Joy Division & In A Lonely Place

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@nodarkthings 9 ай бұрын

According to Hook's book there were a couple of other songs on the first album that began as Joy Division songs.

@stupidvideos1449 8 ай бұрын

Which songs?

@martynjones8560 Ай бұрын

I watched New Order in Birmingham in 1983 where they played Love Will Tear Us apart - I think it was the first time they played a Joy Division song, and the reaction from the crowd haunts me still - dancing and crying, and moving in total unity.

@Lisafer15 8 ай бұрын

Having epilepsy takes you into some very deep places most people only see it as uncontrollable shakes but believe me it's far more. I can understand Ian being driven to the edge by its control over you and even though having fits that have gone on for an hour sometimes led me to not wanting to leave the house there's a weird creative inspiration that comes from it to, it's almost a shamanic experience. I believe Ian was driven to leave a mark behind but couldn't take the daily routine of this unseen attack.

@patthewoodboy Жыл бұрын

I went to New Orders gig at Heaven .. I was standing next to the PA and the bass when they played "In a lonely place" will remain with me till I die

@mr.milehi9883 Жыл бұрын

1981 MOVEMENT is my favorite record from the new order. It has the remnants of Joy division. The beginnings of the next phase. I remember when rough trade records fell apart. I ran right out to get a copy of that CD before they were gone for a while. Hope you're doing better. Glad to see you back, simon.

@ThreadBomb 2 ай бұрын

I agree. Movement is effectively the final Joy Division album. There are certainly glimpses of where New Order would go, but most of the album is a direct evolution from Closer - and most of the songs are about dealing with Ian's death. (The bassline of the song 'ICB' quotes both the Joy Division song 'Dead Souls' and the Stooges song 'Now I wanna be your dog' - Iggy Pop was one of Ian's idols.)

@mr.milehi9883 2 ай бұрын

I didn't even realize that about Ian Curtis liking the stooges. Never heard those guys at all. And also seems foreign to me that alternative bands on the destructive furious and like stooges could have any connection with the dreary depression and ethereal nature of JD that's really cool that you know this I got a question. What happened to superfluent guy? He put out a relatively lame video about a half year ago. He must not be getting enough likes from the channel or has some sort of other shit going on in his life. I have sent a few common Sense haven't heard him respond to them. I know it could never have it. But wouldn't have been great if Captain beefheart covered any JD song! It could never have happened. So which one would you think?

@pappyprimetime7510 Жыл бұрын

My favorite lyric from this song is “faster, Stephen, faster”. Barney is a genius

@everythingflows3196 7 ай бұрын

Very insightful and generally spot-on investigation into what makes this track special, both despite and because of its unpolished imperfections. To this day it’s a harrowing listen.

@AW-kr9fl 5 ай бұрын

That song is unbelievably eerie

@ZaneFowler 8 ай бұрын

I believe that if they had been together long enough to make a third album, it would have been a dark, dark masterpiece. With songs like the one you're talking about plus Ceremony, and Atmosphere, it could have been an insanely remarkable album.

@colin2utube Жыл бұрын

I find the exquisite bleakness of this cathartic, sometimes you have to wallow self-indulgently in the misery to reach the other side, but sadly the undertow was too much for Ian. I regularly link to it on FB music appreciation groups, and your dissection of it might have to be linked there too in future. I've still got that single pictured at 08:13 tucked away, as if its the lock puzzle from Hellraiser, and those 9 bass notes are the key to that dark dimension. Thanks for posting about this under appreciated gem.

@igotdarkaether4813 Жыл бұрын

Are you a thesaurus? 😂

@colin2utube Жыл бұрын

@@igotdarkaether4813 The music justified the effort !

@igotdarkaether4813 Жыл бұрын

@@colin2utube fair lad. have a great night!

@vermilliongecko 9 ай бұрын

I came across this video and your channel by chance, probably because I listen to this track at least once a day. I'm very impressed by your analysis, and you've earned yourself a new subscriber.

@michaelgarrood3030 14 күн бұрын

In my opinion, one of Hannett's best songs, with any group he produced.

@ToniLCD Жыл бұрын

Beautiful and bleak at the same time - thank you for this

@yelnickmcwawa5858 10 ай бұрын

Peter hook is the coolest bass player ever

@Octavian7771 6 ай бұрын

I saw New Order at the Perkins Palace in June 1981. They performed In A Lonely Place, Ceremony, and other songs from their Movement LP. Fantastic. I also saw them June 1983 at Billy Barty's Fullerton CA.

@AlbionInmate 7 ай бұрын

Great analysis, glad you took the time to go back and complete it. And screw the algorithms, youtube's already awash with rehashed regurgitated content, it's refreshing to find something unique

@chrisridenhour 11 ай бұрын

Excellent essay. Regarding your intro, I have had these thoughts listening to ‘The Eternal’ and imagining how it was written presumably by lads hanging out, laughing and drinking beers only hours earlier in the day. This is the power of art. To channel the unseen and unheard and unsaid into pure feeling and transcendence

@Mike-1000 Жыл бұрын

*The ending of In a Lonely Place is just epic, gets a load of repeats when I listen to it*

@dirkpehrke9909 Жыл бұрын

It’s not correct that New Order didn’t play Joy Division songs for 18 years. They started playing some JD songs since about 1983 again. Bought a live tape of New Order, where they played Love Will Tear us apart in 1983. But you’re correct that they started to play JD songs on a regular basis about 1998.

@jumofi Жыл бұрын

Earlier... they played twice in 1981 instrumental versions during soundchecks

@_Superfluent Жыл бұрын

TIL! Cheers mate

@МарияСухих-и7ч Жыл бұрын

It wasn't a premonition; it was a statement of what he was going to do. People plan their suicides.

@glenngastonjonsson7954 Жыл бұрын

I would say that most guys want to die, but the ones that actually go through with it, are pretty drunk.

@gurrenmed5319 7 ай бұрын

@@glenngastonjonsson7954 I don't think so, Ian wasn't drunk, Ian's first suicide attempt implies that he can do it again regardless of what he was on. He was always depressed and I know damn well when things heat up then nothing rational is logical at that point and that's when he broke and killed himself.

@coloradoing9172 4 ай бұрын

@@gurrenmed5319He was drunk when he did it.

@Tom-ub4uy Жыл бұрын

Interesting analysis. Thank you.

@Unfunny_Username_389 Жыл бұрын

Really good!!

@kipsy123 Жыл бұрын

great to have you back

@igotdarkaether4813 Жыл бұрын

First video I’ve ever seen of yours and I’d love to see more joy division or some new order videos. And how does your cupboard time travel lol?

@_Superfluent Жыл бұрын

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@morphinlounge101 7 ай бұрын

I didn't quite get the gist of your video. The Demo of In a lonely place is utterly perfect. Apart from the (recording) sound quality I don't here any flaws. And the bass line is just perfect.

@thedelacruz 6 ай бұрын

Great analysys

@theselector4733 Жыл бұрын

That cupboard's bigger than my house. Lucky bastard 😆

@BobbyFriston Жыл бұрын

I was wondering why you had a woolly jumper on in the middle of a heatwave. You must save on heating bills in there. Great to see you back. I love your content.

@AboubacarSiddikh 5 ай бұрын

New Order played Joy Division songs from the first gig on. Where did you get the idea they didn't for another 18 years? Ridiculous. They played In a Lonely Place and Ceremony 30-7-1980 in The Beach Club, Manchester, and Decades and Love Will Tear Us Apart in Paradiso, Amsterdam, 17-5-1980, just to give some examples. And the second version of the Ceremony single was re-recorded, yes, but In a Lonely Place was the same version as on the first single.

@styxcreek 7 ай бұрын

I saw New Order play in Sydney on the 5th anniversary of Curtis’ death, they played Sister Ray as an encore which I know is not a JD song but you could take it as a tribute

@MarkGledhill-s1q 26 күн бұрын

Gaura nitai gauranga......

@nicolejanes7378 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I kinda like this song

@AaronIacon Жыл бұрын

The Ice Age

@_Superfluent Жыл бұрын

Dammit missed that one

@mr.milehi9883 Жыл бұрын

In 1989 when us vinyl was on the way out. I had bought a cutout of CLOSER. It was for US Dollars that those were the days, simon?. Though I guess you are a little too young to have experienced that.

@mr.milehi9883 Жыл бұрын

Dig that Lookie Stevens, lend me your comb bit. No you're the almighty Simon and you know all already but in case you didn't. There's an episode of MARRIED WITH CHILDREN with anthrax and Mr Stevens sing a few lines from the song at the end. But your dig at the past is way cooler. Just like you man.

@mupspups292 6 ай бұрын

I don't agree. In the demos it was called Misplaced. Also, the lyrics are "how I wish we were here with you now". Nothing about suicide. A script. A manipulation. Royalty checks. In the JD rehearsal of Ceremony (also a name that Ian never gave, it was called New One on the gig set lists). It is strange how the mixing desk doesn't pick up the lyrics. Ian's lyrics are different to NO's, "Picture's me IN TEN YEAR'S TIME...watching" while NO wrote, "Picture's me instead you stand watching...watching forever..." Bad call. Listen for yourself. Ian put it very well, "I could live a little better, with the myths and the lies, and when the darkness closed in, I could just broke down and cried." One more thing. The Western Works demo of the so-called Ceremony (New One) is truer to the original than the later NO release.