Tail of the Dragon - angry Harley rider

... for some reason, many Ohio plated riders just wouldn't move to one side or use the pull-offs. This guy got particularly upset as I passed ... he saw me for miles but hung left for some reason.
Safe riding, and let's all be nice to one another out there - James

[@victorauletta7699]

Yeah, I’m with the guys that would pull over and let the faster sport bikes go. I’d rather enjoy the ride at my own pace.

[@DrTranofEvil]

Yeah, I’m planning a trip out there in the near future and I’m not planning on rushing. Hell, I would have pulled off and taken some pictures at the vista… You wanna ‘conquer the mountain’ more power to ya. I probably woulda been right there with you like a decade ago. These days, I came, I saw, I bought a T-shirt, I went home and I ate some decent food on the way. Life is good. 👍

[@Jack-xy2pz]

@@DrTranofEvil you have aged nicely sir imo

[@tjsbbi]

There are a fair number of Harley riders that bought their first bike later in life and aren't as experienced as their age might suggest.

[@youcanthide004]

100%

[@jimbookholt8400]

at 65 years of age just bought our first Harley, a 2019 Softail Heritage because I just wanted one, after almost 50 yrs of riding. Yes it is not the nimblest best handling machine I have owned and yes I will gladly slow down to let faster riders around me. Lets ride at our own pace and respect each other. Stay safe.

[@smilingbiter]

I'm like you except I've always ridden HD except once when I was 17 and friend's minibikes and dirtbikes when I was 14 and15. I fell in love with the 2018 Deluxe with all its chrome and bought it for my 66 BD. I don't like to ride much over the speed limit as I realize my potential shortcomings due to age. Whenever I see faster-riding motorcycles and even automobiles, I immediately pull over at the first safe opportunity.

[@petegregory517]

5 years ago at 65 I was stopped at a red light and after 50+ years of riding I told the wife, “I’m done, time to get off”. Rode to the bike shop where I bought it and sold it back to the dealer, walked home. Picked up my gear at the shop the next day and took it to a thrift store. Don’t miss it one bit. My son asked me if I wanted to take his new bike out, said….nope couldn’t pay me to ride it.

[@jimbookholt8400]

@@petegregory517 Hey Barry, Most of the guys I ride with are younger.....I just tell them to take it easy on the old man!!! I respect your decision but I still enjoy riding and I'm just not ready to quit. Here in WV we have great roads and little traffic. When the time comes to hang it up I will have no regrets.

[@JSTJPN]

As a HD rider when riding the Dragon I slide to the side or even pull over if there are faster bikes stacking up behind me. No need to hold up everyone when riding a lead sled like a bagger.

[@JamesScottSi]

Me too - back when I road an Ultra Classic, Gold Wing or this bike - I just slide right and enjoy the bikes going by. It's not a big deal. Cheers and have a great holiday weekend.

[@expatbiker6598]

There's no need to pull over. If someone can't overtake you without endangering themselves. Then it's on them what they want to do.

[@patricksmith6776]

@@expatbiker6598 Some places it's the law. Where I live even if you're going the speed limit, as soon as the fifth car stacks up behind you on a divided highway you're required by law to use the first turn out you safely can, or move to the right lane if a passing lane becomes available. Whichever comes first.

[@djtomtrain2015]

My expirence. Only hd riders are pricks.

[@patricksmith6776]

@@djtomtrain2015 Really? Where I'm from the biggest assholes are on crotch rockets, although some of our worst riders here are on brand new HD's. There's a few big clubs here though so perhaps here people are trying to stay off radar. Only been messed with by groups of sports bikes here though.

[@nyannyan123456]

Theres nothing wrong putting around, but some people have no consideration for others. Let faster riders pass and continue enjoying the ride.

[@punishedsnake6141]

Fuck off. Passing on a double line is illegal and dangerous. Person in front doesnt have to do a goddamn thing but keep driving. Prove me wrong, bitch. Im waiting.

[@jamesadams2334]

Follow the speed limit! Stop complaining about slower riders when you are the one breaking the law.

[@_Napoletano_]

@jamesadams2334 That's the same logic as someone who moves to a shitty neighborhood and then complains about their neighbors selling drugs and stealing their car stereo. If you aren't up for a brisk ride, stay off the dragon. 90% of the riders there are riding over the speed limit. You can ride like grandma on any public back road.

[@1pasota]

Most of Harley riders only know how to ride in highways, the Dragon’s tail is not made for them, big heavy bike with low clearance, they just keep slamming on the brakes as soon as they engage a tight curve, and some have to much attitude because the have an expensive machine between their legs

[@veiledallegory]

It’s hard to pull to one side when you don’t really no how to ride!

[@mumbler5644]

Exactly I agree I come up on someone like the I give them space.

[@davethrasher4124]

So like half of old rich dudes on CVOs

[@johngibson1439]

Yeah. You noticed that? He sucks...

[@rdlykryk4384]

A fat person such as most of them are should use their weight to throw that machine. obviously not a seasoned rider.

[@justsomedude445]

@@davethrasher4124 only half ?

[@liquidleopard4495]

I've been in this area and saw a cruiser bike going fast enough that I didn't feel like passing. I saw sparks from his footpegs at the apex of every curve, and watching him ride was more fun than passing him would have been. :) It was a breath of fresh air after being stuck behind a slow-ass Harley for 15 minutes.

[@seriousandy6656]

THe guys who do that on a bagger really know what they're doing. I scrape the floorboards alot, but I don't do it on purpose

[@benzee1]

I'm a floorboard scraper too. My left is getting like razor thin

[@DTO..]

: was the so called slow ass harley, slow or were you braking the posted speed limit attempting to show off like some small ass barking dog.. that sounds like the equivalent..

[@johnm2871]

If you were a good rider then you wouldn't have been stuck behind him, get some lessons and learn overtaking manoeuvres

[@dougjohnson435]

I think the Harley rider was more upset with himself. Had he let you pass earlier everyone wins (both enjoy the rest of their rides). His mind was set to ignore you but that clearly didn't work for him. If traffic bothers you, you may want to try times that aren't as busy like early in the morning on weekdays. Remember the Dragon is a public road and a lot more dangerous than most realize. People can stop in blind curves, or even be walking on the road to pick up something they dropped. If you were to crash you may not be found for hours/days. Always a good ride when you and your bike return in good shape.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi Doug - good points - wishing you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Cheers.

[@mumbler5644]

A man of reason. I go there with newer riders often the first thing I tell them is ride your own ride and don't be intimidated by others. I also explain there are pull offs but if you can not stop on them safely just pass it by. most have gravel on them. Never had anyone wreck that ride with me. I never intimidate a slower rider by running up on them. rather see them safe on the other side.

[@robertbrown8323]

I think riders who try to show off on this road endanger all around them. May the Dragon take all the show offs down. Chrome rims are available for wheel chairs. Dumb a--es.

[@steveoconnor7069]

Yeah, I always flip other people off when I am upset with myself. 😀

[@theamishhitman71]

@@steveoconnor7069 right this guys a clown lol dude literally just had to move to the right and wave him by like a normal logical person. fml lil dik energy.

[@MrJeffinLodi]

Your mistake was waiting so long to pass him. You being behind him, created anxiety for him that he didn't deal with, very well. Pass early, wave as you go by, and be done with it.

[@JamesScottSi]

I'm not a fan of crossing the double yellow with a short line of sight. He wasn't that anxious, otherwise, he'd have pulled over. I think he was more upset he's slow. But it all worked out. Cheers.

[@MrJeffinLodi]

@@JamesScottSi I hear you. I would not do anything reckless or un-safe, either; gotta pick and choose wisely.

[@TheYeet]

This...

[@johnowen5708]

Exactly.....don't ride on his ass for 6 miles.....you're lucky all he did did was flip you off

[@thatmanstumototours2270]

@@johnowen5708 Horseshit. Dude was more than respectful to a full on asshat. If you don't want people running up your ass, just move 4 feet to the right and they will quickly no longer be up your ass and you can continue at your own pace...Which is actually what most riders do . That's what makes dipshits like this guy so annoying because it is so pointless and completely unnecessary.

[@MotoMadness]

Hey James, would it be ok to include your clip in a moto compilation of angry people. It would be linked and credited. Thanks, MM

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, of course ... send me the link if used so I can watch. Cheers.

[@MotoMadness]

Thanks mate, I will let u know when I use it. Keep an eye on your spam box as the links have been ending up there. MM

[@MotoMadness]

Hey mate, check out the edit called STUPID, CRAZY & ANGRY PEOPLE VS BIKERS [Ep.#775] - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYCqgWOOZp58ndU with your clip featured. Thanks for letting me include it! MM

[@peytonstamper6931]

Based on how bad the Harley rider's skills are I bet he waves the single finger salute a lot! I admire your patience, I would have passed him much sooner.

[@BenDover-vm7ku]

Double yellow lines = NO PASSING ZONE.. looks like from start to finish .. Drive like hell you will get there...

[@DTO..]

you said be nice, and yet you were rude.. you showed no cycle etiquette.. *that harley was going at the posted speeds as you approached, and you only displayed your inexperience and rudeness by crowding another rider, then you buzzed pass him," with no regard, you didn't even tap your horn to signal your presence nor your intent either, and that's why that harley rider got pissed off at you.. *any real experienced motorcyclist would have known how to do this properly..

[@motarded4214]

@@DTO.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@DTO..]

@@BenDover-vm7ku : when you operate in that manner maybe you'll never arrive period..

[@Cosmic.Origin.exe.]

​@@DTO.. What are you on about? He waited quite some time to pass. If the other rider didn't know he was there, then he was not paying attention. Don't be so pretentious.

[@bcuzicancuellar5478]

I learned very quickly to pull over to the side first time riding the Dragon in 2017 on my FJR. It was a natural thing to do. Didn’t want to mess up anyone else’s run, but more importantly, I didn’t wanna try to ride beyond my skill set. Maybe he just didn’t know proper twisty etiquette. Great vid, ride safe!

[@paulhatch7759]

I sold my fjr ☹️

[@SuperChuckRaney]

I just sold my 08 FJR to a good buddy. I'll drag the bags, dont be skittish. Lean her down.

[@jamesadams2334]

Proper etiquette is to follow the speed limit and not harass others. I've owned sport bikes most of my life and never harassed other riders like this. You want to go faster then get on a track not the highway.

[@mikeb8342]

@@jamesadams2334 oh, I'm sure you NEVER exceed the speed limit anywhere.... with any vehicle, right? 🤨 And when someone is driving/riding slower than you for an unreasonable amount of time (maybe well under the speed limit) you NEVER start to crowd them a bit to get their attention and/or to "nudge" them to allow you by. I (and probably everyone else) would find that extremely hard to believe. Now stop being a Poindexter.

[@BaldKiwi117]

@@jamesadams2334 harass? Just let a person pass and this thing would have been over in 5 seconds. It's not your job to enforce speed limits

[@billbeen9350]

It couldn’t be simpler: if a faster bike (or car) approaches from behind, look for the next pullout. When you see it, throw your turn signal on. The overtaking rider will pass in a couple seconds as you reduce speed slightly and swing ever so briefly into the pullout. If there are multiple faster riders, slow a little more as you acknowledge their appreciative “Thanks, Bro!” waves. Slide back out and proceed at your desired pace, content in your knowledge that you just maximized EVERYBODY’S enjoyment.

[@opswest2825]

Exactly, well said 👍

[@Mrhootie333]

Sigh...if only....

[@bigrod4599]

Ride up on an Angel and see what happens

[@DaemonWulf7]

and to *expect* or *demand* that is still pretentious dumbassery

[@BrandonWest87]

@@bigrod4599 He’ll get passed like a blur too.

[@Kro8938]

I've followed groups of harleys rider through there time after time. When they come behind a car moving slower than them the ride up his ass and rev their engines and make gestures when he finally moves. All the while I'm right behind them waiting to get by and they won't move over in the lane or use a pull off and they will hammer down as hard as possible on the few short straights. So apparently they go the perfect speed. If u are slower u are a jerk that needs to pull over but if u want to go faster u are an asshole on a crotch rocket who is going to fast. Mind u it's not all of them. Many are cool and polite and will move when the opportunity arrives. But plenty of them feel entitled so other people need to get out of their way but the don't need to move for anyone.

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

I own an HD in addition to several sport bikes but most HD riders are idiots lol-- they're good bikes for comfortably soaking up miles in style and with a great exhaust soundtrack(but thats literally it) but why anyone would take them on a super twisty road is making my point. Cruisers are truly horrible at cornering worse than probably most crossover SUVs no joke. But want a cool looking motorized couch you can ride 1000 miles without being worn out that'll get lots of compliments and make a cool sound? They succeed at that!

[@StevewiththePbass]

It's a mountain pass, not a race track. If everyone who felt like speeding expected everyone doing the speed limit to leave the road for them to pass, none of us would ever get anywhere...

[@gasolinedreams2691]

If you’re so skilled, why’d it take you so long to get around him? Don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house.

[@JamesScottSi]

Not sure where you came up with me being so skilled. No stones thrown, just a bird flipped. Be well lobster-dude.

[@kpd3308]

It took him so long because there are very few places that you can safely pass using the other lane, even if the guy ahead of you is dragging his diaper.

[@dgphi]

It's hard to overtake people safely in tight twisties especially when they speed up in the straights, which they always do. Plus it is illegal to pass on the double solid lines.

[@alank808]

@@JamesScottSi You like videos I enjoy videos as well. Watch some of the bad crashes on mtn. rds. and think about it. You are not going to beat the mtn. The Dragon is not the place for lack of patience. Too much traffic. Many other rides better than the Dragon with far less traffic. Try the Wayah for a great ride with far less traffic. Many others up in the area just as tech. they just don`t draw the crowds. Oh and many have scenery that is what the dragon doesn't.

[@oldbiff8194]

Ride at the speed you're comfortable with.

[@_Napoletano_]

Yup and gtfo of the way of faster riders

[@rangered2010]

I rode it on my Fatboy this past Memorial Day. A few sportbikes passed me and I didn't care. I think they were crazy but I you need to live that far over the edge of life then be my guest!

[@JamesScottSi]

I hear ya, I let'em pass all the time and watch them fly by. Cheers.

[@suzannefisher3969]

Couldn't agree more..I ride a softail Deuce and would have been the same pace as the harley guy. Sport bikes just have a need for speed

[@norseman5041]

​@@suzannefisher3969 Yes, we do like to go fast, that is true, It is the enjoyment of having a modern motorcycle, why is it so hard to understand for HD riders?

[@seanmurphy637]

You might think they are over the edge while they may just be having a comfortable ride well within their skill level. You don't know what they can do and dont underestimate modern sports bikes.

[@tombrennan6312]

That stretch of road is now a tourist attraction, like DisneyWorld, and an expectation to go fast is unreasonable. Better to find another road, there's no lack of them. But if you're a tourist in a crowded place act accordingly.

[@JamesScottSi]

true and good councel

[@rausemause3109]

@@JamesScottSi Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@themanchannel1555]

I ride with a couple friends regularly all over the country. One is from Kansas and he does not get much practice cornering, especially blind turns common to mountain areas. I always tell him to stay in his comfort zone and simply move to the right on straightaways if someone is faster. EZ and safe 👍

[@je7887]

In places around the world it is common to let faster riders through. A little thought goes a long way for safer riding.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi J E ... well stated. Wishing you the best. Cheers.

[@je7887]

@@JamesScottSi last week I was following 2 riders, a man and I presume his wife/GF, on baggers for what seemed an eternity. They could see me in their mirrors as they were looking. Waited for a safe clear stretch of road to pass, so as I started to pass they both moved to the middle of the road. I cannot understand why they would want to do that other than they didn't like being passed by my Buy My Wallet bike.

[@omarsalgado9715]

Or he could just over take at the first opportunity and stop being a show off. Does that guy thinks he's fast? Pfff...

[@lay1back]

8 out of 10 harley riders have that type of attitude.

[@halbennett4491]

Nonsense. Most Harley I know are polite and accommodating when it comes to faster traffic. Don't judge them by a few bad apples, because we don't judge you by a few idiot crotch rocket riders, or some dual sport douches doing annoying things. With that said, the jerk in the video is just that, and I don't blame the OP from blowing by him when he finally did.

[@lay1back]

@@halbennett4491 , I’ve been riding on the street since 1975. The vast majority of hd riders are posers. They put on their biker ensemble, their dew rag, and ride no farther than their local biker bar, and pose. I’ve met a few old timers who are good folks, but they are few.

[@grayson1946]

@@lay1back so what’s wrong with posing! 🤣🤣🤣 don’t tell me you’ve never posed or showed off! Come on now, admit it! 😂

[@mumbler5644]

@@grayson1946 Ole Peter watched Wild Hogs to many times. LOL to bad he missed the ending

[@grayson1946]

@@mumbler5644 😂😂😂 99% of motorcycle riders pose at least sometimes, me included! I love to pretend I’m a bad ass, even though I’m a weenie! 😂

[@CZ350tuner]

This scenario is familiar to bikers everywhere. You're on a decent piece of road, perfect for motorcycling, but then find yourself stuck behind a slow moving tractor (The majority of UK bikers refer to Harleys as "Two Wheeled Tractors").

[@pauln6803]

I can get past a lump of pig iron no problem, it's the tin boxes I have problems with. Anyone in anything remotely SUV styled or an Audi (disproportionately driven by twats who will pull out to try and stop you filtering) and I know what's coming. I've had a few instances of HGV drivers looking down the road and waving me past when it's safe. Respect to the truckers!

[@Jack-xy2pz]

Most British riders don't know how to lean their bikes over in turns

[@jayr1467]

And most Europeans don't even own bikes over 300cc😂😂😂

[@USMCCGAGNG]

He thought you were sharing his epic ride with him. If a Harley rider had to pull o er for every sport bike that wanted to pass they'd never get anywhere. If you're on a sport bike, get sporty, pass safely.

[@rondj1965]

He's a space man.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

It's all Solid Double Yellow .. but pass them anyway right ? Just don't hit an oncoming Corvette or Ferrari head on ..

[@joeshmoe7967]

@@mikeskidmore6754 The double yellow means nothing to me, the only thing that matters is if I can see and have room to pass. I have ridden roads where yo could see for miles, and still had double yellow. I pass when safe to do so, never on a blind corner or hill top, but the paint on the road does not influence.

[@jaynesc29]

Solid yellow lines my man… plus the GS is a sport touring

[@jaynesc29]

Or is the GS an adventure bike?

[@OtisSpringerpilot]

Realistically, only 50% of all vehicles (cars, trucks, bikes) actually use the many pull-offs at Deal's Gap. 2 decades ago, most visitors kinda knew the courtesy-rules of that road, but no more. My rule is that if the slower traffic fails to use the 3rd avail pull-off, then I use the next one and give them (and any other closeby sameway traffic) 30sec to 60 sec to get ahead instead of spoiling so much of my run. I always visit The Dragon with enough time to forfeit at least one or two runs to traffic and still run 2 or 3 passes from the Motor Lodge to the Scenic Overlook.

[@ericgibson4629]

Good pass. Not sure why he was upset. I’ve ridden supermotos, naked sports bike, and my Harley on the dragon. Just pulled to the side when someone faster comes up behind me

[@troymyers5181]

Good pass? You pass people in the same lane? I'd follow that dumb shit down and beat him to death with my helmet for that bs.

[@pauln6803]

I know those cruiser things aren't renowned for ground clearance and handling but this guy seemed to be very close to running over the centre line.

[@BrandonWest87]

@@pauln6803 Right? He crossed the double yellow on every single left turn, wouldn’t turn his head and look through each turn, and counterbalanced for some friggin reason. Guy was a terrible rider.

[@davidwalker5665]

I ride my own speed, if someone is hauling ass they can work around me. I would never get pissed at someone for wanting to ride faster.

[@KO-pk7df]

The HD guy was riding at his max limit, no brain power left so he goes straight to anger because in his mind, everybody is against him.

[@Uturn831]

brain power would be not crowding someone. The HD rider is already leaning to the point that he is almost dragging the pipes on the ground that bike was not made to carve up the twistes it was made to cruise and most people really don't like someone riding that close to them for the simple reason crap happens an it's there life an there bike you are putting at risk. But who cares right? As long as you are having fun. but some how all the addes up to the HD rider being dumb? wow you really are a snowflake

[@troymyers5181]

You're a idiot, he was pissed because he passed him in the same lane. He should of threw his helmet at him for that dumb shit.

[@matfriske5548]

Pull your slow ass over, problem solved. Next time drive your mini SUV your boyfriend bought you.

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

There's a lot of these types on HDs and I have a HD in my garage lol.... I don't use it for technical twisty roads tho it's for cruising or longer scenic runs. Have two sport bikes for the twisties and track. He was mad because he's slow but there's nothing wrong with being slow you just let the faster rider pass-- same idea with the entitled cyclists--- the cyclist can move over a few feet and let people pass and everybody can enjoy their day.

[@jimjohnson3307]

I don't have a problem with people passing me but they need to stay the he'll out of my lane.

[@ctguy1955]

I only rode my 2017 FLD one time on the tail, and I saw 3 accidents on the way in. Even I knew to pull over to let others pass who were familiar with the road, as I was not and drove a little over the speed limit. To each His/Her own.

[@JamesScottSi]

Reminds me of my first time riding in 2005 on my '05 HD Ultra Classic ... I'm from flat Florida ... I took it slow, enjoyed the change of scenery and simply moved right and got a kick out of the faster rider's skills as I watched them fade in the turns in front of me. We all get our kicks differently.

[@jamesadams2334]

@@JamesScottSi yep. The BMW rider was just being ignorant. I do believe he was the one riding over his head.

[@BrandonWest87]

@@jamesadams2334 Uh…you do realize HE is the BMW rider in the video…right?

[@jeffstieren4474]

No one likes to be pushed from behind. I would have let you pass so I could just relax and enjoy the ride. I once was a fast rider but now at the age of sixty and a different perspective on life. This is supposed to be a enjoyable and relaxing time in your life. Slow down, chill out and smell the roses.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi Jeff ... agree, I always move right for other bikes when safe and let faster riders by too. Thanks for the comments and wishing you and your family well.

[@adstryker5084]

No one likes to be pushed from the front either -- maybe Double-Wide should have stayed home in his rocking chair if he has no consideration for others on an awesome road like that.

[@tnelliott2447]

Hardly Go Davidson rider was butt hurt because when he woke up this morning he was confused on which sleeveless shirt to wear,

[@slowninja14]

If loud pipes save lives, just imagine what learning to ride could do!?

[@mzzzz7331]

Right. And if loud pipes save lives, why not duct take your horn button down - at least it's pointing in the right direction! Oh yeh, because that's against the law. So are loud pipes. It's called disturbing the peace. Man a cop loved it when I got him to realize that. Harley riders blipping their loud pipes at a stop light, not so much. (he ticketed them till he got tired of the novelty)

[@troymyers5181]

He was riding fine, at the speed limit. You dumb fucks racing around the roads like this idiot is how people get killed. Take that shit to the track.

[@slowninja14]

@@troymyers5181 nobody in this video was "racing around" or even going all that quick. You're just an internet Karen!

[@westo1873]

@M Zzzz. Thank you so much for saying what I've felt for decades! So tired of the tough guy road attitude in general. Everyone is trying to achieve road dominance over other drivers, whether it's exhaust too loud, obnoxiously lifted trucks, etc.

[@justsomedude445]

LoLoL dude = perfect

[@xcaliber7779]

When I see a faster rider or group of riders I ease off to the right and signal wave them to pass by. It's done in a couple of seconds and you can get back to your own riding pace. Don't be a prick on the road holding everyone from enjoying the day.

[@davidthelander1299]

Ride the Dragon a few weekends ago on my KLR - beautiful day. Saw a lot of happy people enjoying the good weather. No accidents or anybody getting angry. Been riding my whole life, almost 70. For last 4,000,000 miles been pushing 18 wheeler - courtesy goes a long, long way.

[@johngibson1439]

I have the most respect for you .. I just hit half a million miles, perfect record... Driving OTR changed the way I ride. I would love to take my FJR1300 to the tail..

[@michaelcrowley1172]

Question ,have you been riding your whole life?.Answer, not yet,lol.

[@johngibson1439]

@@michaelcrowley1172 That's a great comment. No sir, I'll ride forever. The tail is far from home, Crowley lake, Calif. But I'll make it soon.

[@jamespolucha6911]

Everyone knows the tail of the dragon is where people like to ride kinda fast , I always pull over to let the fast guys go the older I get the more I just want to enjoy and that’s what owning a motorcycle is all about , enjoy don’t get mad because someone goes around you

[@michaeleisenhardt4590]

I see a rider riding at his comfortable pace. Then I see an illegal pass.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@Daschickenify]

To those who fail to move over for faster traffic: You will cause people to do dumb things, putting others and even yourself at risk. Whether or not you may be legally responsible for a crash, you are morally responsible. To the faster people: If you come up on someone who won't move over, but you can control yourself, go ahead and take a pull off and wait for a gap to open up.

[@illhaveanother4365]

Ok dad

[@thatmanstumototours2270]

Or just catch the right moment and quickly and efficiently go around his dumb ass...

[@DaemonWulf7]

you're morally responsible for others who choose to do dumb things? that's the most idiotic, not-taking-responsibility-for-your-own-bullshit thing i've heard today. you're the goddamn problem.

[@jeffhickman10]

Wrong! There is no law that says you have to move over but YOU still have a legal obligation to maintain a safe distance. Morality has nothing at all to do with it.

[@paulkelly4731]

Not to mention the double yellow line means it is illegal to pass... there's that.

[@ElementofKindness]

He's all grumpy because he damn near wrecked before pull-off #4, trying to keep that tractor ahead of you.

[@GiantMeteor2024]

😂 That's a fact Jack! That HD dude was the lead biker in South Parks "Bike Curious" episode.

[@martincapriotti3433]

If someone behind you is on a faster better handling Bike just let them pass

[@JamesScottSi]

Agreed - I'm happy to move right or use a pull-off and then ride on. I wait until I'm comfortable and it is safe and 129 makes it very easy with their pull-offs.

[@mumbler5644]

@@JamesScottSi Not really as again you show how stupid you truly are. I ride that road often and most pull offs are gravel covered. Your the issue not the slow rider. I come up on a slower rider my first thoughts are 1st timer new rider or worse new rider and new touring bike. I give them space and enjoy my day. Look forward to seeing you rubber side up over the edge, I will wave

[@xxsunnymelodyxx77]

I didn’t come to a racetrack - I took 129 to go to the dentist !

[@JamesScottSi]

good day - agree it isn't a racetrack and my speeds were the limit or slightly above - and there is no obligation to pullover, but the majority of slower riders do so without fuss. Cheers to good dental care and safe passage there and back.

[@norseman5041]

That is a lie, the HD guys don't have money to go to the dentist after all the screaming eagle upgrades they had to invest in to look exactly the same as everyone else on the steed. LOL

[@davidkeep6526]

Harley riders have a lot to be angry about. For starters they got hood winked into buying a slow, heavy dinosaur of a bike that is good for straight road cruising and pulling tree stumps out on uncle Jeds farm.! 😎👍

[@BrandonWest87]

Until they shear the teeth off their transmission gears or pinion

[@bobbamford5207]

You own one you should know.

[@EZ2XLR8]

I really hate people like this. Just pull aside. Let everyone ride their ride the way they want. Don’t ruin it by insisting everyone behind you is held hostage.

[@mumbler5644]

Funny remark Let everyone ride there ride .... Think you meant let everyone one ride there own ride unless you inconvenience me... Spoken like a true Democrat

[@EZ2XLR8]

@@mumbler5644 let me correct you. If you want to drive slower do it, just don’t keep people behind you from doing what they want. I’m not insisting you go fast so don’t insist I drive slow. No Democrats here. Don’t get it twisted.

[@EZ2XLR8]

@Munchkin Head nobody mentioned being more important or better. The point is if you want to drive 15 mph don’t force everyone behind you to do it too.

[@hotchihuahua1546]

We can all enjoy our own level of riding with a little understanding and Courtesy.

[@rickcamelli7023]

The guy in front with an asshole you never passed someone in the same Lane whether it's on a bike or car where'd you guys get your license at

[@curtisferguson9190]

Same here I ride a bagger and I just let them go no reason to be pissed

[@jrvapor]

As my granddad used to say, "Some peoples kids, you can't take them anywhere!" That Harley rider was angry when he left the house, whatchya gonna do?

[@DTO..]

: being "crowded and buzzed without warning" didn't help the disposition either.

[@BrandonWest87]

@@DTO.. He should have pulled off. He knew the GS rider was behind him waiting to go. The guy rode at a slug pace, crossed the double yellow on every left turn, counterbalanced (wrong!) rather than shifting body weight down, didn’t look through turns, etc. The hardley guy was a trash rider and should have pulled off or gone when it was less busy.

[@williamjohnson6517]

@@BrandonWest87Agree 👍

[@dirtbikelunatic]

Hey mate, may I feature it in compilation? Full credited of course

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, of course ... send me the link if used so I can watch. Cheers.

[@dirtbikelunatic]

@@JamesScottSi Thanks mate :) will do :)

[@recoilrob324]

That's the Harley Bagger RR model. RR for Rolling Roadblock. We get them and their Honda compatriots (Goldwing RR) all the time in our mountains where none of them wear protective gear because they are riding so slow they don't think they need it...but then get pissed when you blow past them because they weren't expecting you to pass. Oh well....we try to get along but sometimes it doesn't work.

[@BodycamShows]

Hello, may I use this clip in my compilation? Full credits given of course and will send you the link as soon as I use it, thank you.

[@JamesScottSi]

Of course, use the clip. Cheers.

[@omnivore2220]

There is a mindset in the world, which wants to hold everyone else down to its lower level of functionality. Also, it rules the world.

[@jamesvaden2391]

I think all of you has forgotten the speed limit is 35 on the dragon which is slow enough for any motorcycle to negotiate and by law he does not have to pull over to let you speed

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@kpd3308]

Every time I’ve ridden the Tail, I’ve gotten stuck behind entitled a-holes like that guy. Same type of person that squats in the left lane of the freeway.

[@JamesScottSi]

My experience riding in general and the Tail is overwhelmingly positive. This moment for me is very much the exception.

[@troymyers5181]

Stuck behind someone doing the speed limit? I feel so sorry for you.

[@matfriske5548]

Well, we found out who the HD rider in the video is....

[@troymyers5181]

@@matfriske5548 also found out who's on the other side of the glory hole at the truck stop.

[@mcross320]

When he bought that Harley at the boutigue, they told him he was now a King of the Road.#1. 1.Don't let nobody go around you. 2.act like everybody else made a mistake and didn't buy a Harley. 3. HOG the left and make it harder to pass, even when that is the WORST line around a corner. 4. Pretend you don't know when a faster rider is approaching because you don't use mirrors and will feel like a pussy if you wave them by. You know, same rules as if you are driving your oversized SUV.

[@leejohnson2294]

I have passed and been past so many time there... I try to ride it pretty fast but there are some locals on superbikes that blow by everyone..

[@davidklausz3744]

It’s nice to be important but it’s more important to be nicer.

[@jamespolucha6911]

Tough guy got his feelings hurt

[@Panchdara]

Those couches should never be allowed on any twisties. He'd not even last 2secs on the Mountain course.

[@JamesScottSi]

Good day ... my first time riding in the mountains, and including US129, was in 2006 on a 2005 Harley Davidson Ultra Classic fully loaded and with my wife on the back. I was inexperienced and navigated the road slowly and safely within my limits. From 2005 to present, if there is a faster rider behind me, I simply slide right for 10-30 seconds so they can safely pass and I can continue riding my ride. My best friend rides an HD ... he also moves over. I welcome all on the road. Stay well.

[@Panchdara]

@@JamesScottSi Sorry James -not at ya.. the Mountain course is the IoM TT course to which I did not directly explain. Whilst I can appreciate the chrome and bling, they ain't the thing... on twisties. Best

[@JamesScottSi]

@@Panchdara ... ha ... following you and agreed. Cheers and take care - all the best.

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

Absent a law stating otherwise, the Harley rider had no obligation to pull over for faster traffic. Sure it is frustrating, but the rider ahead may be riding at his maximum comfort level of speed for whatever reason. The faster rider had two choices to deal with the situation that would not have involved crowding the other rider in his own lane and possibly causing him to crash: either ignore the twin yellow lines and take upon yourself the risk of moving into the oncoming lane to go around him, or take one of the turnouts that you find so inviting and wait for him to leave the area at his own pace.

[@ushoys]

Sure but the law also states that the speed limit on that whole section of road is only 30mph, so Mr Harley was breaking the law too.

[@Deved89]

@@ushoys speed limis are so low so even the stupidest people can handle it

[@mikehammer2075]

@@ushoys that's the dumbest reply I ever heard.....

[@shelleyking8450]

Of COURSE he had no LEGAL obligation to let someone through, but that's not the point, is it? Being legal (and a major douche) or being right (and a moral member of the human race) are often not the same thing. MOST bikers have ethics, and would realize the RIGHT thing to do is to let a quicker rider through, then both can enjoy the ride at their own pace.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@lgwappo]

I live near a 2-lane country road that I often ride. If I'm too slow for anyone I just pull over. If they're too slow for me they pull over. Nobody gets mad.

[@dgphi]

That's how it should be. Everyone wins. It doesn't need to be an ego thing. Sometimes people want to go faster than you for whatever reason, and sometimes you want to go faster than them.

[@coachron3524]

That’s the equivalent to cars going slow in the left lane on the interstate! Frustrating!

[@mumbler5644]

This is a 35 mph rode not the interstate

[@firearminstructor135]

@@mumbler5644 still a courtesy. No matter your opinion.

[@roberto4938]

@@mumbler5644 It's also the Dragon..

[@GiantMeteor2024]

Going by his show of novice rider skills on a bike that's not agile, shows he's a middle aged first time rider thats trying to play 1 percenter. Probably the same kinda guy that has to take up 2 parking spaces with his GMC Denali that will never tow or haul so much as a bag of mulch. 😂

[@steveoconnor7069]

@@GiantMeteor2024 False pride has put many a bike in the ditch.

[@robertgagne9355]

I have run into similar people riding, the Dragon included. I don't get it.... I'm thankful I don't have to deal with them on a regular basis. Imagine living next door to people like that.

[@danielwiniecki7855]

Main rule is to NEVER cross the double yellow line. You could have pulled over and let the less experienced do the limit and enjoy his ride as well. That's what I would do anyway.

[@MotoMaxi]

Hey mate. I was wondering if I could get your approval to use your clip in my yt shorts and compilation video. Thank you in advance bro!

[@JamesScottSi]

Yes, use away. Cheers.

[@lynnpoole7830]

I am amazed that so many people take up for the turd that was blocking.

[@JamesScottSi]

Lynn ... sending you a virtual hug. Stay well.

[@dgphi]

Yeah, I find it really disturbing that so many people are defending the Harley guy. If you let faster traffic pass you, then everyone wins. It's clearly the best solution.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@jeeveswinston2545]

You were pushing him… different bikes, different riding styles. Be cool man. Wait for your pass op, then go live your best life.

[@davemac533]

I haven't been on the dragon yet. When I do go I will go slow and pull over knowing there will be someone behind me itching to pass

[@darrellswaney1064]

You could have pulled over and waited for 5 to 10 minutes too

[@JamesScottSi]

The couple of times I did that I ended up behind a van and a truck. They kindly pulled over after a few turns. It isn't a big deal. Cheers.

[@steveoconnor7069]

As slow as that guy was 20 to 30 might be a better wait period.

[@journeyman2553]

I understand both sides of the argument. This same thing happened to me recently on TOD and I considered posting a video, but chose not to. They legally do not have to let you pass BUT it is a commonly held courtesy to wave a faster rider around when it's safe to do so, or to pull over. In my recent experience I thought he was a prick and he surely felt the same about me- two competing egos. The HD guy in front of me was pushing hard to keep from being passed (ego) and began clearly riding outside of his comfort zone (with a passenger). Watching my footage I concluded that I should have just pulled over (nope, ego) and let him get down the road before he and his girlfriend got hurt. Had he crashed I would not be legally at fault, but morally, yes. Next time I will pull over if a slower rider doesn't feel the need to be courteous- that's their right. TOD is an overrated scene for people to go for bragging rights, t-shirts, and bumper stickers. There are so many better sections of blacktop in the region with fewer riders and police patrols. The real problem with the Dragon is not slower riders who refuse to yield, it is riders pushing past their comfort zone who are unable to stay in their lane (cruisers and sport bikes). Forget ego games. Encountering that will kill you.

[@JamesScottSi]

well said

[@chuckhenderson7036]

You are not responsible for another persons riding level. He should have had enough sense to pull out of the way. I have been the fast bike(CBR600RR) and the slow Harley rider, and on my Harley I move out the way.

[@SILVERK5]

Well said. But I am always surprised that making it easy for faster vehicles to pass you is not a UNIVERSALY known courtesy (wether in a car, on a motorcycle, a mountain bike, snow mobile, horse, cross country skiing, or even walking up narrow stairs...

[@motarded4214]

He was just making sure he didn't hit any CLIBBONS. Nice GS by the way

[@Lt_Tragg]

You never win against a-holes like that. Such situations I just pull over, take a 5-min or so or until I sense the timing is better. Usually works to avoid aggravation.

[@MrHarleyoldfart]

I think you are right to be pissed, the guy was clearly an arse, there's plenty of room for two bikes to pass , take no notice of these armchair riders that say it's not ok.

[@steveholman5978]

The Harley rider was taking the best line for the curves, and I'd be surprised if he wasn't pushing the speed limit himself. To get angry at him is just being a dick.

[@greaseman93]

The Harley rider had several opportunities to pull off and let the quicker bike pass, its what you do there. Shit, I ride a Harley and I would have passed that dude.

[@MrHarleyoldfart]

Just to be clear, I ride Harleys and if i see someone coming up behind me i always move over, if they choose not to pass then i move back out, but i always give other riders the opportunity.

[@steveoconnor7069]

@@MrHarleyoldfart Yeah, The idea is to have a good time, at least I think it is. Over the years I find myself riding the Cherohala or the Parkway more than the Dragon. I like being able to enjoy the view and the halfway point on the Dragon is about the only spot for scenery.

[@troymyers5181]

Fuck you. Never pass another motorcycle in the same lane, period. I don't care if he was doing 5 mph. That's how people get killed.

[@wimrawe2343]

I’ve encountered this sort of thing all over the country. Perplexing behavior especially our west where people in cars / trucks are used to using turnouts because that’s the local etiquette and not an assault on ones manhood

[@seansemkowski1419]

Damn shame on the HD guy. But coming from a speed triple now on a road king and they are big AF but I’ve hustled it through some turns and was pleasantly surprised with the handling just gotta ride them correctly. Obviously not as good as a sport bike or a touring but good enough.

[@joedoe62]

I ride a harley , but not one of those baggers , they are useless , if you want a harley you can really ride and have fun on , its a dyna , they corner very well , and handle very well on roads with lots of turns . He should have pulled over with no problems and let others go , but if i was in front , we both would of had alot of fun on those turns .

[@ngware8987]

He is an ass, yes. And I know the dragon well. I also know that it sucks to be expected to interrupt your ride constantly to pull over for jackasses that think they’re on a race track, doing twice or more the posted speed limit. We are going to lose this great ride one day. Too many deaths and injuries. Or they will need to destroy it for ten years to straighten it for the semis. Everyone needs to slow down and enjoy. It is not a closed circuit for professional riders.

[@omarsalgado9715]

Well said, sir. It is needed that for once and for all that these supposedly fast riders stop thinking they are in a racetrack and that everyone else that is going under their pace needs to pull over to one side to let them pass. If they feel the need to go "fast", they can go to a trackday and stop being morons on public roads.

[@rausemause3109]

Harley rider is watching the road and this nutcracker is on his ass giving him two things to worry about the road and the fool behind him either pass his ass up and get it over with or back down and stop tailgating.

[@zero240gl8]

people who disliked this dont pull off

[@watchmestress4182]

As fun as the dragon looks to ride I think I would choose to avoid it because of the amount of drama and bullshit that seems to happen there.

[@dukie1616]

Either he was being a D or it took all his concentration to take the corners and didn’t have any left to give you room to pass. Usually at that point I take a chill and stand back a bit, give them the room to putter.

[@DeliveredCarCare]

I live in this area, it’s so annoying how many out of town people come in and slow everyone down. We put the turn out spots in for a reason. Believe me, all of us locals are just as angry as anyone else. P.S. flat landers are the worst. Jk. Lol.

[@JamesScottSi]

I agree with that flat landers comment. I got a good laugh. Overwhelming my experience with fellow riders is positive, and then there is the exception. I just happened to capture and post the exception. Be well - cheers.

[@jimjohnson3307]

Turn out spots are for emergency pull offs, not for hotdogs with a death wish.

[@TheCdubbleyoo]

My first time there, I was behind a cruiser and perfectly content to stay there as I got used to the road. I was concentrating on the road, not so much whether someone was behind me. I would not say we were going particularly slow and definitely at the posted limits. Suddenly and Aprilia rider decided to pass both of us, which I frowned upon. If you don't let me know you're back there, I don't know to let you pass. This is particularly so when there is someone in front of me. And, to make it clear, absolutely pulled over to let people pass when I knew they'd caught up to me. I get there are "rules" for The Dragon, but I don't get how I'm supposed to put them before the rules of riding (unless one needs to change lanes or is stopped at an intersection, one's concentration should be directed down range).

[@mikeb8342]

Incorrect..... you are supposed to check your mirrors from time to time, NOT ride with tunnel vision. If someone honked at you from behind, you gonna say "oh, I guess he wants to pass" or "you don't have some right to pass.... fall back!"? In the moment.... me thinks the latter.

[@1zanglang]

Really?! You have mirrors on your bike. Use them! For your and others safety, and because it's mandatory by rules of the road.

[@seanmurphy637]

Mirrors should be checked regularly. More regular the slower you are going.

[@RBZ68]

I never want to be holding up anyone else's ride. I ride a supersport, but by no means am I a "knee dragger". I'd rather ride at my own pace without someone tailgating me, so I gladly wave them around.

[@landydrvr71]

There is always that guy who will not move over. Many HD riders will move right enough for me to get by when riding a screaming sport bike but not when I ride my Triumph Rocket. They see another cruiser and don't give way. I AM faster than you, even on my big girl, pull over. Been riding the Dragon for over 15 years. You stayed behind this guy for longer than I would have.

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

Truth is most HD riders are intimidated by sport bike riders. I own both, I enjoy both-- different bike for different applications. The only HD guy tho is threatened by sport bikes that's why you get these different behaviors. They're extra intimidated tho by a skilled sport bike rider that also rides a cruiser because the extended skills from track and twisty shredding make you a much better rider on the large heavy cruiser.... which riding very well of course takes skill-- seeing a stunt rider for example in a film doing difficult manuevers with a big heavy bagger is amazing and all the Sons of Anarchy wannabe dentist can do is putt around on it. But the cruiser is not meant for a technical twisty road I wouldn't take mine on the dragon that's stupid.

[@ShellersClassic]

Try living here in OH. So many of the riders carryover their car mentality to riding a bike. They'll behave as though a large rectangle of metal extends 3 feet to either side, and about 8 feet to the front and back. They would love to share the road, if only there was enough space. Watching the video, it's easy to get the sense that the Harley rider was indulging himself by blocking your path, and became frustrated as he realized he was powerless to continue doing so. I read the other comments, and I couldn't get enough of the meter maids whining about your overtake. It seemed safe and effective to me.

[@JamesScottSi]

Thank you.

[@paulh9301]

Just rode through the dragon recently. Those cruisers don't pull over for nobody, no matter how slow they are.

[@girlinagale]

The sped up bits look a quarter of the speed of Isle Of Man TT riders!

[@JamesScottSi]

I got a nice laugh out of this ... I'd enjoy riding my adventure-mule-motorcycle on the Isle of Man, that'd be a treat.

[@_Napoletano_]

Idk why cruiser riders even do the dragon. You can drive slow af on any public road. Ppl go there for brisk riding. Thats like going to the drag strip and running a pedal bike.

[@SILVERK5]

or complaining about the noise ! loll..🤣

[@ji3946]

they have a mentality where they can't believe other bikes handle, brake, accelerate better, and are way more reliable. I've owned both, the HD has a chain welded to it at the bottom of a lake holding the buoy I tie my boat to

[@chrissmith7669]

Given how all over the road he was I think he was beyond his abilities. A couple times he was over the divider. Not good

[@slowphil47]

I agree with your assessment of his abilities but actually his tires were over the divider more than a couple of times, the rest of the time when he was on an outside curve if his tires were on the correct side his head wasn't.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I just rode tail of the Dragon for the first time. I will be installing an air horn before I am there again . In the last two weeks I have been run out of my lane 3 times and pulled out in front of twice.. Really need that Air Horn to wake up the idiots..

[@rogerrose8220]

Worst bikes to get behind are HDs, especially in packs. Haven't had one slide over yet... And I ride a Harley!

[@MotoBrosMoto]

They always get mad. Like it's a damn parade or something

[@steveoconnor7069]

They have bought into the HD propaganda. Damn it I paid more for my bike than 90% of any of the other riders out here! They are not supposed to pass me! :)

[@MotoBrosMoto]

@@steveoconnor7069 truth

[@sydneymarie67]

He's just jealous cause your pipes aren't dragging at a 10° lean angle😂

[@djmysticalone321]

No need to make fun of any bike

[@sydneymarie67]

@@djmysticalone321 except this. Fair game to be made fun of.

[@justsomedude445]

@@djmysticalone321 unless its just a fact

[@scottjeffers8814]

I think if all of you will notice the double lines on the road….that means no pass!

[@adstryker5084]

That's why it is critically important for slower traffic to use the pull-outs.

[@paulbiggs9279]

I wouldn't have waited as long as you did, you were very patient. Harleys.....🙈

[@norseman5041]

yesterday we were a group of sport bike riders who caught up on a very slow team of HD riders, last one on a trike licking the yellow. We were behind them for a good 15 minutes, they did not give two F's and road in the middle of the road not letting anyone pass safely, so when the opportunity came, we throttled up to pass them. I had to get in-between them when a big rig came towards us, man did they get pissed. Fingers up, pistol hand gestures. What is wrong with these people, any normal individual would ride on the side of the road letting us pass in a safe manner, but no, not these idiots. They own the road on their 50hp 900 ibs machines, no riding gear except the huge chain holding their empty wallet after investing in the fake lifestyle machine.

[@raytycker1656]

Hell some sport bikes run as much as some Harleys.

[@kimhorton6109]

So getting passed is a slap against your what??? Why get pissed. People pass up there all the time, especially if it’s a weekend. No biggie.

[@xxsunnymelodyxx77]

It’s where you pass ... not how. I have an assortment of motorcycles from HD to Bmws.

[@heathwest3718]

Maybe a knock against his pride or ego

[@bigkev8949]

he`s riding a poxy harley, he was probably already angry.

[@thatguy8005]

Some people on a ride are oblivious to anything going on around them.

[@bogader1399]

Maybe he didn’t wanna pull over , just sayin u could have been just as courteous and rode his speed it’s not about the destination but the ride is what’s important

[@JamesScottSi]

hello - true ... I was slingshotting there for a bit ... slow down, then speed up, slow down, then speed up ... all the while hopeful one could do the seemingly effortless thing and simply slide right for 5 seconds. It all worked out and we got to see the bird.

[@knightingalesaid]

Road rage on the Dragon. I wouldn't stereotype Harley. There are a lot of different cruisers out there. He may be just an angry rider. He could have pulled over, true. Its not wise to exasperate the situation either.

[@JamesScottSi]

Hi Gary and wishing you well. My best friend rides a Street Glide and I'm a former '98 Electra Glide and '05 Ultra Classic owner. We all get to ride are ride and I'll continue to move over no matter what I own. It's not a what you ride thing ... it is individual choice and he can choose to stay left and get a little sideways about a pass. Stay well and safe travels.

[@stevebarnhart2090]

I ride a Harley, but not in the middle of they road, that guy was very unskilled.

[@plpelny]

I hope my comment was less dangerous than the "educational" video.