Cam Replacement on a Milwaukee 8 Harley Davidson Touring Bike : Weekend Wrenching

[@jpcycles]

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[@kevinsiebenaler4575]

Did you use the big brown seal that goes into the case between the pump and the case?

[@DominatorMods]

What do you think the best cam install would be for a 2011 Electra glide limited? I just picked it up and it has pretty much nothing done to it. There are Vance and hines pipes on it at the moment but other than that its stock. Im looking here on our Cyclegear site and see way too many options.I dont plan on doing a big bore or anything for a while if at all. With the amount of time i spend at our store i dont really have the time to mess with a huge build lol.

[@garyrohlman6013]

This guy is a first class professional at teaching...

[@ChrisStanfield]

I watched this entire video trying to figure out how I could fly this dude out to do all my motor work. By far, this is one of the best, most detailed cam videos I've ever seen. His pride, knowledge and attention to detail was spot on as well. Great job.

[@davidson2004fatboy]

trying to figure out how I could fly this dude out to do all my motor work. U COULD START by SENDING HIM an AIRPLANE TICKET 🤔

[@ChrisB10]

Same. I know a little but far from a mechanic. If I knew it wad a guy like this and not some young kid doing my install I'd just pay to get it done but this video has me considering just doing it myself

[@elliottramos2149]

@@davidson2004fatboy gotta get in contact with him first dumbass. Can’t just send a plane ticket

[@reconhell1]

Almost every time I’m installing an upgrade on my RKS I hear Patrick in my head. I replayed this video more times than I care to admit while installing my new cam. Thank you for all the help, Patrick!

[@Andy-px1mj]

Such a great instructor. I’m no mechanic but with you, step by step, I think I could do it.

[@jpcycles]

Thanks man

[@davidmatias6239]

Totally agree, I think I could also tackle it . Love the detail explanation

[@MrHog789]

I a retired Machinist of 36 years and this was the best tutorial I have ever seen. This guy should be an instructor. I would love to do an Apprenticeship with him.

[@DONALD-MAGA]

I'm sure you know what you're doing but since you took the cam cover off anyway, why didn't you take it off before you cut your push rods? You need to show these new DIY guys that the timing marks are your best friend for finding TDC. For you guys who don't know, when the timing marks are aligned on the two sprockets, you are at TDC on the rear cylinder. Cut your rear pushrods now. Rotate the engine 360 degrees so that the dot on the pinion sprocket is back to the top and the dot on the cam sprocket is at the top also, cut your front push rods. So much easier and precise than the method you are showing in the video.

[@johnbeardsley7360]

thanks for the tip, much easier to understand .

[@MiracleMadao]

Is that also the case when putting in the new push rods?

[@DONALD-MAGA]

Jovito Garcia absolutely. Your lifters have to be on the base circle of the cam when adjusting the pushrods. You are on the base circle for the rear cylinder when your timing marks are aligned. Just as I described above. Have fun.

[@MiracleMadao]

@@DONALD-MAGA Thank you, wanted to confirm that instead of assuming and potentially damaging my bike.

[@DONALD-MAGA]

@@MiracleMadao Fuel Moto did a video of installing adjustable pushrods. At 2:20 into the video they tell you just what I said : kzbin.info/www/bejne/r165h2OjgJZga6s

[@TM-nd6ki]

Thanks Patrick!!! I just installed this kit, with the 465C cam, by using this video. It worked! I would say pretty much any viewer can do the same. I just kept rewinding the video on my phone as I did the work and copied him exactly. I have to say that this video is all you need for instructions to install this kit. Took me one weekend. The biggest time sucker on this job was to procure all the right tools, bearing puller/installer tool, and funky allen and torks sizes for the various Harley-Davidson screws/bolts. Every time I thought I had what I needed, I then needed a different size. SUPER IMPORTANT: THERE IS A NEW SEAL YOU WILL NEED THAT IS NOT IN THE VIDEO! It will go behind the new oil pump just before you install the oil pump!!! There is a 2" diameter by 1/8" wide groove on the back of the new S&S oil pump for it. Harley-Davidson holds the patent on this special seal, so you can only get it from Harley-Davidson. S&S doesn't give you one with their kit because they aren't allowed to. That is why it is not in the video above and not in the S&S kit written instructions either. It will be the first thing you do when pushing on the new oil pump. Make sure you have it on the back of the new oil pump first!!! Harley-Davidson Part Number for this very important seal is 62400205. Cost me I think $15. You will need this special seal or your work is for nothing and the motor will be ruined without it. You will need one even on the 2018 model M8, which didn't come with one on the original HD oil pump in the first place. Just get the new seal by the part number, not the bike year. Anyone thinking about installing a S&S 465C cam kit with oil pump, cam plate, lifter anti-rotation pieces, tappets, pushrods into their stock M8 107, Just Do It Now! Your labor=Free, S&S kit with cam is about $1800. Night and day difference, Night and day! The exhaust note doubled in loudness and the galloping idle lope is intoxicating! My stock 2018 107 M8 Deluxe used to drop off power at 4000rpms like the brakes were being applied. Not any more! it just keeps going faster and faster, pulling and pulling. I gotta say it again, Night and Day difference!!!

[@royrodgers757]

I just installed this from watching the video myself. One thing I want to know is when rotating the back tire it’s smooth then get a little tight for maybe a 1/5 of the revolution! Did you experience this?

[@717Chris]

So he missed a step and did not tell us about it?

[@j-techadventures6312]

@@717ChrisI think it’s an optional extra that not everyone knows about. It’s most likely a “just do it cos you’re there” thing, I think 🤔

[@stevie3screens]

As someone who has rebuilt various engines, this is simply the best video you will see on camshaft removal and installation on an M8. Well done J&P 👏👏👏

[@rickharris323]

Excellent video! I've seen a lot of these types of tutorials ... this is one of the best. For those who wonder if they can do the work themselves ... you have to ask yourself if the guy you are paying hours of labor has the same attention to detail as Patrick when it comes to torque specs, clearances, o-ring installation, cleanliness, "Oops-I-dropped-the-camshaft-on-the-floor, it-looks-ok-to-me", etc. You'll never know, unless you do the work YOURSELF!

[@jpcycles]

Thanks man. Glad you like them, we try.

[@tyronedavis8126]

Yeah, I think that’s my issue. I don’t have a tech I can trust right now. I know if I do it, I will make sure it’s done right, even if it takes me all day or weekend. I know three guys that had stage 2s done at the Harley dealership in the last 6 months and the mechanics screwed up something that created and engine problem.

[@davescott2485]

Anyone who watches a DIY video NEEEDS clear, step by step details. Certainly got them here. Not something I'm doing but watched the whole video anyway. Great job sir!! Thanks..

[@bigblue3568]

He left out quite a few major important details..

[@toddfatta2904]

Just installed the 475c Kit used this video and some others for references. I have never done this to a motorcycle before. Took my time and was like a walk in the park. Thanks for the video saved me some money and I get to say that I did the work myself!

[@jpcycles]

Nice!

[@aortiz1105]

Todd any issues that wasn’t covered in the video? Thinking of doing this.

[@toddfatta2904]

@@aortiz1105 none that I can think of. My bike is running like a champ now. Made 108 hp and 124 tq. And no big drops in the torque curve either. This was by far the best video if you ask me.

[@bcelectricco]

@@toddfatta2904 what exhaust are you running?

[@toddfatta2904]

@@bcelectricco RCX 2 into 1. Sound is awesome on it.

[@altonneese3315]

Out of ALL the videos I have watched on all kinds of different things.. this is by far the best one I've seen. You're taking your time explaining something very well to people that has never done something like this. Thank you for a great video!!!

[@51panhead51]

Been working on harleys for 40 years This feller is very thorough and explains things very very well.many people dont wish to install the S+S cam plate or oil pump which is crazy but the extra expense deters many customers

[@FTC-NYC]

This video is by far the best detailed and explained video on KZbin... Great job explaining every aspect of the removal/install

[@TheDrgrim]

dis guys should get an educational award very very good instructions and steps this will help me alot keep up da good work

[@koreegarrett4997]

I've been looking for this video for months now. Great walkthrough!

[@Frostytravels]

One thing, no mention on runout on output shaft. S&S has specifics on run out prior to installation. So you may have purchased something you can not use. Runout is important. Always check pinion runout.

[@Wrath0365]

Great video, I think the only thing left out, unless I missed it, was soaking and shooting some oil into the lifters prior to install to get the air out. Not sure if that's necessary, but that is what I was taught by some solid technicians. Every step was easily communicated and this is my favorite cam install video on KZbin.

[@williammason8566]

I was wondering the same thing. It’s called priming. I was under the impression soak them in oil for 24 hours prior to the installation.

[@TM-nd6ki]

S&S already has it done and ready to go for you in the kit. The tappets com in a thick plastic zip bag, presoaked in oil. The bike started up and "clacked" for about 1 second and then it went away.

[@DVDsNFC]

What a brilliant video whilst in lock down. What a great job Patrick.

[@jpcycles]

Thanks man - Patrick

[@MangoPickles89]

awesome video , I got an S&S camchest kit, with a different cam, took me about 7 hours, the longest was taking the tappet blocks on and putting them back on. it was tedious .

[@WDStock_man]

This is great stuff. ALL of the other videos just assume your supposed to know what the plate is and exactly how to use. They skip over important details that dont allow you to do the job. KUDOS man. Great video. Im learning because im going to do my own Stage 2

[@jean-philippepelan4594]

Great video as usual. You used three and a half turns adjustment for quickees and S&S installation instructions and video says four full turns. Why did you choose this setting ? Thank you.

[@wanaraz]

You are the best teacher I ever watched on videos. You answered all those little questions that come into mind while wrenching. Thanks you.

[@jpcycles]

Thanks, we try to be as thorough as possible. All those questions are the sames ones I wished I had answers to the first time I did these jobs. - Patrick

[@roadassassin9445]

You definitely should be my instructor because your step by step method and explanatory is on point thank you for the time and effort on your u tube video your the truth that is why I subscribe to your channel looking forward for more

[@tallmike6598]

Great job with the video I felt like a student in a classroom while watching it..

[@bobkinney2430]

I love this cam upgrade videos. Been watching several Harley kit upgrades. This was very well done!

[@quintonfoust7794]

Im pretty mechanically inclined. Worked on cars for years and built many 2 stroke race motors. Brand new to harleys though. This has me 100% thinking I'll be doing my cam upgrade myself soon as my warranty is up.

[@lancestrawser2233]

That was one of the best step by step installs I’ve ever watched. Finally someone showed what puller and how it’s used to remove and install the inner cam bearing. I was wondering if you installed new tappets with this cam swap? Great video! Thanks !!

[@JoeFurtado-xv5no]

Great video just something from the fueling kit instructions I used on my S&S install when you’re looking for TDC compression stoke for cutting out your stock pushrods remove the cam plate cover line up the timing marks then the rear cylinder is at TDC adjust put timing marks 180 degrees away from each other the front cylinder is at TDC real simple way of doing it and it being perfect.

[@hydroboy35th]

Great job of explaining every step. Much better than just doing it and not saying anything.

[@BaggerBro]

maaaaaan best M8 Cam install video out there !!! great job J&P Cycles!!!!!!

[@jpcycles]

Thanks man - Patrick

[@1nkr3dibl3]

Watched this video a few times. Just successfully installed a Star 30/30 cam on my '20 114ci RGS. Thanks for all this info. It sounds like a beast now

[@michaelbenson8652]

Working at a harley dealer, we use the screaming eagle adjustable pushrod kit and fueling tappets. No waiting tlfor anything to drain. It's instant. We can do every lifter and pushrod setup within a few minutes.

[@ecrusch]

That was really awesome to watch. I always learn a lot from watching you guys do these kinds of jobs. Thanks a lot. Eric, central Florida

[@jpcycles]

Thats why we do it. Thanks for watching Eric.

[@paulpickford4074]

Absolutely the best cam install video I've seen, excellent.

[@kstuber564]

Thank you Patrick and JP Cycles. I did my M8 cam upgrade following your excellent instructions.

[@timwheeler5505]

As with all of your videos, well illustrated, well explained, and well done! Thank your sir!

[@steventwiddy3402]

I love your videos, your a great instructor and really have a knack for explaining things

[@williamkeener682]

This is the best M8 Cam change video I have seen Thank you very much !!!!!!!!

[@noneofyodamnbidness6373]

Excellent video!!! I have watched several videos on how to install the Cam and Oil pump and this by far was the Best! Thank you! This just saved me tons of money. Plus doing the work my self I know it was done right! Great job sir!

[@PogiMCGINTO]

Did my cams by my self by watching your video thank you

[@robertcurtis9449]

That was intense! Will definitely be paying a master mechanic to do this job

[@davidcapstick3689]

Fantastic video i couldn't do anything like this but love watching a professional at work you explain every little detail awesome

[@madfzr]

Great video. Upgrading harley davidson cheap ass plastic is a must

[@shepherdsking9687]

I agree. I'm doing a Red shift 468 in my 18' RK, but while REMOVING the STOCK front cylinder plastic cuff bolt, and it was very stubborn, the flippin head of the bolt broke!!! Needless to say, it's been a nightmare trying to get the stuck bolt out.

[@shepherdsking9687]

Harley must have a deal with Loctite because there was a crapton of it on the rear cylinder cuff bolt, as well and everything else I had to remove to get access to the cam chest cover and the tappet covers.

[@louisluongo5987]

To make finding the base circles easier for install of push rods, before you install the tappet block covers, with the top of the tappets visible, could you rotate and mark on the cam sprocket where the F and R base circles are? Seems easier then trying to finger it with the tappet covers on. Great video by the way, i'm knee deep in the middle of my cam swap and not looking forward to trying to identify the base circles with the covers on. Anyway, thanks for the information!!

[@steelriggins2101]

I have watched a lot of videos preparing for my own cam install and this is by far the best I have seen. My only question is he never mentioned the inner O-ring for the oil pump that sets against the case. But every other one I've seen has talked about installing that if it wasn't there. Does anybody know what the correct answer is. Thanks again for the wonderful video

[@WDStock_man]

Thank you for you help video. I just completed my Stage 2 off your video. My check valve is leaking now so I have to replace it before I try out .y S&S Cam

[@rjmoulton4388]

Great video! no step was overlooked, and everything was explained perfect

[@marcusruiz5446]

Great video, I just installed the whole kit with this video.....great instructor!

[@richardedwin5980]

Awesome. Glad you finally put out a video on the M8 cam swap. Been waiting. Looks pretty much the same as the V-Twin. How long did it actually take you? Love the simple instruction and clear camera angles of your videos. Makes it even more tempting to take on the task.

[@jpcycles]

Thanks man. If you're doing the job with the exhaust and intake already on and you're not a "professional" in a shop, I would say plan on a Saturday. It generally takes me around 4 hours or so working time (not filming).

[@1Bowtieluvr]

Excellent video. I believe I now have the confidence to do my own installation when i get all my parts. Thanks!!

[@hybridgsxr750]

great video, super detailed. Love the paperclip trick and the use of the specialty tools.

[@jonbassett8023]

Another outstanding video by J & P!! Thanks for your efforts and stellar instructional videos!! AND superior products online! I buy from you often! Next up for me: a RED SHIFT 468 camshaft upgrade on my 2019 Special!

[@denniscicero6118]

Patrick, awesome job, great explanation, very thorough, made it easy to understand, thank you very much 🙏

[@kevinclark7742]

To start, GREAT explanation of a cam swap but i noticed you say " were gonna rotate the wheel to make sure theres no binding" in a couple of steps here, but what would you do if something IS binding up? ie lifters or oil pump and cam chest.

[@TM-nd6ki]

The S&S kit I got came with a new chain tensioner too. It was a pretty complete kit, minus the special Harley-Davidson seal for the back of the oil pump.

[@geneplaisance8290]

Is the seal needed or can one do without it?

[@wolfattack402000]

Excellent video, very thorough. One note, S&S also makes an after market cam chain tensioner. While you have it apart, may as well install that too.

[@dirtydingo49]

Awesome video brother. I hope to see further videos from you. Great job. Thank you sir.

[@joshstucker4250]

The link for the sprocket tool isn’t correct. I ordered it and it wont fit a M8. The correct one is 910-972 or 994

[@johnchargualaf6599]

Awesome video the step by step instructions by far the Best video cam install out there. 5 ⭐️.

[@SpitFire01]

Great video! Wish this video came out when I put my s&s cam in, I had a lot of questions that needed to be answered but I got it done!

[@HOONRZ]

Great to see This so in depth perfect instructions very professional I wish when paying for these installs at our local Harley shops they would let the owners watch them I always wondered with a s&s kit would the Harley tech or person go to this exact procedure as in every detail you explained great video

[@johncasor9698]

if a customer was to come back into the shop to watch a service tech work on the bike the customer would try to ask 4 billion questions and distract the service tech ...

[@SmittybuiltHD]

Great detailed instructions on this video. You make it look easy! I know its a process though. Question....Instead of using the urethane gear teeth locking gadget, couldn't you just lower the bike so the rear wheel is on the ground? Wouldn't that in essence have the same effect so you could break the cam sprocket bolts free and for torquing back down?

[@danielmolina5130]

Hands down great video! Better explained then my MMI class. Maybe it was due to COVID.. half online and half in person. Either way, great video!!

[@steveschmidt126]

Great video. One point that cam and crank gear bolts must be replaced for each time they are torqued. I had one break due to not being replaced.

[@vicmanjw]

Great video👍🏻 one question when you mention the 12 and 6 o’clock on the rotors please explain about the 6 o’clock piece

[@tahawknv4]

AWESOME video! What about upgrading the chain tensioner? Or just stick with the O.E.?

[@capecodbiker9902]

Awesome video I’m installing this to mine. So question it’s 20 flats. Is 4 turns or 3 1/2. I’m getting different answer

[@MrTheDays1]

Same

[@이재학-s6p]

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[@jayzee1968]

I see in other replace/install videos where they all show the lifters sitting/bathing in a jar of some sort of oil before they are dropped back onto the bike. Didn’t see that here. Question is, is that a required step? Thanks in advance.

[@starkiz]

if the cam needle bearing is 1mm further in, is it harmful? It's like 0.5-0.6mm over playroom.. tapped my bearing litel to far 😅

[@StudioELW405]

Really makes you appreciate and want to hold onto your old evo big twin ! Haha just bustin balls great video !

[@Gunker02]

And I've all of a sudden decided I want to be a mechanic and install this on my bike. 😄

[@rickcoover9022]

excellant video very informative andeasy to understand him ! nice job ! i was panicing on what i was gonna do if or when my 02 softail needed to have the cam upgrades done becauseim used to ole shovels and pans evos so not really wanting to attack this job and being a broke ass cant afford to have sombody do it for me i feel much more at ease knowing i just need some more tools which i think i can barrow or rent from a local shop so just need the parts now ! thank you for this boost of confadence !

[@rcnages]

Do you recommend putting a new crank sprocket in when replacing Cam? perhaps an Andrews?

[@franciscvarga1212]

man i would like you to work on my bike, such a relaxed knowledgeable person.

[@chriscooper3059]

Why do you use a thinner washer on the bottom sprocket? What is the purpose of changing it to a smaller washer?

[@ryans6073]

Rebuilding my motor, previous fuel moto pushrods getting replaced with the s&s kit shown in video, I could only order the chrome kit and I already used oem Harley pushrod covers in black. False information that the s&s need shorter covers, was worried when that was stated, my fuel moto push rods are 3/8” longer than the s&s which just barely squeeze in between the tappet covers, S&S kit should have zero issues using oem covers

[@darrinleazer6784]

That's the one problem I am having trouble with, and' that is finding a tuner, that I need to get. I have a 2015 Fatboy and' as you can see' it came with a aftermarket air cleaner and V/H shortly style pipes. It sounds good, the way it is' but' would like a bigger cam, that's designed for using the stock springs. I am planning on getting the S&S cam plate and oil pump. Just need to know what a good low/mid range torque cam brand for it, and' a tuner.

[@sportgliderider]

Great video, i dont have plans to do this at the moment, but good to know it can be done with the tools i have

[@davidburleson4812]

This was really great video, and also very informative. I learned a lot, and like others have said you're a very good teacher. I was wondering however, the difference between the blue and red lock tight. Is it a heat thing, or a hold thing that differentiate the two?

[@TM-nd6ki]

The blue is medium strength holding power, for bolts you would remove for servicing things later. The red is usually figured for bolts you don't ever need or want to remove later. Supposed to be a super high strength permanent glue.

[@amberbali8881]

Great video, thank you. One question, have you had any issues with the bolt breaking when removing it to remove the tappet cuffs? Have heard some horror stories about this due to too much thread lock on the bolt. Have heard it's advisable to use some heat on those bolts prior to removal. Would like to know if you have encountered this? Thanks.

[@davidson2004fatboy]

Milwaukee 8 is a FINE BOAT ANCHOR

[@richardedwin5980]

At the 29:20 or so mark you talk about using thinner washers on the timing sprocket...why is that? Why not use the stock washer?

[@rsbharley4766]

Excellent video. Fantastic detailed walk through, thank you so much for sharing. Cheers

[@erikshaw1909]

Badass and very helpful to get me set up to do mine tonight!

[@johnsurgenor6291]

Very well explained, can you do a video on a installation of a 124 ci big bore kit. Cheers 🍻

[@evgeniygundarev]

Best video for my HD! thanks Men

[@mattyvsmithy]

Excellent video! Really enjoyed it and everything was very well explained. 10/10 liked and subscribed.

[@garyjackson578]

This is really a great video for the process!! Great instructor thanks!!

[@Redwing-jd8rf]

Great video it helped me do this project myself.. saved a ton of money

[@RoadGlideSTShenanigans]

Can't wait to do the install on my Road Glide ST, waiting for the specialty tools that are required... HPI full exhaust with Power Vision for the tuner. The only doubt I have is if I should also replace the intake since ST models come with a heavy breather intake... let me know what your thoughts are on that. Thanks!

[@kurtisroberts8485]

Great video! Now if only I had some extra scratch to buy a new cam kit 😅 seriously tho, when I do get one this makes me feel like I cab do it

[@charlescastell4638]

Appreciate this video; I'm getting ready to do this very job on my M8. Question: I did not see the seal from the back of the O.E. oil pump get transferred to the new pump. Is it needed with the new pump, or not? Thanks much.

[@EdHamilton-m3k]

Hi Pat!! I like the small torque wrench you are using. Could you possibly give me the source for one or does J&P sell one? Thanks, Great video!! Let me know.

[@joecolbert2077]

Can you do a video on the harley m8 problem where there is a fluid transfer between the transmission and clutch. I have a 17 limited twin cooled with this problem and there seems to have very little information on the Internet with this.

[@matthewlidel4324]

Joe Colbert Harley says they have a fix for that they increased the pushrod size a bit but I haven’t done it let waiting on s&s or fueling to come up with a fix.

[@garyjackson578]

DOC HARLEY has a pretty good explaination video of the oil transfer problem and what HD is doing to rectify it...

[@WDStock_man]

The release cut gear is not sliding over the shaft as if it doesn't fit.what should I do to get it down the shaft

[@apjacks1]

Excellent detail and description of specialty tools required

[@ispt17]

Well after looking to this video, i am confident to do it my self, i got the parts.

[@PeterSmith-or3pq]

Yes. Right of left and left Centre 🇨🇦