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Joscha Bach has recently been debating existential risk from AI with Connor Leahy (previous guest of the podcast), and since their conversation was quite short I wanted to continue the debate in more depth.
The resulting conversation ended up being quite long (over 3h of recording), with a lot of tangents, but I think this gives a somewhat better overview of Joscha’s views on AI risk than other similar interviews. We also discussed a lot of other topics, that you can find in the outline below.
A raw version of this interview was published on Patreon about three weeks ago. To support the channel and have access to early previews, you can subscribe here: / theinsideview
Transcript: theinsideview.ai/joscha
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Joscha: / plinz
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OUTLINE
00:00 Intro
01:37 Why Barbie Is Better Than Oppenheimer
09:35 The relationship between nuclear weapons and AI x-risk
13:31 Global warming and the limits to growth
21:04 Joscha’s reaction to the AI Political compass memes
24:33 On Uploads, Identity and Death
33:46 The Endgame: Playing The Longest Possible Game Given A Superposition Of Futures
38:11 On the evidence of delaying technology leading to better outcomes
41:29 Humanity is in locust mode
44:51 Scenarios in which Joscha would delay AI
48:44 On the dangers of AI regulation
56:14 From longtermist doomer who thinks AGI is good to 6x6 political compass
01:00:48 Joscha believes in god in the same sense as he believes in personal selves
01:06:25 The transition from cyanobacterium to photosynthesis as an allegory for technological revolutions
01:18:26 What Joscha would do as Aragorn in Middle-Earth
01:26:00 The endgame of brain computer interfaces is to liberate our minds and embody thinking molecules
01:29:30 Transcending politics and aligning humanity
01:36:33 On the feasibility of starting an AGI lab in 2023
01:43:59 Why green teaming is necessary for ethics
02:00:07 Joscha's Response to Connor Leahy on "if you don't do that, you die Joscha. You die"
02:08:34 Aligning with the agent playing the longest game
02:16:19 Joscha’s response to Connor on morality
02:19:46 Caring about mindchildren and actual children equally
02:21:34 On finding the function that generates human values
02:29:34 Twitter And Reddit Questions: Joscha’s AGI timelines and p(doom)
02:35:56 Why European AI regulations are bad for AI research
02:38:53 What regulation would Joscha Bach pass as president of the US
02:40:56 Is Open Source still beneficial today?
02:43:06 How to make sure that AI loves humanity
02:48:22 The movie Joscha would want to live in
02:50:46 Closing message for the audience