Joystick Fight 2019 - Virpil - VKB - Thrustmaster - HOTAS

[@neonspark707]

pretty awesome. just as a suggestion, maybe include the fighter's salary for price to price comparisons :)

[@36louieboy]

Lol nice analogy

[@The_Glasses_Character]

While I'm still happy with my choice, might want to add travel time as well

[@dwaynekristopher4365]

a trick : you can watch series at Flixzone. Been using it for watching all kinds of movies these days.

[@HopcxSyvoalw]

If u spend so much on these sticks but not your pc graphics card and monitor then what's the point haha

[@budthecyborg4575]

Just seeing any kind of Flight Stick review in this day and age is a dream come true.

[@SilasFarseer]

Completely agreed. When I first entered this space in 2014 the best dual joysticks were CH sticks and nobody even talks about them anymore (and imho for good reason).

[@det.bullock4461]

@@SilasFarseer Unfortunately APEM (CH Products parent compan) doesn't seem interested in refreshing their joystick line and is mostly about their industrial products, with the prices the VKB, Virpil and company have they could swap two of the buttons on the Flightstick Pro wth 4 way hats and sell it as a cheaper yet still reliable lefty stick. Not that you can't basically have similar results with a Pro Throttle (I played Descent, Overload and now Everspace with it) but it seems people that really prefer a full lefty stick and don't have enough money can only get a t-16000m.

[@awildtomappeared5925]

This is not the content we deserve, it's the content we need :O

[@Glorious_Kim_Jong_Un]

I agree! Would love to see more commercials!

[@sophiamadison5121]

Fun change up to your typical style ... I do think I like your standard no-BS style better tho. But I definitely can appreciate a content creator playing around with content delivery options. As always great content AND very timely, just as I'm considering how to set up my home cockpit.

[@nombinator]

VKB has released the SCG Kosmosima grip. I own 2 of these with Gunfighter Mk2. I love them. Every button feel right in place for my medium sized hand. Now the MCG grip is also available with a twist option. I plan on buying one MCG for the 2 trigger which would permit to fire weapon 1 and 2 independantly and simultanously. I will also buy the upgrade from Gunfighter Mk2 to Mk3. At the time I bought the joysticks, VKB also selled the upgrade from GF Mk1 to Mk2. It is nice to know that VKB propose this and that you can still upgrade your hardware without buying a whole joystick every time.

[@spartarex]

I appreciate the rundown. I see numerous comments below highlighting the difficulty of actually obtaining both VKB and Virpil products because of stock shortages. Additionally, I concur with another comment below, a major consideration is how they compare price wise. That would be good info to have.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

They are practically the same price at that level

[@spartarex]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 , thank you for the prompt reply. I very much appreciate your attention to detail. Best regards, Sparta Rex.

[@rogerovernout7900]

@Sparta Rex the Virpl Delta appears to be in stock right now.

[@vracan]

I ordered vkb gunfighter last week and just recieved it today. Super impressed. Also must say vkb america has fantastic tech support.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Why would you need tech support if they are new?

[@ecevansevans2566]

VKB and VIRPIL, HAS A SHIPPING OR STOCKPILES PROBLEM, At least for the United States. They’re alway out of stock. If you want to get the grips, they’re out of the bases and if you want bases , then they don’t have grips. I want to throw my money at either one company . but they are away out of stock.

[@fzfq3m]

VIRPIL is planning to restock it's international webstore soon. Check it out forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/142-worldwide-webstore-restock-date/

[@darendehaan2876]

I have tried Virpil's last four "restocks", not enough stock each time... Or sold out as soon as the server is ready for orders. It's nice to see that reviewers get the easy route to getting stock. That and the fact that neither Virpil or VKB have a pre-order function- are souring opinions on their service. Not worth the hassle since neither company will stock sufficiently to meet the need they are hyping up. I'll make do with my Warthog, it only took me one attempt to get, and only three days to receive. A shame they couldn't get an Amazon shop going. I would have been sold from there.

[@fzfq3m]

@@darendehaan2876 Sorry to hear that man, something similar happened to me with VKB,... they had backorder function back at the time I tried to buy from them, but after they delayed my order like two times I cancelled it and went to Virpil... and got lucky I guess...

[@mtnmist1]

@@darendehaan2876 Though frustrating with the stock situation, it is getting better. That said, for me its definitely worth the wait; that is coming from someone who had their Warthog break at the crappy plastic gimbal & no real options to fix it from TM or 3rd party. Fortunately VKB & Virpil were emerging at that point and I gave it a shot & no regrets...

[@greatwood9127]

It's taken VKB 2 years to come out with the grips that were promised (kosmosima) when the gunfighter was introduced. It has been frustrating to say the least. And I would not recommend them to everyone. On the other hand, the Gunfighter is an amazing stick and top notch build quality but the manufacturer is obtuse to the needs of the customer and are very slow to respond, if at all. there was a change in the base from the original gunfighter even before any of promised grips were released. There was no buy-back option or upgrade kits available for the gunfighter mk I to the mk II. Which would have been all that was needed and lack of any info on release dates with sketchy availability. On their behalf, they are a custom high end manufacturer and at the quality level and design that they offer...vkb and virpil are really the only choices for the discerning customer. Choose your poison. I'd probably roll Virpil Warbird had I to do it all over again. My 2 cents.

[@BCSchmerker]

+BrianMP5T *All the control grips in the Joystick Fight are short switches needed for the universal simpit.* Neither the Virtual Engineering Bureau nor VirPil Controls has analogues for all the subcontrol items OKB Milja specified for the Mi-24BM/Mi-26SMD/Mi-28SMT cyclic and collective grips from AvijaAvtomatika. For each of both left and right grips, the top pod needs two pushbuttons in the top corners, three five-way trims, and an analog ministick/push to the rear, and a three-way trim to the outboard side; the right (cyclic) grip needs two folding triggers of different lengths and travels (goldenrod for the short 100° trigger, red for the long 180° trigger), the left (collective) grip one black 180° folding trigger. The handle needs a two-stage gray trigger with a red push beneath; a five-way trim at the top, and a semi-flush cyan push in the side, of the thumbrest; and a red semi-outriggered pinky button. Both could use an analog squeeze handle in the column extension (as all Russian aircraft use an air-brake controller on the attitude/cyclic stick, Mil and Kamov helicopters a clutch release on the collective pitch arm).

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Yes, but that does not mean that everyone needs it on their game controller sir. I’m sure that 99% of all people who want a joystick, just want it to play games that have none of those requirements.

[@Hellskelett]

For the left hand I will get a Delta grip, for the right hand I will use the Thrustmaster Warthog, because I am also a DCS A-10C pilot.

[@Marcusstratus]

Very enjoyable. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I completely agree, there's a number of variables to consider as to whether one should go with one stick or the other and often it comes down to knit picky things or availability when looking to buy

[@kenjames1123]

I know that everyone ignores CH Products but it's all metal inside parts and at 110-125$ is BY FAR the best value for what you get.

[@ast0069]

I do agree, I have use CH for decades those things never break.

[@fubarace1027]

I know in the flight sim community, CH pedals are supposed to be an excellent value for $130. The rudder equivalent of the Thrustmaster T16k Hotas setup (best value hotas according to reading, once you lube them with a specific grease).

[@nicolasgodfroid]

What are the left and right hand usable joysticks? Is there a pack with a left and right hand usable Hotas and rudder control pedals for some 3500€ ?

[@bretrowlinson]

Do you have any info on the extruded aluminum brackets for desk mounting? Wanting to do something better than the wood ones I built years ago. Cheers!!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Like this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmHHn3x8dtZ0epI

[@Plewsasaur]

I had been training for years to get VKB sticks. Not with joysticks, with Glastonbury tickets. Essentially a syndicate of computers across different IPs the second they restock... Glad I have them, glad they narrowly won, now I just have to actually learn how to use them. See y'all at jumptown!

[@degrandeJoni]

Is there any way to find out when a new batch of virpil bases are coming to EU? cause there all out for now.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Yes. Google VirPil Restock

[@degrandeJoni]

thx alot for the reply! found it now, 27 feb. love the super nice video. You convinced me for sure.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thanks for coming back and saying that. Please do me a favour. This sale sells out almost instantly. Please have 100% of your stuff ready. If the sale is at 10:00 be there at 9:45 with credit card, a list of what you want, your address written down and a coffee. Open all the pages for the products you want. Hit F5 to refresh and when you see the option to buy, click add to cart, select the next tab, hit F5 add to cart and checkout

[@degrandeJoni]

Thx for the info! I l be ready at 6AM GTM :P

[@WhiteEagleTube]

Joni Degrande just to add to whats been said, when i successfully purchased on the last restock i just happened to look at the store a day early and the warbrd base was instock so I purchased instantly. So the restock times dates are slightly flexible.

[@mustangfan3285]

Can the Warthog grip be installed on the VIRPIL WarBRD gimbal?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Yes

[@mustangfan3285]

Thank you, sir :-)@@NOOBIFIER1337

[@TheZhriver]

Virpil also has new stick in the constellation series coming, in their own words the delta is the entry level and the new one will be the premium. One of their reps popped in on the SC reddit and confirmed it.

[@juicebowl]

Yeah, I got this message from Viripl when I inquired about the Delta, "Constellation Delta Grip is our entry level grip in the Constellation series. No changes will be made to the Delta Grip, but in the future more grips will be added to the Constellation line up and may feature more adjustments. However, there is no ETA for this just yet."

[@tjudawous]

I have a warthog and absolutely love the weight and feel overall (throttle and stick). My concern is, as you put it, with the cheap plastic neck on the base. What a bummer! I was thinking of getting the MT50 base but it sounds like it's being discontinued? Will the Warthog stick work on the WarBRD base as it does with the MT50 base? And as such would that suddenly "grant" a Z-axis to a warthog stick? THat would be my dream. I do like the prospect of the WarBRD but with no adjustable hand rest I'm not so sure. I was only eyeing it because of the analog xbox stick on it. Thanks for the video!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Warthog will work on WarBRD if you apply the stiff spring sir. You will still lack the z axis, but it will work 100%

[@VonSpud]

Some months ago we spoke about the VKB gunfighter base to stick disconnect issue. I contacted VKB...received a quick and helpful reply. However the "fix" by undoing the cam lock - pushing down on the stick to base - tightening the cam lock with extra force...as suggested on some other sites...did not work. Over the months it eventually got worse. I locked out the twist option with included screw. Helped a little but eventually the disconnects were happening more often. Last night I decided to take the stick section apart...lo & behold after doing some continuity checks on the three (black yellow red) wires that feed the tiny board with three tiny spring loaded pin connectors... I discovered a broken red wire inside the twist & power connection tube. You pretty much need to disassemble the whole twist mechanism to get at the tiny pin board. After a little solder job and some extra solder on the black wire connection which looked thin... boom! VKB Gunfighter III stick to base issue solved. Works excellent....I ran the stick through all possible positions. Power light stays lit...buttons are all working. I didn't have to push down with excessive pressure on stick or overtighten the cam lock either. Back to loving this VKB Gunfighter Mark III Space Combat edition.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I am happy it was a simple fix. Thanks for the update.

[@FlightSimMuseum]

Good job... there is a ton of information presented here!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thanks very much for the support

[@Nutty663rd]

Agreed - this was a lot of fun :) James "Nutty" Hallows - and great to see you on here Migman!

[@FlightSimMuseum]

@@Nutty663rd Just saw this comment now. Yes, I hope you're still enjoying the sim-world!

[@damluc91]

Hi, I am currently using TM warthog stick on my desktop. Does anybody knows if replacing the base of it with a Virpil Warbird one ,will be ok,? I am concern about the height of the coupled ( warbrd base and warthogTM stick) when used on the desktop. Thanks for the replays.

[@RelaxSimmer]

Why would you want a Z-axis on a stick makes no sense to me. It's awkward to use and you can't make precise inputs you want while flying and it just makes stick feel unrealistic.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Well, I did want it, I now have it, in my opinion it didn’t make the stick any less precise as before so I don’t know how to answer you. If you don’t play space games, you don’t need it

[@remlif315]

any chance we can see delta v kosmos? i know the alpha is due out soon but still interested :)

[@Teledabby]

what means / is a "flip down trigger"? thank you?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

A trigger that can be flipped up 90 degrees out of the way. Like a safety

[@Teledabby]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 thank you :)

[@lordcommandernox9197]

In my humble opinion, this is what YT was made for.

[@tristanelliott4106]

Virpil! Virpil! Virpil! Fantastic review! I'm just about to order dual Deltas, so Im happy to see they hung in their in this fight.

[@Rickbearcat]

You have a funny streak running through you! You're full of surprises. Not to mention the excellent advice and comparisons in the joystick arena.

[@cybertaniwha]

Can the delta grip be placed with extensions on the vkb mount? Would this give the best of both worlds?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Cyber Taniwha don’t think that is possible

[@UndercoverPirate69]

I dont have problems with the Warthog like in this video. Do you tennis with it?

[@eelco8800]

Great work, and very original approach. edit: checked your content, subbed, and added 3 whole playlists to my library for later view. You bring great content and deserve so many more subscribers!

[@TairnKA]

I have duel T16KMs that I enjoy, especially having so many buttons and hats (16+1 each). BUT I've had to replace one and probably a second, due to a defect that causes the ship to Yaw uncontrollably (can't counter act). Based on conversations, this is a common problem that I've contacted their support about, without a remedy. Have you heard of this problem?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Sometime the T16000m just fails and because there isn’t really any user serviceable parts, it’s hard to fix it.

[@TairnKA]

Unfortunately I'm at a 50% failure rate. I wish I could find a more reliable stick with at least as many buttons that I have available between these two?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

VKB Gladiator?

[@lordfraybin]

LOL ..great commentary. Very creative. Loved it!

[@51ghardy]

I am thinking about using a yoke. Then I can switch hands to use keyboard and mouse when needed

[@aaronbyrne-colgan186]

Great round up! Appreciate all the work that went into researching for this and trying something different to spice it up. Can't wiat to hear how the Kosmosima fairs once it releases.

[@Galf506]

just to be clear, all these bases have no rudder axis, only the space sim grip has it?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

The Delta

[@andreimarius9695]

Great video. What about force sensing vs displacement joysticks ?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Andrei Marius they are all displacement in this video. The only force sensor I know is the brake pedal in my Fanatic V3 kit

[@royetter1777]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 There are these fine folks: www.realsimulator.com/index.html

[@andreimarius9695]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 I know , but beside Saitek X65f there are cell upgrade for Virpil as my understanding is right. I think it will be interesting a video about these two different approach on Joystick devices, especially coming from you.

[@Zalatian]

I thought the style worked really well - definitely more NoBullShit than L-holding, but it works. It pays off in the actual fights, and the blow-by-blows were a great mix of deep info, style, and speed. The video was actually over before I expected, so it moved well, and the color gradient rankings were spot on. The only thought I have on how to improve would be to hold up titles of each joystick at the start, since it was hard to follow the contenders through their introductions.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thanks for the valuable feedback

[@T595955i]

This might be the very best flight sim peripherals review/comparo that I've ever seen! Infomative and entertaining as well! :-) Many thanks

[@FlavioMayrink]

Hey @TheNoobifier1337 I don't know if you have one already, but is there a video to compare the TM T16000m with a Virpil alike Sticks?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Gladiator and T16000 m is coming

[@GowthamNatarajanAI]

What is more suitable for flight sims like DCS World?

[@alphapicturesentertainment]

Warthog

[@intetx]

I use the Virpil throttle with a cheaper VKB Gladiator. I‘m very happy with both. The only shortcoming is the Gladiators small base. I screwed it onto a wooden cutting board, which unfortunately raises it higher but solves my issue otherwise.

[@lyth1um]

is there a video without background noise?

[@g-maniac8670]

Do the vkb/virpil grips attach to other bases such as thrustmaster warthog/saitek x55? Just as a temporary solution until warbrd base in stock.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

No, their grips don’t work on thrustmaster

[@JP-fs4cl]

According to Virpil's website, the T-50 grips are compatible with a Warthog base, but apparently not the Constellation grip. VKB grips appear to only work with VKB bases.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

JPM398 none of the Analog feature work.

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[@JordanOwnby]

Yes the Warthog has a plastic gimble, but at $279 new and a nice, quality grip I didn't see any other option when people are committing highway robbery on eBay for flight sticks and everything not on eBay is back ordered.

[@yugen]

Great video! As someone who trained, fought, and coached MMA since 2004 I love the fight theme. I have a Gunfighter Mk. II with a left hand Kosomima grip and a right hand MCG grip coming in the mail. Can't wait to try them out.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Dallas Van Winkle congrats on a great purchase. The video was meant to be fun and light. A couple people understood, but many flat out hated it as you can see by the dislikes. Thanks for the support

[@yugen]

Yeah it's unfortunate, I thought it was really entertaining.

[@yugen]

I could also see it being distracting for people who aren't fight fans as they may not be comfortable or familiar with the format. But for those of us who are, I believe it paid off well!

[@fludblud]

Who woulda thought that in 2019 the flight sim market would be dominated by Russian sticks?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It would seem so.

[@surject]

DCS...

[@fubarace1027]

Thrustmaster owned this market for so long, then they stopped caring about it and went to car sims instead. A shame.

[@dolphin069]

@@fubarace1027 to be fair to them it's a very small market. DCS and other flight sims seem to be making an ascendency with older gamers in the last couple of years.

[@fubarace1027]

@@dolphin069 I'll have you know I resemble that remark!

[@Ashariel25]

Which stick would you guys recommend for someone who has just started in Star Citizen? I've tried Keyboard+Mouse and Xbox Controller but am not really happy with either...

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Most think the t16000 m is the best value. I am about to review the VKB Gladiator which is a nice price point

[@garyreed315]

Excellent video. I can totally relate to rock-m-sock-m robots!! Nicely done. I went with the VKb Gunfighter Mk3 Ultimate Modern Combat Edition.

[@CaseyBartley]

MT50 grip and base are being replaced. MT50 CM v2 grip releases in next stock with 35 buttons. The base is being redesigned. WarBRD is not a replacement for the MT50, short throw + extension whereas the WarBRD is only officially approved for 50cm extension with a longer throw at the base more for desktop use, especially when paired with the WarBRD grip.

[@greatwood9127]

I have a left and right kosmosima grip on order. I have been disappointed with vkb's customer response but i can not fault their design or build quality. I'm looking forward to the dual kosmosima sticks and hope that the dry clutch will really be amazing in utilizing the left stick for a throttle. Great video, noob! it's the info the community needs with the flight model changes coming out in the near future. thanks for your coverage and dedication to the star citizen community.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thanks Dan. This was a fun video and it won’t be the last time these grips come together, probably will sparingly use Boxing Announcer though.

[@greatwood9127]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 was a different take by making it out to be a boxing match. Rock 'em sock 'em robots we're cool but imho, it may have shortened it up a bit without the announcer schtick. But it was a fun video! I dug it

[@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962]

Someone needs to knock Thrustmaster off their monopoly of flight sim hardware. BS for a $200 add on stick. Those executives are winning big time!

[@rogerovernout7900]

Really want to play with the new flight model before I decide on a control scheme, that said, I'm pretty sure that dual 16000s is it for me. Watching this channel is like watching Top Gear sometimes. I can decide that I definitely choose the Koenigsegg over the Ferrari, then climb into the Focus for a beer run. :)

[@greatwood9127]

since backing Star Citizen, I've been through 3 T16000's and 2 Warthogs. I got tired of the minor iritations and lack of solid build quality. The most expensive sticks are the sum of all the sticks you go through to wind up with the sticks you should have gotten in the first place. Don't compromise on your sticks and you won't regret it....for what it's worth, IMHO

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Agreed, TM sticks are great on display at Best Buy, but Between just RedLir and I we have a stack of busted TM gear that adds up to about 2700$

[@rogerovernout7900]

You guys are just trying to get me in trouble with Mrs. Rabbit, aren't you!? :)

[@greatwood9127]

@@rogerovernout7900 I had a buddy dropped USD $30K on a bass boat he takes out 6 times a year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@TrevorJones1]

@@greatwood9127 money must be nice

[@nixie2462]

It would be a very good metric to know the height from base surface to the handrest. (with adjustable handrest, let's say at midpoint), it would help people that want to know wich ones are better for desktop use (shorter ones, ofc)

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Weather or not a grip is good on a desk, has more to do with the gimbal, than the grip.

[@TKnightcrawler]

We were supposed to get a Z-axis adaptor from VKB, but that never happened. Now we're getting the Kosmosima, which gets a Z-axis built in, but no pinky trigger or flip trigger. That does make me a little sad, but I think the Kosmosima is gonna be superb.

[@ph11p3540]

Bravo! Style that does not lose the no BS to the point comparisons. Now this is avant-garde presentation all while bringing back my childhood at the controls of some Rock Em Sock Em battling robots with my child hood friends.

[@rvns16th]

Loved this vid. As for your issue with your warthogs kicking the bucket, you should look at the fssb mod. My cougar has been running flawlessly since 2006 (maybe longer?)

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I will but what we really need is a metal interior

[@rvns16th]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 without a doubt! keep up the amazing work, looking forward to seeing the new vkb stick face off

[@Omaricon]

Looks like you had some fun with this video! Keep up the great work!

[@arzhangsadeghi]

I need help, I bought a virpil base 9 days ago, they haven't sent me any tracking number and when I emailed them about it, no answer , there is no phone to contact them, what should I do?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It’s standard. I don’t think you should be worried. They are a small company.

[@arzhangsadeghi]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thank you so much for your fast reply, based on your experience, how long will it take for them to answer the E.mails or how long will it take for them to send the purchased items? sincerely, Arzhang

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It depends on how many other orders are done. There is a small supply and the might need to make your product shipping one prepared.

[@spinwardbound]

I would love a review and update series to guide new players through selection, setup and space supremacy!

[@rjet4321]

But will they all connect to the wart hog throttle?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

The throttle is independent

[@rjet4321]

Maybe but are these plug and play, I don’t like programming anything, the wart hog works with dcs perfectly

[@owd200]

Lol I was skeptical when you first started in with the boxing thing... but you pulled it off and made a great video :)

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thank you. I won’t make a habit of this format, but I wanted to try something new

[@Dro250]

how do i know what i need for these things? I keep looking for all in ones or something. Looks like its all sold separately?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Grips and Gimbals are sold individually

[@Dro250]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 ouch thank u, I keep googling some. All the ones that arent an arm and a leg are slaved to a throttle

[@SilasFarseer]

Noobifier, curious question: What about a joystick makes it more "Spacey"? Personally I'd prefer a mirrored match set of grips over ambidextrous grips if they give you more inputs. Sure a mousewheel is nice, but you give up hats/mini-sticks for it. The MCG PRo decimates the other grips as far as inputs, even analog ministick options. I roll with a VKB MCG Pro and the fantastic Thrustmaster FCS Throttle (analog strafing stick and paddle!) and rudder pedals but if I were to go Virpil I'd rather have the extra inputs from the more serious MongoosT grips. I like that the manufacturers are breaking the milsim molds and making new grips, but ultimately for me it's about how much you can do hands-on over RGB and a fancy "space" moniker. Nice review overall though, fun lineup.

[@gunter0359]

This is some really fun content, as well as educational! Thank you!

[@fanustheron8178]

Great job testing them all. Cant wait for the HOTAS testing. You should also test HOTAS vs Joystick.

[@CarvellFenton]

Excellent to see all these sticks compared against one another. Good info as always. I could have done with a bit less of the fight ringmaster stuff... ;) but thanks for putting the effort in as always! I have two Warthogs for HOSAS. Had hoped to get a left handed Warthog but that option seems to have gone silent. Virpil has definitely been a top option as a replacement but it seems like they shot up in price? Not unexpected given their uptick in coverage and popularity.

[@det.bullock4461]

Keep in mind that the Warthog is a replica military stick first and foremost conceived before the return of spacesims and you don't get lefty sticks in the army. The price and the gimbal problems (it's a 400 Euros set and you require the user to use their own grease and hope the plastic ball doesn't break? Really?) is what made me buy a CH Combatstick instead, after all I play mostly spacesims, never had a joystick with rudder and I mostly needed something reliable.

[@CarvellFenton]

@@det.bullock4461 I have a CH HOTAS too, had it first before I wanted to go dual stick, but I wasn't happy with it. Calibration issues, even after an RMA, and I couldn't get used to the dual barrel design of the stick. Had I been able to get the left handed Warthog mod I'd have been very pleased. The Virpil stuff was a more expensive option when I bought, but saving a bit longer might have been the right choice. Hindsight is 20-20 😏

[@det.bullock4461]

@@CarvellFenton Well, I came from a very cheap Saitek and CH was mostly what I could afford that was reliable and available (by the time I needed a new one Saitek went down the drain and I really didn't like the button placement on the Thrustmaster sticks I could afford). I don't really mind the centering mechanism personally and the only issue I had with calibration was with games that default to no deadzone (basically the stick is a bit top heavy and it pitched down a bit, but a very small deadzone solved the problem). Other than that after three years is still going strong and I've been torturing the thing quite bit with spacesims and recently even Ace Combat 7 (no thanks to Bandai/Namco and their stupid Thrustmaster exclusivity). If I could afford to spend 300+ Euros at once I'd probably get that spacesim variation of the Gunfighter MKII that's going to come out but that's more than what I've spent with my Combatstick and Pro Throttle put together and I didn't buy the throttle with it, I did a few months later after confirming it could work with my old spacesims so as not to spend 140/150 Euros on a paperweight (I didn't get more modern games like Elite until a bit later).

[@commonmaterial3858]

Great work. As always. Would love more detail on how each sticks buttons interact with Star Citizen, especially things like mouse wheels, double triggers, mini sticks, etc. How you can use them, why they might be useful, etc.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Mouse wheel is zoom and mining laser throttle. Super Effective

[@alfdav]

Love the Fight format hahaha. Keep it up.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thanks

[@Stryk3r46]

Cheers Noob... great review... very hard to find good comparisons out there!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I’m happy sir

[@harpoon_bakery162]

Quick question: I know there was a tilt toward space sim in the review. What Stick would you buy if you were going to be mainly flying DCS A10C Warthogs and other jets in DCS and also use sticks with flying in X-Plane 11? Would it be the Thrustmaster Warthog or the VKB? Don't base your answer on the throttle, ignore the throttle all together with your answer and thanks in advance, subscribed!!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I will answer by elimination. I would avoid the TMWH gimbal vase at all cost. I still like the WarBrd base out of all because of their double mirrored cams. They use them in the pedals as well. They are the most linear. I have tested WinWing and VKB, they are both sitting on a shelf. Then you need to decide upon grip, Virpil has many to choose from.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thanks for the help!!!!

[@andreig4328]

Creative presentation. Great job! And thank you. I'm waiting for SC beta to hit in within a year, so I'll be choosing which HOTAS to get. For now I'm using X-55, but it's lacking wrist level adjustment, which is a trouble for me.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

The MCG has a fantastic wrist support. The MT50 grip is a close second

[@erserb]

Thats the video i was looking for. I would love to see updated versions!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I am working on it now. Thanks for the support

[@stephenwilliamson8012]

I’m keeping an eye on this, including a future review on the Constellation stick, for the time when I can afford a stick.

[@therealsnow]

VKB, the best stick money can't buy. I love mine but it took 8mo of waiting for 10, yes 10 of them to come in stock and that sold out in a day. Then it took an additional 3mo of waiting for the extension to come in stock. But hey once I did order it arrived FROM CHINA in like 2 days, haha Now the race is on, what will release first? The VKB throttle or Star Citizen?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I think the throttle will be first.

[@KaTooMaz]

Pretty good review....Although I was leaning VKB for my new HOSAS or HOSASAT setup anyway, the true main decider for me was availability. VKB had everything I wanted in stock and an MKIII Kosmo-SCM-Left & MKIII MCG Pro were in my hands in about one week. The only thing available at Virpil were the pedals and I ordered those. A few weeks later the new MongoosT CM2 throttles came out so I picked up a couple. I still have not used the Virpil throttle or pedals, I'm still using my G29 race sim pedals. Someday I may switch over to the Virpil pedals and hook up the Throttle or maybe just sell them. I'm ok with the G29 pedals at this time and not really hurting for buttons to demand use of the throttle.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Solid plan

[@TsvetanVR]

So....Kosmosima + MK3 base vs Constellation Alpha + WarBRD?

[@MattBreckenridge]

Are we going to get a 2021 version?

[@Jaleney]

Damn Noobifier answering the questions we've been pondering. Great vid as always!

[@Spezies]

Great start. Because I really want a Joystick later for SC.

[@Lcadelaide]

where do we buy those. i tried their stores but they are always out of stock

[@tictac4949]

Just picked up the vkb gladiator mk2. I also have t16000m and ch fightersick, and I gotta say, the vkb is BY FAR the nicest feeling, at least for the right stick.

[@ast0069]

I have a CH combatstick, you think is worth the upgrade to vkb?, an I am only interested in acurracy and fine adjustments.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I am reviewing gladiator soon.

[@ast0069]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 you didnt had the all times good CH sticks.

[@tictac4949]

Alfredo Santiago if you are looking for accuracy and fine tuning, then yes I definitely recommend upgrading to vkb gladiator mk2, or even the t16000. I think both have about the same level of precision, but the vkb just feels waayy better imo. The durability of the CH fighterstick, which is why I bought it in the first place, is not enough of a selling point for it to be worth it IMO, sure it’ll never break, but you can just feel how inaccurate it is after using a newer stick. I’m also just talking about the non-pro model mk2, not the $300+ pro model. Although one day I’d like to upgrade to one of those really nice ones. I just can’t seem to find any for sale anywhere.

[@tictac4949]

TheNOOBIFIER1337 nice I definitely want to hear what you have to say about them, I have to ask though, how did you get all those cool pro model vkb sticks? I’ve kept my eye out for months now and I can’t find any on sale anywhere! Edit- nvm I read your other comments and saw what you said about that:)..... however, I still wanted to ask, do you need to buy the warBRD base, and a grip on top of that? Or are there other components you have to buy as well? I’d really like to get in on this restock frenzy:)

[@x1lacn0g]

Any chance of getting a comparison on throttles too? I know that HOSAS is better for space sims, but I like having a HOTAS for ships with HOTAS and HOSAS on ships with HOSAS

[@silentone11111111]

It sounds like Virpil has the best grip and VKB has the best base. I think Ill wait for the Kosmosima before deciding. I really wanted this vid. But I didn't like the format Im afraid. I did appreciate the effort put in.

[@squidsakhadrak6965]

im useing the TM16000 dual stick at the moment but when they wear out ima get the TM Warthog Hotas

[@linusa2996]

Been using the same CH Fighterstick for close to 10 years, still as good as when I bought it and still as accurate.

[@yugen]

That's actually really impressive.

[@linusa2996]

@@yugen I was surprised too as prior to this I had to buy a new joystick every 2 years or so. Before this I had 2 Saitek 45's a Saitek 54, 2 Logitech pro's. when the last 54 broke, I went looking for a Thrustmaster and came across the CH Fightertick. It was cheaper than the Thrustmaster, so I bought it and paired it with a surviving Saitek 54 throttle and I've been using it ever since. The only maintenance I've done is to put some silicone grease in the parts where there is friction and used a camera lens brush to remove the dirt and dust from the insides and the various nooks and crannies.

[@autoxtacy]

Great video Noobifier! Very creative. Thank you.

[@Kaotic_Kill3r]

Will you be doing a throttle match up?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Mike F there is really only two on the market. MT50 TMWH

[@jackfontaine8969]

really enjoyed looking at the differences between the sticks, but we need to remember what thrustmasters goal was for the warthog hotas, to be a repica. the real a10 dosent have analog brakes and other features like the virpl because it is the real thing. just something to keep in mind

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It is also a 12 year old design.

[@jackfontaine8969]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 true that, loved the video man was ver entertaining and informative

[@manuelkong10]

imaginative presentation....way more thought and effort than the usual vids....some people can't handle Anything but the "norm" great job

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Thanks for the support. The video was a gamble with some mixed reviews. I appreciate you taking the time to comment

[@petteriaitalaakso]

Superb vid, thanks for the info & the laughs :)

[@fubarace1027]

Cool video! 1 small detail, Thrustmaster showed a new handle at E3, a Hornet based grip. The other 2 things Thrustmaster premiered at E3 are out, so if the new handle isnt out, it very soon will be. But, it doesn't make a difference, it still has the same problem with a plastic gimbal. It's why it is half the price of the other reviewed sticks here. And of course VKB announced a new stick as well (Tomcat based), but it takes them a lot of time to get new things out, and they have a few things prequeued ahead of it (a space stick and a throttle).

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I am tracking all that and will report sir

[@fubarace1027]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Awesome! I look forward to it like I do all your videos. Maybe if we're lucky, Thrustmaster, with their renewed interest in flight sims, might make a more up to date base so as to be able to keep up in the industry. Right now, its only upside is it's always available, unlike Virpril and VKB.

[@fubarace1027]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 I just learned something that might interest you. I've read you can swap a Thrustmaster grip onto a Virpil base and it works 1 to 1, no firmware or software updates. The tester used the old Virpil base, but what works for the old base should work for the new? It would be awesome if you were willing to test this! Might add value to the Virpil base with the Thrustmaster Hornet standalone grip coming soon! To me this cements Virpil over VKG, now someone needs to coax TM into selling the Warthog grip standalone. They might well sell it to me for the request, I know they do that for other parts. Virpil must have done that on purpose, very good choice on their part! One more way to undercut TM with their superior product. www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/6wjhkx/warthog_grip_on_virpil_base/ The thread I read this from. The same poster said that you can use Thrustmaster grips on a VKG, but it requires a firmware update to make this work.

[@TrevorJones1]

I love your setup, do you have a video explaining it? Also do you play standing up?!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Standing yes

[@TrevorJones1]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Any particular reason you choose standing? Doesn't it get tiring after a while?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Trevor Jones standing is super comfortable and no, I get more tired sitting

[@TrevorJones1]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 i found your vid explaining your room(kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYTXpJmGe6eplZo), not the desk. Really like the adjust-ability. Is it custom?

[@astrojak5383]

A very entertaining video thanks Noobs

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I appreciate your support. Probably will be a one time thing though. Backlash is pretty real

[@astrojak5383]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 backlash??? For what I thought it was a nice change of format. I guess you cant please everyone. Rsi knows that only too well!!!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Astro Jak take a look at the thumbs down

[@heartlessalice5801]

It's have been a long time since I've been trouble to keep up with the English in a video, so thank for the training ^^

[@4rkadi]

Hoped to have gotten more details on quality of switches and secondary analog axis. Beyond your z-axis bias, this seemed like a murder by VKB if they have more expansive and adjustable gimbal and more options on their sticks. I know you have a much closer relationship with Virpil, so it maybe behooves you to give them a win (however narrow), but maybe that’s why you picked the boxing analogy. they are known for rigged decisions too! :P

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

No, I believe once I test Kosmosima, it will be a VKB Win

[@CrescentFreshAtBest]

I got a VKB MCG pro and a Virpil Mongoose Throttle -- Best of both worlds :D

[@garyreed315]

I have the VKB and was thinking about going with the Virpil mongoose throttle. How has it been working out for you? Thanks.

[@kevinmcintyre170]

The comparisson looks great, but It would be easier to follow if you posted the name of the controller you were talking about on screen.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Ok

[@AntoineThisdale]

That was one of your nerdiest video Noob. Love it.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Gotta Try something new

[@AntoineThisdale]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Its damn fun, i can tell you that ;)

[@JeffBea]

Ugh, I still don't know which one to get. Can you just do a video of which one I should buy. Don't give me any choices but one.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

What do you plan to do. Cargo, fighting, Space Sim, Flight Sim?

[@JeffBea]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 I probably need to wait for the new flight model. I currently using a single thrustmaster T16000 due to lack for desktop space. I just won't be able to fit duel sticks or separate throttle with my setup. I need a good single stick solution that does everything good.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Had you considered using a mount to attach? They are removable, instantly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmHHn3x8dtZ0epI this is what I am using. I agree, waiting is a good idea