The End of the Torch Experiment! - Stockfish vs Torch - Computer Blitz Chess Championship

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PGN OF THE GAME:
[Event "CCC23 Blitz: Semifinals (3|2)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2024.06.27"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Torch"]
[Black "Stockfish"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[ECO "A46"]
[Opening "Indian Defense: Wade-Tartakower Defense"]
[Termination "Unterminated"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]
1. d4 d6 2. Nf3 Nf6 { A46 Indian Defense: Wade-Tartakower Defense } 3. Bf4 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. e4 O-O 6. Bd3 a6 7. O-O b5 8. e5 Nh5 9. Bg5 Bb7 10. Re1 Nc6 11. Be4 Qd7 12. h3 h6 13. e6 fxe6 14. Bxg6 Nf4 15. Bxf4 Rxf4 16. Re4 Raf8 17. Rxf4 Rxf4 18. Ne2 Rf8 19. c3 Nd8 20. Bh5 e5 21. dxe5 Bxe5 22. Bg4 Qc6 23. a4 Qe4 24. axb5 axb5 25. Qd2 Nf7 26. Nh4 Bf6 27. Bf3 Qxh4 28. Bxb7 e6 29. f4 Be7 30. Be4 d5 31. Bc2 Bc5+ 32. Kh2 Nd6 33. Qd3 Nf5 34. g3 Qe7 35. b4 Bd6 36. Qf3 c5 37. Ra6 Qb7 38. Rxd6 Nxd6 39. bxc5 Ne4 40. Qg4+ Kf7 41. Nd4 Nxc5 42. Qg6+ Ke7 43. f5 Qd7 44. Qxh6 exf5 45. Qg5+ Kf7 46. Bxf5 Qd6 47. Bg4 Rg8 48. Qf5+ Kg7 49. Bf3 Rd8 50. Qg5+ Kh7 51. Bg4 Qxg3+ 52. Kxg3 Ne4+ 53. Kh4 Nxg5 54. Kxg5 Rb8 55. Nc6 Re8 56. Nb4 Re3 57. Bf5+ Kg7 58. Bd3 Re5+ 59. Kg4 Kf6 60. h4 Re8 61. Bxb5 Rd8 62. Bd3 d4 63. c4 Ke6 64. h5 Kd6 65. h6 Rd7 66. h7 Rd8 67. Nd5 Rd7 68. h8=Q Rb7 69. Qf6+ Kd7 70. c5 Kc8 71. Qf8+ Kd7 72. Qe7+ Kc6 *
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[@user-np9hb8tj6q]

Stockfish is currently the strongest chess engine better than lc0 , dragon, torch , berserk and all the other ai engines but the thing is that stockfish is not undefeatable it has lost many game pairs against lc0 , torch , dragon and even berserk

[@moussakaba7676]

Correction: Torch always finished 3rd in rapid, behind Stockfish and Lc0. It indeed always finished 2nd in all blitz and bullet tournaments

[@richi2870]

💯

[@landoc05]

Leela depends on GPU. Their CPUs are excellent but their GPUs are limited. Also, Torch's code was private. For all we know, it was yet another fork of Stockfish, and that's why it was so strong.

[@raylopez99]

+1 for this comment, and it reopens a can of worms among developers with various famous chess engines in the past.

[@mpmpm]

"Torch's code was private. For all we know, it was yet another fork of Stockfish": Rybka's code was private too, still they found out there was code in it, which was taken from other chess programs. Just like all chess programs, btw.

[@shouldersofgiants4649]

"Good artists copy great artists steal!" Sad, but true. There is no artistic endeavor that is ever completely original

[@Sheepo91]

Keep covering the top engines, they're pretty much the only chess videos I watch.

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Today another one

[@shawnnevalainen1337]

Thanks for sharing these engine games. I really enjoy them.

[@62calum]

Thanks torch for lighting up the chess world.

[@landoc05]

My reply is not posting for some reason. To clarify: Rybka's code was proprietary, but the program is commercial. You could buy Rybka and test it, and reverse-engineer it if you found it suspicious after testing. Torch's code is _private_ : you cannot buy the program, you can only use it to analyze games through their web interface. You have no access to the software to test it and compare it, and reverse-engineer it if necessary.

[@blijebij]

Shutdown of the Torch project is really a loss! I really,hope another competitor rises up to challenge Stockfish! Great commentary as always ;) thanks Jozarov!

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

A great endgame, after some dazzling tactics. Yes that is our fish. It was good to have hope for a while. Yes Torch was good. Thanks Josip.

[@walterhuff3483]

Leela always finished 2nd in rapid torch doesn't hold a torch (pun intended) to leela

[@thwaib100]

Thanks jozarov, Nice covering , Torch played game 525 vs cassia with black pieces, a game from outer space

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Yeah I saw, the only winning game with black in the whole event, I will cover the game for sure.

[@shouldersofgiants4649]

Andrew didn't say Torch wouldn't play in future CCC events, did he?

[@Life-Sky]

This is like a Computer funeral omg... Also I'm surprised Stockfish took the lead back, why was it weaker in the earier games? Maybe it didn't had the optimal settings or was it just the positions?

[@labfoebaofi1847]

Because smaller number of games has smaller statistical accuracy

[@GeorgeEpting]

I love all your comments you guys leave on this one😊

[@Corteum]

Nice game. Very instructive.

[@GeorgeEpting]

Well well a course,of course my cause and effect I created 😮

[@ivanimre8473]

Please download link, Torch 2 Thx!

[@raylopez99]

Fun fact: chess playing programs are written so the best moves are usually found within five seconds. In fact some developers say if an improvement to Elo cannot be found in five seconds of time it's not even used. Consequently these programs play "nearly as good" at blitz as they do at longer time controls.

[@raylopez99]

Of course, the longer you let the engine run the stronger it gets, the rule of thumb is doubling the amount of time (or clock) yields about 75 Elo points.

[@GeorgeEpting]

And we know the real reason 😮

[@carlkim2577]

What happened?

[@GeorgeEpting]

@@carlkim2577 alright this is easier than writing my jbird so let's get to it ,your question said what happen which means to take place and or occur which it did and I said reason and it is the power of the mind to think,understand and form judgements by a process of logic in this case 2 principle logic's that's one or the other and or both and I don't have the details.

[@GeorgeEpting]

But not the smartest😮

[@p3terneverl4nd]

whatever. Stockfish team bought out Torch team. Money talks. Peace

[@user-ws7kp1yh9l]

Fun fact: Stockfish team has zero funds

[@labfoebaofi1847]

No they didn't. Where did you hear that from, lmao