Joshua in Kingdom Hearts vs. Joshua in TWEWY

[@1101huD]

Awe hell naw he put beat in the microwave

[@markmayonnaise1163]

lmao

[@thezard7013]

the way they start spinning I can't 😂

[@alex.s5300]

Nah this comment is too good

[@MrCh0o]

I- what

[@yamatanoorochi3149]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DyxoXinoro]

I love how his "people are defined by their bonds" speech in DDD is the logical opposite of his "Everyone exists in the garden of their mind" speech in TWEWY.

[@TheSCPStudio]

This is why idiots confuse retconning with introducing new plot points that further a character. The person he is in DDD clearly lost everything. His entire world. Except his friends. His bonds. He redefined who he was because of his loss. A lot of people in this world could do with that mentality to be honest. Learning to redefine things based on newer information rather than remaining stuck on old information and expecting new things to relate to it.

[@ethansolorzano5989]

@@TheSCPStudio sooo this version of Joshua is another Joshua from another timeline where they lost everything in week 1 so Joshua gave them salvage in this world being traverse town

[@Julian-um2om]

@@ethansolorzano5989 I saw it as a different timeline where josh went through with erasing shibuya, regretted it, and gathered the main crews soul to bring them to a new world

[@Pocket-Calculator]

Not entirely. The idea behind TWEWY is that everyone is unique and the interactions between people cause friction. That friction, when ideas and persons meet, interact and clash with each other, is what makes them grow. Hence why Joshua says "only by allowing strangers in we can find new ways to be ourselves." In TWEWY the bonds are just as important.

[@0axis771]

@@Pocket-Calculator That's the entire reason why Shibuya's Reaper Game is meant to be a two-man partnership where people do their best to win. You have to work together to win. You have to trust your partner. You have to open up your world to others. Because in the game, your lives are bound together.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

This could actually be canon because JOSHUAS FROM OTHER TIMELINES HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES according to the extra episode of the og game

[@Kafka_Garezerra]

Yes, and they know each other, so probably the dreams in the KH world are the dreams TWEWY Joshua took from Rhyme as her entry fee

[@allenharper2928]

That's a good point. Also, characters are similar in KH to their main game counterparts, but not exactly so. The very best example I can give is... Donald Duck. Outside of KH, he was always a bit of a rival with Mickey. He tried to upstage him every chance he could- 🎶Mickey Mouse! (Donald Duck!) Mickey Mouse! (Donald Duck!)🎶 And his temper was a LOT more volatile. In KH, he still has a temper, true, but it's toned down quite a bit. The biggest tell however is his attitude towards Mickey... He is INCREDIBLY loyal to King Mickey, like, take a bullet for him loyal, and shows not a single sign of envy towards him.

[@apalletspallet8131]

if youre talking about new day, then that wasnt really joshua. that was coco changing him so that he wouldnt get in her way. if you mean a different day (i think its called?) then their personalities werent that different- actually, it was implied that nothing really changed, as the two joshuas knew each other

[@apalletspallet8131]

im p sure josh just went through a character arc in KH lmao

[@katjohannessen6009]

josh fight 2021 but its with all the different joshuas from different universes

[@maxtergamer9091]

Joshua's leave on DDD: I did this because I care about all of you, also I have wings and won't be helping you any further. Joshua as the events of NEO TWEWY start: Huh, imminent death for the whole city, better grab my popcorn. The KING of helping once then leaving.

[@Salotl]

True, but consider this: Everyone in the original cast just *happened* to be out of town when the Inversion was supposed to happen? I like to think Joshua made sure they were out of harms way, since he couldn’t do much else.

[@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475]

@@Salotl nah he did say that he would help if things got “too far” (if everyone dying twice wasn’t enough) he might’ve just foreseen rindo’s victory or something and knew that in the end it would work without him doing much.

[@maxtergamer9091]

@@Salotl (huge NEO Spoilers warning) Only person he helped was Neku, by trapping him on the already erased city of Shinjuku for a LONG time. Shiki was just living her fame outside on her own way, Rhyme was in the city and Beat too, and both of them had to do their part. Doesn't mean he didn't help later though, so you're right that he did a lot. In the first game, he was betting that Shibuya didn't deserve to be saved, but was proven wrong. In NEO he made a bet against Shinjuku's composer that Rindo would surprise him, pushing that angel to give him a chance, and it worked. And before the final battle, Joshua showed up to show Neku he "supported" him, but the secret logs reveal Joshua lent him a LOT of strength for that final stretch. Thinking deeply about it, Joshua is a jerk in person, but he did care and helped a lot in the back.

[@harmless9336]

I think he also wanted the people of shibuya to solve the problems of shibuya. From the start he could just nuke every problem that shows up but what would anyone learn from that?

[@Pocket-Calculator]

Didn't he choose Rindo as his proxy?

[@omegazero5884]

It's heavily implied(at least I think it is.) that DDD Joshua fucked up in some way and ruined the Shibuya his friends fought him over or that during the final week Shibuya was consumed by darkness and Joshua couldn't do anything about it. So instead of being an ass to his friends he's softer sure he could be his usual self but he'd be a hypocrite. It's in the way he talks about Rhyme or the way he talks to Neku where in which Joshua seems almost ashamed or upset with himself and Neku can't help but feel like he's looking in a mirrior.

[@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney]

That sounds very fucked up. So you’re saying that DDD Joshua existed in a world where Shibuya was destroyed during the final week, realizes his error, and spirals into depression. *What. The. Fuck.*

[@servantbyday]

This could be a whole video all on its own.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

​@@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney Welcome to Kingdom Hearts. Where even if you don't die, you're still left with emotional and mental scars for the rest of your days.

[@TheAzulmagia]

*DDD Joshua:* Portals are like gateways that link up our worlds. Apparently, the world you and I are standing in right now-- well, there are two copies of it. It's been sort of split in half. Portals are what let folks like us cross between them. *TWEWY Joshua:* So anyway, I started blasting.

[@creativecutieprincessd]

I was so surprised by how different Joshua was in the original game compered to DDD. That game introduced me to TWEWY cast and I finally got into it late last year. Joshua has become my favorite character regardless seriously this boy is awesome.

[@sunayama4650]

I absolutely can't stand Joshua. I hate how much I love him. 😂

[@gracekim1998]

I mean 3D Joshua isn’t TWEWY Joshua but we know he’s still an Angel and all knowing

[@FallenDemonFly]

@@gracekim1998 Actually after listening to Neku and the like talk about Josh, it becomes clear that it is the same one. He just had his reasons to act this way in TWEWY. (The Entire Angel Bureaucracy is Complicated) that is even written in the Guide book's for NEO and OG TWEWY

[@ethansolorzano5989]

Too be fair the version of Joshua from DDD, isn’t the same one from the canonical games, he’s from a different timeline

[@ghosthuntermike2592]

"Thanks for killing my high, man."

[@sunayama4650]

To be fair, DDD Joshua holds the same sentiment that I believe Joshua would have after TWEWY. That being said, no amount of brainwashing, no magical stone of wisdom, nor insight from any god can convince me that Joshua wouldn't still be a massive, sassy prick regardless of his character development.

[@PrincessOzaline]

I mean the arrogance and sass still come out, but he's kinda depressed. "Well I am sorta omniscient."

[@The_Evening_Sun]

Because he still is a massive sassy prick with his character development as shown by NEO.

[@thenagito]

DDD still makes me go "Joshua you MOTHERFU--" It's just said with a little less hostility and a little more how dare you.

[@Konpekikaminari]

they're so different I'm suspecting Nomura didn't want to give even an inch of the real Joshua to those who don't know him keep the man a surprise

[@LilypadPanda]

TWEWY Joshua: *Shoots Neku* "Hippity Hoppity you are now Composer property." DDD Joshua: "Hippity Hoppity Heartless took the fUCKING KIDS-"

[@trev9000]

Mr. H : Trust your partner. Neku : You lied to me?! Literally Jesus: Yea, and I'm surprised how easy it was.

[@thegaminginkling6470]

Me before playing TWEWY: “Oh, he must be their guardian angel or something.” Me after playing TWEWY: “You evil little shit...!”

[@ninjasonic2270]

The TWEWY segment with the music timing is amazing. Thank you for that brilliant editing

[@doublea4236]

DDD was my introduction to TWEWY , I was wondering why his was such a A-hole. The plot twist REALLY GOT ME

[@TheSCPStudio]

I can't believe this is so hard to understand. He's nicer now because he lost his whole world. He has a true perspective of what it's like to have nothing and be lost. He's grateful for the help and is probably relieved that Sora and Riku are capable world savers lmao.

[@Sheik-yo9fj]

This is actually a good point.

[@addictofanimation2923]

I still wonder why they made him so nice in DDD. I'd love for DDD Joshua and TWEWY Joshua to meet. The TWEWY gang would have a conniption if they met their DDD counterparts. Neku already freaked out at the second Joshua before but he'd have a heart attack at meeting a nice Joshua. Not to mention that TWEWY Joshua is left alone at the end of his game while DDD Joshua walks away with six new friends (including Sora and Riku). Putting the speed at 0.25x speed makes the second half sound cursed. The sounds like something you'd find out of a horror game.

[@Thesuperduperbooster]

Tbf in Neo TWEWY, Joshua seems to be a bit more accepted by the gang

[@addictofanimation2923]

@@Thesuperduperbooster That's good to know. I haven't played the game yet but I already had it spoiled for me by the internet. I'm looking forward to it even more now.

[@Overground17]

I'm sure most of his smugness comes from the fact that he had originally planned to erase Shibuya, but had a change of heart when Neku refused to shoot him. Although I'm not sure from whence in the timeline the gang is pulled into during DDD (Or an alternate reality entirely, much like Another Day), but mainline Joshua definitely transcends timelines (Like when he sees himself in the room of reckoning), so it probably wouldn't matter regardless.

[@addictofanimation2923]

@@Overground17 I guess so.

[@nanie_czka123]

I'm pretty sure the DDD Joshua is post-TWEWY and because of that, post-character development. The added bonus of Shibuya falling to darkness in this universe is probably an another factor

[@lowhp_comic]

Shame that he wasn't sassy with Riku and Riku develops similar feelings of frustration to Neku 😅

[@michaelgamboa8458]

I think the main reason that Joshua seems completely different is in who he's currently sharing company with. Joshua maintains some degree of omnipotence and seems to know at least the cursory traits of Riku and Sora. He's more playful with Riku than he is with Sora because he knows that Riku has the mental capacity to be fucked with and the personality to be fun to fuck with. He wouldn't get the tiniest bit of resistance from Sora, bright as he is. He mostly just plays coy with them though, but that's because he knows their intentions are good and that they both are good people. Even with Riku he could probably tell that he exists on the path to light and has mostly left his darker personality behind. With Neku though, Joshua knows exactly what kind of person Neku is and by his own admission, Neku is who he thinks is the worst person in all of Shibuya. Most everything that Joshua does during the 2nd reaper game is done to either get under Neku's skin or test Neku. He wants Neku to falter, to show him the worst sides of himself so he can be even more justified in destroying Shibuya. That I think is the primary difference and I don't think it betrays his character at all. I think when he wants to be amicable, he can be, but I think dealing with Neku is a special case.

[@mariesalguero9795]

I kinda just assumed he somehow retained his character development and remembered everything from the first game unlike the others, still, his personality was heavily nerfed and it's a real shame. I would've love to see the real Joshua interacting with Sora and Riku.

[@servantbyday]

Who knows that might still happen

[@mariesalguero9795]

@@servantbyday Yeah.. Let's keep hoping 🥲

[@doggoadexx2680]

@@mariesalguero9795 there’s a reason for that DDD Joshua lost all of his friends. And now he’s recruited in traverse town.

[@metis7534]

The Japanese dub for DDD was insane. Hearing calling while Joshua suddenly appears before Riku with his chad Japanese voice was amazing.

[@notsosmartguy6254]

Honestly DDD feels more like what Imagine Joshua is post TWEWY.

[@sanashi27]

I think the KH events happened after TWEWY so he's already got character development and it's why he's nicer. I have seen many people say they played KH first and then got to TWEWY and were surprised at the big difference since they expected the nice Joshua to be there.

[@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475]

KH is just weird, why is shiki like the other girl? That should not be, unless it happened before and Joshua just chose violence this game

[@sanashi27]

@@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475 Maybe they just didn't wanna spoil her character arc in the main game. I mean it was a twist that Shiki's appearance belonged to her friend. They did the same for Another Day which was set in a different universe than the main game.

[@weridplusho]

@@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475 Another Day establishes that we Shiki in the way we expect to see her. This is mostly likely the case here since they're in a Game.

[@JustinKoenigSilica]

Actual spoiler: Joshua is only the physical Form of the composer in the RG and UG. He is in reality much older without a defined bodily Form. He exists as an angel / above angel just like Mr H (who is just an angel). The planes of existence are stacked on top of one another with higher frequencies the higher you go, higher frequency beings can see all lower frequency beings and realities. The composer is the highest of them all. Joshua's physical Form exists as him down - tuning his frequency to the RG. this severely limits his abilities though. What I mean to say: he's only nice Here for plot armor.

[@ShadowSaberBaroxio]

Riku: It can't be that simple! Joshua: ...What about what I said was simple?

[@Zadck1]

It's partly a localization thing to be fair. Japanese Joshua is already not the Joshua we're used to (ie look at the TWEWY anime). He's not quite as harsh, I suppose because a little harsh is already ruder within Japanese culture than American? KH seems to have used that take more. But even then yeah he's being way too nice XD 2:28 is my favorite because he's so clearly egging Neku on intentionally to make him see the point--yes truly understanding people is hard and even impossible, yes it's still worth trying. Perfect example of him being a jerk but there's a goal to help. Also subscribed because you make TWEWY vids and that's always an instant subscribe from me lol

[@heroicgangster9981]

Joshua has to find some way to be accepted into KH, make yourself seem like god to kids by speaking big words x3

[@lowhp_comic]

Or maybe since he knows that these two are outsiders to their world, maybe he can relax with his deliberate suspiciousness and be thankful for their contribution to saving his 'friends' souls, which at this point it feels clear that he does hold some sort of tsundere soft spot for Neku's gang by the ending of TWEWY and interactions in NEO!

[@madestmadhatter]

I mean, that scene is like post credits Joshua, when he's lamenting not being able to be with his friends, before that you got kinda a Joshua lite, where he is manipulating you but it's not as cruel as it was in TWEWY, because the nature of his manipulation has changed.

[@davestrides]

the supercut of joshua being terrible set to upbeat music is comedy gold 😭 thank you for putting this together

[@gabriellacoste6259]

What is the song in that scene?

[@the1whoplayz]

@@gabriellacoste6259 Dancer In The Street - The World Ends With You

[@firstlast]

prevent my wiki page from fading altogether and use the pieces of my dreams to make it whole again

[@Buffbuffrules]

I was so confused about Joshua in TWEWY because I had played DDD before watching TWEWY and I was like “Joshua how could you! Oh never mind he’s just misunderstood… WAIT WHAT?! You are the bad guy?! I’M SO CONFUSED! ARE YOU THE BAD GUY OR NOT JOSHUA!!!”

[@_ytnahs]

I hope Joshua appears in KH4 and with a little bit more of his TWEWY characterization.

[@ShoMinamimoto-oj4rc]

Meanwhile me: SO ZETTA ANNOYING!

[@hannahshetlar4359]

Wow I really liked Joshua in KH and thought "maybe I should try out TWEWY to see more of him". Good to know he's completely different in the original game 😅

[@TB26]

Honestly , I would rather stick with TWEWY Joshua. He keeps me entertained.

[@heavenlysadist]

And sometimes his jokes are too funny for me to handle 😂 Sure, he can be an asshole but his insults comeback to Neku is golden for me ✨✨

[@heliodixy9293]

WHY DID MY HEADPHONES CRASH WHEN THE TWEWY PART BEGUN QJFOQLDVFODLXL

[@longbobslobknob337]

The only experiences I have TWEWY is DDD and the TWEWY anime, in that order, my impressions are as follows: DDD: Joshua is a little weird but he’s a good boy TWEWY anime: this is a different character and he’s scaring me 😐

[@acehealer4212]

“You watch my behind, I’ll watch yours.” Hmm…

[@clenshin97]

The models rotating 😭

[@Aisubun]

Ik Kingdom Hearts crossover characters have always had divergent backgrounds from their source materials (i.e. the FF characters originally chilling in Radiant Garden) but it is REALLY funny to see Joshua be an almost entirely different person here. Part of it is probably just the younger age demographic though considering he still trolls Riku when he gets the chance lol

[@AlastorNahIdWinRadioDemon]

As someone who played TWEWY recently and just started Dream Drop, Joshua kind of gives me the feel of as if he developed a hit from the end of TWEWY. I haven't played much of Neo yet, so I can't say much on how Joshua acts there if he's in that(I'm presuming he is since Minaminoto and Neku are, but I could always be wrong), and how that compares to his DDD counterpart. All I really can say is with KH and TWEWY's multidimensional travel, this Joshua is somehow canon, but I feel like maybe something really bad happened between his depressed tone and how he talks about his friends and having tried to save them.

[@Box-Chan]

SO ZETTASLO- Wait he’s not in this video? I uh… force of habit

[@gingergamer3270]

I love the kh version of someday

[@skymaiden16]

Wish they kep sassy ass Joshua, he was so dreamy in TWEWY

[@FallenDemonFly]

SPOILER for NEO and TWEWY To be Fair to Him After reading the Guide Book's his Situation becomes far more Clear. As a Head Angel the Dude has to follow the rules, even if he Cares (He does) about Shibuya and Shinjuku. Haz on the other hands doesn't care either way and just intervened because of said Bureaucracy in NEO and MAYBE because he got SOME interest in the Mortals after meeting Rindo. Kubo was an Angel Outlier even for an Executioner wich forced Haz's Hand. Joshua did everything in his Power to Oppose and Change as much as he was allowed to do. DDD's Joshua is far Closer to Shibuya's Composer than TWEWY's because he had to act like that in the DG. The Fact many seem to forget: It was Joshuas wish at first to destroy Shibuya and it was KITANJIJI who was against it.

[@drlovec6925]

I don't mean or one sided with TWEWY cast, but I keep seeing folks say that Joshua too nice Hey man, if he and his dream fluid of friends came from a bad ending and they walk into another game because they had no other choice, I assume u had to be nice in order for u to readjust to your current predicament (whether it be friend, foe or just being a bystander in said world) u don't want the darkness to get rid of the only non sleeping world right? Since traverse town is a save point at this point P.s. I do feel like Joshua God like power got nerf in the kh world

[@Sennaton]

To be fair, everything Joshua did was to save Shibuya in the end. Even Killing Neku to allow him to win the Reaper's Game, proving Shibuya's worth. With Shibuya gone, as is assumed in Kingdom Hearts, he'd likely instead focus on saving the remaining pieces.(Neku and the gang.)

[@jacquelinereid6895]

Twewy Josh is the Josh I remember... Unfortunately. Jk, unless?

[@seanpaul3362]

To be fair even the FF characters acted slightly different from their original games.

[@leotoon1144]

Pretty sure DDD Joshua is the one that destroyed Shibuya in some different timeline or he lost the game with the conductor. That's why he's sounds depressed. Also in Neo: TWEWY Joshua is still a smug person. XD

[@sorma007]

1:43 Was that a Spongebob reference?! XD

[@gracekim1998]

Guys you’re aware 3D Joshua is a different version of him right?😂 of course he’s not as sassy but he IS still an Angel 😜 18.4.22

[@christopherredou9674]

Its funny i played ddd before twewy and was so confused

[@xxanglebadgirlxx]

JOSHUA SOUNDS LIKE A GIRL IN KH LMAOOO

[@aizakkukun4985]

WHY IS HE SO CHEESY IN KH?

[@kereminde]

Because Kingdom Hearts... is CHEESE.

[@lavenderrose82]

Well TWEWY was made in 2007 so maybe Square, Nomura, or whoevee decided to dial baxl Joshua's prissness, sassy, and snarky personality a bit than how it was before. Since from I've seen of him in the anime, is that he still has that snarky and sarcastic personality, but not exactly to the extent of the orginal. While DDD Joshua, mostly takes place the events of the first game, so Joshua's not as much as jerk, due to his development and Neku refusing to shoot him which he allowed him to agree to not destroy Shibuya. Neku and the others in DDD still believe their in the Reaper's Game, which explains why Shiki is still in her Eri's body. Whether DDD Joshua has any connection to how the TWEWY Joshua acts currently after the first game is up for debate. I have not seen how Joshua acts in NEO yet, I know he appears near the end but that's it. I hope there's at least an explanation on why he hasn't intervened yet in saving Shibuya. Can he not personally defy the executor, due to them being the same ranking? Maybe? What's he been doing this whole time?Maybe help bring Neku and the others back to Shibuya to help Rindo and his team? I better get an explanation by the end by of the game!

[@joelcolegrove]

What about Joshua in New Vegas?

[@jaushabakkas8127]

people forget that KH is part of disney

[@nunothedude]

I didnt know kh had a femboy

[@MentalistMillennium]

I love and hate this kaworu from twewy

[@swayitocarl]

Aint no way real ass Joshua gonna make it into the kid's game that is KH. They got a nicer, less offensive version of him. Twitter would cancel OG Joshua while they're being erased by him. If you played NEO, you can see that Joshua remained as schemey as ever, because he's the real one. He even says himself, he's not concerned about what happens to Shibuya anymore as he's leaving it up to the players to take care of the city. He can rebuild it if push comes to shove, with the flick of a wrist

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Wait is this a crossover game?

[@abdulaisiyoup3912]

Dream Drop Distance was a crossover between Kingdom Hearts and The World Ends With You

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

@@abdulaisiyoup3912 man I never knew that I just assumed it was a Kingdom hearts game

[@wingzofice]

That one world is the crossover, the entire game isn't one tho

[@the1whoplayz]

@@dissonanceparadiddle Just like with every other Kingdom Hearts game, there is a world which has characters from a different Square Enix JRPG Franchise.

[@krimsonkatt]

Joshua is Alvis, Alvis is Chaos, Chaos is Jesus. (TWEWY -> Xenoblade 1 -> Xenosaga -> Bible)

[@sorah2759]

um yeah ... maybe he's better in kh 3D ...

[@andrewjohnson1873]

Too much pausing is necessary! 👎

[@redblackjester]

ok 1. wtf thats not his voice, 2. Yeah let's just ignore the fact that in TWEWY he fucking tortured a kid just to win a bet and 3. unrealistic, joshua dont give a f about anythin lol

[@madestmadhatter]

Did you watch the post credit scene of the game?

[@night104]

That IS his voice

[@oneish7454]

That's his voice, he's been played by Aaron Spann ever since TWEWY. On a side note, it also happens to be Aaron Spann's natural speaking voice, he's naturally a tenor

[@the1whoplayz]

>"tortured a kid just to win a bet" heavily downplaying what that bet was lol.