Tiamat & Bahamut, Draconic Siblings | D&D Lore

[@Jorphdan]

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[@zionthedragon8866]

If you get the chance, can you go over the third dragon God of the trio of 1e dragon gods sardior in his OWN solo video, with info, and not anything with offshoot dragons in his vid like obsidian dragons?

[@Yroko]

I read somewhere that bahumat was the son of 2 platinum dragons. And it IO struck down a demi-dragon god who got too ambitious into some mountain range with a constant magic storm and trapped for all time

[@82prensestrish]

What map is that you show about at 1:13

[@darthazgorath9570]

Azgorath is a physical manifestation of the much greater being who is IO or AO. He is not dead, only a physical form split into before a new one recreated as the old had taken on life of its own. This is how he can not only be the one who started the tear fall but also be "dead" at the same time. He wasn't.

[@Calpsotoma]

Tiamat is a literal 5 headed dragon with political ambitions.

[@SebastianTheSaiyan]

Hyram-McDaniels anybody?

[@mistermegalo]

Not even dragons can keep out of politics smh

[@yurrintinckelsonn812]

KAMALA?

[@arsenal4739]

@@yurrintinckelsonn812 bruh I would lose my shit if Kamala literally turned into a 5 headed dragon.

[@Ranixo286]

Good for her

[@mitchcowan1446]

Not sure if its been said but Ao (Aye-oh) is the overgod and Io (Eye-Oh) is the dragon deity that the primordial sliced in half, creating Bahamut and Tiamat. They are not one and the same. ;) I agree, the names sound too much like each other.

[@jameslangham9854]

It of course gives the option for them to be the two race's different interpretation of the same myth.

[@ns0557212]

Thank you I was just playing baldurs gate and going... wasn't Ao the overgod? or Ioi tears appear in BG hes spelled differently but I had just heard Aos story with Helm and the tear of mystra and got really confused! Thank you for clarifying that, that is way too close for two of the most important figures in the game. That'd be like if Jesus was named Godd with two dds lol its just confusing! Ao for the win !

[@INSAANMUSIC]

Thanks I'm new to DnD lore and I thought they were the same lol

[@createdmanpainting]

This is the comment I paused the video to search for. Thank you for the clarification.

[@theodorehoag2524]

I think this was intentional- the draconic historians out there would likely dawn the name io to asgorath since in their eyes they are the greatest thing in the realms and it might be easy for one to conflate Asgorath to Ao the overgod.

[@Grinnar]

Friend of mine is playing a kobold that's a paladin of Bahamut. Been doing some research on this.

[@Jorphdan]

Nice!

[@giraffedragon6110]

Grinnar this is funny to me cause I made a conquest paladin of Tiamat. Pelius the Blue. His “holy symbol” of her is an arts and crafts nightmare and every time he visits a temple with some dedication to bahamet, he fills in the coloring books dedicated to the platinum dragon and makes him rainbow scaled. He’s a very good boy, and is not above cooperating to reach a goal. He’s not really a bad guy, he just thinks momma Tia deserves better than her terrible brother.

[@Grinnar]

@@giraffedragon6110 hey that's really cool!

[@kalebgruber7237]

I'm a dragonborn cleric of him

[@gabrielrussell5531]

The lore conflict between Io's death and the tearfall is because it's general D&D lore conflicting with Forgotten realms lore. Whenever there's an inconsistency it's because the Forgotten realms lore doesn't line up with general D&D lore.

[@MagmaLair13]

Gabriel Russell Io didn’t die, Asgorath did. People use the two terms as though they mean the same thing, when they actually don’t. Io is depicted more as a metaphysical being whereas Asgorath is who is referenced as being the physical god figure. I do believe they reference the battle with Erek-Hus as being fought by Asgorath, and not Io. There is still conflict with that clarification of course but I thought it was interesting to point out. Also not to mention the conflicts in beliefs as to Bahamuts origin and the existence of Nul.

[@gabrielrussell5531]

@@MagmaLair13 Io died during the Dawn War. Cut in half by Erek-Hus. The two halves became Bahamut and Tiamat, and his blood became the Dragonborn.

[@TheDungineer]

Great info thanks!

[@zachbahamutson5477]

Here's actually a much simpler answer Gods aren't affected by time like Mortals are a God can appear at any moment in time if they wish.

[@bromossunstarranger8706]

does the sundering have anything to do with the Forgotten Realms timeline inconsistency?

[@samualwatkins]

Tiamet was definitely one of my favorite mythological characters I learned about in Myth class. The Dnd version was even mentioned in my text book as an example for ancient myths making it to modern day pop culture.

[@Nastard2]

Yep. Luckily there aren't a lot of people around that're still into ancient Sumerian religion/culture, or they'd be up in arms about Tiamat in D&D being "appropriation".

[@Briansgate]

4:07 well, even in The Rise of Tiamat module for 5e, Tiamat is listed as a fiend, as most devils and demons are.

[@Gigatony74]

That moment when you kill your enemy and cut it in 2... Just to have the two halve reform into different entities and beat your ass.

[@coin7012]

It be that way

[@drakeford4860]

*On the Death of Asgorath and Subsequent Events:* I think the issue here is that people are trying to apply the mortal perspective of death to the divine. Gods in D&D don't die. They can be dismantled, subsumed, or even destroyed to some degree, but they don't *die* in the same sense as mortals. Even when defeated wholly and outright, if a deity's essence is not immediately contained (and in some cases even if it is) then there will be dormant shards of its being floating around in the Astral Sea which can reasonably coalesce back into the deity with sufficient time and support. With that in mind, it is entirely possible for Asgorath to be cleaved in half- effectively killed- yet remain involved in future events. In my opinion however, it is far more likely that Asgorath never _actually_ died in the first place. It has been speculated (both within universe and without) that Zehir somehow weakened Asgorath before his conflict with Erek-Hus as part of a bid to steal the Draconic portfolio. If this is true, then it is wholly possible that what is commonly considered a sundering was actually a sloughing- with the draconic god relinquishing portions of his own portfolio in order to generate beings capable of combating Erek-Hus without fear of Zehir's treachery. If the theory arguing that Asgorath was not simply synonymous with Io, but rather an aspect of the vaster deity is correct, then it is also possible that it was the portions of Io's portfolio represented by Asgorath that were used for this process, which would explain how the misconception that it was the death of the dragon god might arise. In any case, the big takeaway here is that it is perfectly reasonable for Io to remain an entity even into modern day Faerun. *Platinum Dragons* Technically speaking, both Lendys, Dragon God of Justice, and Tamara, Dragon Goddess of Mercy, are Platinum Dragons as well- though Lendys lacks wings if I recall correctly. Their exact relationship with Bahamut is unclear- with some considering, them aspects of the Platinum Dragon, others viewing them as his children, and yet others still claiming that Bahamut is their offspring. In any case, they are both certainly Platinum Dragons. Bahamut simply gets greater recognition due to his more balanced nature and unusual (for a draconic deity) investment in the affairs of the various non-draconic sentient races.

[@jonathanstrauss8194]

Great comment!!!!!!

[@dracovoid2001]

Tamara also doesn't have wings

[@julierose689]

Has anyone noticed that there is a lot more info on Tiamat than Bahamut?

[@paperbullet1945]

There's generally a lot more info about bad guys than good guys. Devils and demons got their own chapter in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, but celestials don't get much of anything. Makes sense, since bad guys provide conflict.

[@AbsoluteMongoloid]

@@paperbullet1945 Yes, but I find it difficult to make a dynamic story without other good characters. Wizards of the Coast slacks on good guys in their other series, Magic: the Gathering, too. Take their Angels for example, Avacin was the only Angel with a notable story, and she goes insane in the end.

[@Ricky_DM]

I know you posted that 4 years ago. D&D seem to make a difference between Tiamat and Takhisis. But sometime say there the same. I don’t believe they give that restriction about Paladin. The lawful good god that mainly worship by the knight of solamnia in dragonlance. So any lore about paladin will be appropriate. Also Fizban treasury of dragon confirm that Paladine created the metallic dragon and roam the world under the guise of an old man called FIZBAN. I Hope this help you get more lore if you are still looking for it. Good luck.

[@smaspa8627]

Love it and topical for my game! So when are you going to do a Jorphdan explains why the Ph is silent? There’s got to be some neat lore there

[@TheDungineer]

He lost it in a battle with a wizard. Some day he's still searching for the sound of the ph....

[@lordnul1708]

Basically the lore conflict could be defined by the following statement: the gods don't experience time in a linear fashion like we do.

[@wesmaass4669]

Great video, loved your picture selections.

[@aaronsalinas3854]

I mean, dragonborn were on the other world when separated and since there were no gods, most dragonborn do not worship gods as none came to help them out of slavery. Drqgonborn also are not native to the world.

[@ianlorello5140]

I watch your stuff all the time for aid on understanding the background of forgotten realms. I love your presentation of the information! I was just looking yesterday for a video on Bahamut and Tiamat lore to aid development of one of my characters and was sad that you hadn't developed a video on them. But HARK! a video appears today! Such a funny coincidence. Keep up the excellent work Jorphdan!

[@Jorphdan]

Great timing :D Thanks for watching!

[@Caladors]

But what about Dragons?!? I had to do it his a fellow Aussie

[@Caladors]

for those who don't get it, it is about shadverisity who has a shirt which says that, but also says it a lot in his videos

[@dakotastein9499]

bahamut is actually not the only platinum dragon,if i recall there are at least two others,however he is the only one among them that has wings.

[@TheKOzality]

I love the video! This may have made some time ago, but where could I find the image you used at 3:38. Would love the reference to show to my players. Thanks!

[@TheDungineer]

This was a freaking great video! You should do a separate series where you explain the sillmarillion! Great content keep it up!

[@AlexMartinez-nn2cm]

never played much dnd but i've been really into bg3 lately and planning to play as a cleric of tiamat so this helps a lot, thank you!

[@zachbahamutson5477]

There are actually two other Platinum dragons their gods themselves but they do not have wings like Bahamut.

[@kaloyan9914]

Lendys and Tamara are classified as Silvers in 5e cause WOTC are fuckin idiots But yep

[@Kreln1221]

*At the **3:50** mark, why no mention of the Dragonlance/Krynn form of Tiamat, Takhisis, as shown behind Alhana Starbreeze, or her Platinum Dragon counterpart, Paladine/Fizban?*

[@TheArmyofKevin]

I love videos centered around dragons, there my favorite part of the game! Keep up the good work!

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks! :D

[@emresdance]

@Jorphdan I think asgorath threw the moon to the toril during her fight with the chaos primordial after failing to kill it, the chaos primordial cut her into two

[@MoistOwlette]

Running 2 "Tyranny of Dragons" campaigns atm. they are super fun! The introduction to it is so bombastic, love it.

[@Jorphdan]

Yes! Happy Gaming :D

[@ScottNetherstone]

It starts off good but I'm on chapter 5 now and I think I might have to rewrite some of it... I think I'll steal this one dudes idea and have the party fight the bad guys (was thinking of throwing in some Githyanki since they have a deal with Tiamat) while on the backs of a couple dragons. Also, in the dragon hatchery, I put a silver dragon egg in with the black ones as if the black dragon hatchlings would have eaten it. My party saved it, and it just hatched last night on the road to Elturel!

[@MoistOwlette]

@@ScottNetherstone I had to do a bit of jiggery pokery with my campaigns. I felt the Elturel journey was too long so they went straight to Baldur's Gate instead, which served the same purpose. 1 of them has just finished the caravan and got to Waterdeep, others are still halfway into the Convoy.

[@ScottNetherstone]

I'm still trying to rationalize the whole timeline discrepancy with IO getting cut in half and Asgorath(IO) chucking the moon at Abeir-Toril later. Best I can come up with is maybe IO and Asgorath are actually not the same or perhaps were different aspects of one another. Or/Also, since it is speculated whether Bahamut and Tiamat were either two halves of IO, or they were simply the children of IO (or Asgorath), I wonder if the answer lies somewhere in a more complicated family tree that involves Null, Tamara, and Lendys. ... or... (sorry I know I'm rambling) maybe the sundering displaced time or something funky haha. In the end it's probably just one of those things that is left up to the DM to rationalize. Love the vids man keep it up.

[@ts25679]

5:58 Glad I'm not the only one who hears "devil-dragon" and thinks of The Flight of Dragons =)

[@iGuttsi]

Always love your videos Jorphden, watched every one, I'm always happy to see new D&D lore, especially forgotten realms!

[@Jorphdan]

hooray! :D Thanks for watching!

[@Chernobog34]

Finally! I’ve been waiting since the end of your deities videos for this!

[@Jorphdan]

Long wait! Sorry but it's here now :D

[@Chernobog34]

Jorphdan by all means, take your time. I was loving the Eberron series as well, so it’s not like I was chomping at the bits for this one video. I’m just glad to have a bit more backstory for the Dragon deities.

[@magnusblick6767]

Tiamat always reminds me of the Saturday Morning Cartoon of D&D.

[@alecs5394]

Your videos are amazing. Keep up the good work!

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks so much!

[@arilynphillips347]

I was playing a DnD game as a monk where she ended up going into battle and losing her leg. She then prayed to any random god out there (DM made me roll percentile dice) she was either going to get Tiamat or Bahamut. She ended up getting a 52 and getting a brand new shiny dragon leg. Needless to say she now worships bahamut 100%. For a little bit more backstory my Monk is a wood elf with a dragon leg, and can now move at 50ft and has healing abilities due to taking a level in paladin(due to her deal with Bahamut)

[@jonpowell4246]

Though I've never played the game the way you describe Bahamut makes him sound like my kind of dragon the way he frowns upon chaos, war and violence but does possess a limited amount of compassion. Again I've never played the game a day in my life but I like Bahamut.

[@klaxocuchulainn2554]

Hear Tiamat's name My first thought: Fate/Grand Order Incarnation of Tiamat

[@treachery5930]

my DM didn't mind my cleric to be a Life Cleric under Tiamat since in mythology she was a mother of a lot of gods

[@dovakiin4257]

Ive been waiting all my dnd life for this

[@Jorphdan]

😲

[@AnthonyLongboarding]

Great vid, would love more videos on specific gods like this one!

[@Jorphdan]

Like these? kzbin.info/aero/PLJqE7QBvDyc-8EjJ59IcQC_weaD_TWdXr

[@AnthonyLongboarding]

Edit: Oh right totally forgot about those! Are there more videos on deitys that you can meet in wizards of the coast adventures? Like the storms king?

[@Fallenmonkd20]

I was debating on having Tiamat be a big part of my upcoming campaign. I for sure want to have her be a big part of the upcoming campaign I am making!

[@torshavnnewell]

1:44 the attack was cast and it took until after his death to hit

[@gwyonbach5973]

The easy answer anytime gods do anything out of consequential time - such as the Asgorath issue above - is to assume that mythological shenanigans occur in "Godtime", when everything kind of happens at once, or at least without the intimate connection to framework of causality that "Human Time" is experienced in.

[@arcanepretender1112]

Thank you Jorphdan. Any other lore you'd recommend looking at for Rise of Tiamat? It's all over the place in terms of the locations you travel to and I don't want to miss any particularly interesting bits of lore my players might enjoy or interact with.

[@Jorphdan]

Good question. I'm hoping to answer this in my next Campaigns Explained video where I'll talk about the Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat. That won't be till mid to late Feb though. I'm still researching.

[@arcanepretender1112]

@@Jorphdan that's awesome, and completely understandable considering that Tyranny of Dragons takes you to many places in the Sword Coast and beyond which as explained in your previous videos, has quite a lot going on.

[@benbattersby2837]

Are we not getting more pantheon videos? I would LOVE some on the giant pantheon. They have such a full set of gods and would be useful for Storm Kings Thunder and Against Giants allowing for 14 levels of giant adventures in 5e!

[@DustinBarlow8P]

(Hobo walks up to me asking for change) (fall to my knees) OH GREAT BAHAMUT! GIVE ME YOUR GUIDANCE!.... (Hobo runs the other direction)

[@jonathanstrauss8194]

I don't know how the hell you pieced all this together but this is a great video

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks! Lots of reading O.o

[@thechiefhasspoken213]

Could Tiamat be seen as Takhisis from Dragonlance?

[@iGuttsi]

Absolutely, as well as Bahamut being a mirror for Paladine

[@julierose689]

They look the same but their personalities are different.

[@SeraphimKnight]

Takhisis and Paladine ARE Tiamat and Bahamut respectively, just that plane's particular versions of these deities.

[@silverbane8065]

Yep! The image of the 5dragons above the dark haired woman with outstretched hand was Takhisis from one of the book covers, and the image of the blonde elfmaid in chains before the 5headed dragon, that dragon was also her. Unfortunately Dragonlance is not as well known as Forgotten Realms and unless they changed it for 5th edition, split off from Ad&d back in 3rd edition to turn to D20. I have both the original and the D20 source sets. Tho a creative and skilled GM could probably adapt it to work with 5th edition.

[@julierose689]

@@silverbane8065 I would love to be able to play a Dragonlance campaign. I've seen a few Dragonlance campaign books on EBay and have been tempted to buy them, mainly just to look at and have as part of my collection. I'm still a newbie at D&D with not even a year's experience so probably wouldn't stand a chance a trying to make a 5e adventure from them.

[@marwapranata5698]

So this might be an old video, but I need some help and guidance. In a homebrew campaign setting i'm making, I was thinking of using Bahamut as the final boss the party will face. Not Bahamut as a force of divine justice like in DnD, but more like a force of destruction and rebirth like in Cygames's Bahamut. My question is, where can I find some stats for Bahamut, and how I should create it?

[@Jorphdan]

I'd use an adult dragon from the monster manual that fits your idea of Bahamut. Then give him a cool ability or breath attack that again fits your idea.

[@marwapranata5698]

@@Jorphdan thanks, I'll try to look it up

[@anonym0usplatypus]

This is awesome. In my own lore for my campaign (which is based off of the Sunless Citadel module), I had a slightly different interpretation of Bahamut. In my lore, he's almost like an Abrahamic god in his fury. He's still lawful good, but he has little tolerance for imperfection. Ashardalon (a kingdom dedicated to the worship of Bahamut, not a dragon) was an extremely advanced civilization that could be seen as we see the Roman Empire now. They were extremely powerful, but their hegemony was largely unchallenged and their civilization gradually turned to depravity on their lofty thrones. The dragonpriests gradually became less powerful in the Ashardalon government, and the rich and powerful Ashardalonian elites held an iron tight grip on the empire. After generations of this, Bahamut lost hope for Ashardalon and it's people. He slaughtered every single man, woman and child of that once great empire, including the dragonpriests. To him, it was all wicked, and the only way to right the wrongs of Ashardalon was to erase it, all of it, off the face of this world.

[@nevod.]

While I assume you did already (if you did I couldn't find it), and if you didn't I suggest that you make a video on all of the dragon species which will probably take multiple videos. As I haven't seen anyone go into detail on the lesser known dragons like the shadow dragon, purple dragon, admanatine dragon, etc.

[@Jorphdan]

Dragons are on my list for sure. I haven't made a video covering them yet!

[@beecherry3943]

Nice video I always love these

[@redelephantsdotnl]

I was doing something else entirely with this playing in the background. "Wait, is someone making a paladin of Muhammed?"

[@eternalfinality154]

White Dragon head be like: Why the heck are you guys so complicated? JUST KILL EVERYTHING!!!!

[@YaBoiMeatBallze]

I swear to god I thought you said "Primordial gnome, the king of terror"

[@StevenMichaelCunningham]

No amount of evil could ever do a thing other then captivate energy not maintain energy that never be mortal, transcended or at all in-between. Only dammed, redeemed, reformed & kept in solitude.

[@zionthedragon8866]

Everyone forgets that in one version of the story, Io was cut in THREE pieces, and they became THREE sibling dragon gods. Why does everyone forget that forgotten realms is not the ONLY cannon D&D setting, plus forgotten breaks established dragon lore.

[@darksecret1826]

Ho is the other one ?

[@zionthedragon8866]

@@darksecret1826 ?

[@zionthedragon8866]

@@evanlambert1438 you don't know? He was one of the first edition dragon gods! (No, IO was introduced in 2E) And I mean dragon, not lung gods like star, sun, moon, and the great one are. Those guys aren't literal star dragons, but that's their name.

[@linkn5509]

Evan Lambert it’s Null, the dragon god of death, also the hottest god in my opinion

[@zionthedragon8866]

@@linkn5509 no, it's NOT null, he was made later editions and over rated. He was NOT from 1e.

[@AkhirWright1991]

I always felt that Bahamut was in Game of Thrones that would be Jon Snow's summoning😂😂😂

[@blakenartowicz5938]

this is helpful to know especially to those of us homebrewing.

[@crusader_8332]

3:39 I think the silver dragon looks more like the white dragon and the white dragon looks more like the silver dragon

[@GunnerM60]

My group did just barely prevent her return in Rise of Tiamat thanks to our Cleric's Divine Intervention and are Bard's Wish. Our group was level 19 going into that final battle and our DM had a custom-made Tiamat stat block that would have seriously f***** our s*** up had we not stopped her rise. I feel kind of bad we didn't allow our DM to use his giant five-headed dragon mini or his custom stat block, yet also relieved at the same time.

[@totozhu4543]

Ah yes the gigantic fish and the mother of all creation are now just king and queen dragons.

[@gdragonlord749]

Corrections: -there are 3 platinum dragons (Lendys, Timara, and Bahamut though only Bahamut has wings) -the 5 heads of Tiamat do not fight each other according to lore (or at least no mention) -dragon mythology is way different than the common lore explaining discrepancies -Timat is considered a devil not a demon (3e lore)

[@DragonProtector]

Tiamat in my eyes and my own opinion pure good not evil. I hate how everyone making all dragons evil. Well 90%. They are just as good to

[@gdragonlord749]

@@DragonProtector Tiamat in DnD is evil. She can be whatever you want in your world but in official DnD lore, she is an evil dragon who lives in Avernus who is friends with Asmodeus with her own devils call abishai. Don't know how you got to your opinion but it is strait wrong. It is like saying Stalin was good. It just is not true.

[@DragonProtector]

@@gdragonlord749 dnd lore i dont agree with. They have like almost all the dragons as evil. I am sorry but i disagree 100% with that. They can easily be just as good. I refuse to fight and hurt dragons to. I protect and save them

[@bullrext]

Great video as always mate, and I realised one of the pics of bahamut you used is from gbf

[@Jorphdan]

thanks :D

[@deltaphant_]

I'm running The Rise of Tiamat right now and we're going to reach the finale, a fight against Tiamat, in just a couple weeks!

[@Jorphdan]

sweet!

[@cazador7131]

In my current game. Many dragons of both matalic and chromatic are trying to unite Bahamut and Tiamat for dragon kind to arise as one force and shape their kind, prue dragons.

[@sirwilliam4128]

Tiamat is the goddess Tarkeisis on the world of Krynn (Dragon Lance).

[@Elessar0wind]

So, I found this D&D book "Races of the Dragon" that tells a different story about the Dragonborn. Like that Bahamut created them, or I guess forged them from individuals of the other races that sought his favor and power against Tiamat. But, what really interested me was they told a different tale about Bahamut and Tiamat's origin. Io was attempting to create the perfect dragon in all aspects (or something like that) which lead to the creation of simple-minded Vorel, Bahamut, and Tiamat. Though not being exactly what he wanted, he hoped Bahamut and Tiamat would learn from each other and create the perfect dragons he was striving for, but that didn't work out either. They just ended up rivals for his favor, which ended with Tiamat killing Vorel and trying to frame Bahamut. The deception failed, and Io banished her. Driven by spite of this she went off to create evil creatures and Dragonkind, and Bahamut went off to oppose her creating good Dragonkind to stand in her way. So is this story retconned? from a different multiverse, or what? To be honest, I kind of like this idea of Io trying to create a dragon kind that perfectly embodies all that is Dragon and Bahamut and Tiamat being by products of that, which inspired my own lore.

[@Jorphdan]

a lot of what I pulled from was 4th edition lore, so yes perhaps it's changed or that is a different story of Bahamut in another multiverse. It's really great though, thanks for sharing :D

[@Elessar0wind]

@@Jorphdan no prob :)

[@randomdragon8245]

I think that the story of Bahamut and Tiamat’s creation took place on Abeir, which was after Toril as we know it was created. The reason for this is due to the existence of Dragonborn. Which according to Mr Rhexx, did not appear on Toril until after the Spellplague.

[@ademiranda2]

I am about start running Tyranny of Dragons on Roll20. This is helpful.

[@poizndeth]

Two notes on this. The Cult of Dragons in Toril/Faerun/Sword Coast is a cult of dragon necromancers, not Tiamat worshippers. That is The Cult of the Dragon Queen. Second, in the events of Tyranny of Dragons, Tiamat is not summoned, but one of her avatars. She can not leave the Nine Hells. Of course, DMs can do what they will.

[@gerbenvanessen]

Io exists outside of time, they are all encompassing, things such as linear time is something for mortals. that is how they can cause something even though they died before that time.

[@garryame4008]

Was the thumbnail updated recently? That art looks like it is from Fizban's Treasury or the Forgotten Realms MTG set.

[@Jorphdan]

Thumbnail was updated yep!

[@Grayhammer]

Where did you find the info of Tiamat’s fortress? Would love to find something like that maps and lore of the 9 hells. Any books out there like that?

[@scatterghostblue3]

It would be interesting to see Bahamat with five heads as well.

[@blakefeary4369]

there actually are other platinum dragons, but bahamut is unique among them because they usually lack wings, there are a few other platinum dragon gods in the draconic pantheon (Lendys and Tamara)

[@Epicmonk117]

I have an idea: Asgorath dislodged the cosmic body that would eventually create the Sea of Fallen Stars during the battle, but it took a while to reach Toril

[@christopherbravo1813]

Tiamat seems to get her draconic hide beaten a lot.

[@ryanbeck6672]

I usually have Io/Asgorath having set events into motion for Tearfall to happen as their dying act to make myths consistent. Now that I'm thinking of it, they are a dragon God of Creation, why not have their final breath weapon fired into the sky to create the ice moon that created the Sea of Fallen Stars?

[@digunder14]

the conflict with the tearful could be do to how the gods fuck with space and time so freely and that is also one of the reasons why the aboleths hate the gods so much

[@FinMurmeli]

Any tips for pc that has rock that can summon Tiamat. Nobody else in camping than I and dm know about this.

[@FinMurmeli]

For more info we are lvl 6 and I am lvl 6 draconic sorcerer dragonborn. This was oneshot that is based on same world where our next campaign starts.

[@crightbrayons8416]

Ever done a video covering the sharn and the phaerimm?

[@Jorphdan]

I haven't done a video specifically on the Sharn, or Phaerimm. But I talk about the Phaerimm in this Netheril video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqSqY52uprKmh7s

[@MrNetWraith]

Once again, the video-poster is mixing up his 4e Nentir Vale lore with the actual canon from the Forgotten Realms. I'm not that familiar with religion lore from the Forgotten Realms, but Io traditionally exists as the Greater God of Dragons in the Great Wheel cosmology, with Bahamut and Tiamat simply being the most prominent and famous of the myriad draconic deities that Io spawned. The basic idea of Bahamut as god of good dragons and Tiamat as god of evil dragons, as well as being siblings who absolutely hate each other, remains accurate, but the stuff about the Dawn War is not canon to the Forgotten Realms.

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks for the clarification 😀

[@ahmedakmal9244]

I'm here early i love this channel, thanks for your hard work

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks :D

[@brothermutant7370]

Have you ever done a video on certain Wars, like the war of the giants and dragons?

[@Jorphdan]

I have... it's an early one... trying to remember the title. I didn't title my videos as well early on.

[@arksonic4557]

So in a campaign that me and my friends planning to do a campaign and I've made and aasimar of asgorath who wants to bring him back to repay him for... something, and needs to convince both tiamat and bahamut to be willing to help him

[@sirwilliam4128]

On Krinn, Bahaumat is known as Draco Paladine.

[@talosskycaller6147]

I know video been out for awhile but I recently started playing D&D love all your lore videos just wanted to know if followers of Bahamut had a time to pray to him for spells as I'm playing a dragonborn paladin?

[@Jorphdan]

I'm not sure if there's a specific time to pray. Choose a time and work it into your backstory :) Thanks so much for watching!

[@talosskycaller6147]

@@Jorphdan thanks for the reply keep up the good videos

[@FallenRingbearer]

I'm trying to find more on Urogalan (halfling god of the grave). Can anyone help me?

[@kilroy987]

I generally prefer Tiamat's and Bahamut's non-Toril personas. Treating them as such significant deities in Toril move them out of how I prefer working with them. I also prefer to think Tiamat more or less gravitated to the first plane of Hell, and the other devils, although they don't particularly like her, do not choose to drive her out and in many ways enjoy how she heralds the entrance to the Hells, discouraging would be invaders. She doesn't strike me as a being that would make a contract with any devil - she does as she pleases but also has no ambitions to push deeper into Hell, since her real ambitions lie with any machinations she has for the Prime Material, and when it pleases her, ridding herself of Bahamut. Nor do I think she is trapped there, since first edition states she can travel astrally. As a denizen of Hell, she tolerates some of the rules of devilkind unless it in any way tries her patience, of which she has very little. She certainly wouldn't tolerate anyone thinking they can say where she belongs, or in which natural place she is meant to dwell. I also don't like to think that her heads bicker amongst themselves - such a concept already undermines Demogorgon a bit. I prefer to think of Tiamat as just an intense evil force of nature, while Bahamut understands the importance and role of humanity. He's the Optimus Prime of dragons. Discovering these two really got me engaged with the game.

[@Hero-yu4om]

I recall reading somewhere that there are other platinum dragons, not just Bahamut

[@Jorphdan]

Possibly, feels weird he's the only one. I'd love to read the source!

[@silverbane8065]

Maybe all (non player made) platinum dragons are him really? I remember how I freaked out when I got the best bahamut summon in ff7 and watched the fmv for it. Turned to my cat to say "now THAT'S a platinum drago...oh bugger!" And that was when it hit me lmao (I knew more about Dragonlance than forgotten realms back then, so it was a bit of a mind-blow moment hehe)

[@ZmanImaGamer]

Me and my friends literally just completed The Rise of Tiamat today

[@Jorphdan]

Sweet!!

[@kevinmichaelbergman8276]

Tiamat your Mother is with us again you were told lies by her enemies only we are back and the treasure was wedding gifts from all over the Universe.

[@selesnyaconclave1850]

WHERE CAN I GET A FULL MAP OF TORIL? Not just The Sword Coast, but the whole planet.

[@Jorphdan]

this Reddit post might help :D www.reddit.com/r/Forgotten_Realms/comments/akhj1b/does_anyone_have_a_high_resolution_map_of_faerun/ef4uqx6/

[@Scortch-lo3xy]

hey Jorphdan can you do Zuggtmoy the fungus queen?

[@Jorphdan]

She's my favorite :) Not sure what extra info I can find, covered her a bit in the Demon Lords video. But I'll add her to the list and see what I can dig up!

[@Scortch-lo3xy]

@@Jorphdan k cool

[@Scortch-lo3xy]

@@Jorphdan hey word of advice if you have trouble finding a whole lot of info consider paring her with another demon we know little about like Juiblix ( i think that how that's spelled?) just a thought

[@JakkHorwikk]

There are actually two other platinum dragons. Lendys and Tamara, this is 2ed ed lore, but it is still probably canonical.

[@kira68200]

the lore about the dragons and even more specificaly the dragon gods is such a messy labyrinth, Tiamat and Bahamut are supposed to be "bother and sister" born from the dead body od Io/Asgorath but at the same time it is said that Chronepsis/Null is born from the death of the dead body of Io at the same time Bahamut the platinum dragon has to parents, Tamara and Lendys who are also platinum dragon and in some obscur really old lore Tiamat is supposed to have a dead sister, the goddess of the other chromatic dragons the only time Tiamat and Bahamut have worked together was to kill Erek-Hus the primordial that killed Io, but at the same time it is also said that they work together only once while creating together the first dragon, Sardior, which is now the dead (I think) god of the gem dragons ... and also the son of Bahamut an Tiamat ... I guess ... so somewhat ex lovers I guess ? but also how can they have created the first dragon if Io created the dragons during the Nightfall ? and how can Io become a god if its follower were born after his death ? honestly I just think they can't find a lore about the genesis of dragons/dragon gods that they like

[@tengufactory]

As a jordan myself I don't think I've ever faced such a substantial theoretical wall within the first 10 seconds of a lore introduction video. I immediately said my name out loud which I really don't do very often and was forced to admit that by all means that remain predetermined within modern western vernacular.. the ph is there.. Its not but it is.. Dahm this witchcraft..

[@WolfSoulXIV]

Maybe Asgorath threw the moon from a great distance away and then teleported to Toril and had their fight with the King of Terror before the moon got there

[@carloss3499]

No there are other platinum dragons like Tamara

[@galahadrokuviii9546]

Well I hate to spoil this, Asgorath was the Primordial Dragon who fought against the Primordial Golem of Terror. After their Father was slain by the Primordial Golem of Terror. The twin dragons, King Bahamut and Queen Tiamat fought against the Primordial Golem of Terror. Thus the Primordial Golem's decent from the Heavens into the earthen ash. The [Kingdom of Azerath] was split into two worlds: [Solaris Sanduna Avelice] and [Lazule Lapiz Azure] which is today known as the [Western Frontier] and the [Eastern Backroads]. An the Allegiance was formed called the Kingdom Of Agni Ash. But soon the Kingdom was thwarted by the Frozen Kingdom of Irithyll. An the Dragonic Kingdom's Allegiance fell prey to the [King Leonic Lance] of Muno Kingdom and the Irithyll Kingdom. An it all begun the War of Warcraft. Not FUCKEN KIDDING.

[@galahadrokuviii9546]

Also Deathwing is the actual [Thunderbolt], the Dragon Mount of Primordial Zeus. Deathwing is a dragon breed of Pheonix and Dragons. They (like Deathwing) are known as the Creators of Land. They are born to die and create large masses of landmass for the primordial. An thus this is the real reasons Dragons fought against the Primordial Giants. Dragon's Expression: We where just born to eat and turn into Land for your war.....

[@JimothyTheGreen]

I was just thinking 'The two dragon gods are awesome but how the hell would you use them in a game?' I think you could probably only have their followers in most cases. Actual gods aren't generally just walking around.

[@l-knight7294]

The 5e supplement Rise of Tiamat makes you fight Tiamat if you don't stop her being summoned

[@Keldrath]

I wonder if the Tiamat of the forgotten realms is Takhisis from Dragonlance just known by the residents of that realm by a different name

[@Jorphdan]

WotC says that is the case, they are the same. The creators of Dragonlance say Tiamat is not Takhisis.

[@Keldrath]

@@Jorphdan I suppose it's a conflict between the creators of the setting and wotc then with one wanting it to be its own separate thing and the other wanting one to just be one realm of many in their connected dnd multiverse.

[@briankeys5941]

IO is a moon. It might have ice. The More You Know (cue commercial jingle) WARNING u must b this old to get this ride