Josh Pate On "SEC Is Overrated" Claims (Late Kick Cut)

SEC Football has been on a tear for the better part of this millennium dominating the College Football Playoff especially. On Late Kick Live Ep 525 Josh Pate responded to a viewer's unpopular take that not only is the SEC overrated but it's not even the best conference in the sport. Just this season the SEC figures to have UGA, Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, Missouri, and Oklahoma in the top 25 plus legacy programs like Auburn and Florida looking to rebound. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@someguy6212]

As a Big 10 fan, I can say that the SEC is the best conference. They have been the best and probably always will be.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

The SEC “WAS” the best. The Big 10 “IS” the best. There is a difference. It’s not like the Big 10 added a team with a QB that already beat Texas, oh wait…

[@GoatedAtNFS]

@@RadicallyOptimisticcount how many B1G championships since 2000. oh go ahead and count USC. still in denial

[@ChristianDLucas]

@@RadicallyOptimisticthe delusion is strong with this one.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

“Championships since 2000” is a PAST statistic but keep going…

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

How about we project the next 10 championships or is that too hard for you small-minded fans of schools who ride the coattails of Saban and Kirby.

[@jackshaftoe1715]

Please Notre Dame tell us again about 33 YEARS AGO !🦆

[@happynotredamefan3736]

we can technically claim 2012 and are the real champs in 93.

[@jackshaftoe1715]

@@happynotredamefan3736 My mother was equally delusional. But she only watched because of Joe Montana.

[@evan1788]

Please Oregon, tell us when the last time you actually won something was?

[@jackshaftoe1715]

@@evan1788 Well "WE" just started buying players so lets see what happens...☺

[@WangHungLo]

There is a reason why the S.E.C has won thirteen of the last eighteen National Championships also the S.E.C has won five consecutive National Championships in College baseball. Let's not forget about Kim Mulkey and Dawn Staley in women's College basketball. The S.E.C is the greatest Conference in the world. Just ask Livvy Dunne

[@jaymoret7418]

Stanford won the Director's Cup 26 of the last 30 years. This denotes the #1 college athletic program in the country. So the PAC12 dominated in terms of all athletic programs. The SEC isn't even close. No SEC team finished #1...but with the addition of Texas, who's won 3 of the last 4, that will change. There's more to athletics than baseball, football and basketball. This is an example of the SEC being overrated.

[@WangHungLo]

@@jaymoret7418 there is a reason why the PAC-12 doesn't exist anymore. Stanford is now in the ACC. If the PAC-12 was so good then why haven't they won a National Championship in football since 2004? The S.E.C has won thirteen National Championships in football alone since 2004

[@jaymoret7418]

@@WangHungLo Stanford starts in the ACC this upcoming year. What I just showed you are facts. They don't care about your feelings. Over the past 30 years, the SEC has never had the #1 college athletic program. Again, there is more to an athletic program than football, basketball and baseball. The SEC has had the best football conference and maybe baseball conference, but not the best athletic program...period. So saying the SEC is the "greatest Conference in the world" is an absolute untruth.

[@tomdemay6147]

Livvy Dunne was the 8th best gymnast on LSU last year.

[@LaCrux]

@@jaymoret7418But the post said that the SEC was overrated and not the best in college football. So based on the comment that Josh is referring to, that is false.

[@Pseudowolf]

I’ve always heard the SEC is overrated because all of the schools are just riding Alabama’s coattails (and Georgia’s). And you might have an argument if it wasn’t for that 123-94 stat vs P5 teams. Alabama and Georgia are powerhouse teams, to be sure, but the other teams can be just as difficult to beat. SEC games mean your can’t just show up & cakewalk to a win. You have to bring your A game every week.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

Bowl games dont matter. Penn St was way better than Ole Miss last year. Look at the FPI. The FPI is more accurate than bowl results with second stringers

[@user-xp6qd4sk1j]

Just so we clear on something. LSU has more national championships this century than uga. MORE than ANY other team in the country not named gumps.

[@TravelinOn-tb9hy]

I read an obscure article in Sports Illustrated in 1995 that shocked me. It said the SEC has quietly been the best conference, when crunching the significant numbers, in college football since 1950. And the article crunched the numbers to prove it. This was a shocker because at that time, and going back to 1971 when I first began watching college football, it was the B1G every year that was touted as the best conference, not even close. My brother and I would watch the media all year make this claim, and then the SEC would almost always outperform the B1G in bowl games, overall and head-to-head, and the announcers would admit on the last day of the season that it turns out the SEC was the best conference for that year, to everyone's surprise. Then the next season would start, and it was the B1G again, with no mention of the previous year(s)... and this happened throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s. It wasn't until the big run that garnered the SEC seven championships in a row (2007-2012) that the media narrative changed. Admittedly the SEC became MORE dominant during that timeframe. But it has been at the top of the college football world, in results if not in perception, since I was born 60 years ago.

[@harryhoesch3793]

Miami and FSU are locking up the State of Florida recruiting pipeline of the best players that the SEC used to tap. They are also poaching SEC locals. Watch the ACC rise in the recruiting rankings as the SEC falls.

[@aaronlampkin284]

I'm telling you, Saban and Kirby can only keep that conference up for so long.

[@Dead-moon-rising-productions]

@@aaronlampkin284Kirby will keep winning nattys enough said Goooo Dawgs Sickem

[@sambarclay2593]

Yeah but you still have Georgia, South Carolina, California and Texas that the SEC gets a lot of players from. The SEC recruits well from all over.

[@MattBuild4]

Yall have been saying this for the last 20 years and outside of a one-off for FSU both of yall really havent been contenders since the 00s and 90s.

[@Mzbbxhfbfnsx]

Fun fact Randy Shannon was the HC of Miami back when they brought in the #1 recruiting class in the country

[@williamtan3804]

Thank you Josh for dispelling all the non-SEC delusion out there with FACTS. The SEC has been so dominant that most SEC fans don’t feel like they even have to defend themselves. Someone out there needs to actually put these haters in their place.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

More like they cant defend themselves without drawing upon stats from a time when the Pac-12 was still a thing

[@hillvolfan]

The SEC, as a whole, is the best conference in the nation. That doesn’t mean that the other conferences don’t have great teams they just don’t have as many overall.

[@dentonyoung4314]

Asa West Coast guy, I can definitively say the SEC is the best football conference and has been for a while. College football has gone through several evolutions. The first powerhouse was the Ivy League -- specifically the Big three of Princeton, Harvard and Yale. Then it became Eastern independents such as Pitt and Fordham. The Big Nine was next up, with Minnesota, Ohio State and Michigan. There was an era of parity for a bit, as West Coast teams like Southern Cal and UCLA joined the fray. In the 1980's eastern independents like Penn State and Miami rose again. And then starting with the late 1990's, the South became the seat of power in college football, starting with the three Florida schools and then teams like Tennessee and Alabama (and a couple spectacular individual seasons by Auburn and LSU.)

[@buildingbread]

Conferences are overrated. It's just a way for lesser teams to grab onto the coattails of winning teams. 🤷🏾 These are the same types of people who brag about rating and revenue.

[@Head-ck4hu]

I foresee the committee making sure that the multiple teams in the CFP play each other to ensure that two SEC teams are not in the finals after several years of it happening.

[@jeffandsherriefranzwa8970]

One can debate how much to make of recruiting rankings. Draft picks, on the other hand, are much more meaningful. GM’s and HC’s careers are at stake, and championships.

[@SurferRC]

Exactly recruiting rankings are guesses draft picks are based in college performance and ability

[@CalvinMoses-wd5vs]

Tell us Notre Dame dude

[@derekarnold9]

Hurts to see that the pac12 was 2nd closest in some of those metrics 😭

[@GoatedAtNFS]

and now it’s gone

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Irish Fan. SEC is overrated. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Best players and best coaches.....best conference.

[@belowaveragedudewithanopin2249]

The SEC is good but it’s not Rutgahs university. Rutgers football segment when?

[@harryhoesch3793]

What states recruits, are likely to go pro. If Florida recruits are no longer easy SEC easy pickins. What will change?

[@johnathanthornton391]

Simple answer really it is because 1 the s.e.c media coverage we not gone act like popularity doesn’t play a factor in making it to the nfl draft and since Alabama and Georgia or such power houses if you have a good game against them your going to the draft no matter how you really stack up against other players in college

[@joshuaevans1279]

If you play good against Bama and Georgia, then you play good against everyone.

[@jaredwells465]

Pate is an affiliate of CBS. They are highly invested in the SEC. He is going to pump the stats that push the narrative. How many of the NFL players in the last 3 Superbowls have been SEC? How many from other conferences? How many MVPs have been from the SEC and other conferences? There are plenty of stats that show a more balanced picture. But you aren't going to get that info from SEC network affiliate.

[@randrothify]

One thing everyone is overlooking is that in this new playoff era teams that are not conference champs will be required to play at the higher seeds‘ stadium. This opens up the possibility that SEC teams will need to play in weather that the have never had to contend with before. That changes things quite a bit. While the SEC has been the dominant conference from 2000 onward, it can be said that they rarely played true road games outside of their footprint and certainly not in conditions that they were unfamiliar with. Big Ten teams did so on the regular, in OOC play and during bowl season when most games have been exclusively in warm weather environments or controlled conditions. That is an automatic advantage for SEC teams because they are built with those conditions in mind. Not so for Big Ten teams. We will just have to wait and see if this is an equalizer that was never considered because the possibility never existed before or if the SEC is just plain better. We might find out if the path to a championship goes at some point goes through Columbus, Ann Arbor, State College, or some other cold weather place in the dead of winter.

[@joshjohnson2736]

Same goes for big 10. Try playing football with heat Index of 115 and 95% humidity. They will fall out before halftime.😅

[@randrothify]

@@joshjohnson2736True. But Big 10 teams have experience playing in hot weather during bowl season and OOC away games at the beginning of the season. The SEC has never really experienced what it’s like to play during winter conditions because they don’t play late regular season OOC away games against cold weather opponents and the bowls are always in warm weather locations. That said, SEC teams are usually just better period, but when another element is introduced into the equation it could lead to some interesting outcomes that cause people to question whether weather (pardon the pun) should be a new criteria to consider when evaluating matchups.

[@MattBuild4]

@@joshjohnson2736 They already do, its called every SEC OOC game because that conference is too afraid to ever leave the south........

[@positroll7870]

An example for SEC being overrated: When Michigan was assigned Alabama in the Rose bowl, they gasped as they watched FSU getting shafted. But all the SEC slobbering media, with ESPN front and center, claimed Michigan did gasp because they were AFRAID of big bad Bama, because they couldn't hang with their physical lines and SEC speed. And 'of course' Saban would outcoach Harbaugh. Boy did those lines look stupid when Michigan sacked their mobile Qb 6 times. Boy, did Bamas SEC backfield look slow when Michigan's slot receiver outran 3 defenders to the pylon. And boy did Jim show why he got a team to a NFL superbowl, and Saban didn't. Yes, the SEC has good teams. No, they aren't as good as their fans and ESPN claim they are.

[@Dead-moon-rising-productions]

Too bad I mean Georgia wouldn’t of been left out we could have took Michigan back to the wood shed again Goooo Dawgs Sickem we taking that natty back soon

[@michaelbaker8633]

So your example is an OT win over the worst Alabama team since 2007?

[@positroll7870]

@@michaelbaker8633 you can have that opinion, given that Bama had trouble with an Auburn team that then got whooped by B1G Maryland. But SEC fan boys were convinced even that 'worst Bama team since X' would easily beat Michigan, because SEC, SEC, SEC. Which actually reinforces the point that SEC fan boys go by overinflated sense of self, not reality.

[@positroll7870]

@@Dead-moon-rising-productions if your dawg had had balls last year, it would have beaten Bama. You didn't, we did, so don't puff up your chest...

[@Dead-moon-rising-productions]

@@positroll7870 oh yeah our only loss was by 3 pts clap clap we still winning the natty this year hey I had fun watching my dawgs make Florida st look like a cupcake school

[@GoatedAtNFS]

when we go to 12 teams and consistently SEC teams make it into the championship I don’t wanna hear it and let’s see if Texas and Oklahoma still think that as well as Notre Dame fans

[@SurferRC]

If they stack the deck with sec teams you will hear it. Never let in more than 3 sec or any other conference teams then we will know for sure!

[@MattBuild4]

Well it really depends on how the playoff selection goes. If its legit then sure, but if i see more of this bs where teams beat opponents in the regular season yet magically dont make the playoffs whereas their opponents do and they have equal or better records im gonna call bs......

[@GoatedAtNFS]

@@MattBuild4 Jordan Travis being hurt means Florida State does not win the championship. Tate Rodemaker didn’t light up Florida like how other teams did and Brock Glenn didn’t light up Louisville. so what makes you think they’re lighting up Michigan? continue with the “committee is biased narrative” because it goes directly with my original statement of people complaining about the amount of SEC teams in the playoffs now expanded

[@MattBuild4]

@@GoatedAtNFS I dont really get why youre responding to me. My comment is really not about FSU. It has more to do with past seasons like: 2000 FSU losing to Miami, yet FSU making it over Miami despite having the same record. 2001 Colorado destroying Nebraska, yet Nebraska making it over them 2008 - undefeated teams not making it while two one loss teams do. 2011 - Alabama losing their division yet making it over Oklahoma state despite having the same record. 2014 TCU and Baylor tie for the title and neither of them make it because they dont have a conference title game, yet non-conference title winners make it in 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, and 22 2016 Penn State literally beating Ohio State, yet Ohio State making it over them 2017 Alabama making it over an undefeated champion because of SOS, yet disregarding a two loss conference champion team with far better SOS than them All I want is a logical and consistent criteria, but this sport has not had this for nearly 30 years.

[@leekirk7471]

How can anyone say the SEC is overrated based on recent history, and now they've added OU and Texas, so that makes them even stronger.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

Because the prompt is futuristic and the Big 10 just added Oregon who had a QB who already beat Texas. Also USC with their resources will fix things. The SEC WAS the best. The big 10 IS the best

[@voiceofreason2674]

Oklahoma does not make us stronger, Texas is for real. But Oklahoma is smoke and mirrors

[@Dead-moon-rising-productions]

@@RadicallyOptimisticand Oregon got steam rolled by UGA your point

[@CrashB111]

@@RadicallyOptimistic Oregon's logo matches the number of titles they've won.

[@MattBuild4]

Recent history is more compelling, but the problem imo is that they always love to use the championship argument and the championship arguement has considerable flaws. Namely in that post season for college football has been historically very suspicious, inconsistent, and downright corrupt. They laud 13 titles and yet if you look at those years about 80% of them have controversy in selection. Now they still won the title, which should be recognized, but whats really annoying is that the conference and their fans make zero effort to acknowledge that the selection has been atrocious garbage. As an example, the first title the SEC won in the 21st century, the literal #1 ranked team in the country magically didnt even make the national championship game. LSU played a team that got BLOWN THE FREAK OUT in the conference title championship by 28. You know so, its not like im pointing out minor technicalities here.

[@SurferRC]

Every metric that has the sec at one has the acc at two over the past 20 years! Draft picks, nattys, nonconference top 25 wins, teams in the top 60 for offense and defense….

[@Wetrockstah2116]

Facts. You can take teams like Ole miss, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and put them in the big 12, or acc and they would consistently be competing for ACC or big 12 championships. I mean every now and then Clemson or Florida state can be strong, but its just not the same.. SEC is competitive and deep with so much talent its crazy. Ill put it this way, in order to win the SEC you have to have alot of talent, and depth at almost every position and have top level coaching on both sides of the ball.

[@MattBuild4]

Funny cuz Mizzou literally came from the B12 and outside of 2 seasons they were mid to trash...... Tennessee hasnt been relevant since the 90s and Tulane has more conference titles in the SEC than Kentucky - clearly that program hasnt done anything for 120 years.

[@Wetrockstah2116]

@@MattBuild4 you're talking about back in the day, the big 12 back 15 years ago or so wasn't a weak conference, Oklahoma and Texas, and OSU, Nebraska, the old big 12 was a strong conference. I'm talking about now, the last 8 years or so, and moving forward. The past is the past, what matters is now and moving forward. Kentucky isn't the same Kentucky football as it has been throughout history, Kentucky was invested in basketball throughout history so no they didn't win Alot of SEC championships in football, however in basketball they have more SEC championships than literally every other program in the conference combined. But the football program since 2016 has been improving year by year and now is a solid football program. Missouri has had some good teams, they did last year for the first time in a while, Tennessee has kind of gotten back to being a solid football program, ole Miss as well. Every one of those programs are solid in the SEC, and I'd say if they played an ACC or big 12 schedule their records would be Alot better.

[@MattBuild4]

@@Wetrockstah2116 kentucky is still overrate garbage literally couldnt win 8 games the last two years.... Do you have any idea how easy it is to win 8 games in the SEC? Your halfway there playing 4 garbage OOC opponents are home. Kentucky literally got ranked beating teams that went a combined 18-43..... That is ridiculous trash. They get annhiliated by Georgia and somehow theyre still ranked cuz "oh there an SEC team".... Lose 3 straight then beat a team that goes 5-7 on the year and the ESPN bs machine kicks into gear to put them at #25 just in time to play Alabama.

[@Wetrockstah2116]

@@MattBuild4 boy did you just say it was easy to win 8 games in the SEC?? That statement off the rip just makes it difficult to take anything else you say seriously. You must be a casual. For the record KY since 2016 or so has been solid, played Georgia in 2018 and 2021 pretty much for the bid to Atlanta for the SEC championship. But ya know nobody has been able to beat Georgia over the last 6 years or so besides Alabama. So UK has been solid, they consistently put out a top 2-5 defensive unit in the SEC almost every season, they were second in rush defense last year in the SEC, but took some steps back on pass defense and 3rd downs. They should have beat Clemson in the bowl game last year, considering they were one penalty away from dominating them until they folded in the 4th quarter with 3 consecutive turnovers in Clemson territory. Was a play away from beating Tennessee, and south Carolina, so to keep it 💯 they were just two or 3 plays away from winning 9 games last year. So yeah their "oVerrAteD" 🙄 their actually slept on quite a bit, with top 25 recruiting classes every year, top 15 transfer classes, and just put together the 16th best recruiting class in the country for 2025. So quit hatin

[@MattBuild4]

@@Wetrockstah2116 To win 8 games in the SEC - you play 4 teams at home that probably havent finished above .500 in the last 5 years, so youre already 50% of the way there. Then you have to win just 4 games against Vandy, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Mizzou, Miss State, A&M, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, and Georgia. Your conference is not as stacked as you think it is, you manipulate your schedules to optimize wins. Yes winning the conference is difficult but winning 8 games really isnt.

[@MsNerdsRevenge]

SEC had Coach Bryant? After what he did to break color and racial barriers???????? After what the SEX and intercollegiate leagues have done to get the stones for Notre Dame correct?????? SEC has some of the most intense groupings for Sports.

[@manwholaughs2477]

Any other conference in the country wouldn’t be better than the SEC if the Irish joined them foh.

[@EHcatches]

People actually think there is a better conference? We just picked up Texas and Oklahoma. Gtfo

[@TracyFSU32306]

They are the best conference in football (for now), but they are also overrated.

[@Braisedin]

Never been this early. What's up y'all

[@migattenokobe2562]

Yes sec has been dominant championship wise but they’re top heavy. Plus media bias has helped them get into a lot of those championship games/playoffs they probably shouldn’t have been in. Just results alone they’re the best but if we apply context they’re a little overrated. It’s between them and the big ten for best conference though obviously.

[@AaronSoDope]

SEC is top heavy every year

[@givemeabreakdoc]

“Not the best conference?” Rotflmao. It’s literally not even close

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

Then why is USC, the 5th best team in the big 10 better than Mizzou, the 5th best team in the SEC?

[@givemeabreakdoc]

@@RadicallyOptimistic they’re not.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

So you use PAST accomplishments to argue that the SEC WILL be the best going FORWARD? This makes no sense. How about project for NEXT season? Everything that happened before conference realignment must be thrown out the window

[@tungthanhdinh7401]

Idiotic comment, lol. The Notre Dame idiot who is probably still salty about getting beat the shit out by the SEC, say the SEC is overrated. You can only be rated by current and recent accomplishment, how can you be rated by the future unless you have a crystal ball, lol. The only thing you can do is to based on current and recent data and project/make educated guess.

[@happynotredamefan3736]

Irish fan would probably say every conference sucks and we would have better recruiting if had Freemen earlier and not Kelly.

[@willcruikshank7972]

These people have to be trolling

[@jdwilmoth]

Notre Dame better join a conference are they going to get left behind if you're not a conference champion you shouldn't even be in the playoffs screw the at large bids

[@daltonbradshaw1391]

These stats go crazy 😂 you buried this guy respectfully

[@mommatried6851]

Only a BIG 10 would say something that ridiculous.

[@dragonsurge1]

He’s literally a Notre Dame fan tho

[@user-et6sz3il2n]

Josh, this is gonna trigger some of those "special" people out there...can't wait to see it!

[@happynotredamefan3736]

1:50 What team has the most players drafted? Georgia? No, Bama? No, Texas? no It’s Notre Dame with second & third highest from big 10.

[@tnbiggun]

nobody

[@douglaswitt4581]

Go ducks pac 12 pate go ducks!!

[@bwilson21345]

I believe the SEC was top heavy which makes sense but now I think it’s trending towards being more well rounded as a conference

[@BB13131313]

The SEC has been the best conference for the last 20 years.. but the whole "gauntlet" every year is exaggerated.. every year they have 2 elite teams, 1 really good team, 1 overachieving team, and the rest is a bunch of mediocre/bad teams..

[@theedee876]

You just literally described the big 10 with the 4 teams every year including an overachiever in Iowa.

[@BB13131313]

@@theedee876 exactly my point..

[@corndogwallace7721]

To all the dope heads in denial about the SEC not being the best……..

[@Angrygumballl]

Come on let's not pretend like ESPN put in all the chips on the SEC after they botched the deal with Jim Delaney didn't play a role in this....

[@alostcause4035]

Except just about every single metric and statistic tells the exact same story. The sec is by far the best conference.

[@BB13131313]

Both can be true.. SEC has been the best conference over the last 20 years.. but there's also a lot of politics and shady sh!t that goes on with them..

[@jasonbritt2497]

The irony of someone named “irishfan” calling any conference overrated 😂😂😂😂 at least everyone else isn’t scared to play in one

[@scottturner1504]

Alabama has single handedly put the SEC above any conference in the nation

[@chuckwest7045]

Wrong. Take Alabama out of the equation and the rest of the SEC has more national championships in the BCS/CFP era than any other conference. Learn the facts.

[@scottturner1504]

@@chuckwest7045 WRONG...bama has more national championships ,more sec championships ,more Heisman winners, more nfl players, more trophies ,shall I keep on with the FACTS!

[@chuckwest7045]

@@scottturner1504 Now you're trying to change your tune. I never said that Alabama wasn't the most successful SEC program ever. They are and an argument can be made that they're the best college football program ever. In fact I'll argue that point for them. However that's a far cry from saying that Alabama has single handedly carried the SEC to the top. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[@Marktastik86]

​@chuckwest7045 Alabama got more national championships then all other sec teams combined and we got more nfl players then all other sec teams and we wun the sec last year and would of wun the national championship if not fur Michigan cheating.

[@scottturner1504]

@@Marktastik86 he won't listen

[@colonelmaphadew7653]

Leave it up to Rudy to call any conference overrated

[@tomdemay6147]

SEC has been the dominant conference since basically the invention of the BCS nearly 30 years ago. Since that time SEC has won more titles than all the other conferences combined and has had several teams win titles. Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee. All these teams except Georgia have a BCS championship. Since BCS was created SEC has 6 teams win the title all the other conferences combined for 9 teams. And SEC is adding two of those (Texas and Oklahoma) so next year SEC will have 8 of the 15 programs (over half) that have won a title since creation of the BCS in their conference. You have to back to pre-BCS to find time when SEC wasn't dominating college football. Back to the 80s and early 90s when Big 8 Nebraska was at it's peak with Oklahoma and Colorado along with 4 legit title contending Independents because FSU, Miami and Penn State were all Independent as well Notre Dame. SEC was still good but not dominating CFB. It's a ridiculous 30 year period now where SEC has been far and away the best and deepest conference.

[@MattBuild4]

How do you talk about the BCS and yet fail to recognize how incredibly controversial that era was....... - You cannot say you dominated the BCS era, when teams that outrank you magically dont play in the title game. - You cannot say you dominated the BCS era when there are seasons with 2-3 times as many undefeated teams as there are spots for selection. - You cannot say you dominated the BCS era when there are multiple teams with the same record as your champion but dont make the chance playing for a title because the selection process is garbage. I mean youre talking about a post season selection system that had to change how it did its rankings 6 times because of controversy, and a system that literally got sued TWICE by the federal government for corruption. It is ridiculous to act like this era is above board without controversy.

[@tomdemay6147]

@@MattBuild4 it was controversial, and I agree with that. I HATED the BCS. However the final season rankings are what they are. SEC has dominated for a long time.

[@lifeislikeaboxofchocolates5383]

Can a Big10 fan pls refute anything he just said rather than debating off of emotion

[@ronodell2935]

I'm an acc guy. Tired of the sec. Top half solid. Bottom half overrated for sure.

[@eeriepizzeria]

nfl results 🤷

[@slanderpop8771]

I mean the same can be said of a lot of conferences. The big 10 is top heavy, so was the big 12 and ACC