The Bloody Origins of the Texas Rangers

[@614XJ]

What about The Ranger with the Big Iron on his hip?

[@evanmalcolm5296]

GreyC5 he was an Arizona ranger

[@Azza842]

🎶Big iron on his hiiiiiiip🎶

[@TheLurpist]

Wasn't long before the story was relaid to Texas Red.

[@TheWhatisthemeaningo]

Making me wanna play fallout new Vegas again 😭😭🙁

[@Roman-sd1go]

Thought you was talking bout Marty Robins?

[@kentuckyjustice1408]

The reason the rangers used to dismount to fight is because they couldn't shoot, then reload their Kentucky rifles on horseback; they were muzzle loaders. After they became accustomed to their new six shooters, they learned to shoot on horseback. They soon began carrying extra loaded cylinders to cut down on reloading time; kind of the first "speed loaders". The rest is history.

[@leahflower9924]

I'm surprised he didn't mention that the Europeans imported horses to the new world lol that means the natives always fought on foot

[@darbyheavey406]

The Union Cavalry adopted the fight dismounted model late in the Civil War despite the high utilization of repeating rifles. It depended on the combat situation.

[@kalbokanokuripotloko9566]

@@leahflower9924 He did, on another clip, inform us of what we already knew, that The Spanish bought horses here in the 1400s. This is only a clip of a longer video.

[@amosfamous7327]

@@leahflower9924 They did but in the 1700s the Comanches started their horse collection and dominated.

[@joes1429]

I also heard of them just carrying multiple loaded pistols too

[@michaelrhudak]

My dad passed away 6 months ago and he would've loved this episode so much, dang.

[@GhostofCTC]

Michael Hudak sorry for your loss brother

[@michaelrhudak]

@@GhostofCTC Thanks much.

[@ajax54]

May he rest in peace. My condolences man

[@krlfc5869]

Sorry man

[@parabola8933]

Tell him about the episode. He'll hear you. Keep your mind clear and try not to get caught up in your grief and you'll feel his presence.

[@jopo7996]

The Texas Rangers were tough. Especially Nolan Ryan.

[@jamesdavis9686]

Ask Robin Ventura

[@jopo7996]

@@jamesdavis9686 exactly!

[@thetruthisoutthere1661]

LOL

[@yongwoo1020]

He’s really an Astro...

[@AlanHernandez-jn2mp]

@@yongwoo1020 & a Ranger

[@jasonhall947]

The pistol he is talking about is the 1847 Colt Walker. Supposedly, a requirement for the design was to be able to disable a horse at 100 yards with one shot. Though it was a black powder pistol, it wasn’t surpassed in muzzle energy until the development of the .357 Magnum almost a century later. One recently sold at auction for $1.8 million.

[@lukewarmwater6412]

well, a 65 grain powder charge. think about that. the .45/70 only used 5 more grains of powder....in a big ass rifle!!

[@jasonhall947]

@@lukewarmwater6412 Yes, indeed.

[@leahflower9924]

I like the rangers clothes and the civil war uniforms and the German uniforms between WW1 and WW2 whoops is that wrong lol

[@lukewarmwater6412]

The Walker was nowhere near the dragoon. 65 grains of powder in a pistol! ... yes rangers used walkers, but the dragoon is what you are thinking of. It went into limited production almost exclusively for Texas rangers.

[@chthonicfish1]

Have you read "Blood Meridian" by Cormac McCarthy? The Whitneyville Colts figure prominently.

[@OdintheGermanShepherd]

Everyone knows Augustus McRae and Woodrow Call were the greatest Texas Rangers......

[@jdoerr779]

All you can name are inferior to Cordell Walker

[@OdintheGermanShepherd]

@@jdoerr779 never heard of her.

[@krusher74]

@@jdoerr779 what about walker?

[@shepdaggett]

What about Jack Hayes? John Coffee? Tf y’all goofy

[@demeanor3704]

What about chuck Norris?

[@Bran-don321]

God made man and Colt made them all equal.

[@Neo-ti2rz]

That line is a reference to the Original man "Black man" and the gun giving the white man power. You aint shit without a gun.

[@DankSi]

@@Neo-ti2rz nobody is shit without a gun

[@blueyedevildarkness7649]

@@DankSi well said

[@trollpolice]

@@Neo-ti2rz Arabs and Africans sold Africans to the White man.

[@barrypilon168]

Neo ya because ur a real beast bud

[@thetonycam3944]

When you realize an 8 minute JRE clip had more information than an hour long white-washed, heavily euphamized History channel episode.

[@3dheadcreeps87]

The Tony Cam - Old school history channel was pretty good. And despite the incoming comments of “left wing media bias” or whatever bullshit, you still learned a lot in those old docuprograms.

[@RichardCranium321]

They still cover history??🤔 coulda fooled me

[@AlexanderSimic]

Mainstream media is cancer...

[@RichardCranium321]

@@AlexanderSimic it gives viewers, like me, anal glaucoma.... I just can't see my ass doing it anymore! 😂

[@crunch9876]

Alex Simic JRE is also mainstream media btw

[@TBM_arms]

Damn here in Texas we take Texas history as our social studies credit in 7th grade lol

[@avenuex3731]

Quannah Parker must have been a truly singular leader. My grandmother met him once and was impressed enough to recount the experience several times. Never once mentioned her grandfather who was a Ranger.

[@JohnBullard]

The Texas Rangers by Walter Prescott Webb. THE definitive book on the Rangers. Incredible book. You can't put it down. Toughest mofos ever. General Bismarck considered them the greatest fighting force in the world at that time. Captain Jack Hays was described as utterly fearless.

[@carlosfuentes5207]

They're pieces of shit , they were paid mercenaries and killed innocents

[@jamiekostecky9349]

@@carlosfuentes5207 I'm native and I think they sum bad mff

[@JohnJones-rg4cv]

Walter Prescott Webb wrote a number of interesting books on Old Texas.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Toughest mofos ever...if you don't know world history. Utter and usual yank wank.

[@RT-tn3pu]

Yes, and let's not forget to face truth that they for more 60 yrs were nothing but a white men only crew that openly murdered children, women, the elderly and innocent minorities in the thousands. The TRs thru vigorously held moves have avoided accountability for these crimes. Nor have they acknowledged said crimes. "Any man once confronted with his demons that turns & runs away is a coward with no integrity. "

[@josefadams647]

The book from SC Gwynne about the Comanches is one of the greatest historical books I've ever read.

[@srsucioguapodelsur8845]

"...you don't hear that much about the Comanches" Come on down to Texas, we'll tell ya all about 'em.

[@bhud1972]

SrSucioGuapo DelSur I have family that lives in a county where they loved Comanche Indians so much, they named the county after them.

[@meetyomaker2396]

dood poop I live next to beltline rd and Arapaho rd lol

[@meetyomaker2396]

dood poop tx has a lot of streets named after tribes and people

[@MrJaZzLeX]

my town is called Camanche, Iowa no clue if it has any relations with the Comanche

[@hospitalcorps7980]

@@meetyomaker2396 richardsom?

[@Crowwtf]

I read a quote from a texas ranger in "bury my heart at wounded knee" and he said: "if there was ever more then 10,000 comanchee they would ride to washington and burn down the white house"

[@strateshooter1402]

That is bull shit .

[@RockyMountainWest13]

@@strateshooter1402 learn history bud. It’s not BS. The Comanche were some of the most ferocious fighters in the world at that time. They were masters on horseback, and mastered shooting the bow. They also mastered the use of bow and horse together.

[@eurobrowarriormonk7182]

@T Rocka its all bullshit. never happen. a nation that fought the greatest empire in world history against all odds for its freedom then 80 years later fought amongst it own leaving dead by the hundreds of thousands. get out of here with pot smoke unicorn fairy tale wishing

[@samwell707]

Bury my heart at wounded knee is a major revisionist history

[@strateshooter1402]

@Bright Light What's delusional is an adult naming themself "Bright Light" . That's fucking rich !

[@chiefhindsightanalyst3476]

When the eyes of the ranger are upon you, any wrong you do he’s going to see. When you’re in Texas look behind you, because that’s where the rangers going to be.

[@Calilou52]

@New Keys lol tf

[@Calilou52]

@New Keys sounds like a personal problem

[@krazykoala419]

You just like shot a flashback of nostalgia straight to my head

[@matalimanaito6341]

Chinaman also kicked that rangers ass after ripped chest hairs from chest

[@republicaninfidel2221]

Bare back

[@snicholelx]

The Apache, Comanche and Mohawks were so badass. My favorite class I ever took in college was native Americans studies where we focused on those three tribes.

[@stevenseagal9911]

"I hate Mexicans." - Geronimo

[@ezboriquabrickcity8322]

You’re fire shorty

[@meansteve3602]

@@dffndjdjd Mohawks were the same. Hated by many many other Canadian First Nations

[@ZekeMan62]

@@dffndjdjd Right, especially the Comanche. Their tribe name actually means "enemy of everyone forever," or basically: enemy of the human race. They were hated by all the other native tribes in Texas long before the White settlers arrived. Many of those tribes actually allied and fought with the Whites against the Comanche. They were sick of them too. The Comanche were only respected by other tribes as a formidable enemy, but they were seen as contemptible and demonic murderers and criminals.

[@Waithuhh]

@@dffndjdjd If you go back far enough in any group, you are bound to find somethings negative. You don't have to idolize it, but the people who faced them sure af respected what they were and capable of doing.

[@crippletron6879]

Man, i remember being excited as a kid when we were headed to the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame & Museum. I was disappointed when I found out it had nothing to do with Nolan Ryan or baseball. Haha. I would like to go back because I would have actual appreciation for it now.

[@robertatkins272]

Waco Tx

[@danscott9305]

Just around the corner is the Texas sports hall of Fame. Go to both

[@johnburgos7096]

I'm dead 💀

[@lobso123]

Native American history is taught pretty in-depth in Texas.

[@iHazPwnPhone]

White mans history is taught pretty in depth in Texas

[@ericstrat3579]

Didn’t native Americans kill, steal, rape, take land and euthanize..... other native Americans...?

[@bonasty1990]

I born and raised in Texas, it just is not. The little you do learn is biased obviously.idk where you lived but we were fought just about fuck all about indigenous population.

[@ritotron5752]

@@iHazPwnPhone tell me all the good things about the Comanche way of life that I don't know. Let's hear how they were pious. They literally don't have a word for God. Their name literally just means "Enemy". Idiot.

[@bonasty1990]

@@puckered6036 man that's weird, I was in Victoria, south of Houston. I always thought west Texas was the most backwards. I always like y'all on the east, but either way I'm surprised. But I'm Burleson blood and we had alot to do with the rangers anyway

[@Texhorns71]

In Texas, we actually did learn about Quanah Parker and Cynthia Ann Parker when you had to take Texas History in Junior High. I'm not sure if they still teach that or not, but I know at one time they did.

[@akhorahil6250]

They still do. Texas history is the standard 7th grade history course.

[@mayoluck]

My Great grandmother has a family book with photos and our family tree. Her Great grandmother was Quanah daughter, we still all live her in Texas, mostly Red River area. She has a hospital in Abilene named after her, im sure there are more.

[@Thattexaslife]

Akhorahil true

[@radforduniversity6424]

We learned the real history of Texas (not whitewashed) when I was a kid back in the 80s.

[@Justme-tx]

Cptex71 I went school school went a Parker family that was part of Cynthia Ann in 7th grade, with a teacher who moved to Texas in a wagon. She was so excite to have a relative of Quanah. Then she hit the roof she realized I was a direct decent from the original 300. We were teacher pets.

[@shugzm9016]

And the swiftness of the ranger is still talked about today

[@DanielGarcia-co5iu]

Texas Red had not cleared leather when a bullet fairly ripped

[@doopmeister8676]

And the rangers aim was deadly with the big iron on his hip

[@561Arroyo]

BIG IRON ON HIS HIIIIIP

[@rznv1945]

Wasn't he an Arizona ranger?

[@mikemartinez3455]

Marty Robbins or Johnny Cash though?

[@timkoelln3826]

They are unknown to those outside of Texas but if you’re a 40 or older Texan you were taught this in school. As a multi generational Texan this is great to heat someone talking about this. There’s a town named after Quannah Parker in Texas and it’s because of the Comanche that a lot of Texas towns weren’t settled until the late 1800’s. An example is Fannin county settled in 1830’s but Comanche county not until decades later.

[@gungriffen]

Texas Rangers were basically Paramilitary that performed Law Enforcement when need be.

[@stevenwatson7668]

They went on to cross the border with Mexico to hunt down bandits they were and still are considered fearless.

[@renato7611]

*Performed colonial expansion when desired.

[@NapoleonBonaparte5]

@@renato7611 That is not what the rangers did, and anyways blaming someone for expansion and conquest in the fucking 19th century and before is rather hypocritical cuz everybody did it.

[@RomaVilla]

@@stevenwatson7668 not just bandits, Mexicans period and that was after Mexico invited the rangers to basically watch over the northern part of Mexico which is now texas. They were invited and then decided to take over the land and kick the Mexicans out of their own land.

[@RomaVilla]

@Sigma Nayo appreciate the lesson and thanks for informing me about some Texas history

[@1thess523]

Born and raised San Antonian, as a kid I always liked going to the Texas Ranger Museum that was connected to the Whittey, there was just something special about it.

[@Someone-ef9nn]

Same 🤠

[@richardkirk5098]

Me too. Love me some Texas!

[@chancebaraks741]

I learned about the rangers and Comanche while in elementary school in Fort Worth. When I moved to Tennessee the 2 most talked about natives in school were the Comanche and Cherokee

[@coahuiltejano]

Before the Texas Rangers, the Mexican & Spanish administrations had treaties with the Comanches, but they formed these flying companies composed of Mexicans, Indians, et. al. They are called "Companias voladoras" and they are written about in great detail in Tejano history....its an entire genre these days. Basically a quick mounted cavalry to respond to indian raiding

[@Nathaniel64]

In which anglos killed families. Mexican and Native American!! Wtf!

[@unclerojelio6320]

Growing up in Texas we learn about Quannah Parker.

[@samhouston1979]

If the Minnesota Vikings get to stay “vikings” then the Texas Rangers get to stay “rangers”

[@derekanderson7956]

What if I told you some of us are Rangers inside.

[@traplord1753]

Leave my Vikings out of this... 😂

[@ianmedford4855]

It always gives me a chuckle when they play Cleveland. You just know someone somewhere is furious.

[@MrJonnyblood]

@KW Pro slave owners? Source?

[@strateshooter1402]

@@MrJonnyblood For fuck's sake , don't you read ?

[@kristibowen5771]

Quanah Parker has an amazing story. My family is tied to him. One of his daughters went on to be in a silent film too. His mother Cynthia Ann was kidnapped and raised by the tribe. She suffered many hardships as well. She had 3 children and only Quanah lived. Became chief. Smart man. So much to dig in to the story. I cannot believe no one has done movie based on that story alone.

[@jakeryan2184]

Well that wouldn’t fit the “Indians are victims” scenario that the media portrays

[@mainstmechanical7932]

Yeah she had Stockholm syndrome! Her faintly was butchered by the tribe!

[@terriejohnston8801]

Kristi...Really love Quanah's story. Greatly respected amongst, not only his own blood ( family) & bands of indians..but eventually by the whites. Love all the indigenous Brothers & Sisters across our America

[@davidlemon2692]

“They dressed however they wanted...they were the Texas rangers....everyone was scared to death of them” saved the best quote till the very end. Nice!

However they dressed then, Texas Rangers all dress just alike, big cowboy hat, cowboy boots and a big buckle with a big fat gut hanging over it. They are the lowest form of life on the planet who manage to be stupid arrogant incompetent lairs. They can only exist in an environment like Texas that protects them.

[@Mv_8o5]

Raymond Gordon true

@@davidlemon2692 Obviously you have never had to deal with them, the usual chickenshit wannabes talking shit about something they know nothing about. They are cowardly tubs of lard that would shit themselves if they didn't have that badge, much like you. But you know so much, I bet you are a real bad boy lol.

[@davidlemon2692]

Raymond Gordon you’re right in that I’ve never had to deal with them. I tend to follow the laws that, if broken, have them pursue me. You sound an awful lot like a “victim” that had a run in with the law that is trying to pawn their bad choices off on the ones enforcing the law. Granted, I’ll give you the fact that there are some out there that are chickenshit n abuse their power but that’s everybody in everything. Besides, my initial comment was on the men of old. Neither you or I could hold a flame to them...

[@davidlemon2692]

Raymond Gordon let’s be honest, it’s a teeter totter that goes back and forth. On one side you have criminals being protected and on the other law enforcement. Both want the upper hand and thus both in some weird way keep each other in check. You say you’ve seen them beat, bully, and create evidence? I’ve seen it just the same on the other side. My point? If you hate the law enforcement, or Texas Rangers in this example, so much you should also hate the other side just the same but I don’t see any bashing from you about the criminals and the corruption n abuse of power they have and do. Which is obviously far worse if left unchecked compared to the rangers. Seems to me I’m better off to try and have grace for broken ppl in a broken system, who knows how I would act in any given situation they’ve been put in. The real danger to the public at large that I’m concerned about and have experienced personally is the criminals, not the rangers. The people I care for are much more likely to be directly affected by criminals, not the rangers. Granted, the rangers now days are nowhere near the rangers of the past but then again none of us are of the same caliber of the men of old. No system is perfect so I guess I’ll keep my rangers n you can have the criminals.

[@Tony-el5in]

Man I really love this podcast. I love learning about all the crazy history and science from these amazing people

[@dustinchen]

amazing lol

[@Nofashists]

As long as it’s TRUE information

[@holylambmedia]

Books are amazing I have a somewhat huge personal library centralized around black American history

[@mainstmechanical7932]

@@holylambmedia there is a lot of black history about a few people!

[@holylambmedia]

@@mainstmechanical7932 mines collection of books features a lot of unknown/not common folks like 10 Hills Farm

[@Colbyscott89]

The stars at night are big and bright 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 deep in the heart of Texas!!

[@fguzman626sa]

Hell yeah

[@Roman-sd1go]

Love ya brotha from a native Texan. The sage in bloom...🎶🎶

[@fguzman626sa]

God bless the Republic of Texas

[@J4CKTR1PP3R]

Wooooooooo

[@Grants_jams]

BLACK Face I second this

[@six-manfilms6524]

LOL you hear about this stuff all the time in Texas. "Unknown" by Carpetbaggers maybe, but probably known things by all Texas and a good number of people in the southwest.

[@TheGosslings]

Well, you're looking at the ultimate carpetbagger up there. It's a shame what is happening to your fine state. Looking forward to seeing you all take it back.

[@rrbaggett7]

@@TheGosslings What are you talking about? Who is the "ultimate carpetbagger"?

[@Nathaniel64]

The fact you called northers carpet baggers shows how racist you are!!

[@spittlefish5208]

The Walker gun he's talking about was enormous by the way; not the sort of small pistol one usually thinks of when picturing a revolver.

[@BillMcGirr]

Wasn’t it called the Texas behemoth?🤷‍♂️

[@NotOurRemedy]

Like 14” long.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

A tank on your hip

[@bl18ce99]

The Walker Colt was suggested to Colt by Capt. Samuel Walker. He wanted a six shooter so one chamber could be empty with the hammer down on that chamber. Each ranger was issued two of them. They were usually carried in holsters that were draped over the pommel of the saddle. Each set of pistols came with a cleaning kit, powder horn, and a pouch for .44 cal balls. The original Patterson was .36 caliber.

[@cgmason7568]

.44 ball and six rounds

[@donelmore2540]

It’s so interesting to see and hear Mr. Gwynne. I found his book on the Comanche some years ago and loved it. My Mother and her family came from the Panhandle of Texas and I have cousins now in the Hill Country near the Guadalupe. I sent the book to an older cousin there and sent a copy to a close friend whose family on her Mother’s side is Native American from Kansas.

[@rachelmiller9280]

OMG...another white person claiming to have native blood, most of you guys do that and there is none. I can't see how you would have native blood when you people were so busy exterminating them from the start. Small Small percentage have native blood, except the indigenous people (first nation). Geez!

[@donelmore2540]

@@rachelmiller9280 Who are you referring to? Who is the white person claiming to have native blood? My friend’s whole family has “head rights” from the Osage tribe so I’d guess it isn’t her. The Osage considers her mother and all her siblings and their children to be members.

[@rachelmiller9280]

@@donelmore2540 Oh please everyone(whites) claims "I have friends or I know someone or I have a mother whose ancestors have native blood...please. Plus to claim "Headrights" you have to have a high percentage of native blood.

[@juliostevens9480]

@@rachelmiller9280 Thing with White Americans is that a lot of people with colonial stock to the US could have had a Native ancestor but by the time it gets to the modern day person it was so far back they don’t inherit the DNA.

[@bushyokel924]

@@rachelmiller9280Okay then “rachel miller”, another white person offended for another group

[@youngvices7938]

6:05 Guy:Is that the patterson colt? Jamie: Ehh..I hope so.This is a 5 shot chamber, that was popping up with the same guy. So..(inaudible) Guy: Yeah doesn’t look like the Patterson colt-Butanyway! Joe Rogan: Be Cool man... Jamie: (mumbles motherfuck-) Jokes

[@archerj.maggott1372]

It actually looked like a bad drawing of a Colt/Ehlers Pocket Model Paterson, which had a built-in loading lever. The original Colt Paterson had no lever, and the chambers were loaded with a ramrod.

[@macmiller1678]

I read this book because of this episode and it did not disappoint. Truly one of the best books I have ever read.

[@Bennycanofbeans]

You're winning at life. Keep reading!

[@josefadams647]

i second that.

[@alice_in_pains]

The Parkers are still around and influential in my hometown of Elkhart, Texas. One of my middle school teachers was a Parker. They can trace their history all the way back to Quanah He’s kind of a legend around here lol

[@arycosta7293]

Someone needs to turn this man book into a movie.

[@foxpaws42]

Ary Costa The Searchers with John Wayne is based on the story.

[@GrozerCompozer]

They did. Dances with Wolves. Of course the Cynthia Parker story was Hollywoodized

[@z-z-z-z]

@@GrozerCompozer - dances with wolves, has nothing to do with the comanche or quannah parker. dumb comments sho nuff make me feel smart...

[@GrozerCompozer]

@@z-z-z-z The movie was explicitly written loosely based on Cynthia Parker. Not only did the producers say so, but it's also mentioned in SC Gwynnes book if you had bothered to read it. Funny how the least educated love to call other people dumb.

[@z-z-z-z]

@@GrozerCompozer - first off, i apologize for the snarky comment; was not necessary. you like indians, joe rogan , westerns and have read, "empire of the summer moon." we have these things in common! "the searchers," (old john wayne movie) was loosely based upon the cynthia parker story, although, "dances with wolves," had nothing to do with cynthia ann or the comanches. the movie was about the sioux and pawnee, for the most part. i really appreciate the fact, that you have read sc gwynnes book; not a book your average joe would read. unless, you are joe rogan, perhaps?

[@TheRealEMURSE]

On another sidenote the new movie the highwaymen was pretty good on netflix about catching bonnie and clyde. Hardcore people back then

[@TheRealEMURSE]

@ yes they ambushed them by tracking them down for weeks

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

The film was + but had a few mistakes, inaccurate bits. Woody Harrelson's Ranger character was neither poor or unemployed. After the agency was dismantled, Texas DPS hired him for the state highway patrol. His character also met up with Kevin Costner's Ranger towards the end, LA. Not with him the entire trip. The guns were authentic, IMFdb.org . ✔🎬👮🏻‍♂️🤠🎭

[@rougebaba3887]

I'm new to Joe Rogan. I am pleasantly surprised that Rogan is a pretty darn good interviewer. It often seems like he sparks a good couple of minutes of interesting discussion with an admission of his own lack of understanding about something. For example, his surprise about the Comanche not having a designated national reserve. This shows a degree of genuine curiosity. He doesn't seem concerned about demonstrating his own intellectual power or his own vast knowledge on the subject, which would make the show all about himself. Instead, he seems to be there because he is genuinely interested and wants to learn things. He doesn't go into a subject completely ignorant, which would make the questions boring. Obviously he does enough research to ask interesting questions and make good points. The result is his guest has the opportunity to dispense really interesting facts that lead into nuanced areas and the listeners get to learn things right along with Joe. Everyone wins.

[@jwright5150]

Not one mention of legendary ranger capt. Woodrow F. Call or Augustus McCrae...wtf

[@DeepTexas]

jwright5150 good ‘ol call and gus

[@pauljones9397]

Three cheers for both.

[@GrozerCompozer]

Since we are getting all fictional, Legolas was a true Comanche

[@jwright5150]

@@GrozerCompozer Hun's dont like sarcasm i guess?

[@barnesrm76]

Horseshit!

[@chrisbutler7585]

Joe's guest points out a maddening aspect of history. People only learn so much of it in school and popular culture (movies, books, etc.), but there is usually so much more. Lots of influences try to push one narrative or another for their own reasons. Some facts are ignored while others are deliberately censored for personal or political agendas.

[@VictorFoster-dr4nf]

Oh yeah! I’m 60 years old and I know I was lied to you about everything in school and nothings changed. It’s only gotten worse.

[@allan2765]

Joe mentioned "you don't hear much about the Comanche, or Quanah Parker." The author added, "Jack Hays." In the book, he also covers in great detail Ranald MacKenzie, and lays out how odd it is that Custer is remembered, and MacKenzie forgotten. Again, "Empire of the SUmmer Moon" is a great, great book.

[@ckb.6487]

Yes it was Mackenzie who beat the last squad of Comanches after chasing them into the Palo Duro Canyon.

[@ihateyankees3655]

You're massively underselling the value of dragoons. As cavalry became increasingly obsolete due to increasing firearm technology, what mattered was getting there "firstest with the mostest" as General Forrest put it.

[@ridgerunner5772]

NBF also fought dismounted, as well as, the Wilder's Brigade....

[@knoll9812]

Us civil war. Infantry massacred cavalry. Six shooters gois against Comanche and bandits Not armies

[@scamtoons]

In the Eyes of a Ranger, the unsuspecting stranger.

[@dreadheadr.e.d.8470]

HAD BETTER KNOW THE TRUTH FROM WRONG FROM RIGHT

[@TheNeufin8tor]

Any wrong you do they're gonna see

[@shermanchester68]

😆

[@lukewarmstanhouston9957]

When you're in Texas Look behind you Cuz that's where the Ranger's gonna be

[@ka-boom2083]

What?

[@serfandterf]

"Ever more inventive ways of killing surveyors" is one way to describe unspeakable torture and cruelty.

[@MrGitpicker]

My family were some of the first texas rangers. My great, great uncle is in that picture of the frontier brigade that hangs on the wall of the ranger museum.

[@vincecarrasco1921]

My great uncle was one of the first Mexicans allowed in the Texas Rangers back in the late 1800s. His name is in the book at the Texas Rangers museum.

[@tigerstalons5118]

Stupid awesome kool between those two posts!!!

[@YoMamaSideMeat]

My 3x great grand father was one for few yrs Zachary Taylor is his name from what i was told didnt matter who where they get u

[@CallmeJeffy1]

Holy shit, cool asf!

[@saiedabed108]

congratulations your great great uncle was a murderer and a thief.

[@TheKajunkat]

just as a side note: an authentic walker-colt will fetch upwards of a million dollars today. They were rare and very influential so are highly prized by collectors. They were the 44 magnum of their day and the most powerful revolver made until the middle of the twentieth century.

[@robertrawlinsii9372]

I literally just last week finished the book "Nine Years Among The Indians 1870-1879" by Herman Lehmann who was captured and adopted by Apache but ended up with the Comanches. Great book and because it is a first hand account it an extraordinary read. You can get the kindle version for like 99 cents.

[@lobster4501]

That would make a great movie… Surveyors versus the Comanches wow

[@firghteningtruth7173]

@@bio2020 well. I mean. "No provocation" is a lil much. We kind of were taking land.

[@bio2020]

@@firghteningtruth7173 Yeah, it's called conquest. All animals on this planet do it. Every human civilization has done it.

[@firghteningtruth7173]

@@bio2020 they didn't. Least not the taking of the land part. Now, they fought amongst themselves plenty. But. There was an underlying notion that no one person "owned" any "parcel" of the land. And I'm not making a moral statement... It is what it is. But. It's certainly, "with reason". Edit: the "reason" is because we were fucking up hunting grounds and migration patterns. Also...if you think about it...we were kind of like a zombie invasion. If you touched us or one of our items or clothes...you may very well die.

[@firghteningtruth7173]

@@bio2020 let me ask you this...how do you feel about illegal immigration? Certainly it's fine, right? It's just their conquest is all. Duh. Every civilization does it.

[@worldgonemad5866]

@@firghteningtruth7173 , american settlers werent illegal immigrants. There was no nation to be invaded until white men made one.

[@progrocker2112]

Do you know what Comanche means? It means enemies forever. Enemies with who? Everyone. Do you know what that makes me? An enemy. No....it makes me a Comanche!

[@gilesjensen9205]

progrocker2112 good movie

[@freshimage5805]

Hell or high water

[@Justin-fd7tg]

Cool to learn about all this since I’m from San Antonio

[@YakMotley]

Wow! I just downloaded his book!

[@sheepsfoot2]

@Sir Lotto Empire of the summer moon > in paperback or Audio books !

[@sheepsfoot2]

@Sir Lotto that's great i'm going to buy it at Audible !

[@jontolar6838]

Just realized you are from Pcola. Grew up in Crestview, live in Arizona now. Miss the water everyday.

[@Eger118877]

This was one of my favorite JRE episodes.

[@rogercoleman8515]

My last name is Coleman. A few years ago i was doing some research on our family name and ended up going back to a man named Robert Coleman. Look him up if ya want..he was a Texas Ranger commander at one time. Thought that was pretty cool. Had a fort built in honor of him, a town named Coleman, all in Texas of course. I was born in Dallas..not far from there.

[@jamesanderson2876]

You related to Gary Coleman?

[@Purple.Dog17]

Barbara, Ron, or Roy Coleman?

[@allan2765]

"Empire of the Summer Moon." Great book. No BS.

[@runnerfromjupiter]

🌝

[@timcisneros1351]

The Texas Rangers finally arrested the killer of my cousin after a 52 year "cold case". I was disappointed that it took that long but they were told to stand down numerous times by corrupt officials. It wasn't the Texas Rangers fault. It was the Catholic Priest all along. My cousins name was Irene Garza murdered by a Catholic Priest named John Feit. The Catholic church protected and harbored him. He just died in a Texas Prison. Too bad. I would have liked to see him think about what he did and suffer the consequences a while longer. The Texas Rangers arrested him in Phoenix after 52 years on the run (In plain site as a Captain for the Salvation Army!) You can't make this shit up

[@petegonad]

That's just mind blowing. Im sorry for your loss, and thanks for sharing the story. 🤝

[@50StichesSteel]

Lars Anderson is a circus performer basically...The bow he used in the video was basically a child bow...Theres a huge difference between that bow and an actual war bow strong enough to shoot farther and faster to kill game animals and people..That's one thing people forget when they see his videos

[@gungriffen]

True but Indians fought point blank so they didn't have high tension ones either. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

[@TheKajunkat]

It's more the technique that he shows than his acrobatic demonstrations that are interesting. The study of ancient texts gave him ideas about how it could have been done. Native american archer were also documented to use pinch grips, horizontal bows and shoot from hip level. All of those are big no no's in modern archery technique.

[@50StichesSteel]

@@TheKajunkat but it negates the speed of the technique by alot and can make the whole technique not work..I dont mind the instinctive shooting at all. I do it my self. Not completely horizontal but more of a 45° I can't shoot pills out of the air but have taken deer at 35 yards with just a recurve.

[@barnesrm76]

@@50StichesSteel 35 yds with a recurve is nothing to brag about

[@50StichesSteel]

@@barnesrm76 Wasn't a brag, but thanks anyways

[@goodyeoman4534]

I'm reading Six Years In The Texas Rangers by Jim B. Gillet. Fascinating read. Different time, different breed of men. It was the wild frontier days, where you had the "Redskins" raiding Texas from the west, the Mexicans attacking from the south, and the "white bandits" causing terror within the state itself. The Rangers did not mess about and would travel hundreds of miles to track down Indian rustlers. Incredible men. Nearly all of them seemed to be Anglo or Scots stock.

[@trigger0704]

What no mention of Cpt McCrae and Call?

[@tonymontana9858]

Robert e Lee freed the slaves I'll wack that bell if I want.

[@trevordelarosa3599]

It is so fucking cool hearing my home state and city being talked about on the JRE. I'm a born and raised Texan and I'm from San Antonio so to hear about all the history in this land is awesome

[@brandonsanders2767]

I’m from Lawton/fort sill and quanah Parker’s home is about a 20 minute drive from my house.

[@vestty5802]

My own ancestor was from Ireland and immigrated to Texas in the 1830s and became a ranger. So badass

[@odin8010]

Were they mostly Irish?

[@vestty5802]

@@odin8010 no but a lot of them were or they had Irish ancestry

[@dustinchen]

badass?

[@vestty5802]

@@dustinchen I think so

[@StanHowse]

@@dustinchen What do you keep doing in these comment, Bro? I see you, you keep repeating someones opinion back to them, as if you got something to say about it... If you do, then fucking say it, if not, Stfu.

[@mullboll33]

“The history of the Texas Rangers is fascinating, simply fascinating....it makes ya wonder if they ever experimented with DMT”

[@matthewpotts774]

Lolz!!!

[@jearly5859]

Texas Rangers used peyote cactus and called it 'white mule' and 'Sunday whiskey'.

[@yocland8841]

I seriously doubt it

[@jollyjokerpansy]

I wish there was a link to the specific podcast. It’s frustrating to find on the website.

[@TheSlendersockmonkey]

Meanwhile the arizona ranger is still talked about today

[@kyleschoepf2435]

The what?

[@TheSlendersockmonkey]

James clark its a song you fucking dip

[@crisrenolds5667]

Fuck all rangers

[@teebrown824]

@James clark I'm your huckleberry

[@deltahunter4810]

@@kyleschoepf2435Big Iron on his hip

[@rockthefrogs6385]

I watched The confession killer on Netflix and it also talked about how dark the rangers were

[@runnerfromjupiter]

Kekistan is not free, 2this day! #freekekistan

[@danrgoodnight9345]

Charlie Goodnight, the real person behind 'lonesome dove' was a Tx ranger.

[@alcorona846]

Dan, are you a descendant of Charles Goodnight? Do you know anything about his living on the Leflet ranch near Palo Pinto?

[@danrgoodnight9345]

@@alcorona846 am indeed, distantly. no insider info tho.

[@cptthrawn1841]

Read the book, Comanche Dawn. You will love it. I picked it up at a flea market in 2012 and it made the rounds through about ten guys working in the oil fields at the time and everybody really liked the book.

[@TheAntiEggroll]

Patterson Colt?!?! Rick Harris and his expert has entered the chat

[@whitediver45]

3:58 theft of land ? From who ? The Comanche who weren't even from this area ? Comanche stole land from Tawakoni, Tonkawa, Kiowa, and many others so let's put the peace loving hippie idea to rest.

[@3dheadcreeps87]

Michael Fielder - Hippie idea? That’s like saying what if Iran invaded California, and then having people argue semantics saying all American states are different AND originally it was a Mexican territory 🙄

[@iLLuzion1st]

3DHeadCreeps ya at one point ownership or claim of an area changes hands. Also the guest never depicted that tribe as hippies lol

[@whitediver45]

@@iLLuzion1st no shit ? You're a real fart smeller.

[@freckleheckler6311]

3DHeadCreeps you’re missing the point. Land has been invaded and stolen from each other for hundreds and thousands of years but the moment Europeans succeed in doing so towards the end. They are vilified. What happened back then was the natural order of things around the planet because no one had any regard for cultures and one another. When people say natives stole land from each other that does in some way correct history because the narrative is that the natives lived peacefully in a utopia. No they didn’t. Nowadays theft of land should no be tolerated and what happened happened and we should all learn a lesson from all our pasts.

[@MA3POLO]

@@freckleheckler6311 "Nowadays theft of land should not be tolerated" Why is that? 🤔

[@MM-qi5mk]

Jaime probably felt sad he had to look up an assault pistol of its day.

[@mason678w]

How long before people protest the baseball team? 😂

[@SAM-ru4vx]

Cleveland Indians?

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

Depends on how many SJWs watch this episode.

[@MDH16477]

Why are you laughing ?!?! In New Zealand a rugby team called the “Crusaders” have been forced to change their logo and name..... Within 15 years no doubt Rangers, Indians and Redskins will be goooone

[@lovesupreme6154]

Rangers team name is safe. Rangers are associated with law enforcement. The sleepy headed masses don't have the attention span to look into the origins.

[@murdermittensnyc]

I love that he mentioned plane surveying! I trained for plane surveying in Texas (160yrs later) and we were told, the only excuse to not close the loop was death. Knowing it could be tied to the Rangers makes it 100% more entertaining.

[@kiasax2]

Jack "Coffee" Hayes was an amazing guy.

[@kwotesfonseca1034]

All I gotta say is The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez 🤘

[@anthonyrispin9778]

I knew about Parker as a young lad of 10. I'm now 67 years old. From the 🇬🇧

[@radforduniversity6424]

The comanche were thinking "hey, we killed the guys that were here first! Now its ours!" Haha

[@takeiteasy2530]

Clever but they were also Native

[@tomparker8932]

Cynthia Ann is my relative and Quanna was her son of Peta Nocona the father. Not easy having peyote services in church for the people in their spirituality yet he was still smart enough to both understand the plight of western civilation (european) that it was inevitable but commanded the respect of Rossevelt and many of his own people of which they (he and Rossevelt) hunted together. In a way he became the mouthpiece for Native Indian inclusively. Many white friends and living together in the Star House.

[@darbyheavey406]

The Comanches were simply the best mounted light Calvary in the 1830s because they were the last of their kind. Europeans and Eurasian warriors fought from the saddle for eons. The American Indians got horses in 1500 AD and were wiped out by 1900. An amazing rise and fall- tragic in the best sense.

[@bc2578]

They definitely should have played the game a lot smarter....They shouldn't have been so xenophobic....

[@robertwest7141]

Yeah Joe...I instantly thought of Richard Marcinko...His Origins would surprise most...

[@metrocommander6234]

It's shameful San Antonio College used cancel culture and took away our Rangers mascot.

[@tracyschroeder9296]

What fkn for?

[@metrocommander6234]

@@tracyschroeder9296 They say shit like rangers were hunting down Mexicans.

[@chuckmartin935]

Fascinating content-thank u JRE for bringing thi scholar & author and this message to the public!

[@Mis-AdventureCH]

Yes, that was a Patterson. Retracting trigger. The '47 Colt was a Dragoon. .44, big chamber (almost a full carbine charge), trigger guard. Too big to carry ont he hip, hence rode in saddle holsters. Commonly called a "Horse pistol."

[@markmendoza5825]

Where can I find the link to the full episode?

[@TooljunkieDave5215]

It’s cool to see this guy talk about natives but 99 percent of the time natives are talked about it’s always about the plains natives. Us coastal natives are rarely talked about. Us coastal natives are a small percentage of the native Americans in this country were only in the Pacific Northwest and parts of Northern California. I’d love to see a mini documentary about the natives of the Pacific Northwest that’d be so cool!

[@jonnysac6859]

Dave Underwood jr like the Lenny Lenape Indians would be nice to hear about them too

[@quincee3376]

True. First Nations are hardly talked about too.

[@youneverknewme2466]

I'm Southern California Native American and can't tolerate the praise of a clan of men like the Texas rangers that helped to kill natives.

[@bryanl.morrison552]

Viva Karankawas

[@projectc.j.j3310]

Yeah I never really hear about u guys

[@kanegarvey3188]

"Bloody origins" first line by Joe "I thought it was hilarious" lmao

[@saltyp123]

Not going to lie......Jamie kind of sucks at pulling stuff up.

[@baileyfurio2327]

Salty P haha, hes no Redban thats for sure! Hes trying tho.

[@npc900k9]

Why is the original video deleted? I wanna see it

[@brandonhallam51]

Crazy seeing those Colt pistols being sold by the local shop for $125,000+

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Fun fact, true; Capt Walker asked Sam Colt & the 🏭 to make the new revolvers robust & stout enough to be used as clubs if unloaded. ✔ Sam Colt T&Eed the guns with this purpose in mind.

[@rylanrobinson8487]

As a lifelong Texan that lives on these very plains, you can hear the whispers of those men in the wind if you listen carefully

[@jackfahy2283]

This podcast made me start reading Blood Meridian again.

[@louissanchez9777]

Lol right? McCarthy is largely underrated

[@jackfahy2283]

Louis Sanchez the raw gritty ness of his books are the best

[@aaronhallow1422]

I need to find the original video for this. The link in the description is broken

[@paradoxward2533]

this really offers a great deal of insight into how the Texas character evolved.

[@raymondkeenan8119]

I love Rogan and content like this... Accurate history and knowledge is so much fun for many of us...

[@BillMcGirr]

The Netflix documentary “the confession killer” gives you an idea of what the Rangers morphed into.👍

[@jvh22a]

I just saw that a few days ago! At first I thought I'll just watch one episode and go to bed. It was an all nighter.

[@lovesupreme6154]

Good recommendation, thanks.

[@BillMcGirr]

jvh22a Lol... same here. I thought it was just a documentary... 6 hours later I was headed to bed at 2 am.🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[@nategz9875]

Man i love Texas History. They need to make another good western movie.

[@grownmantravels]

HOSTILES 🎬👍

[@takeiteasy2530]

Yes let's see custer's last stand

[@NoHomo1776]

“Texas, Our Texas! all hail the mighty State!” “Texas, dear Texas! from tyrant grip now free, Shines forth in splendor, your star of destiny!”

[@fguzman626sa]

Amen

[@Roman-sd1go]

Absolutely beautiful. God bless you!

[@RGK147]

Ye were the tyrants and still are

[@fguzman626sa]

Sometimes maybe just on weekends

[@meetyomaker2396]

Ryan Keating idk bout that lmao

[@timmy101able]

What did he mean by interchangeable cylinders at 6:50 ????10 shots?

[@stonebay2111]

He's talking about carrying multiple loaded cylinders and changing them. What he fails to realize is they were not that interchangeable...many had to be hand fitted just to function. Interchangeable cylinders weren't really a thing till the 1858 remington new army. It was interchangeable and very quickly changed. With the remington all you did was unlatch the loading lever pull the base pin, take out the empty and replace it with a full cylinder, push base pin, latch loading lever....all could be done at a full gallop on horseback in just a few seconds. The Patterson weren't even made in large enough numbers to facilitate carrying multiple cylinders....you just carried another Patterson if one could be obtained.

[@llongone2]

"Y'know...once a Texas Ranger kicked my father's teeth out. Would you do that to me Texas Ranger?"

[@arturogomez4381]

Like father like son .

[@brucefortman766]

I was just thinking this 😆

[@Raumance]

Goes to show how much resistance there always is for new ideas. Even they are obvious.