Death Penalty & Anti Death Penalty: Is There Middle Ground? | Middle Ground

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[@jubilee]

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[@upincloud244]

u gey omega lul

[@kefla9275]

Do one where teens find common ground I would to be in one

[@immymcmullen2437]

I think one on climate change would be really interesting :)

[@mattyoung3495]

>Progressive vs Conservative >Racists (bigots) vs Free love (blended familys) >Muslims vs christians >Fitness fanatics vs body positive fanatics

[@ayliahchloe2300]

I applied. As a student in psychology and an extremely unbelievable background. I am a BLM advocate and use psychology in everything. I have taken many class in psychology, addictions, and neuroscience. >People who believe drug addiction is a choice versus people who say that nature and nurture effect addiction >People who believe in psychology versus people who believe it is quackery >People who trust the system versus people who do not

[@pranavtripathi6336]

That afro guy really has anime main character level faith in humanity

[@therealone935]

He gives me a naruto vibe

[@GenesicKaiser]

Afro Jesus.

[@imcostovers1332]

Tru 😂

[@calebwilliams586]

@Hashtag GetRekt why is your view of right and wrong permanent? In my experience there is so much I do not know that my beliefs are constantly changing

[@calebwilliams586]

@Hashtag GetRekt thanks

[@gugu704]

Afro man would jump in the middle of the war yellin’: “yall stop shooting its bad lol”

[@CCubes88]

Poor guy 😔. Damn I’d lowkey rather stand with him than be on either side bough

[@CCubes88]

*though

[@xxbeatsxx8119]

Gugu we need more people like him tbh😂imagine how nice the world would be

[@IsabellaaaRider]

XxBeatsxX Either everyone or none. If he’d control the justice system we’d be fucked it’d be abused so much but if everyone was as kind, genuine and peaceful as him the world would be underdeveloped but peaceful and happy.

[@iceman4154]

You can tell who are feminine, emotional and weak and who are for justice.

[@leahdelanry8568]

I got so upset when they brought up that that mother who killed her husband for what he did to their daughter should have just had trust in the legal system, do you understand how many people who had trust in the legal system for assault and how many got the bare minimum or nothing?

[@sleepingrogue4130]

so, fuck the legal system, right?

[@youfool444]

There is not a jury in the world who would try her. She got away with it.

[@rielhsliso8363]

She dhould still get death penslty. Thats what you get for taking matters into your own hands

[@m.l.k.7]

@@rielhsliso8363 I think she should get the death penalty for taking matters into her own hands if the legal system is actually doing their job and is to be trusted in serving justice. So considering how many predators get away with only the bare minimum if anything, her actions Don't deserve the death penalty. Though I do think she should serve time in jail.

[@cutecat4085]

@@youfool444 jn no ⁸

[@fairyonice9504]

The only argument needed to be against the death penalty: you can free the wrongly accused, but you can’t bring the executed back from the dead.

[@kieranmooney3453]

Yes that’s why they are executed. To put an end to their heinous crimes. I believe our justice system needs work and the death penalty can’t be thrown around. Innocent people of course should not be executed and there needs to be a way to fix that. But I believe the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed horrible acts of terror and who have the complete disregard for human life. Ted Bundy escaped from prison twice and each time he escaped, he raped and murdered more women. That’s why the death penalty exists and that’s why he was executed. People who can’t play by the rules regarding human life must not be allowed to live amongst us

[@fairyonice9504]

@@kieranmooney3453 and there are many people who have been wrongly executed. I’ll never be ok with killing innocents. Especially when the justice system is so incompetent. There will never be a world where there are no wrongful convictions. But I do understand where you are coming from.

[@kieranmooney3453]

@@fairyonice9504 I’m with you! We need to stop the execution of innocent people. Definitely needs reform. They need to be 100% sure someone did the crime before they toss the death penalty around.

[@Tomb-Wraith]

@@kieranmooney3453 Which is impossible, and any entry level Crim Law class will teach you that.

[@luislebron3082]

I agree but we can’t just have monster locked in a box forever living off our tax. Why should i pay for a child abuser to live , we need more options

[@samanthagrace5227]

That dude with the afro is literally the "you can run over me and I'll say thanks" meme

[@heathermartin7459]

Samantha Grace omfg lmaooooooo. I’m dead 😂😭

[@lennyface8387]

Idk why but he looks like a carl

[@esnyj.7410]

He is the next Bob Ross

[@alejandroseverinodiamond5097]

No he would say “sorry”

[@liquidsleepgames3661]

@@esnyj.7410 i thought the same thing damn a nalck bob ross

[@kendalljohnson4374]

The guy in the Afro is like bob ross but without paintings

[@jacobhoward5237]

omg i was thinking the samething and was hoping the whole time he would say "hi, thanks for joining me today"

[@kayp.3832]

I AM CRYING! omg lol

[@baldridgeroy]

Yeah that dude getting robbed everyday.

[@malloy6400]

Kendall Johnson and he’s black (no I’m not saying he can’t be like bob ross since he is black I just thought it was funny ) :)

[@chacha-dh1gj]

He is the painting

[@rachelorvis3166]

Even though I disagree with Sean's views, I adore his empathy so much. That's a great quality to be able to belive the best for everyone and isn't so common anymore.

[@SunnyExMusic]

That’s how you get cucked

[@Douchebagus]

That's because people aren't so naïve.

[@mrsavagemans]

@@Douchebagus but it shouldn’t make us naive we should do better as humans where as believing in other humans isn’t naive that’s just sad

[@vanillyswirl]

Dark empath: having empathy that focuses on the well-being of evil people

[@BlameItOnMercury]

@@vanillyswirl Where did you find that term? Thats very interesting.

[@jamesprosser7236]

There were really 3 sides to this conversation: Pro-Death Penalty, Anti-Death Penalty with forgivness and Anti-Death Penalty because that one dude would instead rather see them rot in jail with no remorse

[@sebastiano728]

I disagree most with the last guy. That's just spending taxpayer money on someone to keep using up the Earth's resources for no reason. I'm anti- death penalty and pro-rehabilitation, but if that's the alternative I'd rather put the guy out of his misery and move on.

[@hananna1825]

@@sebastiano728 The death penalty is more expensive than a life sentence though

[@sebastiano728]

@@hananna1825 I might be wrong, but from what I understand, keeping a person in death row is far more expensive per year, but once they're dead they stop being a cost to the state, while the life-imprisoned inmate will continue costing the state their entire life.

[@hananna1825]

@@sebastiano728 usually the court cases that are needed in which to push through a death penalty are really expensive. I think inmate cost per year works out to be quite cheap (in the USA). AmnestyUSA breaks it down well.

[@rd_k11]

@@hananna1825 this is where you live in a bad paradox. Anti-death penalty people argue we would need to know for sure they did it, yet say it would cost too much than to just give them life. We should not throw away an idea just because the system it is under is flawed.

[@SamSto]

Dude with the afro has way more faith in humanity than I have ever seen literally ever

[@pinkrimmedazureeyes]

Sam Not a good thing for people to follow a man like him

[@03raq]

I agreed with him on every single point.

[@seanlacey6444]

@@03raq Lol nah he was optimistic to a fault

[@part-timepartytime9621]

An idealist through and through, also more commonly known as "the first to die" when shit gets real.

[@03raq]

He has probably more optimism on us than you have in yourself. If he'd be the first to die he would because society is shit not because he is. He'd not be alive to think about that but the rest living people would and reflect.

[@scanter]

The suit guy looks like he’s the boss baby

[@codyhendrickson6475]

💀💀💀

[@ruminateog3889]

Sean Cataldo boss baby is blonde tho

[@thampisunil9570]

😂😂

[@yoyogo1292]

Na he looks like the CEO in boss baby in the Netflix series

[@christiandunn3669]

Kinda like the ceo of the series

[@therealtorment]

The only reason im anti death penalty is because it sort of feels like they get off the hook in a way. You could either make a horrible person suffer for the rest of their life to pay for their crimes or just end their life quickly

[@archravenineteenseventeen]

Remember George stinney

[@radhakrishnaputri6071]

You should cut off their hands and legs..

[@savagecabbage138]

im against it because 4% of people on death row are innocent and its also expensive

[@lotus5067]

In my opinion, the only thing worse than death is torture. Most people deserving of the death penalty are already past the point of remorse, so making them think about their crimes won't do anything. Bottom line for me is, at least they get to live. Their victims don't.

[@lotus5067]

@@savagecabbage138 a) check your statistics and context b) it's not nearly as expensive as keeping them in jail for their entire life

[@run4walk]

Statistically, increasing the severity of the punishment up to the death penalty has VERY little effect on crime rates. People don't commit crimes with the expectation of getting caught. Pickpocketing used to have a sentence of hanging. And other pickpockets would go to the crowds of people watching someone get hanged for picking pockets, and pick their pockets. Lots of people were gathered in a small area, lots of bumping into each other and everyone was distracted. Easy opportunity to pick pockets. Didn't matter what the punishment was. If you want to reduce crime, you need to convince people that getting caught is LIKELY, not that is carries great sentences.

[@gentlemancharmander4411]

Then explain Vlad III Tepes’s rule of Wallachia people commit crimes because they don’t fear the consequences

[@shroudedgrove4679]

@@gentlemancharmander4411 Explain your poor grammar.

[@slayer2608]

Then explain Saudi Arabia has 0 crime or any first world middle east em nation or Chechnya in Russia

[@allyncardenasd1158]

@@gentlemancharmander4411 people commit crimes because they’re criminals, no matter the consequences

[@run4walk]

@@slayer2608 Saudia Arabia has crime. It's on the low side, but you can't assume that's because of harsh sentencing. Norway's Crime rate is significantly lower than Saudi Arabia's and capital punishment was abolished decades ago. Chechnya's crime rate may be lower than elsewhere in Russia but it's crime rate is growing faster than almost anywhere else in Russia. So, again, a better example is needed.

[@yungsoy7561]

If I ever go to court ima pray the guy with the Afro is my judge

[@toofy2725]

Lol

[@ieatpancreas2005]

SAME

[@kaylanshoultz7722]

Just don't do something that deserves the death penalty.

[@nuggetbutter1314]

MC Elroy your going get your ass kicked

[@kaylanshoultz7722]

@@nuggetbutter1314 you're*

[@chunktruffleshuffle1606]

Me: he killed my entire family with a sodering iron. Afro dude: come on man, don't hold a grudge

[@The6jkl1]

😂😂 a sodering iron. Damn dog you evil

[@didlydoo7029]

BentheCookie blame nobody? Jesus Christ.

[@danielaflores8090]

BentheCookie it’s sad that you think that just because someone has different opinions as you they were raised incorrectly.

[@dontmindme.imjustafraidofe9327]

I’m shocked! This actually used to _be_ me!

[@brendan594]

ChunK TruffleShufflE lol

[@leonardpriestley6822]

I wonder if Afro guy still has the positive outlook on life four years later.

[@rogerthat1758]

Look at what happened to sneako… did a whole 360 and became extremely toxic

[@vanillarice6163]

@@rogerthat1758 either you mean 180 or he was always toxic

[@LetsBendReality]

It's tough for sure, definitely ups and downs...BUT I STILL GOT THE POSITIVITY! 🎉❤🎉✌🏿🌍✌🏿

[@quetixio8996]

Despite being pro-death penalty, I find the guy with the afro hair inspiring. He was the only one in the opposing team which made me question some things despite initially agreeing with people who are in the same team as my belief

[@theodoremcdonald9471]

I find the idea of someone like you who supports state-sanctioned execution of unarmed prisoners getting "inspired" by anything to be a sickening prospect.

[@ameliafailla635]

i almost cried when bob ross hugged the business dude

[@zain4019]

lemongirl :)

[@SayNO2CAMEABUSE]

Black bob ross

[@bazkoa5215]

He's the most wholesome human being I think i've ever seen

[@ari-sy5jb]

bonan bray

[@erictheguapo]

I looked at that a little different. Those 2 guys he hugged were the ones that said their mothers shouldnt be exempt of the death penalty. The Afro Dude came at them afterwards saying he was shocked and that was the problem with society. Then at the end, he hugged them both and said "How is your mother?". I personally think the guy was being passive aggressive and was essentially backhanding them in the guise of a hug.

[@char5297]

why is the girl literally saying: “😳😐” combined

[@sidditys21]

char i just got it 😂😂😂

[@ayylien6148]

Sidditty S I don’t get it

[@sidditys21]

Ayy Lien her face

[@_aragornyesyes_7171]

I think she needed to piss during all of that

[@dopeblacktherapist]

omg lol accurate

[@ukidk6862]

this conversation must be encouraged, its really amazing to see how people think and how they justify things in there heads

[@sam5900]

This channel has really helped me to understand myself and my beliefs better. Thank you guys for the awesome videos!

[@bullsquid42]

I kinda want the afro guy to be my friend, but deep down I know nobody could ever truly deserve a friend like that.

[@vichernandezii]

His full name is Sean Hill and he's a poet.

[@imvegan1994]

But then that’s a bad thing, Afro guy deserves friends

[@lordjah]

💀😂

[@blueridgeocean]

I don't trust him. And to be honest I think he is in denial.

[@juho5282]

@@blueridgeocean In denial about what exactly?

[@Zane_Alto]

No one: That girl: 👁👀👀👁👁👀👀

[@esculturajericho9788]

It's bothering me

[@JTPCovers]

y u hev to b meen

[@tylerdavis2435]

may I speak to your manager 😱😨👁️‍🗨️

[@uncannysama]

Hahahaha I was literally thinking this

[@stevencollins7851]

AOC Junior

[@queenjonafa9768]

This is such a great exercise. I also appreciated how everyone got to speak on their reasonings

[@overdrive7349]

The issue is not the death penalty, it's the legal system that fails to work.

[@FinanceDreaming]

"There was a woman who set her husband on fire". Erin: tHaTs nOt vEgan

[@knightcool7769]

Rebel90x hahahahahahhaha😂😂 this KIlLLeD Meee

[@cecysanchez8071]

im so happy i get this comment 😂

[@personman8131]

😂😂 I understand!!😂😂

[@amyra3210]

IM CACKLING

[@ladyrootz3311]

He raped her child .

[@nelsongonzales1263]

The death penalty would only work if people who were on death row were 100% guilty. But our world isn’t perfect, and people do get falsely incriminated all the time.

[@wopich9570]

I would say the death penalty should only be for people who confessed to their crime.

[@krotson6647]

StrangaDanga But why would anyone confess if theyre gonna get killed after, I wouldn’t confess

[@bobaGogo]

I dont like the thought of death penalty, even if they are guilty.

[@ellelangley6825]

@@Niiju Oh really? What kind of proof? If you're talking about eye witnesses, it's been proven that people can be mislead and coerced into give false witness testimony. DNA evidence? Cross contamination is a thing. Video? Deep fakes. The truth is you can never really be sure who killed a person unless they confess to it or if they are caught in the act. Nothing in the world is 100 percent reliable and innocent people have been executed before.

[@orestis9575]

That's exactly right!!!

[@FootyManagerTV]

Forget his opinions for a second on these topics, but the guy with the Afro is incredibly friendly. Just like a breath of fresh air to see because these days there’s so many that have this negative energy about them, he’s the opposite to that.

[@mrkibs1145]

This video was very wholesome. I love this series because it let's me hear the perspective of a person who I would normally never talk to

[@adebimpeonikan9631]

brown-haired girl came to fight..

[@magnusdahl-spangby2006]

There's only 1 girl

[@RhodesWC]

...and loose badly.

[@saraf5414]

Couldn't help it. She's too emotional

[@David-xy4br]

Kyla18 She’s Wrong every time she speaks lmao

[@babydolphin2423]

David 4949 that’s in your opinion you subjective minded little person

[@spoot3724]

Afro man... love you bro but you would NOT survive a zombie apocalypse😂

[@angry8637]

My man would try to hit it off with the zombies 😂

[@spoot3724]

Angry facts😂 he gonna be like: just because it’s eating people, doesn’t mean they can’t be rehabilitated. 😂

[@spoot3724]

Kaneki Ken you know he’d try to reason with him. He’s a martyr. That’s not bad! The likelihood of him surviving a zombie apocalypse is slim to none tho. Eye somebodies got to be that person!

[@spoot3724]

αlιуαн you know why?? Bc they don’t deserve the death penalty 😂😂😂

[@thaisbehaghel8322]

So what? A zombie apocalypse will never be real

[@lauracw_24]

This one is easilyyy my fav Jubilee debate. Clever, factual and intriguing. Very civilized too.

[@studyvibes8657]

I loved this middle ground discussion. There was no power dynamics, everyone got the chance to speak about their views and even though, they might've not agreed with the other side, they respected their opinions. I watched this one after the rich vs poor and men's rights activists one, and what an absolute joy it was to watch these people argue in a civilised manner unlike the above mentioned videos

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

1.) Private school vs. public school (teachers, parents, or a mix on both sides) 2.) Homeschool vs. public school (“alumni” or teachers) 3.) Religion vs. LGBT+ (a mix of religions)

[@stevestizzy]

Religion vs. LGBT+ is already out but only with Christians. Not sure if this is why you added the ( ) part :P

[@cinnamonthecat9661]

i second the homeschool vs public school.

[@yourbae1128]

stevestizzy they have Muslims and LGTBQ too

[@kermitbaby3330]

I feel like religious people and lgbt people aren’t always on “opposing ends” of the spectrum, so I’m not sure how they could make a video in this format about that

[@TheLuci915]

I would love to see homeschool parents and public school teachers talk.

[@klevelty611]

girl: that woman was doing some global justice for burning her husband also girl: I'm anti-death penalty

[@willywonka6948]

Honestly, that situation is amazing, because it exposes hypocritical thinking on either side. Just suppose that a guy killed a victim, and then the girl killed the guy. Should the girl be killed? PRO DEATH PENALTY: The woman should be killed, but this suggests that the guy shouldn't have been killed which is inconsistent with these ideals. ANTI-DEATH PENALTY: The woman shouldn't be killed, but then this suggests that the guy should have been killed which is inconsistent with these ideals. My thoughts on this are shaky and not as concrete as they should be (as this is a new concept for me), but I just needed to write this down to help me think about it a bit more.

[@kk8490]

@Willy Wonka well, it’s only hypocritical thinking if you assume that the reasoning for wanting the death penalty or not is based solely on the moral stance one takes on the woman’s actions. So, for example, the pro-death penalty one. You say it exposes hypocrisy on the pro-death penalty side if they want the woman to be executed because it suggests that what the woman did (killing her husband) was wrong, which is hypocritical since they believe in the government killing people who commit crimes. But, someone who is pro death penalty might tell you that they don’t necessarily believe that the outcome of the husband dying is wrong, and on a personal level they might even agree that it was global justice. But they would say that it’s wrong and bad for society that the _wife_ is the one that killed him and broke the law in doing so. They’re argument would be on a legal basis, centering around deterrence, and not on whether they personally support what she did on an emotional level.

[@willywonka6948]

@@kk8490 Thank you for your response as it helps me when thinking about this topic. However, basing a decision solely on legality is basing the decision on what someone else has decided because what is legal has been decided by someone else. Therefore, the person who made the laws the way they are was basing it off of what they think morally and therefore is hypocritical.

[@kk8490]

@Willy Wonka true, it is basically kicking the ball down the road, but I suppose most things are like that. The government punished people who kidnap people by kidnapping them and throwing them in a jail cell, stealing is wrong but the state can and does forcibly take money from you come tax season. A lot of government action can come across as hypocritical, but they can do things citizens can’t because as a society we vest power to our governments and allow them to have a monopoly on these actions. I think that’s called the social contract but I’m not 100% sure. A pro death penalty person would just argue to extend it to include state sanctioned execution. But I agree it’s a weak argument, and I find most pro death penalty arguments unpersuasive. I’m really glad I live in a country that doesn’t have it lol.

[@daniellelynch6995]

But that is a difference when it is outside the Justice system

[@nyakhanchap2094]

I am anti death penalty but both sides had great points.

[@suzannerust8658]

I am also anti death penalty but yes, I agree that some of the people in this video made great points

[@triple859]

When the girl said the mother shouldn’t get the death penalty for burning the dude she contradicted her whole position. She’s saying that she doesn’t deserve the death penalty by burning her husband (administered death penalty herself) because of how heinous of a crime he committed. In words, she’s justifying the death penalty.

[@dominiquecoleentiu1972]

Mhmm dont think so, i kinda get her, it'll be more ironic if she agreed for the mother to go through death penalty. If she did agreed, it'd means she also agrees to what the mother did (killing the husband) which she is clearly not. I think what she's saying is that there is a better solution to the problem by giving the mother a less level of sentence, like life sentence, just as the mother should've punished the husband anything rather than murdering him. Its hard to explain, but she's not justifying the murder of the wife.

[@GabrielRaskind]

Nope. That’s a huge oversimplification f her argument. The difference is whether death is being dealt by the government. People are always going to commit murder. We know that. But that isn’t capital punishment.

[@shawn-8077]

that isn;t actually a death penalty though, that's just murder, because death penalty is under the law, while this isn't. I guess that mother can be categorized as a vigilante of sorts.

[@bgos4727]

Did you even listen to her, that isn't what she is saying

[@alissaswan5060]

What

[@urinal81410]

dude with afro literally every round: 🏃

[@BadBatzMaru]

Matthew Except the Mother’s deathrow thing.

[@jakunomx9351]

Rasheev the compooter haxxer is missing his morning runs so he has to do that instead

[@Ash-ty4qp]

Yes and I stood by it🙌

[@b00ksh3]

HAHAHA

[@frankzanella4917]

She was probably the 4 year old that smashed that vase on the ground

[@mortuc1]

I didnt get that example tho... Did the other guys rly propose the death penalty for that kid for smashing a vase?

[@Paradox66199]

@@mortuc1 No she was asking if that kid deserved a punishment, not the death penalty But she was basically asking whether they would spank the kid or talk to the kid (not literally)

[@Coldfront15]

Paradox It should be both. They should understand there are consequences for actions and they need to be explained why.

[@Paradox66199]

@@Coldfront15 You do realize that in context the example means whether to give someone the death penalty or not right? I agree but in this situation you can't have both

[@lyzziekelly]

she's the anti-vaxx "Karen" mom who let's her hooligan children do what they want and never punishes them cus its everyone elses fault for not accepting her child's behavior

[@hannitamarie]

Hey Jubilee, have you thought about bringing one or more people to the show, who aren't sure where they stand on a subject to see if the polarizing views help them make a decision? And then maybe interviewing them, afterwards? Just a thought.

[@katmar7870]

It is so interesting to talk about the concept of forgiveness. I have talked to someone who has experienced horrific traumatic things during WWII (Jewish). They have told me, that in order to live a happy, complete life, they at some point had to "get rid of the anger and forgive". It was not about the people commiting the crime, but about selflove and "moving on", retaking the power over your own life and not be a "slave" to someone elses choices. I have no idea how I would deal with such trauma, but it was so very inspiring.

[@darthsidius5639]

I've dealing with the same thing. I had so much hate towards a person , but after a point I want to move on. The problem was that I was feeling, that by forgiven him, it was like a favor towards him. Until I uderstand that forgiveness is something you do for yourself in order to move on and not be stuck in the past and all the bad felling that came with the past. When I try to explain this to other people they don't get it at all, so I am happy there are out there people that uderstand this concept of forgiveness. (sorry for bad English)

[@ashleylovestennis6476]

That is a fallacy I have not always forgiven people for harm they might have done to me and yet I live a perfectly happy life.

[@Widdekuu91]

Forgiving is very difficult and is not always something you're able to do but actively hating someone (or being afraid of someone that's still out there) is exhausting. So, if forgiveness means to stop actively making hating-them a part of your day, then yes.

[@Aiibh]

I'll be honest. You do not have to forgive a person who has wronged you. You can forget what they did, become indifferent towards them but you definitely do not have to forgive them.

[@midgetfitzgerald7845]

Instead of saying we need more people like the Afro guy, let’s say we should BE more like him.

[@sterloin]

He’s way too over-optimistic.

[@Raviadhonis]

@@sterloin but we got too much pessimistic people in this world. Just be more kind to everyone

[@sterloin]

Ravi Adonis Over optimism is worse than pessimism.

[@emmanuelmartin3908]

SterloinAce it seems like you need to be like him

[@sterloin]

Emmanuel Martin yes, we should realize ALL criminals if they weally apologize.

[@cariocaemfuria3946]

"Everyone deserves a second chance." Dude who agrees: "Personally, I don't think everyone deserves a second chance."

[@vggglat6424]

lmao

[@siljablondal8130]

the same with the question of whether everyone could forgive anything with time

[@k.4625]

Their victims certainly didn't get a second chance

[@fahrenheit2101]

Lmao he just wanted an argument.

[@nonosquare4258]

my man straight was like "I agree but I disagree but I agree"

[@shanna-leeshaw1942]

I love watching these and putting myself in these situations whether I'm for or against becuase these questions let me find out the kind of person that I am also.

[@aidenp.1000]

Same

[@stephanierogers-xo2xr]

I totally agree! It really makes you introspective about your views while actively listening to people’s differing views.

[@astralfluxaf]

I think what I’m learning the most from middle ground is that Soooo many people are on the same side as one another but half of those people can’t think beyond the first step so it makes them believe that is as far as it goes…

[@fuckboi_factory8876]

This girl was triggered before anybody said anything

[@mrglass1637]

Guaranteed her hero is AOC lol

[@ismine539]

She used a scenario with a 4 year old child. That’s not even a fair argument

[@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139]

RIGHT

[@winniethepooh8353]

@@ismine539 exactly, and it had an easy answer. The child knew what it was doing

[@adrian-pj6hq]

She's crazy like paranoia methheads

[@chgo-kj7cj]

I'm anti-death penalty, but that one woman was seriously high on something.

[@djspunz]

Meth

[@trybunt]

Maybe. Some people just get worked up about this that they really care about

[@eriodesee9095]

1ch1go 33 she is so annoying her smile 🤢🤢

[@juliapetri2820]

Ben Walker haha 😂

[@wonderland4515]

She might have a mental problem so don’t be quick to judge

[@truewantsaband]

As a victim of abuse and neglect, let me tell you, people have all sorts of compassion for your abuser but not for you. You have to hurry up and forgive or YOURE a bad person

[@arisumego]

Afro guy is a textbook example of someone like that

[@LL_main]

forgiveness isn't mean for them it's for you to not hold those emotions in your heart. feeling hatred or anger for your whole life does nothing but make YOUR life harder, your abuser may not care weather or not you forgiven them

[@mattr.1887]

For the worst of violent crimes...screw forgiveness. Criminals show no mercy on their victims, so why should society show them any mercy?

[@Bob-wr4ep]

True

[@fujiwater8574]

Well here’s one thing: sometimes when ur in a extremely traumatic experience “Forgiveness” forces upon in the form of losing ur mental state so ur body can take it, like the China chained lady who was chained to a shed forced to have 8 babies of her kidnapper

[@MrJivey267]

guy with the fro, Thumbs up bro. wholeheartedly agree with you on every point.

[@scrimbo5319]

Question: everyone deserves a second chance. Guy: *walks into circle* well I don’t believe everyone deserves a second chance

[@hoparoundme]

@Chirag Patel I dont know about that, you can really mean that everyone deserves a second chance. That means something drastically different philosophically from some people deserve a second chance and nobody deserves a second chance.

[@intergalacticraisins8985]

Later on a statement said "Anyone can forgive anyone given enough time" so the same guy came up and when he was asked if he could forgive someone who murdered his mother he said "no".

[@valeriaxcx4625]

Fr he needs to go back

[@telepat8255]

what do you think about kira and his judgement

[@KrypticSpiderMan]

L, You should just lock Light up. If you want Moral High Ground against Light/Kira.

[@user-cz6ox6zw3x]

lady, a grown person murdering 10 people is different than a 4 year old breaking a vase.

[@ruthvanbeek422]

It's a comparison

[@user-cz6ox6zw3x]

@@ruthvanbeek422 it’s a completely out of context not relevant comparison. She’s using an innocent theme to compare to a heinous theme to make the crimes seem less evil or bad.

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Thank you!

[@muh4229]

The focus is not on the crime itself but the person who commits the crime and the basis of their decision to do so.

[@ariel-dt3kx]

You don’t get what she was saying.

[@raffypongcol5031]

This one of the best videos from you

[@janjironumbrado6296]

i love how they handle their sides, all their words have great impact and having the respect in others opinions and perspectives i love thatt

[@anonymousmoose9830]

Even tho I don’t totally agree with the hippie guy, I would LOVE to be his friend. He’s so optimistic and full of life, his faith in humanity gives me faith in humanity.

[@mattiemccarthy9102]

Anonymous Moose I know he is just the personification of joy

[@hannahkhan.08]

Me too!

[@KimiRhavenrose]

Hes actually a friend of mine Sean, and he is one of the sweetest people.

[@chloeseeley6931]

That’s exactly what I was thinking! Even if I don’t agree I really just adore his outlook, it’s so kind. You don’t see many people like that in the world.

[@user-hd6lo5rs2l]

@@KimiRhavenrose oh god. Please tell him that he is so genuine and that I would LOVE to have a discussion with him. He is so optimistic!

[@tyrasmith7123]

The dude with the Afro has the biggest heart ever

[@jPlanerv2]

Yeah but sadly people who are soo good and can see goodness in everyone can be easily broken and manipulated.

[@DuskAndHerEmbrace13]

There's a difference between niceness and goodness. He's very nice and quite good.

[@crazyanimeloveable]

He is naive but definitely sweet

[@tcaDNAp]

As someone who doesn't like flaming conflict, he did a great job of playing devil's advocate without raising hackles, while he still passionately defended his belief. I want to be able to be so empathetic without caving to other people!

[@chanaebrown9761]

I love him! I wish I was that open minded.

[@gabrielr8311]

The issue is the system equates time to rehabilitation rather than developing and helping someone direct and control their mental health. The longer you are in the system you are stuck in the system, many people get released and are stuck in a loop of being controlled and directed, that loop changes you and forces you to feel as if you can not function without the system

[@swayzy762]

I read Stanley "Tookie" Williams book in 6th grade. I felt so bad when I found out he had been put to death. Maybe he deserved prison, and for due time, but I agree, he was truly remorseful for the things he had done and was destined to be remembered for.

[@dwayneasher6765]

A criminal should be punished in the most hardcore way if they hurt innocent people

[@LetsBendReality]

I'm glad that story reached you.🙏🏿😌🙏🏿

[@kazudolly]

I'm only at the beginning but that girl is like really passive aggressive

[@salamilid4125]

Shes just agressive lmao

[@zthreetwo9874]

She looks cray cray

[@TheJakebridgeman]

kawaii potato she is so unreasonable

[@zackaryhayes806]

Passionate

[@maddie-xk2uv]

Haha her saying how the woman who killed her husband was justified.. made me want to get the death penalty done do myself.

[@herbalmaharaj8790]

I loved it when the Afro dude was like “how is your mom?” Just such a bright soul man

[@holayomellamoyoly]

Zian Saakaar He doesn’t even know these people it’s all about pandering it’s not genuine it all comes from a place of ego and self proclaiming that as a facade. I’m sorry but that’s not how genuine kindness works

[@herbalmaharaj8790]

holayomellamoyoly genuine kindness works in a lot of ways..... I dunno it jus seems like a nice thing to ask about a person’s mom after having a really heavy discussion about a mother getting the death penalty.

[@matthews95_]

Dekka Bacara agreed, but I’m in no place to call it a facade so I’ll take his word for it that he’s genuinely kind

[@imurt3417]

idk it seems like a joke to me

[@shahadshd5165]

holayomellamoyoly dude there is no such thing as one kindness, there are many types of kindness

[@rafaneesmith3561]

I absolutely love the guy with the fro! I am really grateful for this as I am writing an argument essay on the death penalty!

[@hibaaa490]

“Would I want a second chance” you can want one and not deserve it. There’s a large difference between stealing candy and killing someone. What will you do if you killed someone and got a second chance? Kiss the grave?

[@fujiwater8574]

That’s like the whole justice system

[@gr33kfr3ak8]

I would be for the death penalty if there was a definite way to prove people on death row as guilty. A study came out that showed 4% of them were innocent, that’s overwhelming to me.

[@jamesbizs]

That study includes people that were convicted decades ago. Show me the study of people that were convicted recently. You know. Now that we have DNA evidence. That’s the only reason we even know about that 4%. Which means it’s nowhere near 4% today. Now, it takes a lot to be put to death. And we already have like 20 years worth of appeals before they die.

[@wxnnie3728]

Yep in retrospect that’s way too high.

[@anonymousperson3023]

Only one problem with the study... how tf do you calculate that? Detectives are detectives for a reason. I doubt a random scientist could do detective work better. There are some cases where it's clear that the wrong person was executed but that's a small number. The other 95%+ is unknown

[@bobmango8472]

@@anonymousperson3023 What a smart idea. Im sure the researchers didnt know about that. im guessing you think the person who did the research pulled the numbers out of their ass, huh?

[@nomadicskies588]

I looked it up and only 18 people have died. And that’s mostly due to them outliving the waiting line for death row

[@serenitykrug5351]

The girl was supporting the other side without meaning too. Her arguments were all over the place

[@Daisy-ge1ig]

You don't necessarily need to fit into a box have a strong belief.

[@serenitykrug5351]

@@Daisy-ge1ig ya but it was kind of the purpose of the video

[@Daisy-ge1ig]

@@serenitykrug5351 The point is to find middle ground not to necessarily agree and not switch sides.

[@serenitykrug5351]

@@Daisy-ge1ig I know that. But they are supposed to have two *opposing* views. And she was on one side supporting the other accidentally.

[@Daisy-ge1ig]

@@serenitykrug5351 True but not everything is seen black and white there are grey areas too.

[@CaptMoo]

We need a second part of this one

[@unicorntrash5965]

To me, spending the rest of my life (around 70 years) locked up sounds like a fate way worse than death

[@peterd1623]

4:46 “Everyone deserves a second chance” **guy walks to the center** Guy: “personally I don’t believe everyone deserves a second chance” Bruh...

[@rapcentral8376]

They gave him an example but as an overview he said he did

[@mattchuiko1417]

Exactly

[@radicalcentrist1242]

Always confuses me when people do that, like on the BLM/law enforcement video. "I believe all lives matter" *doesn't walk to the center yet comes in later* Guy: yea I believe all lives matter but.......

[@yolandita26]

That afro dude literally jumped

[@ryukenlmaoyes]

I think he just wanted screen time lol

[@chukwuemekaokongwu1028]

Dude in the Afro don’t lose ur smile don’t let this world make u lose it stay positive hopefully u see this

[@rens3286]

His mentalety is a great thing to have and if everyone would be like that, the world would be all sunshine and rainbows. But unfortunately that's not the case, people do horrible things and honestly i think he is just too soft. My opinion is an eye for an eye and not everyone deserves a second change.

[@Defamation_]

@@rens3286 An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. If someone does something it's just going to cause a chain reaction of someone else going to go get back at that person. I don't disagree with the death penalty personally, but we really should put more consideration into the circumstances of what happened and why it happened. Some people are just cold blooded killers, some people however commit a murder once (I say murder because it's still a murder no matter the circumstances), and would never do it again. Say for instance the woman that set the man on fire for what happened to her daughter. I don't think she should get the death penalty. Life in prison? Maybe. Life in prison with a CHANCE to eventually go free on a supervised parole? Absolutely. I also think however she should have gone to the cops and that the guy deserved to go through the due process of the law. I feel like he should have got the death penalty, but that's up to the courts. Two wrongs don't make a right but my whole point in stating this is there are most of the time circumstances where bad stuff happens to family or children and during a fit of rage someone acts out. I think the death penalty should be a last ditch effort or saved for the most heinous crimes. I'm a bigger fan of life in prison for most of the people. But someone that say murders an entire family in my opinion does deserve the death penalty.

[@zero-vd8jh]

Oh yea Yea Someone told me that once too,unfortunately it’s easier said than done.

[@sebastiansoriano2287]

Official Barack Hussein Obama II his argument is not derived from a delusional stand point of everyone being a good person, but more so the rehabilitation for criminals and opportunities. There’s a very thin line between punishment and rehabilitation in this country. The Probations and parole systems are terrible considering the fact that most of them don’t care about you. Most parole officers see between 100-150 people a week! Imagine that and on top of that, paper work for each person in a 40 hour week schedule...It’s a very interesting way in how The system operates. Statistically speaking most people that go to jail are very likely to just end up right back in because of the lack of resource and crappy rehab system. I love that guy’s optimism, and don’t confuse optimism with delusion, a lot of people have that huge misconception :)

[@lemorelgambino9882]

This is why people get away with the things they do lol because people exist just like the guy with the afro

[@dancemaniac3868]

The afro guy is so sweet, but he clearly hasn't really witnessed the kind of cruelty and evil that exist in this world.

[@christophergonzalez3020]

I really disagree. I understand what you guys are saying but there is a lot of people who grew up in nightmares and they still have the heart to forgive. Me personally I grew up in a bad place and some people did terrible stuff to me. In the moment yeah I hated them and grew with anger. But I realised that life is too short to be pissed off all the time

[@viinisaari]

It's actually exactly the opposite. Americans haven't experienced a properly functioning justice system, which is why they think dreaming of one is delusional.

[@coalblooded]

​@@christophergonzalez3020Was that an American History X quote at the end there? If so, you're wonderful.

[@LetsBendReality]

How do you make judgements like that witbout knowing someoens story...? Respectfully asking, since it seems youre implying the only people with positive views on life means they never witnessed anything cruel...? Genuinely asking if you know any people directly who are "positive people" who have been through cruel experiences...?

[@yasinisslep7286]

Thank you for posting this video! I find this topic very interesting personally I can't decide if I'm pro or anti.

[@mayank9885]

Mee too

[@MicalSimpson13]

Sooo let’s all agree that the Afro guy has first class tickets to heaven

[@Emanouche]

I couldn't help but think "what kind of sheltered life must you have to have that much faith in humanity". haha

[@Ava-ui1wk]

Emanouche you don’t have to have a sheltered life to have optimism in humanity. There are so many examples of people who came from horrible backgrounds that you or I could never even imagine, and they have used their experiences and turned it into optimism and enthusiasm

[@h3llboyyy407]

@@Emanouche you have victim mentality. I feel bad.

[@Lilymoo88]

When he gets to heaven I hope he doesn't let the gate hit him in the vagina on the way in.

[@mahmudarabian6804]

Emanouche sosialism 🤣

[@lindseym3185]

The whole 4 year old breaking a vase scenario is a horrible logical fallacy and a grossly disproportionate comparison to people who’ve murdered and raped people. It just seems out of place and not worth arguing over in this particular debate.

[@hannahforse316]

Of course it's disproportionate but, the principle is still the same. Punish vs rehabilitate.

[@croonie17]

@@hannahforse316 except certain situations call for rehabilitations, and certain ones call for punishment.

[@hannahforse316]

@@croonie17 hmm, I disagree. Criminals are quite obviously mentally ill. Making an effort to rehabilitate them benefits us and them.

[@petenisman5470]

@@hannahforse316 how?

[@hannahforse316]

@@petenisman5470 it benefits us as they are less likely to reoffend and it benefits them as rehabilitation will help to relieve some of their trauma.

[@madelinesalazar8145]

"We have to go above the justice system " is so valid and sooooo true

[@MrJacktheGC123]

I'm surprised not one of the anti-capital punishment people mentioned the issue of giving the state that much power

[@friendly-nemesis4754]

I'm not, because that argument is essentially meaningless; the idea that citizens "give the state power" is nothing but a self-comforting illusion; the basic fact is that whatever organized body wields the military might to hold the final veto on policy making and to ultimately enforce its dictates is, by definition, 'The State'; if you don't have such a body, you have anarchy (not a state) and if you do have one, then that body has as much power (at least with respect to the treatment of its citizens) as its operatives choose to apply, regardless of how the populace feels about it; even if you could organize a popular revolt to overthrow the current state (which likely wouldn't even be possible as long as the military still follows orders), the armed revolutionary guard would simply become a successor state, and would be similarly unanswerable until a superior military came to supplant them.

[@Alexander-pm3zx]

Jubilee: come in your casual clothes That one guy: I’m gonna come in a suit

[@route6666]

Let him wear what he wants

[@breadguy7962]

Astral Assault he’s a politician.

[@breadguy7962]

Astral Assault he always wears one

[@Willowposting]

A man of class. Gotta respect that tbh.

[@Alexander-pm3zx]

@Dominus Providebit I imagine him sleeping in this suit.

[@ernstgottschalk8023]

That woman is literally arguing for mob-justice. Afro-guy is California if California was a person.

[@himarik4609]

No, the girl is California if California was a person. She was so irritating and crazed from the beginning. The guy is more of a Washington if the state was a person.

[@frigidspectre816]

Yeah definitely gives me Seattle hippie vibes

[@himarik4609]

@@person10 ok I'll take that, however California would still be that woman

[@DuceyBlooDoe]

The fucc y'all got against the best state in America? 😂😂😂 Goofies

[@averywells2531]

Ernst Gottschalk “Colorado”

[@beccalynnM24]

I absolutely love this episode 🤍💯

[@rinmartell2678]

I think I just fall in love with Afro dude. What an amazing huming being ❤️

[@startgameover5332]

I think the afro guy will forgive me if torture him for 100 days straight ( but i will never)

[@CcCc-nq9mv]

HAHAHA

[@adam5160]

He would probably say "It's all good man, you were just doing your job.

[@NomadUrpagi]

Will you forgive yourself?

[@angelicas2355]

I do

[@aryan_kumar]

@@NomadUrpagi He did what he told himself to do so why does he have to forgive himself if he did something which is good according to him (if it were bad according to him, he wouldn't've done that).

[@Hypeman10]

Wtf with that 4 year old comment? You’re trying to equate the actions of a 4 year old breaking an object to a grown adult murdering/torturing/raping etc.

[@rainmaker3000]

Immediately looked for this comment - completely agree. Baseless argument for an adult topic

[@AFestiveDude]

It’s a example for people to express their foundation of morality. Is it better to punish or to bring understanding? Should you do both? I will say that it’s a bad example in a wildly different context, but it opens up a discussion in morality and it’s intrinsic lack of actual tangibility outside of our human perception. What she did, however, was kinda like bringing up a simple addition problem in a discussion about theoretical mathematics. Idk 🤷‍♀️

[@joshuatorres7163]

That wasn’t the logic. It was more an argument for how the punishment is dealt with. Not too hard to understand.

[@jacobwalsh8886]

@@AFestiveDude exactly, they way she put it was a sort of tactic to get you to acknowledge the theoretical 1% to justify the 99%

[@LogainTheHumane]

@@rainmaker3000 Yeah she should really stick to talking about topics in her own mental age range lmao

[@trinibarbie2161]

Dude with the fro came in off the rip making me laugh 😅🤣 I didn't think I would enjoy this one but I really did!!!

[@ConorCondor]

It's so wholesome that after the debate they are able to feel empathy an hug each other, it is really the sign of a well executed debate.

[@peestrem31]

lol

[@smul8771]

the guy in the suit, and the guy with the afro are so well spoken, it's unbelievable

[@brooklyn6279]

The guy in the suit is running for state rep in cali.

[@brooklyn6279]

KingAlAyaan Republican

[@brooklyn6279]

@@kingalayaan807 43rd

[@muffintime175]

KingAlAyaan are you gonna vote for him?

[@HiddenOcelot]

@@kingalayaan807 rip

[@TylerRobertNielsen]

Step forward if you believe everyone should have a second chance. Guy in suit: (Steps forward) I don’t believe everyone should have a second chance.

[@edithanguiano5400]

Tyler Nielsen 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TylerRobertNielsen]

Gardenia Edith I was like 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Daisy-ge1ig]

He meant it in a different light just like people on spectrum.

[@AceOfWaffles]

@@Daisy-ge1ig But he didn't agree with the statement, and stepped in anyway. "Anyone" does not mean "some people".

[@Daisy-ge1ig]

@@AceOfWaffles He explained it though. Like I said if you watched this channels Spectrum segment specifically "do all muslims think the same" you'd understand.

[@kathrynbrown1572]

I appreciate how all these participants let each other speak without interrupting, and without getting heated. Loved the Afro guy and the woman the best. They were the most articulate. ( And I agree with them) I’m thinking they must be human rights lawyers. Thank you! PS the death penalty does not deter crime.

[@quark7120]

We need more of these…

[@steevekaitharath9603]

If I was a 4 year old kid and broke a vase while starring into my mom's eye, I'm pretty sure my mom would kill me.😂

[@Cherry-hu4xm]

Virtual Survivor The real death penalty 😂😂😂

[@joelhavingavietnamflashbac2822]

Belt will fix that vase real good.

[@steevekaitharath9603]

@@joelhavingavietnamflashbac2822 🤣🤣

[@hi5_centipedes874]

Then she would get the death penalty and you'd both be dead. All because you wouldn't leave that damn vase alone!!!

[@itsyagirlzyllah9141]

Lol😅

[@orchlongala8064]

So she agrees with the woman killing her husband for his crime, but doesn't think people should be killed for their crimes?

[@damnnothere]

@@wickbobby7294 yeah she only chopped him into pieces no biggie.

[@10parth10]

I assume that incident, occurred in a fit of rage or fear if what she said would make any sense

[@aimalkhan5028]

She is hypocritical

[@Nayshjin]

@@aimalkhan5028 she is giving the wrong arguments for the right position

[@aimalkhan5028]

@@Nayshjin well i dont know about the right position but definitly thenwrong arguement

[@nickfurze6221]

There is no evidence that the death penalty is a deterrent.

[@hakeemfrancis1099]

And there’s no evidence putting people in jail deters crime. Yet we do it as a form of punishment not a deterrence same way we use the death penalty for the heinous of crime. Deterrence is the job of law enforcement.

[@Jojo-vo4cu]

​@@hakeemfrancis1099 Death penalty is primitive and ignorant. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

[@hakeemfrancis1099]

@@Jojo-vo4cuYou can make the same argument for life in prison and prison in general

[@rafaneesmith3561]

This was tastefully done!

[@rebeccanimmo9875]

The death penalty is the biggest uno reverse card I've seen.

[@momenaraja5527]

Facts!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@intelligenzbestie3121]

With the possibility to have killed someone innocent...

[@intelligenzbestie3121]

@Enrique 5573 there is no absolute perfect Proof... In many cases people thought so, but it proved to be wrong. Only then the people were already dead...

[@intelligenzbestie3121]

@Enrique 5573 that's why death punishment should be forbidden... And even If he/she acctually killed the victim... What makes killing the accused one any better?

[@intelligenzbestie3121]

@Enrique 5573 noted

[@wizardshark2928]

Prompt: “I believe everyone deserves a second chance” **Suit guy steps up** Also Suit Guy: “I don’t believe everyone deserves a second chance”

[@user-pj5fo]

You cut him off

[@marcelloberry6829]

😂 but you know what he meant

[@justinadkins2771]

He literally explained it instantly...

[@ezradavid9089]

If you could only listen to his explanation 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Zynet_Eseled]

@@ezradavid9089 I am in a half way point to what he says. I think that not giving killers a second chance is a bit too broad. Because what if it was in self defense from someone who tried to murder you? That's a different case from cold blooded murder that was pre-planned. And its these self defense cases that I think need to be the line between the pro death penalty and anti death penalty argument, which should be heavily discussed.

[@EHawk-nm9xk]

One of the best episodes

[@eggalambos9582]

Even if you can't bring yourself to forgive the person (because quite honestly I think that's unrealistic especially considering the multitude of circumstances) you have to ask yourself "do they deserve to die, does their life deserve to be taken away? And in the case of them killing others, should more lives be taken? is that a solution or is that based off of emotions?" I would also be curious to hear their views on abortions.

[@slimmyjohns2029]

The suit guy looks like a grown up version of the kid from Up

[@blackcopycat4967]

Up 2 Boy Scout ready to move up I feel like that would be a good title for up 2

[@achairflavoredsnack9386]

Why'd he grow an afro?

[@seabass4tw]

This my freind is gonna give you a First class ticket to Heaven And you will get so much Celebrity Pussy

[@ashnthree]

@@achairflavoredsnack9386 r/wooosh me?

[@randomotaku7132]

He looks more like the guy that wrestles in despicable me 2

[@spencerreid2086]

the guy with the big head of hair was so adorable he has a very optimistic view that gives me comfort.

[@mariacatana8777]

I cannot believe that only one person agreed to the fact that if people truly apologize their punishment should be reduced! I cannot believe it. Thaa..as he said. Over and over again. Thumbs up for the afro hair dude! I so wish that more of us would find that light in themselves :)

[@gionnabigolin7541]

With the "would you forgive your mother's killer" comment, I was honestly surprised with all of their answers. Call me harsh or whatever, but I personally could NEVER forgive someone who took away the most important person in my life away from me.

[@saya_miguel_akunlama3008]

@@The2ndUsername Not every cases are forgivable you know? What they meant about not forgiving is that they demand justice

[@saya_miguel_akunlama3008]

@@The2ndUsername Oh gosh cause an individual is different from a region, and Nationality. For example: The ones that got punished were the Nazi's involve in huge crimes and not the German people itself and not the nation of Germany. Also God himself demands justice that is why Hell exist

[@saya_miguel_akunlama3008]

@@adamsun6168 So you want them to be free or what?

[@saya_miguel_akunlama3008]

@@The2ndUsername Even though God forgives our sins, we still must face the consequences of our actions.

[@saya_miguel_akunlama3008]

@@adamsun6168 Yes but Justice could also mean "Face the consequences of your actions".

[@Cameron-hu6hg]

What the lady in the black said finally hit me. I was thinking she was advocating for no death penalty because the woman killed her husband and it was deserved, but then I realized she was trying to make a point that if she doesn't have the right to kill a horrible sick human being that shouldn't be a part of society, then neither do we. We as a people commit murder with the death penalty. Some may think it's justice, but it is still murder.

[@noahsimmons3181]

Cameron that's the gray issue. What the women did was vigilante(ism?). When and where aren't we able to put the law into our own lives.

[@johnnyiles7455]

she wasn't that smart

[@chic0latin0]

I do agree that she should be able to take it into her own hands if we as a society can all make a decision to have a death penalty and murdering killers and rapist is way better than caring for them and letting them live weather it’s out side jail or in prison for their lives it’s not with it. I wouldn’t wanna feed someone who murdered someone I care about

[@vividrainbowsparks1104]

She basically made an argument against laws then

[@yippehanako]

@@vividrainbowsparks1104 she made an argument against a specific law.

[@katrinafraser9746]

The thing I can never understand is this: we agree that taking someone’s life is wrong, and should be punished. But the punishment is literally to take that person’s life? That seems so hypocritical and counterproductive. It’s only okay to take a life if they took someone else’s first? I believe all life has inherent value, and yes, it’s terrible that people murder each other. They should be punished. But the way to punish murder is not to continue murdering people.

[@a.j.c3365]

I mean if they killed people for no reason but enjoyment like Ted Bundy they lost their lives how is it far he gets the gift of staying alive

[@Christina-zk1fx]

​@@a.j.c3365 In that case the punishment must be something like a life sentence. Thoses people would have to suffer all their life in prison, and to me that is an even worst punishment than a death penalty.

[@shadowknight1509]

So if someone is arrested for kidnaping then you do not think they should be put in jail? Putting them in jail is essentially legal sanctioned abduction

[@airshipflea5219]

There's a difference. We agree to the fact that the ability of taking someone's life/the ability to decide punishment should rest ONLY with the upholders of the law ie the courts (with certain exceptions obviously).

[@ezrac704]

People get life sentences already bro.

[@kittykandy6446]

to the forgiveness question, forgiveness is a gift that when u give it to someone else your also giving it to yourself. that weight is taken off both parties and both parties have new opporunitiea to grow and become a better human🖤 when someone first taught me that it really changed how i think about things alot.