Judging the Jaguar E Type

This is a tutorial about judging the Jaguar E-Type for the Concours Champion Class. The featured car is a 1963 Jaguar E-Type fixed head coupe. The judge is Alan Brown, the 2020 chief judge for the Delaware Valley Jaguar Club. Produced and directed by Jay Greene.

[@JoelTurrell]

Thanks to Messrs. Green and Brown for this excellent "refresher" for all of us who judge Jags. And my admiration for this beautiful car.

[@jaygreene8866]

Thank you for your kind words. Let me know which Jaguar model you would like to see in another refresher video.

[@lead-dog]

Hi Jay, thanks for creating this video. I am new to the world of Jaguar and really the Classic Car world. We bought a 1987 XJ6 Series III in April. Our first venture in the classic car world. We have joined the JCNA and we belong to the JCCNF because we live on Amelia Island. Just moved here (retired here) 4 years ago. How this video only has 4 likes and 73 views counting mine is incredible to me. But, I am a rookie. I am sure you know our club president, Craig Kerins. With the pandemic in place this is the perfect place for me to start learning about "judging" although I want to contribute to our club in any way I can. At heart my specialty/passion is "detailing classics" more than anything else. "Paint" is a subject that really interests me. Single stage paint! Thanks again. Phil Arnold, JCCNF

[@jaygreene8866]

Thank you for your comments. I think the relatively low view counts is due to the video going public only a short time ago and that it is made for a small specialty audience. I look forward to helping the club by making more of them. Good luck with your XJ6!

[@lead-dog]

@@jaygreene8866 Thanks Jay. I think that would be such a major contribution to the JCNA and all its member clubs. I know its a lot of work but thank you for doing this one and I hope to can make more in the future. I will always say...Jay Greene's video is where I got my start. Thanks for your reply. We love our XJ6. Never been happier. Never thought retirement or FL would agree with us but honestly we've never been in a better spot. We're going to enjoy it. Hope to meet you someday. Would love to come to AGM but all travel is on hold for us for the time being. My email is [e-mail]

[@99skychief]

Fascinating video! A big help in understanding judging. Why are so many areas inside the engine compartment not judged..such as brakes, inside tires, suspension..etc? Many thanks for your time in making this video. Michael

[@jaygreene8866]

Thank you for your comments. Those items are not judged because they are not visible and exempt from judging in all other classes. They are only visible on this car because of the way the bonnet opens.

[@GeneralLee1961.3]

Jaguar XKE in green! The ultimate British icon ❤️🇬🇧❤️🇬🇧❤️🇬🇧❤️🇬🇧

[@jaygreene8866]

You bet!

[@jaygreene8866]

Phillip, Thank you for your comments. I look forward to possibly seeing you at an upcoming event.

[@lead-dog]

Thanks Jay. Our Chief Judge Craig Kerins told me you two hadn’t met but he had high praise for your club and thought this video was terrific. He’s going to use it in his training sessions. We will meet someday...hopefully sooner rather than later. Please make some more videos. BTW have you watched the video w that former Chief Judge Gilbertson?... on you tube. Will send you link via email. Thanks!

[@jaygreene8866]

@@lead-dog Hi Phillip, Thank you for your kind words about the video and our active Delaware Valley Jaguar Club. I was able to locate the video of your Judge speaking about fine automobiles. I think videos like mine will help him with his vision of preserving the best of the best for future generations.

[@lead-dog]

Jay Greene Thanks Jay. You are most welcome. Craig Kerins is going to start Judges training in late June or early July I believe. Like I told you, he’s going to use your video in that training! Thanks

[@johntechwriter]

Every spring here in the Bay Area the Brit car owners club holds a day-long concours/swap meet. After a couple of years I found the best way to present my XJR at these events. I’d park it in the public lot across the street and forget about it for a few hours while I ogled all the great cars on display.

[@jaygreene8866]

And then you get to drive home in an XJR!

[@charlesbradley2943]

Hi. Thanks so much for the informative video on Series 1 XKEs. Any chance of making another judging style videos for us Series 1.5-2 ?? Thanks again.

[@jaygreene8866]

You are welcome. We will likely do a follow up video this summer that explains the differences between this Germany destined vehicle and the North American versions. Comparisons with later versions makes sense.

[@Anonymous1999b]

Hi, I’m just starting out a scale model project of the E-type. I wonder if you could provide me with the exact exterior color code of the car in the video. My scale model will definitely be of the same green color. Thank you greatly beforehand.

[@jaygreene8866]

A quick Google search shows the Jaguar paint code is 602 for British Racing Green for the Series 1 E-Type.

[@296Echo]

Is that fan correct? All of the Series 1 cars I have seen had single blade versions ....

[@jaygreene8866]

Good catch. This is a driven car. The owner had some problems maintaining engine cooling congested summertime traffic. (The car was designed at a time when the roads were much more open.) Among other things he changed to an aftermarket 4 blade fan from the original 2 blade fan. A new thermostat and other work fixed the issue and he plans to reinstall the original 2 blade fan.

[@bubbledoc67]

Thanks for posting. I'm getting my '63 roadster ready for judging, so this was very appropriate. May I ask what the total score for this car would have been? Thanks, Brian

[@jaygreene8866]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video. We did not tally up the total score, but the judge thinks it would have been around 94 points.

[@bubbledoc67]

@@jaygreene8866 Thank you Sir.

[@MrJetwash]

I do not enter mine for concours but happy to see what I should be improving thank you

[@jaygreene8866]

There were 2 main reasons for the video. One was a teaching aid for judges of a car in a Jaguar Club North America sanctioned event. The second was to show competitors what judges were looking for. We are glad you found it useful.

[@edkonstantellis9094]

The malet for the knockoffs appeared to be used extensively

[@jaygreene8866]

That may be so. After 60 years, the owner may have needed to change tires a few times. It would be up to the judge to determine if it is excessive wear and deduct points. Maybe your concern is keeping your own mallet from deteriorating from use. There are readily available knockoff adapters that fit over the spinner. Check the forums for advise.

[@sirmetaladon]

3k views? 22 subscribers?!??! How in the universe did this get recommended to me? Ah well, it's a good thing, I enjoyed it! 22 subscribers.... wow. You deserve... SO much more than that.

[@jaygreene8866]

Thank you for the kind words. We want to make a detailed addendum to this video and add another Jaguar video. We are likely to feature an XK-150.

[@jettrink7510]

Interior... I am in a beautiful dream

[@jaygreene8866]

You and me both!

[@benhur_9377]

❤️🔥

[@jaygreene8866]

We are glad you liked our video.

[@johntechwriter]

I get the impression all these restomodded E-Types being cranked out by an ever-growing number of “restorers” would not be happily received by this guy.

[@jaygreene8866]

Keep in mind that this video is designed to help the viewer judge a JCNA sanctioned Concours event. The rules and point system reward the car that is closest to factory original. A resto-mod car looks vintage and drive like a more modern car. There is a place in many garages for those cars!

[@davidc9834]

He's judging his own car....

[@ovenorway]

Battery not period correct. 3-point seatbelt not fitted from the factory. Mirror not original. And what are that thing on the cross-hatch panel below the radio on the left side ? Otherwise a Nice car

[@jaygreene8866]

The car is almost 60 years old, so it has had numerous battery changes over the years. This battery may not be the original, but it fits properly and it has the correct connection lugs. To the best of the owner's knowledge, the interior mirror is original. The exterior mirrors were put on by the dealers. They must be judged to be period correct. Are these “period correct?” We believe so. It is clamped on, no holes drilled. It looks period correct. Seat belts were installed by the dealer also. The mounting points for the seat belt shoulder harness were originally welded into the body and the appropriate hole was punched into the side panels that fit over them. The hole was not cut through the fabric on the side panel though. This tells us that it was prepared for three point seat belts if the dealers so desired. The thing hanging on the cross hatch panel is a connection jack from the radio for a cell phone, done as neatly as possible. We omitted discussing the color difference in the front and back side lights, because this car was originally shipped to Germany and later imported to the US. The car also has factory wheel knock offs that were not available on US spec cars. Many options were installed by dealers and this was originally a Germany spec car. That would explain different configurations in mirrors, pin striping, trunk racks, etc.between this and other period correct cars. We appreciate your comments. Thank you.

[@gf4353]

@@jaygreene8866 All series one had knock off wheels, I've never seen any different U.S. or not. I've had 3 early, one being an OBL car.

[@slugworth63]

German market cars had stubby winged knockoffs. Look up a few on xkedata. Most were sold through the distributor Peter Lindner.

[@296Echo]

@@slugworth63 That is the same Peter Lindner who died racing in his lightweight E ..... which has since been restored...

[@alanbrown4528]

The 3-point seat belt is of course not original, I wouldn't feel comfortable driving without one though. Outside mirror is not original, I should have un-clamped it. That thing next to the radio is the input jack for my cell phone. It works well until the engine takes over.

[@jamestphotography4471]

Points deducted for sandals

[@jaygreene8866]

😁

[@brucecolby5016]

No deduction for missing plastic carpet snaps?? No deduction for missing hardura mat black snaps or floorboard studs?? No deduction for missing spot welds?? The rock guard hardware should be Posidriv,not straight slot or Phillips..slacker

[@alanbrown4528]

Thanks for your input Bruce, you have a keen eye for details. This feedback is appreciated, except missing spot-welds, really?

[@slugworth63]

Nice car! A true German market export would have a speedo in Kms, an additional data plate in German. and a locking ignition switch affixed to the steering column, no? Shift knob is also incorrect. The gear pattern should be circled in white. Knob is also too large. Why the hole on the radio box fascia below and left of the radio?

[@jaygreene8866]

Response from the owner: I suspect this car was ordered by an American in military service in Germany, that is probably why it came with an MPH speedo. There is an additional data plate, in German, with the original distributor’s name on it, Peter Lindner. From what I’ve read, the locking ignition was introduced in March of 1962, suggesting that my car should have one, since the build date is November of 1962. During the restoration, I completely dismantled the steering column and saw no evidence that it was replaced. I don’t know if it would have been possible to order the car without the locking column at that time. The gear shift knob does have a white circle around the shift pattern, but the plastic has deteriorated a bit and the white is faded. The knob feels quite small in my hand, it’s the same as other E-Types.

[@dudley7540]

That horn didn't sound right, like there is only one horn.

[@jaygreene8866]

As part of the Operation Verification check procedure, the judge listens for the harmony of 2 horns. I understand that all Jaguars came from the factory with 2 horns. In this case both horns are working. They are very loud relative to the speaking voice and may have exceeded the audio capability of the microphone or exceeded the fidelity of your playback.

[@andrewp634]

all very boring, e types are beautiful thats it

[@jaygreene8866]

Thank you for watching.

[@johndavey72]

I cannot take someone wearing a baseball cap and shorts seriously . And have to refer to some contrite rules to decide what is correct . And actually l can't take this type of judgement seriously . It's fine for those who have the money to have one restored or rebuilt at no expense. And l take great enjoyment when they quite rightly get shot down in flames ! But there are those who have put their heart and soul into restoring their car on a tight budget . To see their pride and joy, hard work torn to pieces verbally is almost criminal. I count myself fortunate that the Jaguar l bought and restored in 7weeks in 2008 Won best in show on it's first outing . It went on to consistently win many shows . As someone who was beaten, humiliated and demeaned by both parents it was very satisfying to find l was good at something !

[@jaygreene8866]

I cannot respond to your reaction as to how someone chooses to dress. I can tell you that the judging process, which includes access to detailed reference materials, is designed to be consistent across all sanctioned Jaguar Club shows. The purpose of this video is to teach Jaguar Club Judges the correct process and to allow entrants a clear idea of what to expect. We are fortunate to have volunteers who are willing to judge and share their interest and expertise in Jaguar cars. Always consider their views as constructive critique with an aim to help you make improvements that would increase your score. Congratulations on your well deserved wins. I also do my own work and feel good about the personal accomplishment.

[@gf4353]

I'm glad I don't have your parents

[@johntechwriter]

Every spring here in the Bay Area the Brit car owners club holds a day-long concours/swap meet. After a couple of years I found the best way to present my XJR at these events. I’d park it in the public lot across the street and forget about it for a few hours while I ogled all the great cars on display.

[@peterredman235]

What a load of absolute rubbish, looks like a nice car however!

[@jaygreene8866]

The purpose of the video is to help educate Concours judges prepare for their JCNA sanctioned events. This may not apply to you.