Josh Pate's Big Ten Program Power Rankings (Late Kick Cut)

The Big Ten is expanding with the addition of USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington. On Late Kick Live Ep 481 Josh Pate ranked all 18 programs using a rolling 3-year blended set of criteria including on-field performance, talent acquisition, resource pool, and stability. With Ohio State and Michigan atop the Big Ten, is there another team joining the top tier? How do the next tiers shake out? Has Luke Fickell gotten Wisconsin fully back? Where do programs like Iowa and Penn State stack up? Could a turnaround be in the cards for Nebraska? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@LateKickwithJoshPate]

Keep the show free - SUBSCRIBE to the channel and LIKE the video. - JP

[@jackdillree6687]

My feedback to you josh is a 100% thumbs up, your breakdown of all teams I believe was right on as I'm not only a BIG10 fan but a PSU fan and I also follow all your shows because I'm most of all a college football fan and you do an excellent job in what you do keep up the great job thanks

[@josephcernansky1794]

I'd put Washington ahead of USC.....and after this year Wisconsin may be tops of Tier 3.......it will be interesting to see what the Penn State versus anOSU game this year will be like? IT SHOULD be THE White Out!!! Can we burn The Fox Sports SUCKS Network down if they make that a noon game?!! White Outs are ALWAYS NIGHT GAMES!! Penn State is Unrivaled!! (The ONLY B1G school without a "protected" rival game...SO...the PROTECTED Rival Game is...THE GREATEST SPORTING EVENT in the WORLD!!!...THE White Out!! Penn State PICKS the "rival" for THAT game and Penn State sets the DATE and time of game!! NOW...the world be right after that!!

[@caseymagee5251]

Didn’t you start this by saying your not ranking these based off of what they did this season or you think they will do next season

[@caseymagee5251]

What does Washington’s sports teams have to do to get the respect they deserve. Across all sports they are constantly disrespected and undervalued until people are left with no choice but to say “I was wrong about Washington/seattle”

[@CFBPSU]

Unrivaled in our tier 🦁

[@michaelparrison1766]

Josh Pate: Mega SC Fan Here, Until Further Notice Your Assessment Of SC Is Absolutely Spot On ✌️, It Is What It Is Period 😮..........

[@3rdandlong]

I don't know if you were going by what Joel Klatt was predicting, but he also has Oregon at #3. And with Oregon, I have to correct you on one minor thing. Under Dan Lanning it's "Progrum". Dan Lanning has a top 3 ranked Progrum. And yes, #3 ranked 24 recruiting class. A first. And the best.

[@clarencewalder2985]

And how many pac12 or national championship? Heck how many championships period. Yes so far he a good coach so far 3 years compared to ?. Can Oregon win it all of course they can just like any other team

[@3rdandlong]

@@clarencewalder2985 I'd be curious to see the odd's for this season of Oregon winning it all. I'm guessing it is near the top of the heap.

[@timalan7406]

Ohio State's national ranking over the last 6 years; 3Rd is just average! Like Penn State and Nebraska, Oregon is going to find out what a beat down the Big10 is this year. 2024 92.92 (2nd) 2023 93.44 (3rd) 2022 94.17 (3rd) 2021 95.05 (2nd) 2020 91.79 (5th) 2019 92.02 (3rd)

[@brycewilson1909]

man i just hope Michigan State can win some more football games this upcoming season

[@jeffdogmoe1061]

really like this pate guys approach

[@xmositoxc147]

Glad Rutgers wasn't in the last tier. Steady progression with Schiano as always. Removal of leagues will help us. At the very least, it will not benefit the West teams who had it easy. Crossing fingers that a good year elevates us to the next tier of teams soon.

[@xmositoxc147]

@XCodes not saying it isn't easy but 3 Auto loses is never a good thing. And I supposed that given any year in the past 5 no one in the west would trade schedules with Rutgers, Maryland. I sure wouldn't. Remember if you trade places with Michigan St, you don't play Michigan St. So if your Wisconsin, your schedule is Michigan, PennS, OhioS, Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland Vs Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, Nebraska, Iowa For 2024 everyone was making fun of rutgers because they were still playing everyone in the East plus USC if I remember correctly. Then Wash and Oregon came in.. Somehow we missed OSU, UM and PennS.... and everyone is saying how we got lucky and have the easiest schedule.

[@Mike-sp7zv]

Rutgers is underrated now and that's a huge success from what they were

[@aaronbilansky374]

I feel thats pretty spot on.... We Are

[@bigwats1250]

NOBODY 🖕🏿lil lions

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

This feels like both a projection and a grade of on-field results at the same time. If it were me, and it isn’t, I would stick to one. I feel like it makes more sense to go by only resume or only power, but not both

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Intriguing.

[@dariusrucker7854]

Cant wait for the Big 12 power rankings!

[@SG-jv5zi]

I don't think i'd change anything about this list

[@timjackson2810]

Anybody who knows the Big would disagree with you. Im a buckeye fan i agree with tier 1. Maybe change Oregon and Michigan. Only because Harbaughs departure. But Wisconsin has been the most consistent program outside of osu the last Twenty years. Facts

[@sharpe52312]

I’m a badger fan and I think our ranking is appropriate. We’ve lost too many games the last three years. Iowas beat us three years in a row now. However, I think we are about to be on a major upswing and challenge Penn state and USC for the 4th best program in the conference. May be able to surpass Michigan too if they cannot sustain what Harbaugh built.

[@andrewmueller9986]

O State just hired Chip Kelly. I think this will help their offense.

[@throgmortonartstudio2402]

Just help huh? lmao!

[@Mike-sp7zv]

​@throgmortonartstudio2402 what do you want him to say?

[@garygrunst140]

Look out for the Ducks. There comming !

[@andrewmueller9986]

@@garygrunst140 Here come the Ducks!!

[@throgmortonartstudio2402]

@@Mike-sp7zv Just a little underwhelming lol.

[@scandalousdeity]

Ok, here's another idea for a video for you, spawning off of this one. You mention teams in ascension mode, teams that could be on the rise, such as Nebraska and Wisconsin. Ok, if they move up several spots, who do you see above them that would drop several spots?

[@John-zz6fz]

This looks pretty right to me... any chance you would do a Top 12 National Progrum power ranking? I say 12 as it implies perennial playoff teams.

[@accentball]

Pretty fair list. Not sure I'd change much. Maybe a few things in the 10-18 range, but i dont think any of those teams are possible of making a humongous leap this year, so I won't bother 😂

[@justingold9240]

As a Nebraska fan I hope you are right, but I probably would have put us in tier 5 at least

[@Alex-zs3kn]

Based on on-the-field performance, we should be waaaayyyy below Minnesota and just behind Purdue

[@Stewstories]

I disagree, our recruiting has been good. We also are starting to build. But I do agree that Nebraska is definitely not top tier but they have potential to get there

[@Stewstories]

As a Nebraska fan I was sad to see we are considered tier 4 but it is accurate none the less. All those teams above us would probably beat Nebraska in the past 3 years. Now in the next 2 years that will hopefully change but we will see

[@thepokemonpowerhouse5562]

This was a program ranking, nebraska has an overall better program then iowa lol. Iowa wouldn't have won barely any games against us if we had a competent qb. But guess what we just got?

[@abh3136]

Not a Nebraska fan but I’m rooting for the huskers to make a comeback! I think Matt Rhule is going to get things turned around for y’all!! CFB is better overall when Nebraska is rolling!

[@Stewstories]

@@thepokemonpowerhouse5562 you make a great point and I actually agree. I actually think we had the potential to go 10 and 2 if we had a good quarterback. At minimum we would have won 1 more game.

[@Stewstories]

@@abh3136 I appreciate it man! It’s been a rough time for us for a long time. I am looking forward to seeing what happens this fall. This is controversial take but I actually hope that they give Dylan Rayolah a year to get settled instead of putting him in the first season. I will take one more hard year if it means that we have an amazing QB for 3 or 4 more

[@mattm402]

@@thepokemonpowerhouse5562 an incompetent coach who brought his fcs buddies to lincoln while he used the golf simulator and got to drunk to show up at in home visits for the #1 recruit in the nation?

[@rtdasilva3]

this is a fair spot for MD. The B1G has some depth.

[@RensCollectibles]

As a michigan fan, I think this is accurate. I am higher on Michigan than most still, being undefeated going into the game.

[@brandonman1315]

High is right. Your cheating scum program is losing at least 3.

[@maxhill779]

The feeling is mutual

[@quinncrewdson9992]

UCLA was the only one that surprised me. Figured they would be in tier 4. Somewhere around Maryland.

[@BrianMichigan]

LOL Penn State being the only tier 2 team makes so much sense

[@user-gj5cn3rb2n]

I forgot Oregon was big 10 now, i thought you were gonna put penn there lol. Good call.

[@brettk9316]

How the mighty has fallen USC just a tier 2 team now 😪

[@brettk9316]

Sorry meant 3 my bad was giving them credit with my typo 🤣

[@michaelkevorkian2758]

Not mad about the placement of Illinois, but I'm mad you glanced over them without talking about them whatsoever.

[@ndmmt-wu7kz]

That’s about right.

[@jonathanhess4735]

I think that the program rating for Wisconsin is way undervalued. It’s the biggest color to say one of the top ten consistent winning/recruiting/valuable programs in the country is their 4 in their own conference

[@LateKickwithJoshPate]

When using the criteria I listed they're exactly where they should be with a chance to surge upward. - JP

[@sleipnir7124]

Pretty good assessment imo. I would probably switch Oregon and the team up north. That is not an indictment against TTUN. Their onfield results and player development speak for themselves. Just when comparing their coaching attrition to Oregon's trajectory, I would have Oregon at 2 right now. As Pate uses a three-year scale, this raking could look very different next year. We will have to see how TTUN adjusts. I think Moore as HC reduces a lot of the transition burden one would have had had they promoted from outside their organization, but on the other hand, their schedule is not easy in 2024. This will be one of the most interesting things to see next season.

[@brandonman1315]

They cheat on the field and their players do nothing in the nfl.

[@SpartZii]

josh i love u but lord have mercy brother

[@jonathonmross]

Love this, and by and large, I agree. I think UCLA could move up, right behind MSU. Wisconsin will likely move up into the next tier in the coming year or 2, but we'll see. SC could belong in the same tier as Penn State, but keep em in the same spot. Maybe bump Rutgers down behind Illinois.

[@Zoetropeification]

How many Big Ten teams make the playoffs this coming season?

[@dengold2009]

PSU in a tier by themselves. Still Unrivaled!

[@sheneedsme]

Hahaha yea by themselves as a second tier team.

[@bcrypto628]

Northwestern consistently beats Illinois, and competes for The West. If this were a five-year rolling, they should be in the top 12 at least.

[@Stewstories]

But they are in a bit of weird spot after losing their coach. And they lost 11 games in 2022, and 9 the year before. While I think they are 100% on the upswing. They still had 3 bad years. They’re recruiting I don’t think is as high as well. This is coming from a Nebraska fan who knows we have been terrible for a while.

[@Maddog2020RH]

Looks pretty good but I would definitely flip-flop Oregon and Penn State. Also Iowa and Wisconsin

[@markciocco2509]

Rutgers played both Ohio and Michigan in the 2023 season. In fact, Rutgers had one of the toughest 2023 schedules.

[@clarencewalder2985]

Anybody can beat Ohio, I thought that school was in mac. And how come we are calling Michigan, Michigan? They should be goblue right

[@travisdavisVXX]

GBR on the way up

[@HerbHerman-le5ux]

As a badger fan it upsets me that Iowa is higher on list but I can’t argue it :(

[@YourAverageFan]

As a Michigan fan, you either put us 1 (bc they’ve dominated the conference.) or you have to move them lower than 2. Complete new staff and QB. Plus they just hired Wink Martindale.

[@nickma71]

Michigan cheated. It is like looking at the steroid era stats and how someone flipped a switch. Harbaugh is a 10 win coach. It is his ceiling. Covid 2-4 was an outlier. No need to pretend otherwise on a bad season of football. They are not in a good spot.

[@MGOBACK2BACK2BACK]

@@nickma71lmao

[@ajsouthward961]

​@nickma71 they still gonna have Ohio states signs next season lol so they will win😂😂

[@johnprice7315]

@@nickma71🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@taxisquad11]

Wink was unemployed

[@josecuervo3351]

This is a pretty fair ranking. I would argue that both Wisconsin and Maryland should be ranked above Iowa.

[@RickSanchez167]

Iowa does better than and beats Wisconsin almost every year...

[@phillipcotton833]

Terp fan here. Iowa is one of my favorite programs from the standpoint of recruiting the right " fits" . Also...they benefit from the fact that the best in state high school players are likely to stay home, whereas Maryland H.S. talent is ....let's just say " open minded" to leaving the DMV. In a word...CONSISTENCY is why Iowa has been a better program overall.

[@sharpe52312]

@@RickSanchez167 Wisconsin is 8-4 against Iowa since 2010. But I’d agree that right now I’d put Iowa above Wisconsin since they’ve won the the last two years.

[@gopelty7197]

In future terms id agree md and wisconsin both may get 9 10 wins this next year if the cards play right

[@micahmay862]

The sec is way tuffer I think

[@ThatcherCrowder]

If Minnesota could get their recruiting churning then they could be top 10

[@TwilightsDreamAngel]

lol!!!! just say no to drugs

[@ThatcherCrowder]

@@TwilightsDreamAngel what are you talking about. As Josh said they are doing pretty good in the field if they can get their recruiting up and running at a very good team level then they would be top 10. I’m not saying top tier just top 10

[@TwilightsDreamAngel]

once you dump that terrible row the boat internet salesman. what solid recruit would feel that this used car salemen stuff is very odd ?@@ThatcherCrowder

[@voiceofreason2674]

Minnesota doesn't produce a five star recruit most years what kinda recruiting they gonna get churning? Somalian kids too skinny to play OLine

[@Zoetropeification]

Agree with your rankings tiers1 thru 4 except would drop Iowa behind Badgers and Terps. Tiers 5 and 6 don't matter. 🙂

[@timothywilson1019]

Decently accurate. I think there isn't enough love for UCLA. I'd spot them just behind Wisconsin.

[@jimjones9900]

With what coach?

[@ronaldreagan6756]

@@jimjones9900 .... and zero recruiting - check out this years mess... less than a dozen players and mostly 3 stars...

[@Stewstories]

I don’t know enough about them to say one way or another but with them losing a coach this long after the season has ended I’d almost say they are overvalued now.

[@zc3810]

Northwestern beat Utah and caught an 8 win season. Certainly over the past 3 years they've been bad but I think it's crazy to have them in the last tier off of how their latest season went

[@noeticjustice1535]

Michigan State and Northwestern might jump several spots in the next year or two.

[@galvanaut7119]

Yep...especially MSU.

[@jtjr26]

I think MSU now that they are getting clear of all the BS over the last few years will rebound but it might take a few seasons.

[@klawsonoxy]

Big10 let the wolf in the back door oregon, usc and even Washington with big10 exposure, media money, etc…well run conference. Michigan and perhaps even OSU will eventually be fighting to stay tier 1.

[@343Films]

Kind of a weird statement when both Michigan and OSU have outranked and outperformed Oregon, USC, and Washington in almost every way over the past three years. (Oregon and Washington obviously edged out OSU this past season).

[@klawsonoxy]

They have been stuck in the poorly run PAC-12. It’s going to take a while to happen…if it does.

[@343Films]

@@klawsonoxy for sure. I agree that it's a real possibility, but I just don't ever see OSU dropping from tier 1 (and i say this as a Michigan alum). Their football program is literally everything to that school

[@johnewing3295]

MSU should probably be at 19, but otherwise spot-on.

[@randyr1952]

Not as good at cheating. That hurts MSU

[@joshmiller6421]

@@randyr1952 they arent good at anything, that hurts them

[@AJHughes-hk5tt]

You're right once we beat Ohio state at home this year Then we can be tear one. We have to get back to beating michigan too.

[@louisgregoire3927]

Super topheavy

[@funkcakeband]

Frankly, I’m shocked you have Michigan ranked No. 2 given the offseason chaos. Lowkey massive compliment, actually

[@tomdemay6147]

its not a prediction of next year though.

[@johnmandock56]

USC is always overranked. Wake me up when they have a serious defense.

[@bullyear1973]

USC vs Ohio St all time record 13-10 USC vs Michigan al time record 38-13

[@larrys9879]

As a Purdue fan, let’s talk basketball. Indiana is a basketball State. Football is just something to do until basketball season starts. 😊

[@wattsinc.]

Come on now. Dont act like purdue cant beat amazing teams its just the average ones they struggle with

[@danschwartz1950]

Glad to see Michigan as high as 2 after all they are losing. Hope you are right. Ohio loaded with talent and keeps adding plus they only have 2 competitive games on their schedule and will be heavy favorites in both. If Ohio doesn’t win Big10 this year - will be interesting to see what happens in Columbus. Better stated if they should lose #4 to Michigan in Columbus that will even be worse.

[@cellamuert]

feels like you nailed it from top to bottom. even the ones that could be argued, maybe wisconsin and rutgers, you gave them just due as potential big movers. i think the biggest issue with the b1g is michigan state, minnesota, and nebraska. its a shame msu couldn't continue their dantonio peak, and same with minnesota and their boat rowing snake oil salesman. nebraska has just been bad for a long time when they used to be elite. they need to get up into USC program territory. if they can make that leap, and wisc and rutgers can make leaps too, the b1g becomes a really nasty league, not just a few behemoths and bunch of scrubs.

[@MrEddiethedog]

GoDucks!!!

[@TRex-eo3tl]

I think u nailed it

[@user-rn6hr1qw3l]

usc always gets ranked so high and at the end of the season youd ask yourself why they keep ranking this team so high , id put them at a solid number 7 or 8 and im a west coast fan

[@la7era1u54]

I'm not sure about Iowa being tier 3, but I can see how that case could be made. They seem very 1 dimensional and they have been playing in the easy side of the conference. I'm not sure how things will go for them moving forward

[@timoaks3732]

Here's how things will go for Iowa moving forward because it's what's best for CFB as a whole: National..........Championship.

[@MachoManMaury]

Big 10 should have invited Utah in and left UCLA behind.

[@BB13131313]

These decisions aren't based on just football alone though..

[@paulmayer8654]

Money money money, and it’s not just about football

[@MoetheBossPlaya]

The name Big 10 is horrible when there's 18 teams in the conference.😂

[@malber2000]

Not worried about it because we're maybe 5 years (max) from a super conference where the name will be totally different.

[@la7era1u54]

The Big 18 just sounds dumb. They should be called The SEC's Little Brother

[@Mike-sp7zv]

​@@la7era1u54didn't see bama or texas playing in the natty. NIL is hurting the poverty southern league. Academic money is legal now.

[@NODOUDT]

*progrums

[@galvanaut7119]

I'd put Iowa and Wisconsin as basically tied with Wisconsin slightly ahead if anything. Probably they need to be in their own tier with only them in after tier 2 and before the next tier starting with Maryland.

[@user-ji5ez7ru9s]

Maryland will finish above Iowa for the reasons that you mentioned, no longer pinned against the dominant east.. and UW will still beat USC and finish in the 5 spot.. possibly even the 4 spot if Penn St doesn’t find a passing offense.. don’t be shocked if they beat Michigan in the rematch too! Realistically the top 3 in the B1G could be OSU, Oregon, UW

[@ronanethann]

Yeah right 😂

[@user-fb4qj6kr2e]

Doesn’t even know Iowa hired an OC.

[@alex__zander]

Even with the possibility of Chip Kelly leaving UCLA I don't think that Purdue or Minnesota have been better programs over the last 3 years or currently are better progams than UCLA. Both Purdue and Minnesota have benefited greatly from being in the B1G west and I think their overall records are going to take a hit with the addition of the PAC-12 teams along with not being able to hide behind divisions to avoid playing the B1G's three headed monster of Michigan, OSU, PSU. Minnesota seems to be regressing after PJ Fleck initially was able to breath new life into the program and Purdue lossing Jeff Brohm I think is a much bigger blow to their program than UCLA lossing Chip Kelly.

[@ronaldreagan6756]

UCLA hasn't recruited well at all and this year is a disaster.... they lost Chip to tosu today so I see ucla down in the bottom 3 for awhile...

[@fpanadero2626]

Michigan *

[@Zoom-47]

Don’t forget to add champions to that

[@henrybest78]

Underestimating value of MSU financial resources

[@efg1311]

From an SC fan: this is fair. I do think we can be at the top of the list with the right leadership and a little more investment in NIL. Our NIL game is actually kind of sad which is why the Oregon Phil Knights, I mean Ducks, is kicking our ass in recruiting

[@alta58043]

Haha classic U$C fan. Been buying players for years (Reggie Bush) and now that its legal you're in the the corner curled up rocking back and forth crying.

[@Waggy53]

​@@alta58043Congrats on the dumbest comment of the day.🎉 USC never paid Reggie. The violation was for a sports agent to represent him in the NFL post college. It was an institutional control issue, not because USC paid anyone. That's an easy Google search. Stop commenting before doing research! 😂😂😂

[@TOTS5955]

USC fans just can’t fathom that players want to play at Oregon more than USC😭

[@zoam7881]

The average NIL for Oregon's 2024 class is $92k. Compare that to Texas with $225k average with the #6 class. Must be PK money, right?

[@avs9800]

Don’t play yourself How many recruit’s have been flipped last second by Whoregon You guys would be Oregon St with out Phil’s money and shady dealings

[@bryanmcdermott4204]

Maryland should be above Iowa IMHO.

[@Stewstories]

I 100% agree, I never paid attention to them because I didn’t realize how good they were but they are pretty consistent getting 8 wins or higher.

[@derekchapin5867]

Good list / But Wisconsin should be tier 3. Their winning percentage and record over the last 25 years is top ten for all college programs. They have a winning bowl record over that time - unlike Penn State and Iowa. Yeah they were down the last few years, But have been consistently more competitive than Penn State / USC / Washington and Iowa for some time. They also hold the current NCAA record for most consecutive seasons with bowl eligibility. Not saying they should be above Penn State or USC.. or even Washington historically. Either the same or their own tier - And no way are they a Tier below Iowa. Thats just not right. Otherwise the list is fantastic.

[@lololol425]

Maryland ahead of Nebraska?!?!

[@fruitbythefoote]

I mean, Maryland has won 3 bowl games in a row and has been steadily rising in recruiting rankings as well as grabbing some solid replacements in the portal. I think Nebraska still has something to prove on the field before they get any more love.

[@gopelty7197]

Ah yea lmao 3 bowl wins 2 8 win seasons over the last 3 years to nebraskas 0 bowl appearences not only that add maryland defeated nebraska at nebraska this past season its not an all time value he based it off passed 3 years and potentail for the future

[@johnnybeef1]

tOSU alumnus here and diehard. Would def move oregon to the current 2 hole and then flip a coin between PSU amd SCUM altho i slightly lean towards Penn St at 3. The ONLY reason why i didnt is bc they hired Wink today and thats huuuuuge. I would also move wisconsin to 6 and maybe move washington to 8 after losing deboer. Im not sold on the guy from Zona yet. The rest feels right but its strange to see NW and Indiana at the bottom as theyve seen some success over the last 4 years whereas Purdue, rutgers and ILL havent. Mzybe Id drop Illinois to the bottom and put Rutgers on a tier w Maryland and Nebraska. I like what schianno did last year w rutgers. Nebraska and Sparty could be a stock to buy into along w wisconsin.

[@smhshane8265]

Of course you would you clown

[@box3y]

I’m not expecting Michigan State to be tier 1. Heck, we’re a decent rebuild away from Tiers 2 or 3. It’s been rocky, I get it. Lot of chaos. But good god. Thinking we’re lower than Maryland and Nebraska is a pretty sobering thought.

[@box3y]

If I’m a Northwestern fan, I’m jumping into Lake Michigan. Lower than Illinois? In what world?

[@2528drevas]

Nebraska has out recruited the rest of the Big Ten West consistently for years now, if in fact "it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's" that matter and Matt Rhule is the guy, then they easily rank ahead of at least the rest of the former Big Ten West teams. Wons and losses ALONE seem like a lazy metric to hang the rankings on. So much more should go into "Power Rankings."

[@throgmortonartstudio2402]

I would have probably put Rutgers in front of MSU at least. Rutgers hasn't been a winning program but they are getting better under Greg Schiano.

[@Xoltris]

Based on everything said about Michigan on this show recently, they should be in tier2 with Penn State. They’ve lost key coaches and the AD isn’t very good. Yes they’ve lost key players, many teams have, but you can’t call it the same program when there’s this much staff turnover

[@user-hu5kb1rt5y]

It's all about Michigan Go Blue

[@Zoom-47]

🏆〽️✌🏽

[@TMats100]

Seems legit

[@jonnyw2323]

Northwestern just beat Utah in the bowl game lol. They should be 11th.

[@shanefrederick7731]

Why 3 years and not 4 years? 4 years makes sense more than 3 does (coach has a full class enter and leave).

[@jsandman32]

Perfect, no notes.

[@tycesumerall8718]

Jason pate tell your Ohio state friends I said hello😂

[@kentmilbrandt3989]

Nice theory but not worth listening to. All seasons are affected by injury. The amount of money affects positions, but coaches can make a big difference. Amount of TV hype to a program is responsible for recruiting. Alabama, Ohio state, Michigan are schools that have benefited by talking head promoting these schools.

[@SinginRabbit]

After seeing where Nebraska landed, I'm instantly going to scroll the comments to see the Iowa fans throwing a fit because we're rated too close to them.

[@whocares-ej2cl]

Three time defending big 10 champs defending national champ. Nuff said

[@mattm402]

with a gutted staff.

[@Jmay51]

He’s not wrong about #1. That’s why what Harbaugh did was special.

[@TwilightsDreamAngel]

a combination of 44 seniors that were hold over covid guys 23 year olds vs 19 and 20 year olds, cheating and solid assistant coaches was the prefect formula

[@kidsnsideme]

michigan is losing everyone while oregon is building up. dont understand why anyone would think they are the better team. i get it they won the natty. but we are talking about 2024, not 2023

[@1870dav]

Everyone doesn't include Grant, Loveland, Graham, Johnson, Edwards, Moore, etc...

[@timoaks3732]

Lol oh Josh. I can't fault you too much for not having done any homework on Maryland, but Josh Pate says: "They’ve been the ones capable of winning the West, but they've been parked in the East". Well let's just fact check that shall we. Oh look, Maryland's last win against a West opponent that finished with a winning record came on 9/22/18 in a 42-13 home win over Minnesota (finished 7-6). Maryland is 5-10 against the West since 2018, not counting the Covid year, and 6-11, if we do...........that doesn’t scream "oh the East is holding them back, theyd be CONTENDERS in the West." Lol But I forgive you. 😉

[@jacklasson4299]

I know you’re just trying to be objective but Coach Cignetti is gonna make you eat your words on Indiana sir.

[@crazymonky256]

Sure 😂 😂 😂

[@sc100ott]

I have no doubt he’s a good coach, but who is Indiana going to climb over? Even if Indiana rises, other programs will need to fall considerably for Indiana to get just into middle-of-the-pack status.

[@sc100ott]

Programs trending up: Oregon, Wisconsin, Nebraska, MSU, possibly Indiana. Programs trending down: Michigan, Washington, Iowa, Minnesota, UCLA, probably Purdue. I’m counting 8, probably 9, schools who will have a coach in their 1st or 2nd season this year. It will be interesting to see who rises or falls from the middle of the pack in the next 2-3 years.

[@jacklasson4299]

@@sc100ott In terms of resources being put into the program, our current AD has put more into this program since firing Allen than any other AD IU has had. Money comparable to or better than any of the other lower tier schools (IL, PU, Minnesota, Rutgers, NW, Maryland and UCLA). IU is never going to move into tier one or two status, but acting like they are miles behind the lower tier of the big ten in terms of financial resources because they've been the worst program since 2021 is conflating coaching issues with program issues. IMO Cignetti would not have put a nearly perfect HC resume (0 losing seasons in over a decade as an HC) if he thought he wouldn't be given the financial resources to compete with even the bottom of the conference.

[@jason2174]

Just change the conference name to the continental conference and be done with it.

[@Zoetropeification]

Agree with your tiers 1 thru 4 except would drop Iowa behind Badgers and Terps.Tiers 5 and 6 don't matter and probably won't during the next three years. 🙂

[@user-fb4qj6kr2e]

Iowa beat Wisconsin two of the last three years and has kicked the shit out of Maryland since the terps have joined the league. Josh failed to mention that Maryland has struggled against big ten west teams.

[@robertthompson5318]

TTUN cheated for how long? 3 years they say; fact and checkmate

[@Alex-zs3kn]

How is Nebraska, a program that hasn't made a bowl since Obama was president and has the longest P5 bowlless streak in the country, at 10???

[@Printerman62]

Yes, thank you.

[@dubswilland]

how is washington ahead of iowa 😂 lets see week 4 as we crush them

[@user-nx6sb3zt8p]

UW has the better record over the past 3 years (29-11 v. 28-13) and just played in the Natty. On what basis would you put Iowa ahead??

[@dubswilland]

@@user-nx6sb3zt8p the fact that Washington is loosing all their elite players like tcu last year

[@jasonbautista8717]

Yeah, we're losing a lot of talent, but that's what happens when you're #2 in the nation. We will have no problem replacing them. Maybe if you could muster more than 2 TD's a game, you'd get more respect. We're just another program you're gonna have to look up to every year, get used to it...

[@jimedick9496]

This isn’t about this season. This is about the best B1G programs. Look at the last collective 10 years. Even the last 25 years. Washington is the better program when compared to Iowa. Even if Iowa trounces Washington this season, Washington is still had the better program. Has Iowa ever played in a conference championship game? Have they ever made the playoffs? Have they ever played in a national title game? Washington can say yes to all these questions, Iowa can’t. Hence the reason why UW is the better program.

[@dubswilland]

@@jimedick9496 we played in 2 conference championships in the last 3 years I don't think Washington has

[@ajsouthward961]

Cmon man at some point OSU has to earn it on the field they get hyped every preseason. Michigan deserves that Number 1 spot 3 straight Big10 titles and a National championship returning a star loaded defense

[@kevinnicholson2335]

I’m not crazy about Tier 5 placements. Clearly love for coaching staff is a huge factor otherwise Nebraska and MSU would and should be lower.

[@jarretthoogerhyde1633]

Nah MSU has a big alumni base and a lot of resources. Solid program. It just needs the right coach.