Judaism vs Catholicism | Similarities in Origin And Doctrine

[@shaulkramer7425]

I myself am a Hebrew Catholic. I grew up Orthodox Jewish, with full rabbinical observance. Fell away from faith, but eventually the Lord brought me back, and to the fullness of faith. Glory to Our Father in Heaven, the Lord Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit!

[@AshMaiz]

@@shaulkramer7425 👍🏼

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

Rabbi Tovia Singer has insight if you choose to listen

[@AshMaiz]

Agree with him or not, rabbi singer is a very devout and genuine person who deeply cares about Tanakh as the only source for how to serve God and have a relationship with God. I interviewed him and had the video up for awhile but it was cut short and didn't cover enough and so I took it down after some time. I feel it would mislead people on his views and my own because we didn't have enough time.

[@shaulkramer7425]

@ I did listen to Rabbi Singer, but I found his arguments and evidence lacking and misleading, whether intentionally or not.

[@corneliusmakin-bird7540]

Another thing people do not realize is that Judaism today is not what it was 2000 years ago. Here in Israel I always tell people that if Jews 2000 years ago saw how their religion is today, they would see many more things added and subtracted to where it is almost a different thought/belief system.

[@AshMaiz]

I think in daily practice it would be oddly similar and in belief totally different

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

You have zero content on your channel, odd to find that

[@corneliusmakin-bird7540]

@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape What does that have to do with anything?

[@AshMaiz]

@@corneliusmakin-bird7540 I think what he's trying to say is that given that you have such strong definitive statements to make about things. As pure fact, with such deep knowledge on the topic, you might want to present those to the world because you have so much to say about it. But yes, doesn't really have anything to do with anything. You're free to have your opinion regardless...

[@ariellamaizels]

they both hold rituals based on scripture to be tenants of the religion

[@AshMaiz]

Yes that

[@michaelglasson2171]

And that is where the similarities end.

[@AshMaiz]

@@michaelglasson2171 well ..

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

The pope wears a kipa 👀 And they've probably got more Jewish history and books than Jews do.

[@kyrptonite1825]

As a Catholic, we both hold to Scripture, tradition, and a teaching authority. Although we would hold our teaching authority to sometimes be infallible, and I don’t know if Jews have something similar. Also, Protestants don’t hold to any form of after death purification and don’t support prayers for the dead, which are things in both Catholicism and Judaism. It even seems our praying to the righteous dead in Catholicism is in some ways similar to Judaism’s Tzadikim and praying at their graves. I’m pretty sure some Rabbis even said direct prayer was okay. In fact, a lot of the verses Catholics would point too to support this practice use the same language as the Jewish sources, like with Revelation and Saints “carrying” prayers. We have similar emphasis on ritual being important, as well as a liturgical system. We hold the Church to be a New Israel (however God still has not forgotten the Jewish people according to Vatican 2), and the Bishops, Priests, and Deacons to be the new Priesthood/judges. With obviously the Bishop of Rome being the leader of the other Bishops. Only the Priests can offer Sacrifice, which we would say is the Eucharist/Mass. We also have an Apostolic Succession similar to the concept of the Seat of Moses. We also consider the Papacy to basically be like Eliakim’s Office, and that’s why in Matthew the language of the “Keys of Heaven” are used, and in Revelation it’s more explicitly called the “Key of David”. Even the Blessed Virgin Mary is considered a fulfillment of the Gebirah. It’s all pretty interesting.

[@AshMaiz]

That is all very interesting. I do see where there is a lot of scripture used to justify a lot of different ideas on all side which is why for me the jury is still out on "The Truth" of it all.

[@AshMaiz]

@@kyrptonite1825 I appreciate the time taken for a well written and thoughtful response

[@kyrptonite1825]

thank you. interesting video as well from you

[@AryehMichael]

I don't go to grave sites to pray. Tumah Hamet is the first reason. Second reason it is not a place to pray. Third looking for the dead to intermediate for you is necromancy and against the Torah. We learn this lesson from King Shaul.

[@AshMaiz]

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[@AshMaiz]

@@AryehMichael it is widely accepted though in mainstream Judaism

[@AryehMichael]

@@AshMaiz I know but Ethiopians we don't that. We see many times in the Tanakh a thing that is accepted Hashem views as wrong. Not saying this is that thing but better safe than sorry.

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

I'm not seeing the direct correlation unless you are a Cohen, please explain?

[@samuelgagnon-hartman9175]

What i find interesting is that Rabbinical intermediary has a legal function: interpreting the Law, performing jurisprudence. Meanwhile Christians typically view their clergy as intermediaries for the Sacraments, with the former a means of relating to God's will and the latter relating to his nature. However, as you pointed out, in Rabbinical Judaism prayer supplanted temple sacrifice, which might give a sacramental character even to the legal function of the Rabbis. I'm just spitballing and I'm sure someone more educated than I has weighed in on this.

[@AshMaiz]

I wouldn't disagree but I think those things are closer than you'd think at first

[@michaelglasson2171]

You’re failing to make distinctions between the types of Judaism being discussed. Orthodox Judaism follows the Talmud as it takes precedence over the Torah. The Talmud is antithetical to all Christian doctrines, regardless of denomination. Reform Judaism is a secular movement that adapts its beliefs, practices and laws to the ever-changing modern environment, also completely antithetical to all Christian denominations. What you’re describing is Conservative Judaism, which, despite its name, is quite liberal in its interpretations of traditional Judaic dogma. These are the Jews most likely to convert, however, they still follow the Talmud which states clearly Jesus is a sorcerer, an apostate, and is burning in hell. If anything, the Talmud more closely resembles Quranic dogma than Biblical dogma.

[@AshMaiz]

@@michaelglasson2171 I don't think you're very familiar with Jewish culture by the sound soundf this. Rabbinical law superceding Torah is heretical in talmudic Judaism. Commands and interpretation given by rabbis don't hold the weight of the written Torah. מצווה דאורייתא נגד מצווה דרבנן .Conservative Judaism תורה ומדע(Torah and science) believe in God but believe the Torah is fluid and must be kept with the times....you got them literally backwards. In fact in rabbinical jewish culture placing a book of talmud on top of a tanakh is prohibited. Id be happy to have the dialogue, but if you're going to spit ou t uneducated Jew hating tropes than it doesn't seem particularly worthwhile. And this is coming from someone who does not practice rabbinical Judaism, doesn't follow any rabbis, etc

[@michaelglasson2171]

⁠@@AshMaizI’m not trying to spit out “Jew-hating tropes”. You described similarities in the developments and foundations of the two religions, for example the various counsels writing doctrine, similar timelines, etc. but your title claims there are similarities in the actual doctrines themselves. Which, I have seen very few between the Talmud and the Christian Bible. And I was not incorrect. Orthodox Judaism does state that Talmudic rulings take precedence over the Torah. Now, I will grant you that not ALL orthodox sects believe this. You made a public video don’t automatically go to “Jew hating” talk if someone’s criticizes it. Modern Judaism is just as complex as modern Christianity.

[@AshMaiz]

@michaelglasson2171 the talmud superceding Torah is heretical in all Orthodox Jewish groups. And the reason it is a Jew hating trope is because it implies that claims made in the Talmud are law to all Jews and therefore anything negative in the talmud must be attributed to all Jews. To explain saying that something evil in the tall motor attributed to one Rabbi means that all Jews are like that or believe that is akin to saying that one senator in the United States in the 1800s saying something racist makes all Americans today racist. If you claim that the talmud of supersedes torah according to Orthodox Jews, then that is the inherent implication. Now I will grant that many Orthodox Jews take crazy things from the talmud that are convenient them for them to believe and use that. But that doesn't mean it's supersedes to her that ends. Those people chose to believe that. Again, I point you to the rabonical ruling that forbids you from placing a talmud on top of a Tanakh. Further, in rabbinical law, violating rabbinical command can never incur the death penalty even if it's a rabbinical interpretation of a biblical commandment whereas violating the biblical commandment if there was a Sanhedrin could result in the death penalty. Furthermore, a Rabbi can undo or interpret a rabbinical law to change it, whereas no Rabbi can undo or reinterpret a biblical law to violate it. These are fundamentals of the Jewish faith and you're saying things that are inherently wrong and that are inherently jew hating because of the implication. Now you might not hate Jews, but you're repeating Jew hating tropes.

[@AshMaiz]

@michaelglasson2171 and the fact that the word anti-Semitism is overused does not mean that there aren't Jew haters in the world. So you can't gaslight me into saying not everything is Jew hating to try and get out of it butthis is in fact a Jew hating trope

[@michaelglasson2171]

@AshMaiz I completely agree with you, the Tanakh cannot be superseded not replaced by Talmudic interpretations, however, the actual interpretations of the Talmud are inherently open to interpretation lol. The Talmudic interpretations of the Prophetic texts are widely disagreed upon, and one sect may say another sects interpretation is superseding the Tanakh, and vice-versa. There are also disagreements when it comes to literal and allegorical interpretations. One group may claim a literal interpretation of a seemingly allegorical story is a way of superseding the Tanakh. The Talmud itself is a debate between two schools of Jewish thought. So yes, some schools of Jewish thought may not include the beliefs I mentioned about Jesus being heretical, but many do. This would mean it’s antithetical to Christian doctrine. Just as Christian doctrine is antithetical to many Jewish schools of thought. That doesn’t mean I hate Jews. And that doesn’t mean Jews hate Christian’s. My mother is Sephardic from Haifa.

[@youknowho4439]

But be not you called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Mashiach; and all you are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. *Neither be you called masters: for one is your Master, even Mashiach.* *But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.* *And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.*

[@AshMaiz]

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[@youknowho4439]

*But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.*

[@AshMaiz]

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[@orangemanbad]

As a traditional Catholic, we believe Catholicism is Judaism fulfilled.

[@AshMaiz]

@@orangemanbad can I ask you and I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm genuinely asking, do you think that the Catholic church best represents? How the first early Jewish Christians would have worshiped served, lived and believed?

[@AshMaiz]

@@orangemanbad I qualified that with telling you I'm being genuine because on KZbin comments in written form it can come across anyway anyone would like it so I wanted to qualify that.

[@orangemanbad]

@ yes of course. I was raised anti-Catholic in a Protestant household. I find Protestantism to be “plastic” religion. Every Protestant I knew and grew up around legitimately believed you say Jesus saved you and then go on with your life. In fact I had one elder tell me “if you repent of your sins you will go to Hell because that means you reject Christ’s salvation on the cross.” Whereas Catholicism is a lifestyle of sanctification. Working everyday to carry our cross and repent daily to achieve salvation through God’s grace. And I find it’s the only Christian form (perhaps orthodox included) that follows all of the tenets of early Christianity - such as real presence in the Eucharist, confession, believing baptism is real and not symbolic, etc. I was converted from an intimate encounter of the Holy Ghost, but what really sealed the deal for me was reading the church fathers and seeing it was all Catholic teachings. Not to mention all of the early martyrs of the church were Catholic, the Catholic church brought us the Bible canon, etc. if we trust the Bible, it would seem beyond silly to me to reject the church that brought it for us and the many martyrs who gave their lives to preserve it.

[@orangemanbad]

@ no problem. I don’t take it badly. I just found your page btw and like your videos a lot. Just subscribed. What denomination do you belong to? If any

[@AshMaiz]

@orangemanbad wow! I really like the way that you put that very well written. I probably would disagree on certain doctrine and dogma as to where it comes from in legitimacy and I would even more disagree based on certain current events with the Catholic church. However, it's very hard to argue with a tradition that can be traced back and tracked and followed and confirmed and validated. The question is what happens when you have it fall apart? Is it still legitimate?? What happens when the doctrines change and new ideas are solidified in the church that weren't accepted prior?.

[@yakovkratzberg802]

i just watched a messianic judaism video that said exactly the same basically. that they are basically the same in a way

[@AshMaiz]

Two sides of the coin...

[@jamesgordon177]

😂😂 u watched a video that told u Jews and Catholics are the same. What id suggest is reading books that aren't written or videos that aren't produced by Jews 😂😂

[@AshMaiz]

@@jamesgordon177 well that's not true so I guess no that's not true...

[@yakovkratzberg802]

@ thats not what it means,not the same in exactly every way,but like ash said,two sides of the same coin.

[@AshMaiz]

@@jamesgordon177 also, what's wrong with Jews??

[@lloydgush]

My experience in judaism is that it's not fairly different from orthodox christians.

[@AshMaiz]

I mean in some ways yes in many no. Context is important

[@lloydgush]

@AshMaiz of course. I'm talking as a brazilian. My experience is of sephardic judaism. We have some askhenazis, but the synagogues are basically all sephardic.

[@AshMaiz]

@@lloydgush interesting...I don't really see it as an Ashkenazi vs Sephardic thing. What has your experience been that you feel that way.

[@lloydgush]

@AshMaiz I have no ashkenazi experience outside of social media. From what I've heard, our jews are warmer and less philosophic. And that influences theology. Mostly torah with some talmud. Doesn't mean the shul is short, though. Not that evangelical services are short. But those are mostly the pastor saying whatever they want. Besides theological differences...

[@ShalomMF]

Catholicism and all forms of Christianity emerged from Judaism so technically the origin of Christianity is the same as Judaism but not the other way around.

[@AshMaiz]

@@ShalomMF my argument is they are both offshoots equally

[@svolon7832]

As a Jew I must concur that Judaism was revised and has compiled new tosafot despite being complete. It isn't a rare phenomynon as it affects all faiths, all nations and all cultures. However, "rabbi" is a term which describes a Jewish cleric who upholds the mitzvot and halachot and advices his Jewish consultants how to adhere accordingly. I disagree with the assumption that rabbinical judaism has initiated during the 5th century C.E and is mildly distinguishable from biblical Judaism as this practice of consulting a rabbi (a Jewish cleric) probably didn't originate from the Babylonian Talmud and may pre-date it. It could possibly be traced to when Moses appointed officials to judge his nation. According to the Chomesh of Shemot (exodus) Parashat Yitro: "But select capable men from all the people-men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain-and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will make your load lighter, because they will share it with you." - (chapter 18 verse 21-22).

[@AshMaiz]

@@svolon7832 that's the origin of the concept but in the form it is now is what is intended. Sorry for the overly brief response, fairly busy at the moment.

[@svolon7832]

​@@AshMaiz That's fine, I appreciate your response. Overall, I enjoy your content and it is very informative. Great work and keep it going.

[@TheFormCheckPodcast]

Pretty interesting

[@AshMaiz]

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[@pepepena1937]

Both *PAGAN* one Babylonian the other Roman

[@AshMaiz]

@@pepepena1937 not sure I can really disagree...

[@Catholic79]

the Babylon in Apocalypse is the Vatican II Sect which isn't the Catholic Church

[@AshMaiz]

@@Catholic79 well at least you don't think it's the jooos

[@kyrptonite1825]

that’s known as sedevecantism

[@pepepena1937]

@@AshMaiz Are you a Protestant or Messianic Jew?