Joscha Bach @plinz AI researcher on religion, autism, sci-fi books and parenting.

[@drmedwuast]

Joscha Bach is by far the most important voice in my world

[@TylerRein]

I agree. His perspective is so broad and yet deeply insightful. I’m so grateful for interviews like this.

[@matthewnicholson7098]

Agreed! I've just recently discovered him

[@michaelmilson7538]

Right? I found him by chance and was floored as i listened to him speak. Im very impressed with the way he says things; highly insightful and intelligent but never coming off as condescending or superior.

[@MarkLucasProductions]

This guy is so insightful and so intelligent and so articulate that it 'hurts' to watch him. I can see and I can tell where his well justified confidence comes from. He is clearly a genius of the first order. I am sincere about it 'hurting' me to listen to him explain things. It hurts like looking at too bright a light.

[@nbyfceryhxet]

beautiful mark

[@ardd.c.8113]

I love Joshua's wide eyed horror face when he gets passionate about the subject. As if he could burst out in a cackling "MHUHAHAHA" at any time.

[@kumathros]

Hahaha well put

[@DigitalDiggo]

I think that's a tic

[@melissasmidt222]

The way Joscha words the first 27 seconds of this video is incredibly important and profound.

[@harebellasuzuki]

One of the best talks I've seen with Joscha so far! Thank you for this!

[@VanceCrowePodcast]

That's nice to hear, he is coming back on in May.

[@robertfoster8217]

Possibly the most intelligent human that has ever lived

[@carlarinaldi5260]

He is

[@mirage7908]

Podcast Normans not calling the current weekly guest the most intelligent person of all time Challenge (impossible)

[@AkilJacob]

This man has infected my brain in the best way, going to read all his books and whatever he recommends.

[@cmmndrblu]

Watch all his KZbin stuff with Lex Fridman

[@heleen313]

Hope you also found the interviews with him by “Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal”, channel highly recommended 👌🏻 ✅ 😊

[@chaunceyrash5067]

A true scientist from a young age apparently, seems like he questioned everything. His thought process is unbelievably quick as well. Great information.

[@renedressler4692]

Really nice podcast to listen to - Thanks Vance! The beauty of his Art is that it seems totally effortless like a constant riverflow of conscious minds.

[@VanceCrowePodcast]

He takes his time talking, but once he begins it is as though the thought was always completed.

[@renedressler4692]

@@VanceCrowePodcast recently I watched the 6 hours of two podcast with Lex and everything he says is so profound and dense of conclusive description that it honestly blows my mind! Looking forward to your next ones 😀

[@krakatit7730]

Joscha never disappoints. Thank you for this. Your new sub.

[@chewyjello1]

Speaking as an adult with ADHD, for me accomplishing goals is a two fold problem. One is impulsivity and one is organizational. Both are completely related to the brain and thought processes though. I get overwhelmed easily and have trouble recognizing and pulling out the information that is significant both in my mind and from the environment. If I do manage to pull out the significant information, I have difficulty organizing it because of poor short term memory. Even if I write everything down, I don't really know what to do with it once is down on paper. And if I manage to overcome all that and come up with a good plan on paper....by the next day my mind is somewhere else and I forget to check my calendar lol. And I can be impulsive... especially with purchases. I'm not going out and buying fancy cars or expensive clothes...I'm just spending too much at the grocery store, or Walmart. That goes back to trouble prioritizing and poor short term memory. Sometimes I'll have so much trouble deciding between two items that are basically the same that I'll end up buying both. Or I'll pay 3 times the cost for an item at one store, when it is available down the road for much less...because I don't pay attention to the prices, and even if I did I would forget them. I'm so in the moment when I'm shopping that I ALWAYS experience a mini heart attack when I finish ringing everything up and realize how much it is. It never SEEMS like it should come up to near what it does! I go on this rant simply to say, that so many people misunderstand ADHD/adult ADHD and assume that those who have it are lazy or have no "self control" (of the free-will-character-defect variety)...therefore they never accomplish their goals. The reality is much more complicated. ADHD and autism share many of the same traits and it can sometimes be hard to tell the difference. My brother is on the autism spectrum yet was diagnosed with ADHD as a child. My daughter is diagnosed with ADHD but I'm seeing more and more that she is probably could be considered to fall within both with neither being dominant. Autism can certainly be harder to get a diagnosis for if you are higher functioning. But despite all the information being out there for anyone who cares to look, the majority of society will reach for the easy answer and assume kids with ADHD didn't get disciplined enough as kids. It makes me sad. End of rant.

[@RediscoverOwnSoulEssence]

So much of what you described I find familiar to myself

[@yanquiufo7113]

You're a great interviewer Vance, I really appreciate you getting joscha on here, it's beautiful

[@a.escalante8776]

Amazing inteview! Looking forward for more.

[@dannixon247]

Beautiful, many many thanks.

[@RikiB]

I learned a lot, great job with the discussion Vance. Love your work Joscha!

[@TheThomrb]

Great questions, great guest

[@MalAnders94]

What an incredibly fascinating guy. Great interviewer as well.

[@koalanights]

Gotta comment to prove Joscha wrong! He said we wouldn't read 3 body if we hadn't yet, but I watched this and immediately read the 3 body problem and the other 2 books. Now I'm watching this again 😃

[@VanceCrowePodcast]

Fantastic- what did you think?

[@dangothoughts]

What a great talk. Love the show, man!

[@primetimedurkheim2717]

Sci-Fi book reviews By Joscha! Let's bully him into doing this 😄

[@VanceCrowePodcast]

I would do all the work to make that happen- All he has to do is sit there and talk!

[@ellepeterson9992]

Thank you! Love the thoughts that come through this man.

[@Telencephelon]

I am hooked on his wisdom

[@christopherswanson3317]

Excellent, thank you both.

[@GuhanYoganathan]

great job! loved it all

[@lubosjanosik2219]

Thank you for this 🙂

[@theminesweeper1]

timestamps for discussion on autism?

[@LLlap]

That is such an Aries question!

[@theminesweeper1]

@@LLlap what does that mean?

[@traktors4321]

51:40

[@theminesweeper1]

@@traktors4321 thank you

[@yl5757]

So free.

[@Subject18]

Nice to see he is a Hayao Miyazaki enjoyer 😁

[@noreenquinn3844]

Joscha, I've come to the conclusion that you learn most through suffering and through walking in the company of the common man. Teaching our kids to let others know that you are not just there for yourself, that you are reliable, that you are imperfect and are willing to change as you learn. Teaching them to see the lonely, awkward kid in the class and to be inclusive. Teaching them to notice and stop bullying. Perhaps befriending the bully and the bullied to stop this. Being there in good times and bad. Making more good times than bad of course and enjoying simple things and gatherings. Dancing and singing and nature. Khaled Hisseini said that " Beauty is an enormous, unmerited gift given randomly, stupidly". Very profound. I would say the same applies also to other gifts such as IQ, birth circumstances etc.. Think about that. Teach our kids to think about that. What does it say about using our gifts and advantages? Not forgetting that we all have something good to offer. Of course we must study and analyse but while being actively present in society so that we learn at the coalface and adjust our theories accordingly. Not just passing by fleetingly as happens in public health / society these days. Not stuck in a video game or book. Science can be very clinical and disconnected at times. It must be countered with reality and philosophy and vice versa if these are the people we are relying on. There is a sort of Berlin wall being erected between those in the know and the others. The one must be able to relate to the other. You can learn more at the coalface sometimes than in a thousand books. We talk about autism but seeing it up close every day is another thing. Understanding and experiencing the anxiety, hyper stimulation, sensitivity, lack of dignity and stigmatisation that an autistic, psychotic, depressed or lonely person experiences. Understanding the every day distress and incontinence that goes with Alzheimer's. The fear that society will not care properly and compassionately for it's most vulnerable and those without money and means. Not having time to walk an old person in a nursing home, or to bring them to the toilet, or to turn them in a bed. Hugely over paying some and underpaying others and expecting long hours and no life. The fear that during a pandemic people won't cooperate resulting in people dying alone and in pain. I don't agree with abortion but nor do I agree with those vehemently against it who do not help those with severely disabled and suffering or neglected children. Sorry for the rant... but I'd like to see a better more connected, balanced, caring word as most do. Realising that progress also requires focus. Please talk about your ongoing experience at the coalface too and what needs to be done there. You seem to be a sensitive person so you must have experienced much plus you are a thinker.

[@woodpigeon7776]

This dude any relation to Johanne Sebastian?

[@Neight0]

Quite possibly. He mentions on the Lex Fridman podcast.. “my father comes from a long tradition of architects.. a distant branch of the Bach family”.

[@woodpigeon7776]

@@Neight0 amazing, wow

[@Tab-uj4mm]

What is the ending music from? Can anyone tell me?

[@MUNDHIRALKIYUMI]

Where did he talk about books?

[@samfawlia]

anyone have a link to or remember exactly what joscha said about the garden of eden as a metaphor for childhood?

[@cryptoesquire3168]

Joscha Bach never needs to bully his position (unlike most others) because he backs up his conclusory statements with a supporting factual basis.

[@dabrupro]

@27:45 🤣 "The memory of the past unfulfilled desires traps energy, which manifests itself as a person. When its charge gets exhausted, the person dies. Unfulfilled desires are carried over into the next birth. I do not say that the same person is reborn. It dies and dies for good. But its memories remain and their desires and fears. They supply the energy for a new person. The real takes no part in it, but makes it possible by giving it the light." "There can be no continuity in existence. Continuity implies identity in past, present and future. No such identity is possible, for the very means of identification fluctuate and change. Continuity, permanency, these are illusions created by memory, mere mental projections of a pattern where no pattern can be." Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

[@christopherhamilton3621]

Except Joscha prefers to back up his well constructed sentences with science & evidence, not fluffy verbiage…

[@matthewnicholson7098]

Yascha is one of the most intelligent minds of our time

[@ToriZealot]

The US does NOT have a strong precautionary principle when it comes to chemicals. The EU has a strong precautionary principle. But, the fines in the US can be much higher as it is in the responsibility of the manufacturer/importer to ensure safety of its products.

[@willjohn1517]

Joscha stimulates the firing of neurons… loved the interview- is there a transcript of this anywhere?

[@DelandaBaudLacanian]

if you click the three dots under the video/title, you should see "Open Transcript" option. Works from my desktop anyways idk about mobile apps

[@drmedwuast]

Starts 3:00

[@cmmndrblu]

I think he means "thought terminating clichés"

[@CrowMagnum]

The lab leak hypothesis sounds just like the wrestling match

[@yanquiufo7113]

I'm excited his next one: the joscha bach rises. Vance, how that helk are you in your 40s dude, you look no older than 30 my guy, good for you

[@cmmndrblu]

My Neighbor Totoro-Princess Mononoke-Spirited Away

[@justinmasters220]

Smart ants talking with dumb ants

[@Vlad-ortho]

I really see the beginning of Joscha's cult following. Will it become bigger than Jordan Peterson's one?

[@JamesBurke713]

You can only develop a cult if your narrative comes from an authoritarian stance, such as the one Peterson offers. Bach holds no such heirs.

[@DelandaBaudLacanian]

god I hope so, Jordan Peterson and his daughter are batshit and you can see it creep into their angry reactionary followers. At least Peterson was able to use lobster hierarchy metaphors to convince American men to clean their dicks, something that Deleuze and his lobster metaphors could never achieve. Joscha is a global treasure and must be protected at all costs

[@josephclarke4432]

He's more intelligent and packs in a lot more knowledge but is perhaps too technical and probably doesn't command your attention in the way Peterson does to the masses. The world needs him though...

[@arraikcruor6407]

@@josephclarke4432 Jordan Peterson is a skilled orator. That is why so many people obsess over him. Josh is all about imparting technical information. People do not generally understand his splophisticated vernacular.

[@josephclarke4432]

@@arraikcruor6407 That would be a better way of putting it. Completely agree.

[@Gattomorto12]

2

[@thelonephilosopher]

Meanwhile Jay Z has millions of listens.

[@VanceCrowePodcast]

Jay-Z is more down-the-graph, big audiences but not new things. vance-crowe.medium.com/the-well-actually-graph-how-ideas-spread-into-society-and-where-new-ideas-can-be-injected-b5f43889978b

[@RediscoverOwnSoulEssence]

@@VanceCrowePodcastthat’s interesting

[@sed9406]

He should maybe get a net and went to China to find the original BAT Virus.

[@sed9406]

The closest variant is still way too distant

[@ex-cursion]

I feel weirdly emotional when I listen to Joscha get into stuff, and hopefully it's not in a facist, Jordan Peterson fanboying way. At least I don't get the narcissim or hate from him. I think he's my cult leader, my prophet. Holy crap, I think I finally understand Trump voters now 🤯 #empathy

[@VanceCrowePodcast]

It feels like he puts to words wisdom that was somehow forgotten or not realized in a modern age.

[@ex-cursion]

@@VanceCrowePodcast Totally. I feel like he's such a good example of wisdom. His world view seems mostly complete and very coherent. He seems so generous as well. Amazing work BTW. You're an excellent host and definitely up to the task. Thanks for doing this!

[@JH-ji6cj]

Asking that a human fulfill every criteria for anything is a fools errand. Much of what Josha speaks to coincides with things Jordan Peterson does also, but it does not mean that admiring the person over the idea is what's important, or that agreeing with the idea supports the person elucidating it. Which seems like we cannot culturally collectively wrap our heads around. Funny cuz killing the Buddha if you see him on the road, or not pointing at the moon as the moon itself is along the similar line of false idols and why to not draw Muhammad....but if you attach to the idea being valuable, it seems you automatically get placed in the cult (er, camp) Agreeing with Peterson doesn't make you a fascist, but wanting everyone to think the same way YOU do and wanting to enforce that if given the opportunity DOES.

[@jared5610]

LMFAO people still pressed about donald trump is hilarious. people like trump because hes not a politician and doesn't put up with BS. people are tired of all the lying and all talk no action politicians in DC for years now so people wanted a change, has nothing to do with being a "cult".

[@a.escalante8776]

Amazing inteview! Looking forward for more.

[@noreenquinn3844]

Joscha, I've come to the conclusion that you learn most through suffering and through walking in the company of the common man. Teaching our kids to let others know that you are not just there for yourself, that you are reliable, that you are imperfect and are willing to change as you learn. Teaching them to see the lonely, awkward kid in the class and to be inclusive. Teaching them to notice and stop bullying. Perhaps befriending the bully and the bullied to stop this. Being there in good times and bad. Making more good times than bad of course and enjoying simple things and gatherings. Dancing and singing and nature. Khaled Hisseini said that " Beauty is an enormous, unmerited gift given randomly, stupidly". Very profound. I would say the same applies also to other gifts such as IQ, birth circumstances etc.. Think about that. Teach our kids to think about that. What does it say about using our gifts and advantages? Not forgetting that we all have something good to offer. Of course we must study and analyse but while being actively present in society so that we learn at the coalface and adjust our theories accordingly. Not just passing by fleetingly as happens in public health / society these days. Not stuck in a video game or book. Science can be very clinical and disconnected at times. It must be countered with reality and philosophy and vice versa if these are the people we are relying on. There is a sort of Berlin wall being erected between those in the know and the others. The one must be able to relate to the other. You can learn more at the coalface sometimes than in a thousand books. We talk about autism but seeing it up close every day is another thing. Understanding and experiencing the anxiety, hyper stimulation, sensitivity, lack of dignity and stigmatisation that an autistic, psychotic, depressed or lonely person experiences. Understanding the every day distress and incontinence that goes with Alzheimer's. The fear that society will not care properly and compassionately for it's most vulnerable and those without money and means. Not having time to walk an old person in a nursing home, or to bring them to the toilet, or to turn them in a bed. Hugely over paying some and underpaying others and expecting long hours and no life. The fear that during a pandemic people won't cooperate resulting in people dying alone and in pain. I don't agree with abortion but nor do I agree with those vehemently against it who do not help those with severely disabled and suffering or neglected children. Sorry for the rant... but I'd like to see a better more connected, balanced, caring word as most do. Realising that progress also requires focus. Please talk about your ongoing experience at the coalface too and what needs to be done there. You seem to be a sensitive person so you must have experienced much plus you are a thinker.

[@Gandalf_the_quantum_G]

Since I'm usually the one writing books as comments, I'll now read this comment. This must be an autistic commentator.

[@noreenquinn3844]

🤭 I definitely went on a bit😄

[@Gandalf_the_quantum_G]

@@noreenquinn3844 No worries, I've written comments already... Don't get me started haha. But I appreciated your comment. People writing long comments are people which are like sponges. They take in so much of the world, they gain so much insight and thought. They're usually only quite alone with it since other people see the world more like a surface to ice skate their life on it. For us it's more like a hyperspace with rotating 4D numbers in it. I think I get you.

[@michaelmilson7538]

I enjoy comments like these. So rarely do any of us bother to show ourselves to others online. Comments are almost exclusively rants, jokes, trolling that comments like this, with something genuine to say, are nice.