Saying Goodbye to the G29! Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme vs Logitech G Pro Wheel

[@Dave062YT]

I've had the G Pro since launch and it's absolutely perfect and can't see myself ever changing ,Apart from the amazing feel you get thru the wheel you also feel the feedback thru the pedals [no reviewer ever mentions this ]There aren't motors in the pedals but trueforce is sent from the base thru your cockpit to the pedals .I keep Trueforce to the minimum but couldn't do without it now

[@The_Mup]

You also forgot to mention that at a price of €1300 the DD Extreme only comes with the plastic QR2 lite. The same QR2 lite that Fanatec claims can only handle 8Nm on all their other wheelbases, but for some reason they claim its OK on this 15Nm base. For that amount of money you would think they would at least include the regular metal QR2! Fanatec are the only sim racing brand with a QR tax! Every other brand just gives you a good solid QR right out of the box!

[@Rickk69er]

Great video very knowledgeable with the only problem I have is when you got your PS5 up under that desk with a door shut, that thing needs air. Bro, you gotta get that thing out of there. You're just cooking it

[@mcneillmedia]

I upgraded to the Logitech G Pro and everything about it is FANTASTIC ! Nm power difference is not even a consideration, as above 7.5-8.0 will leave your arms aching after 3 laps. 10+ is not even drivable. If customer service is even slightly important if you have a problem, steer clear (pun intended) of Fanatec. It is non-existent. They only respond to customers considering a purchase (I.e. sales). Once the get your order, you don’t exist. I experienced it first hand. They have gone bankrupt and bought by another company, but it will be a LONG time before they get back to what they once were. If ever. Logitech customer service is incredible!

[@M-hq9xz]

Are you paid by Logitech? Fanatec ecosystem is much better than Logitech and you can switch between consoles on the same hardware. How important is customer service if everything works as intended?

[@talon1706]

@@M-hq9xz "How important is customer service" I hope you never find out.

[@talon1706]

I tried 11. 5 is great for me. Still gives me quite a workout in long stints.

[@mcneillmedia]

@@M-hq9xz Absolutely not. And your comment is foolish because.. what if it doesn’t work? There are horror stories on the Fanatec forum. Go for it! You get what you deserve.

[@johnbhoy007]

I have a gt dd extreme in my basket. After reading the issues about fanatec im like hold on a minute. I want something that plugs into my ps5 without worrying about updates and having to drag a laptop out my loft to update it.

[@tamto6328]

Just to be clear, Tidgney, one of the fastest KZbinrs playing GT7 have been using the G29 for years setting fast times, he only recently went to Fanatech assuming because of sponsor deals. But many times a "better" rig won't make you faster unless you get master the basics.

[@JorgePowell]

Yup, goes without saying. I wanted to make this video for those in a similar position to myself who are ready to upgrade from the G29 to a more capable system which offers a more realistic and enjoyable experience 👍🏼

[@ransomsdp]

He’s not even that good

[@rarityd]

but I think the main reason for most people to buy these higher ends wheels are the immersion levels

[@alexander3025]

Better feedback allows to reach good lap times quicker under new conditions such as new track, or a different car. Average player can save a lot of time with it.

[@talon1706]

@@rarityd Better FFB allows you to "feel" a lot more about what the tires are doing. This helps a lot. I went from the G29 to the G Pro and lap times have improved because my consistency improved. Load cell brakes help a lot too.

[@The_Mup]

Theres already reports of the DD Extreme wheel breaking. Saw a video a while ago where the grey part at the bottom had snapped, causing the whole bottom of the wheel to be loose.

[@solefreak2]

Is that for real? I've gone with the Logi G Pro simply because of their reliability

[@KubolRKS]

@@solefreak2they are shit mate. In 2/3 months I got 4 Clubsport DD+ bases and al of them broken out of the box. Now I don’t even want to try anymore. I have contact the Support team of Fanatec again and I hope I can get my money back. I can’t understand how the can send me 4 broken shit products. And I also didn’t get any answers about what was broken. It’s very frustrating. I don’t want to have any products from them ever again. It is not worth it.

[@solefreak2]

@@KubolRKS Which is one of the reasons I went for the G Pro. Logitech has been around a while and their G29 etc are built to last! Not bad for something made out of plastic.

[@KubolRKS]

@ how is your g pro ?

[@KubolRKS]

Would you recommend it ? I want to buy it now I can get a good deal. I will deal with Fanatec in the meantime.

[@aprsoniic2141]

For anyone considering either of these wheels I have g pro I was playing acc for a while without trueforce turned on as didn’t realise what it’s was and trust me it gives you so much more enjoyment just a shame Logitech are taking there time releasing new add ons

[@JorgePowell]

100% agree, I love TrueForce!

[@Darren_Martin]

I highly doubt Logitech will release any new add-ons. It's just not their business model. They are literally using/offering the same crappy shifter from decades ago on a DD wheel

[@GoingTrackSideinAlberta]

​Actually, Logitech did a survey on Facebook and most people voted for a A Rally wheel a Formula 1 wheel and a GT3 wheel. Just give Logitech time. They know how to do stuff Quality stuff right​@@Darren_Martin

[@taekim7401]

Agree, too

[@robdo4046]

@@Darren_Martinwell well well…

[@talon1706]

I bought the G Pro. I've owned many Logitech wheels and never had an issue. Fanatec was always out of stock when I was looking. No regrets. The G Pro is awesome.

[@vtg1800]

Don’t buy Fanatec the wheel full plastic this not comfortable to hold long term the wheel. Fanatec are not expensive but make expensive because Fanatec are small market and need shipping this make the price expensive. G Pro wheel way better then Fanatec but the cons G Pro have 2 option Xbox and Playstation, why not make one for two console…

[@tsushima33]

I'm using the G923 and playing GT7 exclusively, though I occasionally play Snowrunner on PC. I'm worried about whether I'll finish the campaign and suddenly feel there's no reason to continue playing Gran Turismo 7. I'm not sure if I should spend $1,300 (including delivery and customs fees to my country) on this setup (G PRO Wheel). I mean, I can, but what if...? Do you guys play it event if you completed campaign and already collected all cars?

[@storyman34]

If you are comparing wheels, why would you turn off TrueForce? It is a feature that the other wheel doesn't have and therefore one point up on it. Compare them as they were designed.

[@JorgePowell]

Hi mate, appreciate the feedback! Full Force is Fanatec’s equivalent to TrueForce and should be rolling out soon, which puts me in a tricky position as a reviewer. While I agree that products should be compared as is, I’m also conscious of sharing information that may be outdated soon, so I hoped that approaching this in the way I have would make the most sense from a long term perspective.

[@supercededman]

@@JorgePowell Agreed, sorta. I think mentioning how incredibly immersive TrueForce is (and other reviewers have attested to this) could be achieved at the same time as saying that Fanatec's version is imminent. And, the desk clamp on the G Pro is very, very stable. A step up from any other manufacturer's attempt thus far. In fact, its quite capable of handling the whole 11nm on a STURDY desk with no problem. For what it's worth, I have a Fanatec DD Pro as well. Sure Fanatec products of late are awesome, but not a patch on actual build quality and reliability. As someone stated, the Extreme ships standard with a PLASTIC QR. FFS. The plastic QR on my DD Pro is cheap and horrible. It knocks under load. What are Fanatec thinking?

[@storyman34]

@@supercededman Agree, plastic QR on high end DD wheels should never exist in the first place. Metal on all DD wheels is a must.

[@radiospank]

The g pro is good, true force makes a difference for me

[@dazzwilko]

Really good video . I ended up with the Logitech set up. I would probably prefer the fanatec with V2 pedals but there was a £500 difference as Logitech were selling the bundle at £1100 . There's isn't £500 difference in performance

[@dk_dailyknonsense]

Great video, can’t wait to see more awesome content.

[@Kapacs]

What I would love to see is a lap time comparison between the G29 with the TrueBrake mod and the Fanatec GT DD. Been considering the Fanatec DD but I'm not sure I want to drop that price if my lap times are going to be the same.

[@Ride__OutRR]

You definitely got one of the best. But what we really need to compare is shipping. I'm not worried about the price, I'm not worried about true feedback for the other feedback, what I'm worried about is spending over $1,000 and not receiving my purchase. Wanted the fan attack but the horror stories of their shipping is forcing me to buy Logitech. Anybody else have issues with fan and text shipping????

[@whyilovethemoon]

Logitech G Pro PS5 is compatible with XBOX when compatible wheel in use too.

[@whyilovethemoon]

Btw. very solid video. Especially since the products were provided to you. Honest and overall good information

[@whyilovethemoon]

Oh why do you actually think the Fanatec CSL pedals are much higher quality? Just because of the heel rest being metal? The pedal faces are kinda weird on Fanatec CSL. Overall I would agree with you

[@JorgePowell]

Hi mate, thanks for the feedback! I wasn’t aware that you could buy the Logitech G rims without the rest of the system - assuming you’d have to buy a Pro Wheel for each platform first which isn’t really an ideal solution. The Pro Pedals are very plasticky (although still very nice) and the CSL Elite V2 feels a lot more mechanically robust - however they aren’t as easy to adjust and have a much stiffer brake which might not be for everyone. Hope this helps! 🙌🏼

[@RATTMAN]

They don’t sell a separate Xbox wheel so that isn’t even an option.

[@whyilovethemoon]

@@RATTMAN that is true…

[@slash0t5]

The pedals make you faster so how'd you compare the brake pedals??

[@axxion231]

Are the fanatec pedals better than the logitech pro pedals?

[@midengineZ06]

I'm one of those customers that Fanatec has ghosted don't do it man. This company has nosedive. They can't even answer their customers emails. At this point waiting for 9 months for any help. Don't waste your money!

[@JorgePowell]

Sorry to hear that mate, hope you can get it resolved with them

[@tamto6328]

And the fact the software isn't optimized YET shouldn't be overlooked. Greedy I would say. Too bad because at one point I was saving up to buy from them but for now a T248 with load cell is perfectly fine.

[@Lazlo-os1pu]

What happened out of interest?

[@ommachining154]

I own dozens of Fanatec products, I never had any issues. I would highly recommend it to everyone

[@reviewforthetube6485]

​@@tamto6328it's always said they aren't optimized. It works for sure but fanatec has had excuses for 5 yesrs now not being fully optimized. I think 10 years from now they will lean on that and say the same thing. It's an excuse for issues when in reality it is optimized its jsut got issues. They use it as an excuses I swear they lean on that lol.

[@dragnetstudios]

I have G29 with a manual stick shift. I wont upgrade until a manual stick accsessory is released with these higher end wheels

[@randommkeyz5029]

i would say out of box experience from the fanatec pedals is better but you can tune the logi pedals elastomers or get aftermarket ones i find them to be stiff and very good under 75kg with the heaviest elastomers i recomend trying it

[@abuelb]

Logitech G Pro is superior to fanatec DD pro or csl dd in terms of build quality, torque, detail, fidelity and reliability.

[@JorgePowell]

That’s a big statement, would love it if you could explain further? Also please keep in mind that the GT DD Extreme uses the new Clubsport DD+ Wheelbase which has 15Nm of torque.

[@AnthonyAE86IRL]

@@JorgePowell I’d have to agree with him also, I feel like the club sport DD+ is definitely the closest to the Logitech if not slightly superior although I haven’t used it so can’t conform but against the standard DD pro I think the Logitech is superior

[@eldominici3732]

You forgot delivery time 😂😂😂

[@weskoons4820]

Logi all day..

[@AllThisOverASliceOfGabagool]

Can anyone recommend a chair that is sturdy and that the brakes don't move forward, like what happens with cheaper 'rigs'?

[@w9s992]

thats a crazy upgrade man

[@u982245]

i have the g pro, and it really annoys me that they cant show gear in the display other than that i really like it

[@bilicki44]

Im coming off the G29 and Playseat. I only race PS5 GT7 and race daily races and always top 5k in times. I like the DD Extreme, my question to you is what pedals would you go with and what racing seat to go with that are all compatible with each other? Thank you

[@Ryzza5]

Why is the price gap between Logi and Fana so much wider in Australia??

[@jed2055]

Here's something for ya. I did some number crunching tonight on the Logitech in the UK, US & Oz. These 3 countries are now copping a discount if both wheel and pedals are bought at the same time. A pair of racing gloves are thrown in for nix. In the US a buyer pays the equivalent of AU$2000 for the G Pro + Pedals In the UK a buyer pays the equivalent of AU$2,276 for the G Pro + Pedals In Oz a buyer pays AU$1784 for the G Pro + Pedals And those are current prices as of 19th July, 2024. AND don't drop in a utuber's code to get the %5. It doesn't work when buying both items.

[@MorganFreeman-69691]

Have you tried comparing full force and true force?

[@dacashitpost]

Bro if you got rid of the g29 i dont mind taking it off your hands. I have a dfgt 😢

[@weskoons4820]

You can’t compare logi/fanatec pr.. sure logi doesn’t have an eco system but that doesn’t compare to the way fanatec has ZERO customer service and basically ghosting their customers for months on end..

[@JorgePowell]

It wasn’t meant to be a comparison, more that I was just acknowledging the ongoing PR situation as it wouldn’t have been right to produce this video without addressing these concerns 👍🏼

[@Kryptix0III]

Logitech is much cheaper in Canada. The Logitech DD Base, wheel and pedals combined is cheaper than the Fanatec DD base + GT Wheel + QR2 Wheel Slide. and then if you add pedals + clutch to the Fanatec and it's much more expensive.

[@IlSinistero]

I have the Fanatec Csl DD and can’t complain, only that I want a little more than 8nm, so I will get the Clubsport DD+ next month. P.s. I didn’t have any problems with Fanatec when it comes to delivery time and also customer support was okay in my case 🙂

[@jasonmimms35]

Great review! I'm currently using a g29. Hopefully, I'll be able to upgrade one day. But the question is, does it improve your lap times? 🤔🏎️ #simracing #racing #g29

[@JorgePowell]

Haha you may have just guessed my next video 👀

[@jasonmimms35]

@JorgePowell ah cool looking forward to it on gt7 on brandshatch. i managed to set a 130.377, but i was finding it hard to replicate that time again. i could get close to it, but not close enough 🏎️💨 #GranTurismo7 #BrandsHatch #Racing

[@tamto6328]

A good comparison, and one I have to see. Put yourself into each setup, one warm up lap, then average of the next 5 laps times. Then put someone with little or no wheel experience, same test. THAT would be interesting!

[@kylerobinson6102]

I feel like I would be happy with a T-GT 2? or is Direct Drive just the only way to go in 2024.

[@minnielove4725]

Have you played f1 with the g29? I am looking at getting my first wheel to play on PC and thinking about the G29, would you recommend it?

[@Darren_Martin]

Buy a Moza/Cammus bundle. Thank me later. Gear/Belt-driven wheels are a waste of time and money in these days of cheap direct drive ecosystems. A tad more expensive but absolutely worth it

[@garrybartlett6853]

Always a tad more... 200 compared to what... 3, 4 500... ? Get the g29... its cheap and works... if you like it, and want to go deeper, then look at an expensive wheel...

[@Darren_Martin]

@@garrybartlett6853 So in effect spend TWICE the amount when he could have spent a bit more once and if he "doesn't like it" he can get a bigger return selling a DD setup... Smart.

[@garrybartlett6853]

@@Darren_Martin not everyone has 700 to buy something they don't if they will use... in his next video his going to show that the gains from a dd wheel are minimal...

[@garrybartlett6853]

@@Darren_Martin and actually no... buy one thing, then if you feel its for you get the full one... I make music and used the lite version of the program before buy the suite... The assumption that 700 is easy for anyone....

[@gamingunit]

Previous week (Tuesday)I ordered the fanatec CLS dd pro (Gran Turismo). I got it on Friday. 3 day to deliver it is great.

[@EAsportsItsintheGame187]

Which one will you use?

[@JorgePowell]

I have plans to use both for different setups - lots of videos planned in future! 👀

[@andrelip1]

AKA "I just want you to click on any affiliate link without compromising myself"

[@Eskoxo]

Not sure why that Gran Turismo wheel is always included in review as the only ps5 option... pretty sure best to just get dd+ and buy a better wheel..they should all work on ps5.

[@JorgePowell]

You absolutely could! The GT DD Extreme is an officially licensed product, so figured it would be better to focus on this setup as a direct comparison to the Logitech G Pro Wheel - but yes, you’re absolutely correct, you can do that if you’re not keen on the GT wheel 👌🏼

[@mathias6185]

@@JorgePowell I've just bought the GT DD Extreme myself, also with the v2 pedals. This is my entry into the Fanatec eco system, so I thought getting the GT wheel was a sensible choice as a first all-round wheel. I may look into getting a high-end wheel in the future. However, due to Fanatec's very recent switch to the QR2 system, getting a separate wheel right now feels bad, because they are all still QR1, so I'd have to buy an additional QR2 adapter, which adds a lot of extra cost. So my plan is to wait until all the Fanatec wheels are all upgraded to QR2, and while they're doing that maybe they will also add some other improvements? So I'd rather wait for that. But once they're updated, I may buy a new wheel. Hopefully I can then sell the GT wheel used without much loss, because it's not available separately, so I would guess there should be some demand. Anyway, good and fair review video, IMHO - well done!

[@JorgePowell]

Thanks mate, how was your experience with shipping etc? That’s a fair point, I ended up cutting out my section about QR2 as it felt a bit bulky within the video but I agree that it’s kind of a weird time to buy into the ecosystem atm - hopefully everything will have caught up in a few months, hope you’re enjoying your new wheel!

[@mathias6185]

@@JorgePowell Shipping was fine, except I had to wait a bit longer than originally estimated by the shop - but not much (maybe a week). So I can't complain. I'm located in Germany, not sure if that makes a difference. Shipping came from the Netherlands, I think, but I can't recall right now. Yeah, it's a somewhat weird time to buy into the Fanatec ecosystem - but the DD+ Extreme bundle made it easier for me because it included a native QR2 wheel, so I didn't feel I paid extra to get QR2. And I hope at some point in the future to resell the GT wheel at only a small loss, and then get a new QR2 high-end wheel. Without QR2, I probably wouldn't have gone Fanatec, because everybody (and their mother) said that QR1 is the worst, compared to the competition. So QR2 actually is what made Fanatec viable for me again.

[@gerrydc1317]

Charging for a version 2 (qr2) of something faulty by design (qr1) is criminal

[@AndreaGalazzo]

FANATEC support doesn't work don't hesitate after purchasing if you have a problem it's over for you at my request they've been missing for 3 months terrible

[@weskoons4820]

These guys talk about spending hard earned money and don’t even do so.. I wanted fanatec but opted for logi cause fanatec has no dependability or credibility to their name and I felt more comfortable with a company with a good reputation, even if they had no eco system ..

[@TheOtherJoseph]

Loved the idea of getting into the fanatec ecosystem but I went with gpro because of all the horror story’s I’ve heard about fanatec…

[@AndreaGalazzo]

@@TheOtherJoseph you did well, it's all true, unfortunately I fell for it and I was screwed bye

[@sonyx5332]

I have some discount for the Logi if you don't mind. @@AndreaGalazzo

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Please rememver this is one bog strong dude. So for him 10 to 11nm is nothing. For average males its plenty lol. Yes it makea a difference for comfort feel also.

[@JorgePowell]

Haha, thanks mate 💪🏼

[@Bigboy_1978]

Logitech with new and old works, shifter and pedals

[@FarmersBluff]

Logitech PRO DD all the way

[@jed2055]

These are not comparable wheels Jorge, only the maker's name is the same. Even Trueforce is done proper on the Pro. Logitech has the lower end of the market sewn up and always has imho. The new battleground is DD and I'm gonna guess & say, in 5yrs that's all there will be in the new wheel market.

[@JorgePowell]

Mate what are you even talking about?

[@Maartwo]

Simagic has better and cheaper priced products but between these two I'd go with the Logitech DD. I only have the Pro pedals and are really good. It's a shame the wheel is so expensive.

[@alebaler]

Seems simagic is better, but its also more expensive and not compatible with ps5. You need to buy a extra adapter and many people have problems getting that product to work good for ps5. Considering how much thoose products cost i would never risk it if its for ps5. If it was for pc i would get simagic over fanatec and logitech unless on a budget

[@adamthomas1222]

The fanatec wheel looks like shit 🤮

[@vtg1800]

Yep hard plastic

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

Between those two, I'd take the logitech pro. But if you're only on console, I would've used that money towards a gaming PC instead. Much better upgrade than upgrading your steering wheel if you ask me.

[@alebaler]

I got high end pc+ps5. Havent found a single car game i like on PC. Only enyoy gran turismo

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

@alebaler I reccomend ACC and rF2. Those are my 2 favorites

[@Epikmanful]

May as well say goodbye to your money...

[@001sander2]

No way I'd ever return to Fanatec

[@MrWillAdams]

2.58 *subjective

[@JorgePowell]

That’s what I said brother ✌🏼

[@SETHalpine]

Ridiculous high price....! Doesn't worth more than 500€...

[@NinetyTres]

Products are worth what buyers are willing to pay, has always been this way

[@Max__apex]

Cheap ….. lots of people are buying DD wheels. I got simagic was £1200 without pedals

[@josue005ful]

Fanatec is trash

[@johnrambo1349]

Damn $1600 vs $1450. For fake racing wheels lmao. Can buy a used car with that kind of money and get a more realistic experience cause it is fawwking a real car. Wtf. Ill stick to my $200 g29. Lmao

[@haaxxx9]

Buying a car that is about $1500 in this economy now a days will hardly will get you a barely functioning car and needs more work on it that will going to cost thousands as well. And the experience is nothing compared to a proper track car either... I can tell you're ignorant from this subject since you have no clue on how expensive racing is in real life by personal HPDE or full on professionals drivers. You can't take a car with panels hanging off or leaking fluid since that is a major road hazard which will get you denied on the spot if the track host even see that. And yes, I also own a G29 with the shifter that is on a wheel stand and playing GT6 for the PS3 to NFS: Heat on my gaming laptop. It's not the latest and greatest but it's adequate for my liking. You think it's stupid to spend over $1000 on a racing wheel but people who are enthusiasts about sim racing will spend that much money to get the best experience for themselves. Why do you think some people buy sports cars and take it to the track? I don't know... Maybe it's a hobby for them that they enjoy a lot? I don't speak for everyone who own sports cars but I know a good handful of them have sports car because they love to drive. Don't be ignorant like this, we are all on the same boat in the middle of a deep blue ocean.

[@johnrambo1349]

@haaxxx9 actually you can buy a used Honda or Toyota for $1500-2000 that will last you another 5-10 years. Not all used cars are bad. Sometimes owners don't want it anymore so they sell it. No one is talking about a used race car u dummbass lmao. I'm talking about if someone gonna spend that much they can buy a used car that will take them places. We aren't pro racers why the fawwk we need to buy a $300k race car? Smh

[@vtg1800]

Dude what you said? I disagree. G29 not good wheel this direct drive not better then TGT-2. G29 very cheap many the details gone in game and G29 not comfortable for drifting or fast drive and G29 wheel too small for me. But yeah G29 quality wheel are smooth and premium then Fanatec DD Pro. If you try TGT-2 you will say big difference but if you try Logitech G Pro with TGT-2 you will say G Pro more faster and smooth then TGT-2. G29 is good wheel but not for expert driver, you can’t compare expert class with beginner class.

[@w9s992]

u do have a point but good luck with the maintenance fees if you are paying that much for a real car