evalzeyn9730]

You clearly can. Keep studying their isn't anything better to do than sharpen your mind.. it's the best weapon.

[@ModernSocrates]

@@SavatageIsMyReligion really random but Savatage is also my religion. Glad somebody else knows about them lol

[@jamienelson3470]

How do I never, ever get tired of these lectures?

[@eKoush]

because they have meaning

[@jedjedjedjedjedjed]

Because you're an erect lobster with a clean room 😅

[@mikeflannery7219]

Same

[@jamienelson3470]

@Ant3_14 Indeed. Well said!

[@elliekuidrob6818]

The subject matter will always be immediately relevant, well as long as life persists to exist.

[@chris432t6]

This is the equivalent to hearing a great piece of music. Every time you hear it, it lifts your spirit without fail.

[@crystakovala2694]

Man, I could listen to this man speak for hours. The ability to analyze, dissect and bring into clarity so many deep and disparate subjects-and how they interact-is what makes JBP a next level genius.

[@michaelyadchuk7269]

Man thank you so goddamn much. I'm 17 years old and so that makes me a little bit on the impulsive end of things--always looking for meaning in little installments here and there. I watched Maps of meaning for the first time like 8 months ago when I was depressed beyond belief, refused to try new things, and vowed to torture myself by "self-induced catatonia" where I'd just basically sit and do nothing (besides fixate my gaze on some point on my ceiling or wall) for all my free time, like 5 hours a day at least. That went on for like 2 years and then I recovered a little but I still had that thick fog of nihilism around me. And man, Maps of meaning didn't do it overnight but (slowly) it built me a conceptual model for understanding the world that really matched my temperament. I've rewatched it again 3 months ago and I'm gonna do it again now (I don't think I ever watched the 2015 version anyway).

[@adwait5012]

First thing ..i am kinda strucked how a 15 year old kid can se so depressed..but then again COVID lockdown our solitary confinements in homes were the cause of nihilism for most of us ..i am glab you are feeling good ..i am watching this first time ..since i don't live in west and 90% of refrences and stories used by Jordan are baised around western societies....at last ..i don't know if i am dumb ..but i really liked your comment..like your words were very nice ...

[@magnusboesen5389]

@@adwait5012 Youre definetly not dumb. Also, nice comment you wrote:)

[@kesselsol]

Thats hecking great man. I'm similar, watched JP when I needed help. His university lectures are a godsend.

[@nicholaskaminski4970]

these lectures are extremely interesting. you are extremely insightful and full of so much good informatoin. thanks for posting these, I will watch them all!

[@learningenglishpath8148]

Amazing how much healthier Jordan Peterson looks four years after this.

[@canceladorey]

@@ZM-dm3jg so same

[@BudFuddlacker]

He doesn’t look ‘unhealthy’ here

[@teok5665]

@@ZM-dm3jg I wouldn't say so, he looks good in his recent podcasts

[@teok5665]

@@ZM-dm3jg I see, I see, man he was struggling for a long time, it's so good to have him back

[@EffySalcedo]

JP came out of the woods as a shaman.

[@kingoncommonlaw130]

i love this man - i wish him and his family well

[@kyreshlcsw2229]

You said that love and truth are the two poles that should guide you. I feel your video are gifts based on love and you tell what you know as the truth. Thank you. I work in a dark place where I see shattered people. Thank you for helping me.

[@JacquelynNewmandivine]

What do you do

[@magnusboesen5389]

Thank you for showing your support, he needs it know more than ever.

[@cabbage9926]

A peculiar trend online is "SCIENCE SAYS XYZ." As someone who studies science, hammered into our heads is 'Science doesn't say anything, findings are merely suggestions under specific conditions.' I'm finding that most the time, we don't even know the full extent of those conditions. Generally speaking, people have given science the authority of an all-knowing creator. What "science says" is taken as absolutes. The reality is that science is anything but an absolute. I've come to the conclusion that people want absolutes because it is a simplification. Creatures are hard-wired to minimize any energy expenditure, one can assume that includes our thoughts. It's difficult to piece together "truth" because of scale. And humans haven't evolved to consider all scales. You have to force that kind of thinking. It's like what you, Jordan, were getting at with things breakdown the smaller you get. Where my life is leading me is the idea that nothing is absolute but much is conditional. For my own survival and the survival of humans as a social group, I must regulate myself as a moral being navigating a physical world. Social and personal morality cannot be substituted by Science. Science cannot provide meaning. And I believe in a world without meaning and full of absolutes, you end up with people who are certain of one condition. It's ultimately nihilistic. My version of your obsession with the cold war, is the return of Marxist philosophies.

[@MadMensDen]

Yeah, we regulate ourselves around others for pragmatic reasons, if we didn't interaction would be insufferable. It's why people reject SJWs, they try to break the rules and regulate interaction, which in turn is counterproductive. Like the regulations when it comes to men interacting or joking with and about women are just making men drop out of interactions with women. It's obvious this would happen, but SJWs don't know jack-shit about human interaction so they just claim that it's sexism or some shit. There are objective truths, but that's in the hard sciences. Applied sciences, social sciences and humanities also hold objective truths, but they are broad and are sort of an umbrella under which all the extremes variations fall. I usually express that I know nothing, but I believe that that philosophy is to keep yourself intellectually humble by always examining what you think you know. Postmodernists deny meaning, especially overarching meaning, they're basically deconstructionist + Marxist + nihilist.

[@HermeticJazz]

It's also why a lot of people are rejecting Atheists which are the same as SJW's. They try to make belief a zero sum game. (If you dont believe in God, you must be an Atheist. IF you dont actively participate in a religion, but believe in God you are also probably an Atheist. According to the rhetoric of Atheist Activist organizations.)

[@allmendoubt4784]

Parenting is absolutism, it's addictive to children. The why game - an 8 year old's first tase of real power.

[@TheRyanf112]

You are a very wise cabbage indeed

[@KiwiFuel]

So religions/paradigms are a sort of complete structure, a lens through which to filter chaos. The sort of philosophy the professor is giving here itself is a paradigm, but this paradigm is one that allows the entirety of any other paradigm to be viewed. Most viewpoints/perspectives disassemble other paradigms. This is a lens that allows other lenses to viewed that would otherwise be invisible. It is also a thing which gives birth to paradigms as well, like a sort of tool that creates tools. Good stuff. I wish I could chat with the man.

[@dindindundun8211]

Phil C Yeah! The crazy things about facts is that they don't come packaged with what ought to be done with them.

[@AustinTXRealEstatebyFelix]

wow. wow. wow. speechless, but the mind is racing. Thank you Mr. Peterson.

[@TiempoNuevo-ew7ty]

Jordan is a hair younger than me. Talk to the people now in their 70-80..... find out what they experienced as children. One of my earliest memories is an aunt and my mother talking about the war in South Korea.... I know by how they were talking it was not at all a good thing. I was about 6 - When we move from a small town to St. Louis.... every thing changed.... no more extended family dropping by.... strangers in school.. different levels of subjects... and then a couple of years later I remember air raid sirens going off all of the time. But the ones that were really terrifying were the ones that we had to hide from (bombs) that might hit our school. We had to hunker down under our desks just in case it go hit. (the bombs were only imaginary - but just the though was terrifying. I spent many sleepless nights in Jr. High and High School fantasizing how I would survive. The scenarios were many. I got over it a bit in the 70's... and for a hair in the late 60's. In the mid 70's - 80's the anti war movements, feminism, drugs in some ways were far worse than the 60's 70's. Everything was popping, including the environmental groups, As well as new families who began to raise babies, and the beginning of the Service Economy which managed to gradually affect a long of industry, farming, small businesses, moral values, church, divorce rates, and less variety in the job market skills and income. It felt like we were all living on a run away train. With all of that an more in past, I have to say I really don't know if we will make it this time...because most people are still asleep as to the whole of our reality.... they do not even have the same information and what new is out is always twisted, or out and out lies, thereby the division of the American People. It is that division that is our greatest weakness and has been for decades. But please do not give up you thoughts, ideas, goodness.... the future is in our hands and our will power.

[@castielsfavorite]

Looking back at these videos makes me so happy to see that he has gotten healthier and is taking care of himself.

[@Reymundodonsayo]

I’ve noticed in a lot of his lectures he picks up the can or bottle and holds it for a bit then puts it back without ever drinking.

[@isaacc3307]

Its because it has POTENTIAL. Just not enough at that very moment to justify a sip with the consequence being that he lost his place in thought.

[@cheapalopod8563]

he is just trying to build some bicep muscle

[@vothaison]

There's a voice i his head saying "don't drink it".

[@aamirmajeed2040]

Not always

[@Reymundodonsayo]

Aamir Majeed schuruuup!

[@TroyMurrayREAL]

Really interesting stuff Dr. Peterson, thank you for giving this knowledge out. Reminds me of being back in my Symbol classes for PR in college.

[@cabbage9926]

Synteny maps provide an interesting visual of genomic similarities between species. The easiest maps to understand are ones that compare the chromosome sets of two species. For one species, each chromosome is assigned a unique colour; all genes on that chromosome are one colour. The second species each chromosome will be shown as a mish-mash of those colours because the colours correspond to genes of similarity to Species A, the colour identifies where in species A it is found. In the end, you see just how similiar many species are in terms of basic genetic material. Differences are found in the order of genes.

[@ericjoshua_]

1:21:00 I admire Jordan Peterson’s fight with the dragon (history and its awful sides) to actually imitate and hear his experience linguistically. Perhaps, I would learn something from him. :)

[@squareroots6003]

I never thought that I would want to visit anywhere but New York in the US, but listening to him describe the missile silo, I want to go there, like now. so exciting.

[@cabbage9926]

hasan farhat There is one in South Dakota too. Just outside of the Badlands National Park, Minutemen Missile Site. Those are two incredible stops.

[@Kaihku]

@ 58:27 When he talks about Unit 52 I think he means "Unit 731".

[@guitar0wnz]

Unit 52 is where they did it with aliens

[@ajr01-x6e]

"Everything's basically a bat." -Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, 2015

[@finneganmcbride6224]

That Guy Andy I read this at the exact same time he said it!

[@jean-vincentkassi8523]

Really ?

[@luckydave328]

😂👍

[@sudharsanc.v2458]

I'm batman

[@xtremefps_]

DOMINANCE HARKY

[@reesaspieces86]

I can’t unhear this!

[@juliabeltran9817]

Lol

[@pavels8890]

the first time in my life that i can listen to a rational criticism of atheists. you are amazing Jordan

[@magnusboesen5389]

Yeah. This has changed my view on beliefs. Im by no means religious, and never have been, but I wouldn't consider myself an atheist either - ist just too nihilistic, I think. There is definitely good in this world - there is also the opposite. If you cant put something at the top of your hierarchy, you are godless in a very real sense. Despite my disbelief in religion, Im aware that hell is real, and that you dont need to pass on to the next world to get to experience it.

[@ThePAnders101]

When does he begin to mention cocaine?

[@Catinca.c]

man this comment had me dying hahahahaahah i was lookin for the same thing

[@Proxima256]

catinca colesniuc and? When does he talk about it?

[@anondeilvers91]

when does he begin mention eating children?

[@JimJones-ih1er]

climb that hierarchy climb climb climb climb climb, keep climbing *snorts* yeah yeah yeah

[@HermeticJazz]

Around the time he says Cocaine you should be nose deep in the stuff. That's what Hitler believed and that's worth fighting for. Also I don't think it is in this video, I think that is in part 2. Plus Cocaine helps you to Clean Your Room Bucko.

[@GenericScreenName808]

Seeing how far he’s gotten with these theories in spring 2024 is crazy

[@protajik]

I started watching 2017 lectures series. And now here I am 😅

[@victor_bueno_br]

In the beginning of indo-european society, there were 3 classes: the warriors, in charge of defending the people; the farmers, who produced foods and tools; and the priests, head of the religious rites and stories. The King was chosen as the one guy who was the best at all the three classes at the same time. So he had to be a formidable warrior, a great worker and a wise priest, all at the same time. That is the kind of man worthy to be called King

[@patriciafleming9293]

Thanks!

[@cobalt9000]

YOURE READY MAN!

[@MusicBoxHourMelodies]

How could even be possible that i never get tired of every single hour that i spend watching this this masterpiece.

[@septemberdreamer2651]

thank you for this lecture

[@joeschmoe1193]

Just after 3:00 Peterson hits on a more modern explanation of evolution. A dance between the environment and the organism. But it's not a dance. The organism follows the environment as Bruce Lipton explains how cells work in biology of belief. Cells receive signals from the environment through receptors in the cell membrane. Receptors then activate proteins which performs a function. Proteins don't do a thing unless it is activated by a signal. Selection seems to be a mischaracterization. Nature doesn't select, it dictates. Genetic changes are not random. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJvNYauMgpmrZ6s

[@zapoo61099]

Unit 731 Book referenced by JP at minute 58:00

[@sparta117corza]

Dominance hierarchies, Older than trees ! Younger than rocks... probably.

[@robertgarvey4069]

Corey Wood realer than trees! Maybe not as real as rocks.

[@akkadian102]

Country roads take me home!

[@tommiehurst8310]

Roughly speaking as far as he can tell

[@ACConant]

"It's not that easy to start a mass movement!" Oh yeah, Dr. Peterson?

[@platostone5178]

Imagine Jordan on lsd! He'll damn near cure cancer

[@GohnwithaG]

JP: Don't read unit 52, you'll read things you won't be able to get out of your head Me: (Googles Unit 52) Its 731 btw and it's that bad

[@GrubKiller436]

First the Rape of Nanking. Second Unit 731. One nuke for that sin. Another nuke for that one.

[@deBarnik]

Marxism, not even once.

[@PatrickBateman1987]

H_Balck big whoop

[@truthseeker104]

My own view is that in a society with larger hierarchical structures, there is a tendency for psychpathic individuals and those with similar traits to get to the top as they are easily able to act the part of the ideal person without any moral integrity. A psychpathic character without conscience or empathy will be able to do literally anything to maintain power and the dominance of the ego increases a lust for power. In older tribal structures, these people would have been rooted out and a little accident would have befallen them, perhaps on a hunting trip. You get to a very dangerous place when society grows as large as it is today because it becomes very difficult to root out people like that. Much of the planned future is written by the RIIA and their sub group CFR etc so it is likely that Nietzsche had access to the establishment and knew the agenda, refer to Alan Watt to find extensive documented research on this topic.

[@jeromedenis100]

I miss those lectures, Jordan waa clearly a brillant professor, i hope some of those lucky students will carry the flame.

[@magnusboesen5389]

I agree. Being a student at university myself, I cant help wondering if there was as much absence as there is in the classes i take. If his students payed attention. I really hope they did, Jordan is a genius - but more importantly, a good man.

[@truthseeker104]

The ability to decide whether we are under any form of control in the "conspiracy sense" really comes down to the ability to self analyse and understand where the root of thoughts come from, in a deeper sense than so far conveyed in this lecture. A starting point in civilisation would be to study language and the limitations created by linguistic minimalism but not only that, what restrictions are already present without the addition of linguistic minimalism. Also on the topic of money, does it really serve a natural system, or does it benefit those who create and run the moneyed system? To extend this idea into the subject matter presented, how does a moneyed system interfere with a natural human system of needs and values? By the way I don't believe in communism, socialism or fascim (or any other ism for that matter) before anybody jumps to conclusions!

[@AllieMoonSailor]

Oooo I got this information down. Then I try to explain it to someone myself and I convey 40% of the information at best. Having ideas in your head but then trying to explain them (at least for me) the information isn’t even close to being articulated as well. But yes we’re talking about the master idea/wordsmith Jordan Peterson.

[@llallogan]

Spandrel was used to argue against people thinking everything was selected for by natural selection directly. People don't necessarily claim something is a spandrel if they don't know a use for it. Probably since evo-devo has really developed and matured people don't really think in those terms anymore, although I am more familiar with molecular developmental biology than something like evolutionary behaviorism. I wouldn't be surprised if many younger faculty members who specialize in developmental biology don't even know the term. Certainly most grad students in molecular and cell biological programs wouldn't.

[@Toxodos]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 weirdly enough it shows up when you google "unit 52"

[@TheJojoaruba52]

J. Peterson is a cyborg that is fueled by Diet Coke. No human can talk intelligently for an hour without notes and then do another lecture that is completely different the next week also without notes.

[@freeyourmind4349]

Then you’ve never seen Dr. Micheal Sugrue…man, there is levels to this stuff

[@TheNME]

the last 10mins of the lecture... man i would bet on this jordan against anyone, but to think that todays jordan is the higher version of this is just... confusing

[@adwait5012]

Exactly man ...this is sooo super frustrating to see ..Jordan only talks about religion and politics these days ..and i am tired 😩 obviously it is his life and his choice ..but nowadays..it seems like he is always repeating same thing .. politics, religion,LGBTQ,sex...that's all 😩

[@Robert_H_Brown]

Thank you Jordan Peterson

[@terryharris516]

A verse in the bible, and I was taken up into the third heaven. And I wondered what in the hell that meant, because I studied the Bible and I had never heard of the Idea of 3 different heavens. So like the Bible says to do, I thought about it, meditated on it, and then prayed about it. And then, "light bulb" I realized there is the heavens that the birds fly through, our atmosphere, then there is the heavens, where the starry hosts are, the cosmos. Then there is where we all conceive of where God resides, the "Heaven". And when I realized this, I was like duh, stupid. And that is when I realized that the ancients were not as stupid as we think. We have forgotten a lot of what they took for granted as ordinary knowledge, with out which people are cast off from their moorings and are clueless like the professor says quite a bit about the modern day atheists. Like the Bible says "believing themselves wise the became as fools".

[@skyler114]

ITEOTWAWKI61, "believing themselves wise the became as fools" fits pretty aptly wouldnt you say?

[@lotariovergamota6984]

Hinduism is a religion that leads constantly to these revelations. One takes a given propostition that seems absurd. When it is researched enough, an important metaphysical and philosophical truth emerges revealing the true meaning of the mythos. Like most things mystical, if one is not up to go deep enough its meaning never comes to light.

[@allmendoubt4784]

Don't stop there - www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/seventh-heaven

[@luckydave328]

Peterson was born in June 1962. He was four months old at the time of the Cuban missile crisis. That was a peak of general fear. I don't know anybody that ever got that worried again about nuclear destruction. Except perhaps Russians !

[@mfasnoza1778]

Levels of loyalty and honor can be tested quite simply.

[@ni3kyYT]

That nietzsche quote "I write in one sentence what other people couldn't write in an entire book" I think that it would only be possible to discuss complex things as a distillation. It's not anything too crazy to say really. And we all do it all the time. When we think about a human being. We see his face and his body, arms and legs too. Yet we do not think of the bones muscles and cells and atoms that make up that man. There is no point in over explaining things because it could go on forever.

[@davidfarrall]

The Cuban missile crisis was in 1962 and the magnificent film Dr Strangelove was put out in 1964, only two years later. Quick insight maybe. The second Cold War in the 80s, Thatcher, Reagan years also passed. The nuclear deterrent has operated for about 80 years and we’re still here. It’s impossible to compute probabilities on nuclear war but as time continues to pass, things look safer, especially if the World becomes even more United.

[@nHautamaki]

'You can make a case that deep value structures that drive us are real' Yes, but that doesn't preclude materialism. All the materialist would say is that the deep value structures which we feel are in fact just atoms and chemicals and energy bouncing around in your brain, being self-perceived by our consciousness. When religious people reject materialism what they are really rejecting is the idea of material cause and effect, because they want to believe that people have a free will which is not caused by material phenomena but rather by some kind of immortal soul. That is the proposition that materialists argue against. Not that ideas and values and whatnot that consciousnesses can have or perceive are not in any sense at all real. Just that such things are actually just our consciousnesses self-perception of actual material and energy that actually exists inside our own brains. I guess another way to put it is that there is a clear and fundamental difference between saying that an idea exists, and that there is an actual physical token of that idea that also must exist in the material world. Materialists agree that we have ideas--but they disagree that those ideas must necessarily have a corresponding physical existence other than natural physical phenomena that's happening inside your own brain when you have those ideas.

[@darklord220]

which set of neuronal processes are type - identical with the "deep value structure" he speaks of?

[@nHautamaki]

darklord220 That's a great question for an actual neuro-scientist! I imagine that someone like Sam Harris would probably have a good answer, or at least, the best answer that modern science has so far. But of course there is still so much of the brain that we don't understand. But I do think that we understand enough from a philosophical standpoint to be able to say that the brain is a purely material entity. How exactly it works is the next question, but the question that it works purely materially is basically asked and answered. It's sort of like saying that the fact that there are still unanswered questions about how quarks behave at the quantum level could imply that there is something supernatural about how lightbulbs work.

[@darklord220]

+Nic Hautamaki the lecturer is not introducing any supernatural category. I am not aware of any neuroscience that indicates we can correlate (that is , in a 1 to 1 fashion) values or intentional mental states with neuronal states. of course jordan never states that the "deep value structures" mean there is more than one substance in this world. you can account for higher level categories like value without resorting to reductive or eliminative materialism or outright substance dualism. that's why jordan is taking the biological route; these categories are part of the natural world just like liquidity or solidity are. he is not too different from John Searle in this regard.

[@darklord220]

+Nic Hautamaki also as an aside, it is a mistake to think that an absence of knowledge gives you proof of anything. this is like what the creationist does is it not? "we have not found yet but this is proposition is true" is obviously logically unsound.

[@nHautamaki]

darklord220 I just don't know why you would say ' reductive or eliminative materialism'. The only thing that materialism reduces or eliminates is the supernatural. By definition all other natural phenomenon are compatible with the materialist viewpoint.

[@damorevo4013]

hero

[@willhoonforfood4463]

That dominance harky doh.

[@BlindEyeJones]

Art or beauty is not pragmatic but people have an interest in it. You're building a pyramid of values based on pragmatism. It doesn't always work. People can be disinterested. Curiosity and wonder aren't always colored by the practical.

[@h0ust0nwehaveapr0blem]

1:11:19 Good one

[@shinigami-man5727]

Thank you martin

[@TechsYouCantLiveWithout]

Clean your dominance hierarchy!

[@grimuk3817]

Well, I am surprised. I did not think I would hear a scientific error - or, false truth - from Mr Peterson. However ... Chimp DNA is NOT 98.8% identical to Human DNA ... By any standard. The truth is, when comparing our DNA, they did not know how to categorize the differences that they found. If, for example, they found a block of code that was different, should they categorize that as a single change, or many changes. The same was said for blocks of code that were backwards or broken up and between other code. Was this many changes, or a single change? Again, they could not agree. The long and short of it is this: They simply _removed_ all of the changes; *thousands* of sequences (1.3 *_billion_* letters), and then compared what was left. And what was _left_ was 98.77% identical. So how much did they remove ... *25% of Human DNA, and 18% of Chimp DNA.* So we are not even *_close_* to being identical. This is the way science operates; Half truths and out-right lies.

[@mickeyslaven]

Grim UK interesting, do you have any links about this on hand?

[@grimuk3817]

@@mickeyslaven kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5O8YmVoeLh2a9k And here is Dawkins lying through his back teeth. Making an extremely slow walk through a handful of letters, trying to give the impression that these single letter differences are negligible; kzbin.info/www/bejne/jX6znaVqqalpaqM Science lies to us because to propose anything that is not evolutionary ... Is to forfeit all funding.

[@SavatageIsMyReligion]

@@grimuk3817 You are probably right but I don't think that Peterson has had bad intentions or that he was aware of this mistake. I mean, for sure he does mistakes sometimes, and that's okay. Do you think he was aware? I am curious.

[@grimuk3817]

@@SavatageIsMyReligion Given his stance, I would comfortably acknowledge that Jordan is _for_ the people. He is not - in my humble opinion - out there to mislead or deceive anyone. And anyone (without an agenda) who has listened to what he says, and has the mind to discern its wisdom, can not claim otherwise. So, no, I don't think it was intentional. I was merely surprised that a man who believes in a theistic reality would lean so heavily on an evolutionary lie - wittingly or otherwise.

[@SavatageIsMyReligion]

@@grimuk3817 Thank you for answering, mate! Fair argument. Enjoy!

[@jiasmi11]

Is there a list of book recommendations for this video? I listened to it with my hands dirty (cooking) so I didn’t pause it every time he listed a great read

[@jiasmi11]

Never mind, I’ll just listen to it again from the beginning lol. Taking notes!

[@tomhardyy1]

​@@jiasmi11you can go check out 12 rules for life, beyond and the main theme of this video by the book called maps of meaning. Its all written by Jordan peterson

[@kazisiddiqui6435]

Russia used slave labor for the following reason: Russia has no geographical barrier protecting them from Western invasion. The West had already invaded them twice before WWII. In order to defend against such invasions, they needed to hold on to the land to their east. Even these days, Russia doesn't really have the option to contract in the east without threatening national collapse. They don't have the manpower to hold on to the east without dictatorial government and harsh policies. On top of that, they were trying to modernize at a rapid pace because they believed a capitalist invasion was imminent owing to flawed Marxist analyses of economics. And the country was being run by brutal men who cared nothing for personal freedom. Stalin was literally a bank robber.

[@jessemontano762]

Damn. Well put....

[@theresabronkhorst6555]

Genius in action

[@ericbriggs7383]

I missed the "very tiny sentence" he was going to present at 1:17:15 I listened to it the rest of the way and never heard it.

[@beerj1992]

+Eric Briggs I think it is summed up by something like this: "The idea of the perfect human is represented by the capability of climbing to the top of the dominance hierarchy across sets of dominance hierarchies." A manifestation of this is the evidence that females select for males with the capability of being successful across multiple environments.

[@ericbriggs7383]

beerj1992​ yeah I got the message by the end of the video, I was just hoping for some brilliant concise way to sum it all up into one tiny sentence. Also I ended up finding and watching part 2 to this video which further elaborates on the topic. Thanks anyways for the effort to clear things up.

[@mfasnoza1778]

The chemical waste hidden in Cyprus caused poison in the land and water and so future lessons were tought so that priorities were learnt early on. The land, water and livestock is more important than gold

[@davidbrown160]

around 5 minutes, that's why they came up with mutual funds, the original genius Quant idea that is actually functional and builds up the economy rather than clipping its wings off

[@kyreshlcsw2229]

I appreciate you.

[@brianlund7862]

Love ya JP but patriot missiles are mid range air defense missiles not ICBMs nor were they ever intended to be. They can only track targets about 100km off and chances of hitting at that range are minimal

[@zedlepplin9450]

33:05 there you go, the first emergence of the Lobster JBP

[@amen1-i2y]

I need korean cc... even eng cc is oky..

[@Ren-1979]

I don't agree with everything, but I like the form of building an argument.

[@abramgaller2037]

Darwin's theory does favor complexity .As an organism develops complexity it can survive in a greater number of ecological niches.

[@dirtycasual3094]

I have , somehow, developed a form of epilepsy in adulthood. I will admit that to call the experience of the "aura" a 'religious' experience is very accurate. The sensation is so deeply rooted that I can not describe the area that I sense it in. It almost feels like it's a mass of energy being siohoned from my body through the top of my head? It seems to manifest the feeling i can only describe as the sensation you get when you have an extreme epiphany. An extremely personal "ah-ha!". But then, I end up on the floor.. 😅

[@lioneddy6702]

1:00:20 they are against everyone

[@brunacaroline2583]

He talks and we think about ourselves.

[@jenro7]

I want Jordan Peterson to be my dad... 😢

[@FG-fc1yz]

3:40- 9:00- 13:16,- 20:14-

[@Subtlenimbus]

28:10 Jordan claims that “you” have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. This is only true for the population as a whole, not the individual. Any individual has exactly equal male and female ancestors.

[@quintusfabius]

I don't think this is quite it. Each person has one father + one mother, they each had a father+mother in turn, on and on back. But if you go back far enough, say 500 generations---even just for your own ancestry---many of those men are the same man repeated more than once, while there are a greater number of distinct women in your ancestry.

[@alexejgerstmaier4989]

It's true for the individual. @quintusfabius is right

[@citizen6458]

That's just not true

[@mfasnoza1778]

The King Midas problem is quite obvious now, they forgot about land and how livestock is high maintenance, the object meaning is the maintenance of the natural habitat of the livestock, the object has never been profit in gold, whatsmore my art business has nothing to do with the land, my art business deals in luxury assets but this is clearly subject to the priority of livestock

[@JeffWithAnF]

1:33:11

[@isaacb4586]

Charles S Pierce Fixation of Belief Popular Science Monthly 12 (November 1877), 1-15. "Darwinian controversy is, in large part, a question of logic. Mr. Darwin proposed to apply the statistical method to biology. The same thing has been done in a widely different branch of science, the theory of gases. Though unable to say what the movements of any particular molecule of gas would be on a certain hypothesis regarding the constitution of this class of bodies, Clausius and Maxwell were yet able, eight years before the publication of Darwin's immortal work, by the application of the doctrine of probabilities, to predict that in the long run such and such a proportion of the molecules would, under given circumstances, acquire such and such velocities; that there would take place, every second, such and such a relative number of collisions, etc.; and from these propositions were able to deduce certain properties of gases, especially in regard to their heat-relations. In like manner, Darwin, while unable to say what the operation of variation and natural selection in any individual case will be, demonstrates that in the long run they will, or would, adapt animals to their circumstances. Whether or not existing animal forms are due to such action, or what position the theory ought to take, forms the subject of a discussion in which questions of fact and questions of logic are curiously interlaced."

[@alvarobarcala]

Normally I agree with Mr Peterson in all his lectures, but there's a very actual fact that doesn't fit with what he says. People who are at the top of the hierarchy, whether for wealthiness or that supposed usefulness (which is ultimately the same thing), rarely enjoy a fulfilling relationship with a mate, they are constantly divorcing if not most of the time alone (and not just because of being working much). They might seem attractive but just in a very superficial way that doesn't last much. You can see all their wives flirting with random young guys in the internet (no matter that their husbands are wealthy and useful), while their husbands flirt with their secretaries. From the middle stratus of the pyramid to the top there are plenty of games related with social appearance, and such type of attractions are a "ghost", both in nature and in goal, something that vanish in the air. Instead, you are more likely (and it is more easy) to find a true mate or to be truly chosen (and in a more healthy way -and whether you are useful or not- like mutual understanding or actual appreciation of your personality, instead of power games and search of wealth) if you belong to the bottom of the pyramid (or from the low middle to the bottom), by and for people from that same stratus. In this sense, the hierarchy turns upside down. At the very top of the true attraction and true matting are the people who Peterson sets at the bottom, and at the very bottom of the pyramid of truthful matting and truthful attraction are the people who Peterson consider usefully-wealthy. I like Peterson very much in so many senses, but the problem I find in his type of hierarchic ideas is that they are not based in human values (despite he always talks so much about morals, which is actually good), but in "productive" and "power" aims (he would say that's not power the main goal, but capacity-efficiency... but the goal of the capacity he refers to is not merely the one to make a good job, but ultimately the capacity to reach wealth or power). I mean, his concept of hierarchy (and the whole human behavior entangled to it) is based ultimately on high economy, despite in the middle he sets many other fields. But the inner word of each individual has its own hierarchy of values, of aims, of longings and aspirations, that in many cases, if not all (being each person sincere with their soul), have nothing to do with that high economy-wealth or social power (these last things are vain goals that ultimately are nothing). He makes this trick of saying that women don't look for wealth in men, but being useful... but that's a fallacy (in an attempt to make it look not economical), a fallacy because ultimately the aim of being that type of useful in any circumstance is getting wealth. So, yeah... all his concepts ultimately end obsessively in the very same thing: wealth. Oh, yeah, according to him, women don't look for a wealthy man but for someone useful at any circumstance... but that is "someone who have the capacity to get wealthy at any circumstance": wealth. He is sending to all human males the message that if they are not useful to get wealthy then no woman will be interested in him... ¿¿¿and this is the great psychologist who encourages men and wants to cure their depression??? ¿¿¿Telling them in all ways that their only meaning in life is being useful so to be productive and wealthy and threatening them that if they don't do it they won't get a woman??? ¿¿¿Isn't this a totally F** up notion of responsibility??? He tries very nicely and so hard to motivate and help people (because he is actually an incredible great person), but always setting their goals within this structure-hierarchy that is ultimately economical... and the outcome of that is just more anxiety, more despair, more vain longings, etc, despite the first and very ephemeral sensation of boost that people get. Hope all his investigations in the bible teaches him something. And perhaps he should base more his views on the contact with all kind of people (like for real, not just lecturing) to see how they really behave instead of basing his biased opinions on biased data written on a dead paper and done by biased scientists with biased methods, and claiming that that is absolute truth because it comes from science (when science is giving constantly different views on the same topics, and each day denying what the day before they themselves stated as an absolute truth... as if that's something to rely on). And again, it is curious that someone who analyses the bible talks about "poor and useless" people that way (because yes, his attitude towards them is totally pejorative despite he claims he just refers to data).

[@mfasnoza1778]

The Pandoras box, the guilt or the Gilt, the trick laid out by Zeus, the service of the Arachnid of Aphrodite, it all seems to make sense. Livestock is paramount and wild animals and the wilderness, bread, grains and we must realise the passion of life and stop pretending to be Midas. There is a place for everyone and everything only we must be aware of these issues and not fall into a trao

[@aamirmajeed2040]

1:00:21 There is no such thing as Radical Islam. You should look more into this. Prolly talk with Dr Zakir Naik. Love you. Watching from Indian Occupied Kashmir. Every day i am better person because of your lectures. From Addition to smoke free life and more to come😊😊

[@nelsonenriquematutegoni7470]

Awesome

[@DevInvest]

In the beginning was the word.

[@cagsie3958]

When did all the adverts appear? 😖

[@ryanoliveroland6379]

19:55 = aspartame: uh oh, is this the foreshadowing of some health-related incidences to come?

[@AexisRai]

Q: "Do you think religion is still a universal human characteristic? Because there are many people that go through their lives without practicing any kind of religion-" A: "Nah there aren't. They just think that. ...the reason that I would consider those in the religious domain is because they're systems of value, and they're predicated on fundamental assumptions, that you have to take on faith." So this is his definition of religion? Therefore everyone who has any value structure is religious? Has he ever taken this position before? Why would he rather call those things religions? Separately, his take on what it means to believe something is getting at something interesting. I can agree that someone can be confused about what exactly they believe, and that belief is not precisely a choice. I think there are still problems with casting the "real" _state_ of belief as an ongoing _condition_ of a person acting as if something is true. I think my issue here is from my experience with the definition of belief as (part of) a mental model of reality. When applicable you assume the model is accurate, which causes you to _constrain your anticipated experiences_ as if it is accurate, but you can believe without acting. (Coming from the veganism snippet from "Intellectual Awakening" channel)

[@FourApramanas]

@26:27+ F.w.i.w, regarding selection of mates by female humans, I am not sure historically that choice in the modern sense of ‘no pressure’ much came into it until recently, and then only in societies where the choice of ones mate is not determined by others. I think that historically a significant proportion of ‘selection’ came about through outside pressures and determination up to and including rape. For example, in the Tanakh/Old Testament, one reads of a custom of women apparently subjecting their handmaids to rape by their husbands (e.g Sarah and Hagar; Leah/Rachel and Zilpah/Bilhah; willing consent is not mentioned); or the customs of rape-slavery of the vanquished, family-arranged marriage/marriages arranged to ‘seal a deal’, child-brides and so on.

[@Snickersnack329]

Playing this today there is no audio. Why would that be?

[@adnanmaruf4734]

So,according to Nietzsche the foundation is taken away.Does that mean there is no turning back now?Does Nietzsche have any suggestions how one should go on?

[@danielbad5910]

Read up on his ideas of "active nihilism"... essentially you overcome yourself and turn into your own Superman. :)

[@iamagi]

Adnan Maruf In The real her and now we know if worked fine by just removing religion in for example Sweden. no wars, no totalitarianism etc If you by religion mean wild head believes in the past dominant religion. Removing the cultural memory of the religion would require a mind wipe. I'd just by definition must have a religion as he seam to be saying. I rather use humanism/enlightenment as the cultural base of my religion.

[@Ad-ny4xb]

iamagi Sweden is your example? Removing religion has left an absence in their cultural Identity and worth. Breading nihilism and disenfranchisement of the individual. They have spent the last 50 years deconstructing everything that worked and brought prosperity to them. Now they are living in a totalitarian state built on gender division. No freedom of speech, from property to personal laws are now based on emotion subjectivity instead of an impartial code. Now Islam is filling the void left behind and there is only two outcomes from this situation. They will die off as an oppressed sub citizen in their own land or an ideological/race war. Personally I think regardless of what the Swedish do. Their culture and people are mortally wounded and soon to be just another dead culture in a history filled with dead cultures.

[@danielearnshaw8392]

The ubermensch is Nietzche's solution to the "god is dead" thing.

[@JamesVestal-dz5qm]

Pastor David brown I have been too strict in the law I will try opening my mom up to the gospel today!

[@beingbetterevolutions]

33:02 The lobster foreshadowing

[@luckyluciano6939]

Here we go again

[@L7Mcmacdaddy]

Look at that young man!

[@Purplehairedpimp]

I feel like there is some hidden value in his notion of truth, but I just don't see it yet. I don't think pragmatism can be a proper epistemology, but can only guide 'what we might as well take to be true' at best.

[@NOWABOmusic]

I saw the thumbnail and instantly thought of The 39 Clues. That image has been burned in my brain because of that book series.

[@josephhopkins2851]

Daaaaang. He looks so different compared to now. Night and day difference.

[@visicircle]

32:37 LOBSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!