Josh Pate's MOST Overrated & Underrated Teams - Part 2 (Late Kick Cut)

[@jonathanplehn6198]

The reason BYU is an anomaly when you compare win-loss results to recruiting rankings is that they have a high degree of “legacy kids”. Many of their recruits didn’t play the recruiting game and do the camp circuit to get recognized, because they knew they were always going to BYU (because they are Mormons and/or they’re sons or nephews of former BYU players…BYU’s roster has a lot of those). So they tend to be underrated when it comes to recruiting stars. To add to that, Coach Sitake has a specific and intentional philosophy to recruit potential/talent over performance/stats and develop the talent. Look at Zach Wilson, 3 star QB who became #2 overall draft pick, and Tyler Allgeier who had no other offers and turned into a Rd 4 RB draftee who may end up starting for the Falcons at some point this year.

[@cameronheelis3486]

You’re right . It’s why BYU’s underrated not overrated basically every year

[@cameronheelis3486]

BYU is extremely underrated at 25 instead of overrated . People look way too much at recruiting ratings . BYU’s proven to develop players with the best of them .

[@thattimestampguy]

1:05 Ex. Wake Forest [No Sam Hartman] vs Tennessee -11.5 3:05 Oregon is Overrated 3:35 Auburn is Underrated 6:04 Bringham Young is Overrated 7:22 Pitt is Overrated AP likes Pitt, JP likes Tennessee in Week 2

[@fetaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Goated

[@ryanmcarthur7407]

Anyone with a brain would take Vols over Pitt. Hell the Vols should of won last year but we didn't oh well. Pitt lost too many play makers to even come close to winning this game this year

[@miguelramirez2713]

I'd been saying for years. There are too many programs now that compete at a decent level. We should expand the AP rankings to 30. There are so many positive reasons why but just to name one. More ranked teams mean more games that matter and that is what fans want!

[@briandavis4580]

Many people in every fan base this time of year- “Nobody believes in us! The media are biased against us/don’t know anything about our program! The lack of respect is staggering!”

[@dcaporizzo]

Hey Josh. Just found your videos. Do you only play CFB????? By the way, great set, great voice, great videos. Better than ESPN. Is there any way I contact you??

[@Tony-mr1iv]

I can understand why people don’t have Tennessee ranked. Honestly I’m fine with it as well, I don’t mind not being ranked ever, our schedule is tough enough every year to go from rank 100 to rank 1 if we win out. So I don’t really see the difference. We definitely are better than some of the teams ranked ahead of us though

[@tankj1346]

I think they're an 8-4 team, which would be a good year for them

[@joshuawhite7515]

@@tankj1346 S a Tennessee fan I’d fake 8-4 and be belly with that this season lol .

[@joshuawhite7515]

@@tankj1346 but I don’t want to lose to Pitt, Florida, Kentucky or South Carolina

[@ryanclayton5473]

Tennessee should be about number 15-20 in my opinion with that offense. If they improve their defense would say top 10

[@tankj1346]

I disagree, good teams figure out their offense and the defense didn't do enough to get much better IMO

[@ryanclayton5473]

@@tankj1346 well history shows that nobody has figured out Heupels offense yet at any stops he's made. You are listening to people talk when you say good teams figure out their offense. Tennessee will probably be top 5 this season in the entire country on offense. Look at what they are doing on defense. Especially with depth, which was their main problem last year.

[@joshuawhite7515]

@@tankj1346 how do you know their defense “didn’t do enough” do get better? Have you been watching all the practices? Have you been there for the scrimmages? Nope. You’re a clown lol.

[@Biffs_R_Us]

@@tankj1346 that is objectively wrong. No one has figured out heupels offense yet. It's one thing to try and analyze it but it's incredibly hard to play against it on the field

[@tankj1346]

@@Biffs_R_Us from the final scores of good defenses Tennessee played, they figured it out

[@academyofchampions1]

Josh Pate keeping it straight! Great segment

[@adamcarrell2824]

You do a great job JP!

[@Soadsgotaload]

As an Oregon fan think we’re overrated quite often. Never bought into our hype last year especially seeing our QB regress throughout the year after Ohio St. Hoping Dan Lenning can raise us to the early 2010 standards again.

[@mikesupthn18]

Clay looking forward to watching the mighty Oregon Ducks play my little Georgia porch puppies September Third. You mentioned your new head coach, remember the Dawg nation had him for a few years, now you got him and he will not fail to get ya back to where you want to be.

[@davidnewcomb2431]

I trust the JP poll cause JP EATS SLEEPS BREATHS college football!! Those other pundits are useless!!

[@Tijuanabill]

Hi, Josh. Mixing it up from the usual biceps comments on your burner account?

[@25darkalchemist]

We love Josh Pate and his Meemaw in Tennessee.

[@seanmacpherson9307]

The JP Poll is just an SEC propaganda machine lol

[@philosopherhobbs]

I love the way you think about rankings. Keep it up!

[@tmtSHD]

I was wrong about BYU vs. Baylor. BYU is underrated and they are known for developing players including the least recruited.

[@brettlarsen6111]

You should compare yourself to the espn fpi, it would be interesting to see what the differences there are. I'm pretty sure the AP is just hype rankings, not really who would beat who.

[@calebskinner5317]

Ohio State is not on par with Alabama?? How's that?

[@jamessaibot5681]

How high were the vols rated in your model

[@tjlift22]

15

[@raleighsanford5111]

I think the general expectation on Auburn in 2022 is pretty low. Auburn grads, boosters, fans, and SEC fans probably have high expectations, but it the gamblers across the country are betting the O/U at 6 wins, then most of America has low expectations for Auburn. Now, consider that Auburn hosts Mercer, San Jose State, and Western Kentucky, then the line to bet is Auburn finishing 3-6 against P5 schools, 5 of which are at Auburn. That seems like pretty low expectations.

[@michaelvibritannia]

Need a JP poll in ncaa 24😂

[@ryanclayton5473]

Michigan being in the top 15 is a joke. Did people not watch them play Georgia last year? All those all conference and that all American they had looked like highschool players against Georgia

[@lakewhite9416]

So because we lost to the national champs we don’t deserve to be top 15?

[@nickamorand3504]

where is south carolina in the jp power rankin

[@dcaporizzo]

How much does your pre season ranking effect your week 3 and there on rankings?? For example an AP 23 ranked team who plays in Pac10 or ACC is 8 and 0. They played no1 good. Maybe they played one good team at home at night in a good spot and bad spot for the visitor team and caught them. By week 9 this team will be in the top 10 or just outside it and knocking on the door. 100 percent. Bc eveey team ahead of them will most likely have 1-2 losses. But in reality this team should never have jumped up abs maybe shouldn't have been in my top 25 to begin with. If this same team was pre season ranked 10, tbey would be in the top 4!!! This same team if they were pre season AP out of the 25 and realistically labeled like the 60th best team in the country. A true sleeper. They would be like ranked 17th or worse by week 9 week 10. If someone does this for a living than they I don't get how the pre season aren't completely scrapped by week 7. Clearly you keep it in your head as a minor tool but maybe I'm also missing soemthing. But I re group weekly. I would love to stay in touch Bc it's so hard to find people with valid reasons and actually do this to survive. I've tried to put together teams and find peiole and everyone says this and that but it doesn't take long to realize they don't know Jack shit and read/watch too much sports media and stuff. That's why I'm really happy I found this page. You always need people who know stuff even if you are an opposing team if they have valid reasoning but we all know only 1 Percent can do it and the entire world wants to be a handicapper now so it's hard. And bravo to you for not promoting sales daily down watchers throats selling picks. Those fly by night SCAMDICAPPERS are ruining this industry but without them we won't get holes in the lines Bc so many idiots buy pics from dumb people abs bet those terrible spots. But anyway I'm rambling Bc I'm nervous and excited for 9/3/22. I took the last 6 mknths off thankfully I was able to focus on other parts of my life abs learned the hard way many times that once CBB season ends and NHL season....... I need to enjoy the fruit of my labor and just work on other things and clear my mind of sports Bc once summer ends I will be back to the daily non stop roller coaster grind for 6 months. LFG!!!!!!!!!!

[@ogsheriff9360]

In other words they use the college football revamped game as their model

[@Tijuanabill]

The Sooners are under rated, but I understand. People don't care about the talent that is on the team, they only see what left and a new staff, so they take the lazy prediction without looking at the roster, the transfers in, and the staff.

[@fhdhhghbkn3759]

Offense is trash and they have a head coach, that has never been a head coach before in his life. Yeah, you're going 5-7.

[@heatherphillips5983]

Enjoy the Big 12, because when they get to the SEC, they'll he a second tier team, for a long time, until they figure out what a defense is.

[@Tijuanabill]

@@heatherphillips5983 Ah we found the casual, who thinks logos play these games, that never change, rather than individuals who make up a different roster every year. We just hired the undisputed best defensive mind in college football, who was widely viewed as not only the best coordinator, but also the one who made the biggest impact on his school. Even with last year's transfers, our blue chip ratio is higher than last year, 4th in the country. And a huge number of the transfers in, were on defense and they all have game experience. Furthermore, our defensive roster has always been great, all this time. It's just been bad coaching, bad development and bad strength and conditioning. You can think OUs defense will be the same as last year. It's a free country. But you won't think that at the end of the year, friend. Also, since you haven't been keeping up it seems, last year the Big 12 was the best defensive league. It's not 10 teams all running the spread anymore. Times change. Coaches change. Systems get figured out. New systems are created. Change is the only constant in college football.

[@Tijuanabill]

@@fhdhhghbkn3759 So nothing about his history of coaching is relevant, because this is just so different being a HC vs a coordinator? The dude coached in 8 of the last 20 national championship games. TBOW was never a head coach before OU, is that what you said then, that we would go 5-7? Bob Stoops had never been a head coach before. Barry Switzer had never been a head coach before. Bud Wilkinson...first time head coach just a couple years before setting the most unbreakable record in sports, the 47 game win streak. Also Bennie Owen, the dude our playing surface is named after, first time HC. Most new coaching staffs have to rebuild the program, because the last guy lost and got fired. We were among the favorites to make the playoff going in to last year. Now, our roster is improved, as a mathematical fact, and we have a guy that can run a defense. I don't see a set back for us, for ND, or for Oregon, to name the other new HCs taking over for winning programs. Are we going to flip the switch, and become the new Alabama in year one of BV? No, of course not. It will take 2-3 years before Saban retires. 🤣🤣

[@hs7314]

@@heatherphillips5983 not an Oklahoma fan by any means but OU should easily jump half the SEC immediately off talent alone, the ole miss’s MSST’s, Arkansas’s, vandy’s, currently Florida, etc aren’t exactly juggernauts. Name the last program in the SEC that’s dropped 48 on UGA. Oklahoma will only really take a backseat to Bama, UGA, and possibly a resurgent LSU program and even that’s debatable. I get it you have to D ride your entire conference to feel better about your individual program, but the only two that are above OU right now are Bama and UGA. OU easily wins 9-10 games in that conference by default most years.

[@Sean180morris]

Your model is crazy 😂

[@michaeldavis2966]

Auburn just lost to Houston (who you did not include in your top 25) and Mississippi State just got run over by Texas Tech (34-7) and yet both teams are top 25 teams. But no, the SEC bias is a myth.

[@hogfan2065]

New season. SEC bias is a myth

[@michaeldavis2966]

@@hogfan2065 Yeah but games matter and that is the most recent data we have. The players are mostly the same. Ignoring the games in favor of a narrative is the definition of SEC bias

[@hogfan2065]

@@michaeldavis2966 take a team like Arkansas. We were a top 15 team last year but bc of our 4 sec losses we were ranked outside the top 20. If we played in any other conference we would’ve been ranked top 10. Cincinnati was not that good last year yet made the cfp bc they had an easy schedule only to get blown out by Bama. Point is there may be some instances where being in the sec helps you, but there are also instances where it hurts you

[@michaeldavis2966]

@@hogfan2065 Arkansas was a good team last year but they weren't great. The SEC has a couple great teams (Alabama, Georgia and sometimes LSU) that are miles ahead of the rest, and the other SEC teams are good just like in the other P5 conferences have good teams. The SEC went 6-8 in bowl season and 13-10 against other P5 conferences in 2021 (including the bowls). That is pretty close to average.

[@michaeldavis2966]

@@hogfan2065 And I don't mean to be that guy that attacks the SEC because I will admit it's the best conference I just don't think the gap is that big when you look outside of Alabama and Georgia. My original point was that it takes an incredible amount of hubris to take a 7-6 MSU with it's most recent loss being a massive blowout to Texas Tech and a 6-7 Auburn (and say on air that you think they could easily be 6-6 again) with it's most recent loss to Houston, and say those are top 25 teams.

[@manwholaughs2477]

It’s funny how people pretend that everything is equal. Like ole miss would win the acc if they played Clemson schedule. Other way around Clemson looses 3 games minimum

[@MikeJones-js5bt]

It’s still Oregon

[@McMasher]

You people from the south want Tennessee to be back so bad.

[@brodyabel7300]

Hahaha HOWS THAT PENN STATE RANKING LOOKING???????

[@JoshPateCFB]

uhh the same?

[@smp1965nc]

Overrated - Arkansas, Auburn, LSU (see a trend)

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

What has Tennessee done?

[@tjlift22]

I guess beating SC KY should’ve beat ole miss and Pitt last year and Purdue on a couple of bad penalties. Should’ve been 10-3 is nothing. Getting back most of there starting and adding both sides to the ball is nothing

[@tankj1346]

@@tjlift22 if they go 8-4 this year that would be good for them. I don't think they'll be much better on defense, they didn't do much to improve that side of the ball. Good teams also figured out their offense and shut them down last season. They'll lose to the teams they're supposed to and beat the teams they're supposed to. But they could also go 6-6 with losses to bama, UGA, LSU, Florida, South Carolina and Pitt. We'll have to see

[@tjlift22]

@@tankj1346 and they could go 10-2

[@tankj1346]

@@tjlift22 I don't think so. They'll lose to bama UGA and Florida (per usual) for sure. Most likely lose to LSU in death valley to and South Carolina will be tough on the road, Pitt on the road and they have a lot of the ACC championship team coming back. 8-4 is my pick which is good for them

[@tjlift22]

@@tankj1346 I’ll take 8-4 with a bowl win

[@Wetrockstah2116]

My man Pate gonna look like a fool when Tennessee goes 7-6 again lol

[@TheSpaniard]

Or you when they go 9-4. 😂 Honestly it's a tossup though. 7-9 wins are all a tossup.

[@25darkalchemist]

They went 11-2. Joke's on you, bud

[@dr.lumpypants3530]

Currently I’ll say that jp is better than ap, because you have more information that goes in, but I can see holes are going to pop up later in your rankings. You’re rankings will not take into account team morale. You would expect an auburn that is 4-8 to beat a 10-2 nc state.

[@dr.lumpypants3530]

Y’all look at freshman and think. “Yeah they’re gonna make an impact this year” for your rankings. When they’re not starting this year.