Josh Pate On Michigan vs NCAA - Monday Update (Late Kick Cut)

Michigan's NCAA investigation had the heat turned back up publicly Sunday as new details were reported leading to more questions. On Late Kick Live Ep 545 Josh Pate offered up thoughts on where the NCAA's investigation into Michigan is headed. Did Connor Stalions truly act alone? Is Sherrone Moore in trouble? Will Level-1 violations against coaches and the university stick? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@electrical.banana]

The networks did fine for 20 years while mishginn won nothing

[@ToddAtkinsShow]

Harbaugh knew. That much is crystal clear now. Their current coach also knew.

[@comicsunblock]

you’re reta-rded.

[@John-yz9lr]

So it’s ok to cheat

[@j.pricey]

You heard it here first folks, the B1G cares more about financial stability than the integrity of the game. I can promise you that the rest of the B1G programs will not let the conference hear the end of it if they refuse to punish Michigan due to financial reasons.

[@christophernash1846]

It took you that long to figure that out ? College football has always been corrupt .Army cheating scandals, Walter Camp and Yale etc... Teddy Roosevelt set up the NCAA so that Harvard would be able to stop Yale and Camp

[@cimirie01]

If you’ve watched a drop of big conference college football in the past decade, this isn’t news to anybody. B1G. SEC. ACC. Big 12. All operate the same. And you wanna know how much the other schools will complain? Zero. Because teams that networks want to cover are the reason that Indiana and Illinois get paid nearly $100M per year. And despite how much you might protest, that’s all the institutions care about.

[@zakmitchell1935]

If Pate is right and Michigan is too much of an asset then why did they hit Ohio State so hard for TATTOOS?!

[@calebbrown5451]

Thank you, tattoo gate. Yes we need rules. We need a governing body that follows the rules.

[@samxakinyemi]

It was Jewelry, money and cars involved also

[@ryand5725]

Bc “tattoos” is how OSU fans twisted what happened in Columbus. There were much broader issues going on like, it wasn’t trading a few things for tattoos, guys were getting paid good amounts of money, cars, etc. the tattoo shop they were working with was under federal investigation and the owner was convicted of drug trafficking and money laundering. The shop owners lawyer(who was a OSU football alum) was communicating directly with tressel about things like when shipments of “memorabilia” were coming in… he instructed tressel of what was going on, tressel acknowledged what was going on in emails for months, the lawyer actually had to tell him to stop naming players in emails (bc he was incriminating ppl) the. Tressel signed a document saying he knew of nothing that violated NCAA rules. The players got caught, tressel lied again, the players got punished, tressel lied again on national tv, and then his emails got leaked and he finally had to admit it… The issue was that tressel was in on it, after the fact, players were coming out saying it was rampant that players were getting paid, there was an investigation by the bureau of motor vehicles bc they were giving cars to players, when players are getting paid(when it was against the rules to pay players) it affects your ability to recruit… on top of that, at the time the NCAA had a habit of punishing programs in a way that had a heavy impact on the student athletes and they’ve since come out and said they want to try and avoid that. So sorry if I think the “it was just tattoos” lie, is complete bull sh*t…

[@wattsinc.]

​@ryand5725 the only lies spoken was by you

[@hollinsd]

@@ryand5725 Whatever... Doesn't change the fact that what TCUN did was MUCH worse than what OSU players and Tressel did(lying to the NCAA)... What TCUN did was competitive advantage which likely changed the outcomes of some games. If it didn't impact the games... then why did they do it?

[@frankievaccaro3216]

The NCAA is petty. Michigan has 90 days to respond. That's the week leading up to the Ohio State game.

[@jemazondo9331]

Dont break the rules and you want have these issues. Simple.

[@taxisquad11]

LOLOL, it's on Michigan, they don't have to take the entire 90 days

[@TheSpaghetti64]

Why have an NCAA is they are afraid to enforce regulations and by laws?

[@dragonsurge1]

NCAA likely gets replaced for that very reason. They caved on transfer portal and NIL rules because they’re scared of getting sued.

[@zerolb33]

what, you're realizing the hammer isn't dropping for a very minor offense??? Or are you being serious??? If it's the latter, there's been no point to the NCAA for hot minute... If you're asking due to the former question I had... 🤡🤣🤡🤣🤡🤣

[@taxisquad11]

they are BYLAWS.....NOT "by laws" LOLOL

[@randrothify]

You mean like inducement a.k.a. pay-to-play, which was still technically against the rules at the time that Ohio State magically acquired much of its team this year from the portal? Listen, Michigan are no angels but this is sanctimonious whining and sour grapes from a program with quite a few skeletons of its own. Sounds a lot like the whining coming out of Ann Arbor in the midst of MissedAgain‘s epic near twenty year losing streak to the Buckeyes. Word to the wise for The Ohio State University is the same as it was for Michigan when they were on the wrong side of the win-loss ledger: get a better team.

[@taxisquad11]

@@randrothify LIAR.....The players that transferred to Ohio State from the portal assisted by NIL was 100% legal, because using NIL this past winter was 100% legal. Michigan has been doing the same for a couple of years! What planet have you been living on???

[@electrical.banana]

Would vacating wins be "dropping the hammer"? What about a multi year post season ban?

[@chirocket4791]

Check in next year to see if anything happens.

[@taxisquad11]

the rest of college football is VERY patient

[@BoomVonDoom]

Kentucky football jus had wins vacated for far less

[@Nathan-ct9eh]

So if you can rig the sport up and ruin teams Heisman chances and even post season results/standings and barely get anything but bogged down by lawyers all because the BRAND IS VALUABLE ENOUGH, then what's the point of even pretending this is a fair sport? What is the point of the NCAA?? The big 5-10 will rule and get out of any wrongdoing to make sure they win anyway, so why bother trying to compete anymore eh??

[@Channel-qe5pk]

lol you just now figured this out? "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're gonna give Cleveland State two more years of probation." -Jerry Tarkanian

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I really don’t get how people still have energy for these “documentaries”. You’d think people would’ve caught onto these things by now being heavily and carefully curated yap sessions after watching the Johnny football and Florida ones.

[@taxisquad11]

??????

[@taurean1207]

Bro they cheated how can they not get the hammer?

[@NateBee]

They will. They’re moving extremely quickly on this compared with previous cheating scandals.

[@mikeworkman1759]

Because it's likely that "they" cheated being Connor stallions and not the rest of the staff...Connor lost his job and likely won't be around anything close to high level sports again, his career got the "hammer" as it should. Jim harbaugh should take some blame too for having him on his staff but how much can you really hold your boss accountable for your own actions? So Jim will get the show cause but that means nothing because he's already on to bigger and better things in the NFL...

[@Dave-854]

@@mikeworkman1759teams have been sanctioned heavily because “one player/coach” cheated. I do believe Ohio State was stripped of a 12 win season, big ten championship and sugar bowl win because 5 players traded their own personal trophies for free tattoos…

[@yoc329]

@@mikeworkman1759because they knew . communicating the stolen plays and signs didn’t just go randomly from some low level staffer to the players on the field it was communicated to coordinators to know the play call and what should be done and most likely ran thru the head coach. and guess which team just hired a coordinator as their head coach who just so happened to. also try to delete text message evidence between stallions.😂

[@ShaunTheEdifice]

Because it’s common. It’s overblown and you’ve been reading too much social media and talking heads. Hammer will be a large fine and show cause for stallions and harbaugh

[@jacoballman3240]

These bots are wild.

[@reubenmendez4542]

Almost like someone has an agenda to uphold

[@comicsunblock]

“BMS is simply too big to fail” - Alex Moran. And this is what we’re seeing play out. Michigan is simply too big to fail.

[@alanpreston1822]

Sorry but after what Bama went through in the early 2000s it pains me to see these schools get slaps on the wrists.

[@stephanrodriguez4237]

Ohio State lost out on going to a championship over tattoos

[@jw-fh8cx]

@@stephanrodriguez4237 exactly, and fired one of the buckeye's most beloved coaches. Tattoos were had by selling/trading their own stuff. This is roughly equivalent to burgergate. TCUN had much worse on top of burgergate

[@christophernash1846]

@@stephanrodriguez4237 Please ,not with Jim Tressel as the coach. Do we have to remind you of the 2007 & 2008 Championship games? If anyone who should complain, its my Trojans. USC really got screwed out of National championships by the NCAA, not Ohio State. Keep in mind, without the scandal, you wouldn't have gotten Urban.

[@christophernash1846]

@GreatScott1 People thinking that Ohio State would have won a national championship if they didn't get put on probation in 23011 & 2012.

[@christophernash1846]

Please, Bama was cheating throughout the 90's. Bama was lucky not to have gotten the death penalty. Same thing with what Washington was doing.

[@bakertron846]

So you're saying the ncaa is essentially powerless to enforce blatant cheating other than fines? that's going to get ugly once all the coaches get wind of this

[@mytidleycanwink.4692]

Agreed. If there is such corruption allowed I'll spend my fall Saturday's doing something else if I believe the playing field isn't level. I've watched way less Olympics since China and Russia blatantly cheat and don't get punished.

[@NicklausMiller]

No one cares because they don't use signs anymore

[@thecoolone4514]

So it's OK because it would hurt TV money? Sad and wrong.

[@NateBee]

It’s a crazy argument to me. The NCAA isn’t going to let the integrity of the game suffer just to make a tv network happy.

[@MarkyMark1221]

@@NateBeejust like they’d never let get players get paid for the “sanctity of the sport” and “the name of amateurism”

[@taxisquad11]

fake truth

[@earnieeveridge]

No, it's a biased and unfair charge

[@taxisquad11]

@@earnieeveridge ALL Michigan Men are biased

[@deweydenny7371]

When u cheat u pay for it 😮

[@MarkyMark1221]

Thank you, I’ve been telling these reprobates forever that no matter how you feel about the reigning national champs, these networks make way too much money off these mega brands schools to let some goofy iPhone vids scandal hurt their bottom line in any capacity.

[@vw8886]

Tattoos = vacated season then cheating = vacated season

[@MarkyMark1221]

@@vw8886sir I ask how many ineligible players resulted from the iPhone vids scandal 1). Secondly what year was tattogate, what year is it now; this is called logic. Thirdly I’d tune in to Netflix tomorrow

[@christophernash1846]

@@vw8886 Ohio State wouldn't have beaten Bama. Ohio State got killed when they played great teams under Jim Tressel after 2002 . USC 35-3, LSU 41-14, and Florida 38-24. Buckeye fans were complaining that Jim couldn't win the big game anymore . Thanks to a generous call and Larry Coker, Ohio State won in it 2002. BTW, USC would have killed Ohio State that year if they played . Thankfully for the Buckeyes, USC played the hardest schedule that year and we finished with 11-2 record. Ohio state didn't even play the 2nd best team in the conference that year in Iowa. USC did and won 38-17.

[@lociawilliams7042]

Hammer time sucka's🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Mmmmmk247]

Your gonna keep whining when we keep winning 😂

[@electrical.banana]

​@Mmmmmk247 ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it while you can. Judgement day is coming

[@u00jjsl18]

I bet this Netflix show is one of the most watched ever so the winner in all of this is actually Stallions. He's get his cash and walks away.

[@taxisquad11]

only in the midwest

[@dr.lumpypants3530]

Big ten team will 100% back the hammer coming down. Ohio state did less and lost out on a title

[@zerolb33]

@@dr.lumpypants3530 paying players is not less my guy... Y'all keep trying to spread a false narrative that it was about tattoos... It was significantly more than that and it's well documented that's why most of the country laughs at the suckeyes fans crying about this whole situation 🤣🤣🤣

[@kellywiewall4928]

​@@zerolb33They didn't pay players the players traded their own belongings for tattoos

[@zerolb33]

@@kellywiewall4928 I need you to stop kidding yourself first and foremost it's well documented you guys wanna push the narrative that it was only tattoos and players weren't getting paid... It wasn't just tattoos if it was just that I'd agree that's b.s. playing ineligible players... Yea not the same

[@michaelmcgregor007]

The slippery slope argument doesn’t hold any water whatsoever; we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, teams have been paying players under the table to come to their school. That turned into NIL because there was no way to stop it. It was too prevalent!!! What gives a bigger competitive advantage than paying players?

[@GoatedAtNFS]

you could put a cap space

[@Al-Rudigor]

Knowing the other team's plays does.

[@michaelmcgregor007]

@@Al-Rudigor 😂then explain why they went 8-0 after it was announced (6-0 vs spread) beating 5 top 15 team (3 of which were top 4 and had a combined 1 loss)! There is no bigger advantage than stacking your roster with paid recruits

[@wattsinc.]

​@michaelmcgregor007 they still had the information but thanks for playing

[@3rd_Base_Investigators]

​@@Al-Rudigorsounds like excuse making, just say you lost and move on 🤣

[@nick-cox]

Remember when everybody was saying they would get smoked starting with the Penn State game since stallions had left. Then what happened? Y’all just don’t know Ball

[@jasonodonnell5177]

What you and some other people forget is that Stalions' effort created work products. These work products did not just disappear when Stalions left. It is assured they were already in other staffers' hands and were used after his departure.

[@nick-cox]

@@jasonodonnell5177 you’re so dumb lol

[@nick-cox]

@@jasonodonnell5177 why do you think they announced this investigation mid season. So opponents could adjust their game plans. Still didn’t matter. “Signs” didn’t matter. Michigan blew em all out. Historically elite CFB team

[@davidrais1819]

Totally irrelevant.

[@nick-cox]

@@davidrais1819 💀 yaaa Ydkb

[@matthewclarke2450]

Harbaugh sat out the first three games of the season and Michigan went undefeated with the Media, the NCAA, and everyone else watching their every move.

[@j_r_junior]

First ever 8-7 CFP national champs*!

[@wattsinc.]

​@@j_r_juniorchumps*

[@taxisquad11]

SO????? That was against teams outside the top 100

[@NicklausMiller]

Did penn state know the run was coming after 20 run plays in a row? I am guessing yes but they still have to stop it and they couldnt. Having the plays and being able to execute them are 2 entirely different things.

[@garyvorhees73]

As usual I disagree with Josh.

[@JimTrussell]

Dude is so hilariously biased

[@aaronporterjr.9515]

Comments are hilarious people are really desperate 😂😂😂

[@daquandavis3841]

I agree with Josh here as a Gator fan

[@thelostandunfounds]

I love this Michigan schedule! This team is about to be EXTREMELY motivated. BET: Part II Lowest ranked returning champ since 2011? Bet. You say they don’t have the talent “per se”? Bet. 3 x defending B1G Champs finish 4th this year? Bet. NOA during week one? Beeeeeeeet. Bet. Bet.

[@taxisquad11]

You are correct. Michigan has the worst offseason after a National Title in the history of college football

[@thelostandunfounds]

@@taxisquad11 Bet.

[@taxisquad11]

@@thelostandunfounds OK $10,000

[@thelostandunfounds]

@@taxisquad11 if I was correct, why didn’t you quote me. You changed the words to fit your false narrative.

[@lennyj2080]

three best videos made in the 2023-24 season were UM stomping the Bucks, beating Alabama and then crushing UW. When ever I get a bit down i play one of them or watch the 2022 and 2021 OSU games...the fan reaction in the shoe when UM crushed them was exquisite and priceless.

[@taxisquad11]

You should have been old enough to see Michigan Men's reaction the FIFTEEN out of 16 years Michigan lost to Ohio State, just before those 3 measly wins of yours

[@lennyj2080]

@@taxisquad11 got my awesome Blue and Maze undergrad in 1984 and Masters in 1987. Been a seasons ticket holder since 1985....been there and done that. When UM smokes all the 5 star over-rated punks again you'll be screaming for John Cooper to come coach again.

[@towen3]

All the whiny tears, are motivation and sweet….. More….M…O….E…R!

[@wattsinc.]

Imagine being delusional and stupid. M O O R E*

[@kjkegari]

Yeah this isn’t just your typical cheating. This is cheating on a level like we’ve never seen.

[@OSU-MAC]

Harbaugh doesnt lie😢

[@Al-Rudigor]

Before I even watch. Josh is going to minimize the cheating. Then say that punishment should be basically nothing. Here we go.

[@Mr.Martini549]

Just b/c Josh doesn’t believe all the sensationalized stuff you see online? The NCAA has no evidence Harbaugh was connected with Stallions alleged scheme.

[@3rd_Base_Investigators]

Truth hurts doesn't it? 🤣

[@RB-.-]

@@3rd_Base_Investigators does truth = defending a big brand program and coaching staff so he can keep getting inside access and a chance at interviews and not upset their giant fanbase. lol

[@AntnyDsmn]

Joel Klatt, Josh Pate, Paul Finebaum, Urban Meyer…everyone has their own opinion. The most important thing to remember is that Michigan doesn’t give two shits, a flying fuck or a rat’s ass. We shall have to wait to see what the final decree will be.

[@jemazondo9331]

​@AntnyDsmn "Michigan doesn't give two shits" Yeah that's why they're in trouble and why an example needs to be made.

[@msudawg685]

Its too bad that a program can get away with offenses just because of the almighty dollar. If this were a less historic program that did this they would not think twice about "dropping the hammer". This is the problem with the world today. The so called bigshots of the world are too big to get punished for their bad deeds.

[@bobk381]

Don’t understand why no one cares about integrity and responsibility! Pretty soon the NCAA will require that all teams receive participation trophies.

[@trumanwitt5526]

Honest question. Could the NCAA pull off the death penalty if it tried to?

[@mikeworkman1759]

I think if they tried it would actually be Michigan putting the death penalty on the NCAA and they know that

[@stevemeloccaro891]

with Michigan?? no F*****G way, their not the mustangs

[@bham26]

No, the TV networks would never allow that. Death penalty is a thing of the past.

[@treyabbey6477]

Even if the death penalty was an option, this isn't death penalty material.

[@trumanwitt5526]

I think they’ll probably vacate 21 and 22 seasons. Whatever that truly means… there’s nothing to be done with the 23 seasons. The only reasoning to vacate 23 is that the program would’ve been in rebuild had punishment happened in real time. (Similar to OSU vacating due to ineligible players) in the end it means nothing. You physically won the games you just don’t get the record.

[@ExcitedCamperVan-vt8gm]

No it's to distrack ao another can beat Michigan just like last year it just didn't work

[@bluntman13]

They can't drop the hammer. All the schools do this shit. Especially Ohio state, been distributing Michigan signs through out the big ten for years. Trash take

[@bernooski5128]

Then how come zero other teams have been caught?

[@Buffalorock902]

Didn’t realize he is paid by ttun.

[@The__Kipster]

Josh I love you so much. Look at ALL THESE crying Softeyes in here. Ugh, I cant get enough 💕〽️🏆

[@tedryan2798]

Josh, 1) Agree, NCAA is totally aware of 8/27 Netflix. 2) I am surprised no one mentions ASU. Same violations during the same timeframe except ASU cooperated. Penalties should be equal to or slightly tougher based on non-cooperation. 3) There are several layers to all of this a) Covid recruiting, b) sign stealing, c) Matt Weiss/gambling/FBI on campus/US Integrity. Part C will be the most intriguing.

[@Treez13]

If people dont think every big school has people at every opponents game recording with iphones, you're naive and lying to yourself.

[@herbiemac100]

Now wait just a minute here. ( I am not a Michigan hater) but, there is evidence that this man sold signs to South Carolina and Alabama. ( I know, Alabama would be a huge surprise.) if it’s true true then will take an ass beating in the courts for a tone of money. And yes that would hurt Michigan. But the real damage would be to their brand. A cheater is a stinking cheater. But that’s only if it’s true. Seriously though it would affect recruiting for a little bit.

[@jojowhite9296]

I know he sold signs to South Carolina. Tennessee and Clemson are pissed!

[@merlabel1253]

I can't believe that I will be pulling for Texass.

[@buliTnotBot]

They sure didn’t hold back with nevin shapiro. What’s the difference?

[@joshbissett1181]

nothing will happen to anyone its entertainment not a sport anymore

[@KozieCouch]

So the rule was about money in the first place…. So why would they just pay money for a rule about money…

[@chipparmley]

Taking the Natty away would be a lot like taking Reggie Bush's Heisman away in the same way we all saw a trophy presented, his name stayed on the list and was shown as a winner at the awards show. I'm not a fan of Michigan. At most Big Blue will write a big a$$ check, possibly loose some scholarships and be on double secret probation for a while

[@throgmortonartstudio2402]

Honestly, Michigan is really getting hammered for the 2 previous years and early season 2023. Obviously connor stalions being on the sidelines was a 2023 activity, but it probably didn't have a huge influence on the games. Not like 2021 and 2022. CJ Stroud is TORCHING the NFL and your telling me he couldn't figure out how to beat Michigan? give me a break. clearly Michigan had a competitive advantage from cheating.

[@brianhaywood5521]

Stroud threw for 300 yards against michigan. You just couldn't stop the run.

[@jojowhite9296]

@@brianhaywood5521 300 yards for Stroud was a below average game.

[@throgmortonartstudio2402]

@@brianhaywood5521 maybe that's because they knew the defense? OSU held them to 3 yards the first half then magically michigan could run again? I don't buy your BS. and if you don't think they knew offensive play calls as well you are crazy.

[@NicklausMiller]

Day admitted that he thought there was stuff going on with signals and changed them before 2022 game. Feel free to reach as much as you want to but if they changed signals and still got whooped, it means the players were simply better.

[@throgmortonartstudio2402]

@@NicklausMiller Yeah this would explain the 3 yards rushing in the first half. OSU did not change their signals they mixed them around. It's not even difficult to run a loop and decipher exactly how those signals were mixed. This is perfectly congruent with the game and how it ended. They cheated to gain a competitive advantage. Stop making excuses.

[@danielmcdonald4699]

I just don’t see a scenario where it ends well for Michigan. They literally got caught cheating and now it’s time to pay the price.

[@d2k2j4]

And you would be wrong lol

[@wattsinc.]

​@@d2k2j4lol? No stop being delusional

[@ryand5725]

As a Michigan fan I’d agree somewhat with your point, I think what a lot of Michigan fans are asking is what’s the price and whose tab are they picking up? Bc if stallions acted alone, which it seems like he did based on actual verifiable information, and he got fired, how much are you asking for Michigan and its current roster of student athletes to pay? Most of the other NOA listed items are pretty ticcy tack. Like the harbaugh show cause was pretty wild bc the violations were incredibly minor and their reasoning was that he didn’t want to give them his personal cell phone when he was being accused of something without proof. Especially since the thing he had gotten in trouble for was only a violation bc there were differences in how they could communicate during Covid restrictions… same thing now, where one moored biggest allegation is that he’s had minor issues but he’s been in trouble more than once. But this time they’re claiming he deleted texts relating to the investigation but he himself recovered and turned over those texts for the actual investigation… so like, that’s the question, what’s the price to pay and are they being treated fairly by the NCAA in how they’ve handled this or does the NCAA have an axe to grind with this program…

[@danielmcdonald4699]

@@ryand5725Even if stalions acted alone, didn’t the whole team and coaching staff benefit? I think you’re correct though in wait and see what the bill is.

[@ryand5725]

@@danielmcdonald4699 I don’t think what stallions was doing is that big of an advantage, I say this objectively bc when the advanced scouting rule was put in place the rules committee flat out said it did not provide a significant advantage. Especially since even though he may have been scouting games in unapproved ways, Michigan still had access to anything stallions could have gotten himself… I point this out bc if the argument is that everyone at Michigan benefited from this line actors crimes, well then how do we quantify what that benefit was? And that’s important bc it dictates what the punishment should be.

[@stephenlight647]

The NCAA just has to let us know. If cheating is minimally penalized, then ok, we know how to proceed. Michigan is going to cheat regardless. They are proud of it. So just tell us what the penalties are and we can all proceed on that basis.

[@NicklausMiller]

This is a non factor going forward because they don't use signs anymore. Michigan got caught doing what everyone else did and now it is over. The NCAA won't drop the hammer because every one has skeletons on this topic.

[@karenyoung8458]

Couple Questions…. 1. If Michigan is so powerful and almighty…why even record one game (thus cheating) , I heard they sent Conner & his friends (Conner & Friends😂) and recorded 58 games…that seems interesting. 2. If there was no competitive advantage, why cheat? 3. If he was a lowly staffer…why & how did he get to stand next to both…The OC & DC during games…that seems interesting. Do most lowly rogue interns/assistants get to stand next to Coordinators like that and give input,🤔 Wow. 4. If you went to and recorded 58 games, I wonder who paid for all of that…tickets, parking, food, lodging, etc. 5. If Conner did no wrong..,why did he not turn in his laptop to NCAA, especially if he had nothing to hide? 6. If this was nothing…why has Michigan lost 9/10 coaches (Mike Hart) (Michigan Man) just left…no new job…just left,🤔 and not even in top 10 in recruiting currently coming off a Natty…that seems interesting. 7. There’s a ton more questions, but I’m sure the Netflix Special with Conner will explain that there was no wrong done at all and Michigan should get an apology for all the NCAA has put them through, 😂😂😂.

[@j_karma]

Harbaugh's gonna sign that extension any day now!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@robjones1226]

LOl. Osu tears are laughable. Hart left because he is butt hurt that he didnt get the Head Coach or OC jobs. And Harbaugh took 7 coaches with him. its been almost a year nothing new has come out. NADA

[@j_karma]

Lol, Harbaugh got a 1 year show cause for hamburger-gate. Harbaugh, Moore, and the school are now considered repeat offenders. The NCAA just dropped a new NOA. But NOTHING HAPPENED!! 🤣🤣🤣The Walmart Wolverines have been wrong at every turn, so far. Pretty soon, all the poor bastards on staff that didn't get the golden parachute to the Chargers are going to start flipping to save their careers. 🍿😎

[@fischook1238]

I am not a Michigan fan. But we all know who won the games last year. As far as I am concerned Michigan are the national champions for last year. They were clearly the best team in the nation. There are other schools that have cheated way worse than MIchigan the past 20 years and the NCAA does nothing about it. And the NCAA is dirty. Very dirty.

[@j_karma]

Lol, name the other teams that "have cheated way worse" over the last 20 years.

[@MrMabloom]

As an Ohio State fan this is that unfortunate truth. They showed out after Stalions was removed.

[@The__Kipster]

​@@MrMabloom truth. If anything, us Michigan fans should be thankful the allegations came out when they did so they could prove them as not substantial to our success

[@MrMabloom]

@The_Kipster 100% I thought it might have been huge when it first broke out. But you couldn’t tell a difference between them before or after. I thought Bama would win and I was wrong.

[@Atwater20]

The vendetta against Michigan by the NCAA continues.

[@davidrais1819]

Caused by Michigan.

[@Atwater20]

@@davidrais1819 You're right. Harbaugh brought it on by supporting pay for players.

[@calebbrown5451]

Please, these KZbin content, creators, and Podcasters like Josh Pate, JD Pickell and Joel Katt. They all don’t want to realize the truth. If you break the rules you get punished they need the Michigan fans for their ratings and their viewerships so they can grow their podcast and KZbin channel. Those three live in a world where it’s OK to break the rules because it gives them more views

[@Al-Rudigor]

Add RJ Young to that list.

[@dreadthedreads4567]

The KZbin content creators needing Michigan fans is a new one 🤦🏾‍♂️ 😂

[@NicklausMiller]

Haha! No one cares because they don't even use signs anymore.

[@user-dv3do1od2r]

Gambling allegations are going to end Michigan

[@lukecalhoun6569]

Okie dokie 👌

[@LegitVids36]

There are so many bots commenting sheesh

[@45502rmc]

Respect you josh, but your off about he punishment. All Im going to say is lets wait and see if your off, and if you are I EXPECT you to have enough honor and integrity to say you really have no idea and you were wrong.

[@treyabbey6477]

@@45502rmc because you know more than anyone else?

[@j_karma]

This whole thread of his, saying there won't be any punishment, is just clickbait. I saw him on Klatt's podcast, and Klatt asked him if he had any comments regarding UM and the NOA. Crickets... So, he only pushes this BS on his own channel, trying to stir it up and get a reaction.

[@no_iris9868]

2 year post-season ban is going to happen.

[@dam7467]

Josh, you are not seeing the distinction between NIL lost court cases recently…and this competitive balance authority…where they have all the authority needed to hand down much more than a fine. And when they do…this video won’t age well with you not seeing it very clearly. Love the show!

[@PSully55]

Michigan is going down. Late always talks about his sources but he seems to be very unsourced. I personally think he makes most of the fan emails and sources up. Buckeye Scoop has reported this for months and they are small time.

[@kirkweber8594]

Buckeye Scoop has also been the worst source of news on this story from the beginning.

[@themrjim1953]

no one cooperated and the NCAA will hammer them for that,

[@treyabbey6477]

That's an expert take. Thanks

[@themrjim1953]

@treyabbey6477 hard to believe how clueless Michigan fans are

[@treyabbey6477]

@@themrjim1953 Hard to believe how desperate you are.

[@themrjim1953]

@treyabbey6477 not desperate, I just go on the facts, and the NCAA said they have the proof

[@Al-Rudigor]

That's why the other case was done first. Now Moore and Michigan are repeat offenders.

[@jeffreymcfadden9403]

Most teams have a rival. Michigan has THREE rivals, OSU, MSU and Notre Dame. Congrats. Now we may be adding a fourth, Tennessee. I bet the South Carolina football program is a bit nervous right about now. Keep it up Michigan, so all the teams hate you.

[@FM-yv7hj]

Big fan of Josh, but hearing this downplayed is unfortunate. None of us love the NCAA, but don't ignore the message just because you don't like the messenger. Cheating cannot be tolerated or our sport will cease to be a sport.

[@rebeccacampbell5662]

No wonder everyone lies and cheats. People with big audiences tell us repeatedly it’s not a big deal and we soak it up. I believe ncaa will levy very heavy sanctions. Other schools have to see that cheating is not the way to prosperity.

[@chuckyqqqqq]

Every once in a while I click onto a Josh Pate video and then quickly relearn why it's such a waste of time. Absolutely a lack of insight.

[@user-dv3do1od2r]

FBI was investigating gambling allegations & money laundering bro

[@NicklausMiller]

Hahahahaha! This is the most hilarious take available

[@andrezzi]

Pate has lost his mind lmao

[@tamarabuirley1379]

UM leaked it.

[@corsacaleb]

You are a casual if you lie to yourself and think every P4 program isn’t trying to get an edge somehow. Period.

[@jasonodonnell5177]

Agreed. The question is whether the edge being achieved is within the confines of the rules. I will argue that most of the P4 will attempt to gain their edge within the rules. A certain number will not contain themselves to the rules and should be punished severely when discovered to discourage further cheating.

[@user-ls5ru1xv9f]

So according to this video, it is ok to setup a sign stealing system that is a massive undertaking, win a title, and just pay a fine?!?!?

[@wattsinc.]

No fine was being talked about so thats hilarious on josh to even mention

[@BKbucknut93]

15 years ago the NCAA would have crucified them for this.

[@newfdog9602]

Welcome to 2024!!

[@christophernash1846]

15 years ago, Ohio State wouldn't have spent millions on NIL too and got away with it too.

[@galberini34]

Pate whiffed on this. Taking bets.

[@KiiDSarajevo]

Lol, still holding on to that hammer dream? 😂

[@newfdog9602]

Pathetic 😂😂😂

[@joejoe04]

What makes you think networks don't care about cheating and the sanctity of the game? I can tell you with 100% certainty, if teams can just start cheating, in whatever ways imaginable, and get no real punishment for it, I'll stop watching. And don't tell me I won't because I've already stopped watching essentially every other sport aside from college football. Your worldview on this is absolutely pathetic. Luckily, you're also wrong. Going to take time, but you'll see soon enough.

[@newfdog9602]

Bigger story is how is Ryan Day still coaching a 20 million dollar team when he should have been fired 😂😂😂😂

[@mytidleycanwink.4692]

Come on Josh, You have to know Meatchicken leaked the draft NOA. Loosing a little cred here bro.

[@dahboomer8745]

Who cares..here have a hamburger...or here take a million..😂

[@mytidleycanwink.4692]

Josh, obviously your big UM check cleared already! Sheesh.

[@ronny545]

UofM Worst Fanbase in Sports.

[@russell5663]

No Ohio state is

[@goonbucks]

Keep living in denial. And pretending this isn’t happening, lol

[@SaltFaDaSlugs82]

@JoshPate Coach more likely to be fired at seasons end: Ryan Day if he loses to Michigan, Lincoln Riley if he loses 5-6 games, Mike Norvell if he loses 4 or more?

[@yoc329]

none

[@wattsinc.]

Zero lol

[@SaltFaDaSlugs82]

I should've added Napier to this list! 🤣

[@bobpennington1554]

There is no evidence. Which means you got to drop the hammer for Harbaugh buying a hamburger. What a cheeseball institution of bullcrap

[@elliotthoward4738]

According to josh pate depends on the team you can cheat win a natty and get a slap on the wrist who cares about the integrity of the game and whether the fans think they are being cheated

[@MichaelWilson-gi3gp]

*🏆🥳Cheatigans

[@themrjim1953]

not post season play for 4 yrs, people have no idea how big this is

[@treyabbey6477]

And, you have an idea how big this is with all of your inside knowledge?

[@themrjim1953]

@treyabbey6477 going to be hit with , lack of institutional control, since Moore was already on probation, he will be fired, NCAA will be harsh ,no mercy because they all knew and refused to cooperate, yes this is huge

[@Al-Rudigor]

It's not a big deal. Michigan isn't going to be very good going forward.

[@treyabbey6477]

@Al-Rudigor Good thing you're here to tell us how Michigan will play moving forward. You just saved everyone a lot of time and money with your expertise

[@wattsinc.]

​@treyabbey6477 they won't be as good thats for sure especially not knowing the plays beforehand

[@hollinsd]

Talking heads show where our society is now. OSU got slammed for much less 13 years ago. Depravity of humanity... Rapid acceleration in 2020...

[@j_r_junior]

Utter decadence

[@BIMBA7579-rr6gh]

National Champs and going to repeat. Go Blue

[@jasonodonnell5177]

Step away from the drugs and get yourself over to Henry Ford Maplegrove.

[@taxisquad11]

Vegas says the odds of Michigan repeating are 3000-1, Georgia is 300-1 and Ohio State 330-1. Get your head out of the sand

[@360will7]

OSU fans are praying Michigan get hammered, if Michigan doesn't get hammered, OSU fans excuses will no longer get attention, and their narrative will be nothing but painful excuses.

[@NateBee]

The NCAA has moved quickly for their standards on this. I expect they want to get the punishments out right after this season. Looking at how they’ve punished teams in the past for much less severe cheating, I assume we are looking at some pretty serious penalties coming. I bet they face significant scholarship penalties, 2.5 seasons of vacated wins, and a multi year postseason ban (which is basically just a conference champ game ban in the CFP era). They were an average team before they started cheating, so the cheating obviously had a massive impact on their success. It’s rare to see a program go from almost firing their coach to a winning a natty in just 3 years.

[@khrisstake2210]

None of that is happening. We LITERALLY went undefeated after the ALLEGATIONS

[@j_r_junior]

@@khrisstake2210”we”? 😂

[@vw8886]

@@khrisstake2210 If it doesn't the ncaa is finished as a governing body.

[@j_karma]

@NateBee I think you're pretty close. NCAA is also likely to not recognize the B10 titles and the Natty. And, of course, a hefty fine. The entire staff is going to get hit with a show cause. I don't see how Moore survives. And given the other scandals involving the basketball and hockey programs, Manuel is toast. This has Loss of Institutional Control written all over it.

[@khrisstake2210]

@@j_karma y'all really out here just hoping, huh? They don't need to recognize anything. We have the tape

[@nxtDRose]

Harbaugh should be in Prison

[@treyabbey6477]

Get it together. Good God.

[@nxtDRose]

@@treyabbey6477 You have sent me 5 private messages stop harassing me.

[@Mr.Martini549]

Pump the brakes there, Spanky. Jeezus. The person who should be in prison is the PI who gained unauthorized access to Conor Stallions Google Drive without a court approved search warrant. That’s a cybercrime.

[@nelsonpeltier2027]

They all cheat . Its just sick that Blue deals with it every year bc they are winners . Blue has the biggest fan base in college fb an the biggest school in B10

[@vw8886]

Started winning because they cheated. um is 5th in enrollment btw.

[@jasonodonnell5177]

"the biggest", bet that is what you tell everyone. If you have to tell everyone you're the biggest, you're not. Unfortunately, you're compensating.

[@jefferybarnovitz1718]

Plus, 90-day is a week before OSU vs. UofM

[@Al-Rudigor]

No time would have been the right time for UM fans.

[@user-qu5nh2ij5v]

Here Josh pate goes again defending cheating. Josh clearly doesn’t love the game as much as he claims to or he’d call Michigan out. He doesn’t want to lose the Michigan fan base. He has 0 integrity

[@MrMabloom]

This comes across as sour grapes. There was nothing he said that wasn’t true.

[@PinkToid]

Natty Champs!! If you aint cheating, you dont want to win bad enough. Keep crying you babies! ITS GREAT TO BE A MICHIGAN WOLVERINE

[@bradleyforrester5757]

Michigan vs. Ohio State was the most-watched college football game of the 2023 regular season, averaging 19.1 million viewers. Even the NCAA understands complex math and economics! Frankly, they should drop this nothingburger and give Michigan an award!

[@jeffreymcfadden9403]

Ah, we don't like whine with our cheeseburger. There are many football programs who have had enough of Michigan. Tennessee fans are pissed. South Carolina, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, UM programs are very nervous.(maybe more?) Imagine how ND, OSU and MSU will react when UM gets the hammer dropped on them.

[@taxisquad11]

Ohio State and Michigan can still play each other with the investigation. Actually the ratings will even be higher with the investigation. The NCAA is doing this for television

[@lightschunk]

NCAA is just jelly that we have a national championship 🏆 and they dont 😅.

[@ayooo824]

this is something a 10 year old would type, typical IQ of the michigan fan that never attended

[@GoatedAtNFS]

after what 75 years? i’m sure they don’t care about that

[@mikeworkman1759]

​@@ayooo824he most likely is 10 years old...welcome to the internet bud.

[@justincolvin6712]

I agree with you the championship was legit. That being said I think a more important question should be asked. Would they make the playoffs if they hadnt cheated? If the answer to that in anyway is maybe then the championship has to be in the talks

[@vw8886]

No, they would still be a 9-3 team.

[@justincolvin6712]

@@vw8886 Theres no guarantee they would be 9-3 without it.

[@trumanwitt5526]

@@justincolvin6712 the NCAA is in the business of trying to right things from the moment of infraction. If punishment had been rolled out at that immediate point. The team would likely had a gutted staff and a gutted roster before that championship ever happened. But even if they vacate everything which they won’t. Does any Michigan fan really care. You watched them win, it happened. The team was damn good last year. Was it built on some shady shit, yep. But they got away with it long enough. It’s over with.

[@wattsinc.]

​@@trumanwitt5526not over. The hammer follows

[@justincolvin6712]

@@trumanwitt5526 Damn good is speculative considering cheating was needed to get there

[@themrjim1953]

wake up dude, NCAA has already seen the video, expect moore to be fired was already on probation, this is huge and will lost their Natty and last 3 big ten titles

[@khrisstake2210]

Sure

[@yoc329]

@@khrisstake2210get ready

[@khrisstake2210]

@@yoc329 mhmm

[@yoc329]

@@khrisstake2210 *️⃣

[@khrisstake2210]

@@yoc329 🏆