Judoka vs Wrestler. Real Fights of Top Judokas vs Top Wrestlers

There are many arguments on the internet that a judoka can only use his techniques when the opponent is wearing a kimono. This statement clearly offends many judokas. Many even say that djudoka are weak, especially when facing freestyle wrestlers. The topic for discussion is actually very interesting and provocative. So I ask you to put a like and write your opinion in advance. Let's get this video to the top. I was personally interested in collecting for you a large number of videos when a wrestler confronts a judoka. Right away I want to ask you. Who do you think is stronger wrestler or judoka?
Also for me it was especially important to collect material of professional judokas against professional wrestlers. Because amateurs are not an indicator. So in this video you will see how the Olympic champion Fabio Basile fights without a kimono against the Olympic medalist and two-time world champion in freestyle wrestling Frank Chamizo. Three-time Olympic judo champion Tadahiro Nomura against three-time Olympic champion and thirteen-time world champion, which is an absolute record - Saori Yoshida. As well as other titled athletes. Enjoy watching.

[@mikaelnigel1]

I did wrestling in high school through college and one day I wrestled with a judoka. A pro judoka’s sense of balance and instinct on where to shift their weight is really something else. It prompted me to train judo as well.

[@mikaelnigel1]

@@jadian4281 errrr… wrestlers don’t make “many grabs”. It’s one grab and maneuver where necessary using leverage.

[@speed_elf]

​@@jadian4281hell yeah

[@johnpauljones9310]

@@mikaelnigel1 There's a distinct difference in grip fighting between Judo and wrestling. Judokas use a three-finger grip with is surprisingly stronger than the four-finger grip most wrestlers use. When a Judoka locks onto your sleeve, you're not getting your arm free, so you have to counter it. I've watched a lot of wrestlers who break a wrist grip by just yanking their arm back because their sweat makes it easier to slip out. That's what he's talking about.

[@nicholasbuch8522]

I want to wrestle you

[@e4d578]

This the most realistic scenario. Joining wresting in HS, I handily beat my coach who was straight out of college. I actually thought that training with them would make me worse off as a judoka. I liked their conditioning training, but the leg sweeps and catches were rather easy to do. I was too into Judo and decided that wrestling wasn't going to be good for me. Who knows if it was the right decision or not, but your comment was what many on the team said too.

[@johnpauljones9310]

Judoka here. I valued cross-training with wrestlers for two reasons: their explosiveness and their never-quit attitude. To take down a wrestler, a Judoka has to get over the aversion to taking risks. Most Judokas, especially new Judokas, won't attempt a technique until we're sure we can make it work. That's why we grip fight and try to get into position. Wrestlers don't do that. They attack and attack and attack, often relying on counters to get them into position rather than the attempted technique. It's an accomplishment when you get a wrestler off his feet and onto the ground. But now you have to hold those squirrely, sneaky little bastards down for Osaekomi is hard AF. If you can regularly beat a wrestler to the attack, take him down, and then hold him down for a pin or a sub, then you're going to be a demon at your next Judo tourney.

[@emmanuela7528]

Going from this great, humble reply, it would be great for judo coaches to set up cross-training bouts against wrestlers. I love judo, but I've gained immense respect and admiration for wrestlers too. Grappling is excruciating, and these two disciplines elevate it to a high level.

[@maybedrinkin3241]

As a former wrestler who has had no experience with judoka. If Khabib says it's good, that's good enough for me. :)

[@tadiacaretaker631]

1:25 White shorts - Wrestling Black shorts - Judo 2:25 Colorful - Wrestling White GI - Judo 2:58 No shirt - Wrestling Black shirt - Judo 4:11 Blue pants - Wrestling White pants - Judo 6:25 White suit - Wrestling Red suit - Judo 7:18 Same guys from 6:25 just with kimono Blue Gi Wrestling White GI - Judo 7:50 Red shorts - Wrestling Black pants - Judo

[@scheisstag]

Thanks, that was needed.

[@Tomy-im8zl]

I'm thought it would help but to be honest, I don't even know who is winning because I'm not familiar with the rule to determine the winner can you add that too please?

[@scheisstag]

@@Tomy-im8zl Thats hard to tell: wrestling and Judo have different rule sets: so for example in wrestling you get points for getting into the back of the opponent and if you are able to spin him around his length axis on the ground, if you are able to stand up again from the lower position, if you put the opponent to the ground on his belly, for pushing the opponent off the mat, and so on. You dont get any points in Judo for this. In Judo you get only points for holding the opponent a certain time, for a submission or for throws to the back or side of the body. So you cant judge a fight with both rule sets in mind. And we werent told if they agreed into one of the two rule sets. Also in Judo the fight ends immediately after a full point (good throw) with a win. And in wrestling if the opponent is pinned with both shoulders to the mat. Since this is sparring and also because they didnt agreed into a rule set, they went on..... With this in mind I would say: first fight Judo, second tie with no real points achieved, third tie after 1:1 points, fourth 1:1 with Judo in the end slightly better with some minor advantages (achieving to "sit down" the opponent twice), fifth and sixth clearly Judo, last fight I couldnt see well enough... (I have fought in Judo up to the national team championships and competed in wrestling and have been a coach for both sports.)

[@Tomy-im8zl]

@@scheisstag alright thanks! That's what I wonder, I mean it's not only the style that differ but also the rules that allow points. Yet when mma fighther rate different martial art, it seems that Wrestling is always higher than Judo. Do you have any idea why? Are the rules too strict in judo compare to wrestling?

[@scheisstag]

@@Tomy-im8zl There are three Judo rules that limit its usefulness for a MMA fight: first: referees tend to stop and stand up a Judo fight pretty fast nowadays. In wrestling you have to get up to your feet yourself. And there are even situations in a fight when the more passive fighter is forced by the referee to get into a bank position after a stalemate in wrestling. So in wrestling you learn better to stand up. Which gives you the ability to steer and control a fight in MMA: if you are fighting against a BJJ guy you try to stay standing and once you are taken down you immediately get up again. And if you are fighting a boxer you take him down. This also means in wrestling you are more focused on ground fighting than in Judo. And in Judos ground fighting you are more focused on submissions, while in wrestlings ground fighting you are more focused on getting the upper position. And the upper position is key for ground and pound. Second: there are two wresting styles: one that allows leg grabs aka take downs. One that does not. In Judo they changed the rules a couple of years ago and now take downs are not allowed any more.... Third: Judo is trained in a Gi, a jacket. So once you are in a MMA ring your grip fighting concept, some throws and also some ground techniques become impossible. Also Judo is more techniqually and has far more techniques. In contrast wrestling relies more on power and knows less techniques. So for a boxer its easier to acquire some wrestling skills than some Judo skills. Also in the west there are more people doing Judo recreational. While there are nearly no people training wrestling without competing. So the skill level in average is higher in wrestling. Which might lead to the misleading conclusion, that it would be more effective in general. Also in Judo you do a lot of hip throws. If you want to achieve a hip throw with a high level partner, you often have to follow through to the ground as well: but than you end up on the ground, with your back taken. Plus: in MMA you wear gloves. Its easier to do wrestling take downs with gloves, than to achieve a Judo throw with gloves.

[@danadane2501]

I wrestled in college and have trained with a lot of judo guys. We went with gis and without and honestly a lot of our techniques are very similar. I learned a lot from the judo practitioners I sparred with. Ntm the way they transition from takedowns/throws to submissions you don't see that much in jiu jitsu once again really helped. Long way of saying as a wrestler i have nothing but reapect for Judo.

[@stevenharris6626]

I trained in Judo, and my trainers were Olympians. They also trained in wrestling and the Judoka almost always won. But a great wrestler who trained in Judo, would be a Great wrestler, but not a great Judoka. Cross training is crucial for both!! The Judoka almost always won....

[@danadane2501]

@@stevenharris6626 I concur training with Judo Players or Training Judo to then apply it to wrestling will escalate your game as a wrestler. For the simple fact it helped me and many others. On the flipside if you're primarily a Greco Roman Wrestler? I can see them being great Judo Players. However coming from a folkstyle background being put it into Judoka match? That would take away all my offense to lower body. Singles, doubles, low singles, high crotches to a double and chaining them all together. So I think I understand your logic.

[@notchillibooboo5058]

I've had a similar experience. Wrestled 4 years in high school and went to a few training camps over the summers. I met a judo guy in my wait-class (119-130). The dude would always get me with an arm toss, and it made me so mad 😂

[@Diogenes2077]

I might be wrong but I think there is an essential difference between judo and wrestling. They are both of course technically very evolved and depend on leverage and human anatomy which makes them similar but the wrestler use more of his own mass and momentum while judo seems more focused on throwing the opponents mass of balance and using his momentum against him. The actual movements are similar. The underlying philosophy and the way they are executed seem different.

[@user-ro9ms4hq5y]

@@Diogenes2077 Exactly this, when i sppared with wrestlers it was always easy to unbalnce them, because they constantly applied pressure, sweeps were my main tool, that said todays Judo lacks many tools it used to have, like single and double leg takedowns being not allowed anymore had me laughing, i do not like how Judo has become

[@CJCon885]

Both are brutal. It all falls down to actual training, and total commitment. Like anything else. You can ALWAYS find an ultimate warrior in any art.

[@michaelreardon303]

I say versatility of knowing multiple styles beats a master of one. Every Fighting style has a flaw but the harder you train in one the bigger reward for the next.

[@faller006]

When I was in highschool my school took our class on a trip to a Judo Gym who had a coach that was legally blind. The coach used me for a demonstration of the power of judo. He told me to throw a punch at his face, I tried throwing some slow weak ones first because he clearly could hardly see and I didn't want to injure him but each time he slapped the fist out of his face and asked me to throw a real one. Finally, I threw a real punch straight at him and before I knew what happened the whole gym was upside and I was falling. I've been a Judo fanboy ever since.

[@tomj3372]

I was a wrestler and I did judo later in life. One thing that I always said was that I wish that I did judo when I was young as it would have greatly improved my stand up game as i believe judo is superior there, but on the ground my wrestling was better and what I relied on.

[@GrGal]

What do you mean by stand up? Take down defense? I’m asking from MMA perspective :)

[@vittocrazi]

​@@GrGaltake down defense and probably chain of attack.

[@zaynes5094]

@@vittocraziJust look at the high level freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestlers and they actually implement judo and sambo into their styles of wrestling. So there is a presence of that in wrestling already. But 99% of wrestlers don't know that they could be taken advantage of by even a young, inexperienced judoka.

[@kineticsage8137]

@@zaynes5094lots of those techniques did not “come from judo”

[@vittocrazi]

@@zaynes5094 but the thing IS what do they do better.

[@mauricecruz4988]

If leg grabs were not taken out, I would say Judokas would be more dominant because of the inclusion of leg grabbing along with the mix of non-leg grabbing techniques. Now a majority of judokas aren’t familiar with the leg grabs that were common back in day which makes it a even playing field between wrestlers and judoka. There’s also the concept of Kazushi which for wrestling I’m not sure if there is that concept of breaking opponents balance and efficiency to throw.

[@atshabal]

Legs grabs are not allowed in competition but still in judo curriculum, and in my opinion the best judo throws are not the legs grabs ones.

[@ignaciogallo8914]

Many high level judokas are still training the competition forbidden techniques, so if you find one of them and another wrestler willing to pact whether they fight using gi or not, you might have a possible and fair answer to that question

[@jaymorris3468]

Actually it's only IJF competition rules that have those limits, many judo clubs still train using the banned techniques, they even practice atemi, at least they do In the UK

[@mauricecruz4988]

@@jaymorris3468 ah I see, yea I don’t see USA dojos teach any leg technique, only if that judo instructor is teaching it for a bjj class. IJF should jus bring leg grabs back anyways 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jaymorris3468]

@@mauricecruz4988 yes, the reason for the ban was because they want to highlight the dynamic throws and make it more explosive as players were scoring with a leg grab to the ground then hanging on to it making it very boring for spectators, however I think they've gone too far, some of the dynamic throws using the hands like teguruma and some entrees into kataguruma (to name just a few), have been swept up in the ban but I get why they did it, we do see more explosive matches now,

[@piperbob2]

I think it was in the early 1900s that two high-ranked Japanese judoka toured the UK, challenging all boxers and wrestlers. The Japanese judoka won every match. In 1918, the first judo dojo (the place of the way/training hall) in Europe, was founded by Gunji Koizumi in London and named the Budokwai.

[@kev0247]

Catch wrestlers tended to win by falls or submission against judokas. Ad Santel beat like 2 or 3 elite judokas from the Kodokan. Catch wrestling isn't as popular these days though.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@@kev0247Just came here to mention Santel. I’m a judoka but I love catch too.

[@Halbared]

@@kev0247 Yeah. 100 years ago catch was a well known sport in the UK too.

[@dhimankalita1690]

​@@kev0247 I've heard the opposite judokas dominating catch wrestlers by submission.

[@kevi152]

Yet they avoided Gama Pehlwan also known as the Great Gama or Ghulam Mohammed ( Rustam e Jehan ), who challenged them.

[@Godmysheperd]

The greatest freestyle wrestlers the Saitiev brothers had actually a Judoka Style and they forced their style on their opponents

[@Ian-yf7uf]

The judo grips can be similar to Greco grips unless it's grips that rely on collar tie

[@user-wl1gu7mb9e]

Это не техника дзюдо это и есть техника вольной борьбы !!!!

[@FM-kb3hf]

This is a very stupid sentence. Dagestan freestyle wrestling in simply different.

[@ezsmith3765]

Answer the question

[@mikefoley4964]

I love wrestling, but more Collegiate/Folkstyle than freestyle as it concentrates more on ground control and winning by Fall rather than Freestyle which,while you can win by Fall,concentrates much more heavily on the points game. In my youth I did wrestle a friend of mine who was learning judo,and did beat him most of the time,but to be fair, while we were both novices I was much more experienced. I did learn a number of things from him that really helped my wrestling. That being said if one were looking for a great method of self defense I would go with Judo. One,in most cases when if you find yourself getting attacked both you and your attacker are going to be fully clothed,so the throws and chokes which incorporate grips on clothes are going to be there. Two,unless you practice catch wrestling,or perfect ground and pound,,the ground game you need to disable your attacker is virtually none existent in,Freestyle, Folkstyle,or Greco,but in Judo you will learn chokes and armbars,etc,which you can use to end a fight. Three,I think that for self defense I think that Judo,with its great use of leverage, lends itself much better for the smaller or older person to use. Though I was a pretty good wrestler at my age now,60,I wouldn't want to have to rely on the strength and speed to hit single or double leg takedowns or any number of other wrestling techniques to overcome a younger,stronger,faster attacker. A nice violent Judo throw landing an attacker on the concrete,which makes much more use of position and leverage ,is superior.

[@TechNep]

Well said

[@catocall7323]

I did Judo some some time as well as other martial arts and I similarly feel that Judo is the best basis for self defense. It would be my first step if I started my life again. Then I would go on to supplement it with more self defense focused training to cover it's weaknesses.

[@trumplostlol3007]

Japan is a cold nation in winter. Judo was used for self-defense and street fights, not in a court indoor. If you wear anything at all, you will lose to a judoka. And Judo does not stress too much on the ground game because in the old days, people would be ambushed by more than one attacker. Staying on the ground was definitely silly. Wrestling was used mainly in war situations, especially by the Mongolians and people in the near East when fighting could turn very messy and you couldn't escape one way or another.

[@1_Bad_Z]

@ Mikefoley4964 good points. Keeep in mind; with Wrestling one can and will learn faster. Therefore; one will be more efficient. BJJ Legend Marcelo Garcia talked about this subject years ago. Wrestling vs Judo. With Judo; yes, one can be effective. Depending on how good you become. However; it's a lot more technical in Judo. Again, however; it's going to take longer to be very effective as a Judo stylist. By the way; i have a background in Judo and have cross trained in Catch Wrestling.

[@LORDVADER357]

​@@trumplostlol3007Stronger one wins. Wrestler will simply grab and throw you. Slam on the ground.

[@AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

I just saw this compilation this morning, but it was immediately a huge source of joy for me (as a broken down old former Judoka who also has great respect for wrestling), and I am confident I will be returning to this video for second, third, fourth ( _et cetera_ ) viewings in the near future. Thanks for putting this together.

[@DP-dd6hl]

I do both, the way i see now is they are literally the same martial art in concept the difference is their practice due to historic situations and now modern rule set for competition . Wrestling was designed to grab a person when he was wearing armour so you couldn't grab any clothing. Judo has literally all the same moves as wrestling but works on grabing the Gi as people would wear historicaly similar traditional garments in day to day life so functional in that way. If you remove the Gi and competition rules judo literally becomes wresting. If you add some form of clothing to grab wrestling would look just like judo. 2 different cultures arrived at literally the same conclusion. Why because they worked.

[@thebrotherhood5199]

Same reason why Greco Roman is the way it is, as it was designed for warriors who needed to use the floor as a weapon, unlike folkstyle

[@tc-rx8dy]

Judo is a form of wrestling, Mongolian wrestling you can grab the cloth. Sumo is a form of wresting, kushti is a form of wrestling. Wrestling is a general term for grappling. Freestyle was trying to make a status quo allowing different parts of the world and their form of wrestling to compete against each other. A lot of freestyle wrestlers do incorporate trips, whizzers/Uchi mata ,arm throws etc. Just no gi. Look at saitiev brothers they have a different style to american wrestlers.

[@ogz7469]

That’s sambo I seen like the perfect mix

[@fibrahim4171]

Judo + wrestling is called Sambo.

[@TheThinkersBible]

Great concept, nice video. Would be better if it was subtitled who each contestant was (eg judoka in red) because for most of them I couldn't tell which was which.

[@gunpolygamist]

EXACTLY

[@edwardromero3580]

This.

[@tadiacaretaker631]

1:25 White shorts - Wrestling Black shorts - Judo 2:25 Colorful - Wrestling White GI - Judo 2:58 No shirt - Wrestling Black shirt - Judo 4:11 Blue pants - Wrestling White pants - Judo 6:25 White suit - Wrestling Red suit - Judo 7:18 Same guys from 6:25 just with kimono Blue Gi Wrestling White GI - Judo 7:50 Red shorts - Wrestling Black pants - Judo

[@TheThinkersBible]

@@tadiacaretaker631 thanks! Much appreciated.

[@gunpolygamist]

@@tadiacaretaker631 THANK YOU FOR THAT

[@patatoe1257]

I’m a judoka. I went and did wrestling for about 3 months until my coach suggested a competition. I went and took gold. None of my fights lasted even 1 minute. I don’t know why this is a debate. Both wrestlers and judokas have strengths in different ways

[@user-wl1gu7mb9e]

3 месяца? Ты где так занимался ? В России ты за 3 месяца и район не выиграешь! Ты боролся походу в какой то девчачьей Европе где то!

[@gavenhobbs3124]

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[@shawnreed6895]

Complete nonsense. Go to a tournament with even slightly good wrestlers and you will get smoked, I guarantee it. Similarly, I went against an Olympic alternate Judoka wearing the gi and got thrown. I did tap him repeatedly once on the ground (I am also a BJJ guy). W/o the gi I would take him down 9 out of 10 times and I did not even make state in wrestling. He weighed 240 and I was 220. Having said that, a "vs" mentality is wrong, it is good to train both. Concentrate on wrestling in high school, however.

[@SettG4]

That happened

[@shawnreed6895]

@@SettG4 LOL

[@michaciemniewski9791]

I really enjoy how cross-compatibil grappling is.

[@reedone816]

Don't put khabib statement out of contexts, what he mean is that judo has many member countries, their medal has more prestige than much fewer wrestling countries. With millions competing in judo comparing to hundreds of thousands competing in wrestling...

[@dhimankalita1690]

No he meant judo is class the techniques are elegant and high level. It requires perfection for one to execute judo throw. There's a reason his father was crazy about judo and wanted him to learn. Judo. Please don't insult Khabib and hus father by misrepresenting his words

[@henrikg1388]

From my perspective as a former intermediate Judoka, who used to train with Wrestlers sometime, is that it is hard to tell. In my country Greco-Roman dominates completely, so I think I would give the edge to Judo. Back then we had leg grabs and they didn't, but absolutely no scuffing on wrestlers. What we always feared their sheer physical conditioning and raw strength, while we countered with unbalancing and keeping balance. They are simply different, with strengths and weaknesses, Gi or No-Gi. But although I have little to no experience with freestyle/folkstyle, and all due respect to them, I think I would give a slight advantage to Judo anyway. The main reason is that there is a quick transition into the submission game that pure wrestling hasn't. I also think that from a martial perspective, where I feel that the extremely bent over posture among freestyle wrestlers is hampering them a bit. Greco-Roman wrestlers are better in that regard, but the rules are too hampering. In my experience, most of the time people end up in some sort of clinch, outside a ruleset, and even MMA has rules. But it by my no means a settled thing. Just my opinion.

[@louiswestra8403]

Thx for sharing your experienco bro

[@mando4443]

The truth is a stronger one will win.

[@Gumm34]

A person with more mentally will win

[@exginto8053]

If they’re equally skillef

[@martinlaser7819]

The fight is only interesting if you leave out armbars and chokes. Then you can make two fights in both disciplines and respective dresses. The same as mentioned rowing against kanu.

[@doylepritchard1625]

​@@martinlaser7819judo is jiu jitsu

[@doylepritchard1625]

Judokan wins street fight cuz the randori throw submission quick kill mentality. A wrestler might take them down just to get submitted from gaurd. 😂

[@LittleSweed]

I had Wolfgang Biedron one of Swedens best teachers in Judo and I once asked him who in the world he wouldn't want to fight and he said that he would fight anyone in the world in a 1x1m room except one person Alexandr Karelin.

[@harleypoppitypop3817]

I competed in both from childhood through college. It was never a 'which is better' but always that one is a force multiplier for the other. They have always complimented each other very well.

[@jedijudoka]

In my experience, wrestlers have a hard time with the gi. If they can shoot in from far away they’ll have better luck, but a solid grip on the jacket with good kuzushi and foot work shuts down the majority of wrestlers takedown ability. That said, I don’t personally know hardly any judoka who are very good without a jacket because they don’t practice without a jacket.

[@zsan157]

For me when I wrestle with Judo the fact that there was a gi actually made a lot of my takedowns easier because it was easier to grip

[@SteelheartTiTan]

I have an intressting anekdot from my teenage when I trained Greek-Roman Wrestling. Couse, at my club there was a gang of old geezers, that was alwayes sitting at the side-lines around a small Caffè table & had "Fika" while we trained. Talked to them, I learned that they are "True wrestler Veterans" - 1 of the older man was "Edwin" a OS Bronz medalist ( lightweight i think ) - they were a gruffy bounch, but soooo sweet. Openly shared storys from there careers & otherthings. With that, ...shared when Judo made its debut to Sweden!! Here in Sweden - I think it was around the 60s - 70s or so (dont remember) when Judo was pressented here in Sweden, and with that Judo got a lot of promotion, exbosition & fight demostrations held by some very "renownd" Judo Master at that time. Durin that time wave, that Judo Master invited theese wrestler's for a "wrestling"(Judo rules only) match, as for promotion demostration infront of a bigger live audience. man, (dead at the time they told me the story, also the father to one adult clubmember) accepted the match with no knowledge about Judo; just only some moments before the match the Master explained the rulings for him. ...Well, the Master was thrown around like a ragdoll for a couple of rounds & mins, til they ended the event. "There was so mouch to grabb on, so it was fun" or something along thoes lines was he's (wrestlr) response - according to the oldies. Thats intressting, couse Greek-Roman Wrestling is mouch more simular to Judo, almost identical with technics & everything - compared to Free-style Wrestling, that is almost 90% Rushing thoward the legs & pin them down to the back. My very limited knowledge i still posses in Greek Roman has often been enough to put many experienced Judokan to a test. BUT If I meet a Free-styler then I cant & most Greek-Roman really do anything, couse G'R are forbidden to touch / grabb below pelvis, like the legs & feet. An example is from another tell from the geezers; Sweden sended over a new troop of Wrestlers for an tournament in Turkey. But when they arived, the Turks just had Free-stylers, & Sweden just had sended over G'R, so Sweden got whiped bad due to rules, that define the whole Style. Samething would I say is mostly simular between Judo & Free-style. I would say that Judo has a clear advantage over free-style - havnt seen any that dosnt struggle with Judokans both standing & on the ground. Compared to Free-style W, Judo isnt limited to Pins & Leghugging. Judo has a superior ground work something I respect Judo for, couse I seen & felt how "ending" it can be by my very close friend that is a Grandchild to one of Netherlands highest ranking Judo Master/ Trainer - he has even train the their national OS team. Greek-Roman Wrestling has a "primal" advantage over Judo. Free-Style humilate Greek-Roman. Judo humbles Free-style.

[@lumri2002]

Actually judo is one of the Japanese styles of wrestling; the other style is sumo. Thus, Western traditional wrestling may be Graeco-Roman wrestling.

[@alexisdominguez3133]

Which is catch as catch can wrestling or freestyle wrestling 💪👍

[@BigUriel]

There are many Japanese grappling styles which could be considered a form of "wrestling", and most of them (including Judo) descend from sumo one way or another.

[@heyheywhatup]

Sumo is a mix between judo and Greco roman wrestling. High level rikishi are some real monsters.

[@ritzkola2302]

@@alexisdominguez3133???

[@danbixler4021]

There is also Chinese wrestling or shuai jiao, and Mongolian wrestling. I don't know much about either, but they have some similar techniques to wrestling and Judo. If a serious grappler has the time, money, and resources, it would probably pay to study a bit in all of these arts.

[@BW022]

I did Judo in the 80s and 90s and did wrestling in high school -- for fitness and additional training. The issue of Judo vs. wrestling always comes down to the rules and the fact that the two almost never compete against each other with zero knowledge of each other. I never went into a wrestling match with zero knowledge of wrestling, so it was never a Judoka vs. a wrestler but a wrestler who did Judo vs. a wrestler. Likewise, I never fought any 'wrestlers' in Judo competitions as they all had wrestling + years of Judo or else they'd never get on the tatami. If there were 'no' rules, I'd destroy any pure wrestler simple as wrestlers leave themselves open to chokes and armlocks. Then again, I never fought anyone without any rules -- even school yard fights had some unwritten rules.

[@kunis2299]

What about catch wrestling? I've trained a little jiu jitsu and some of the moves we were taught came from catch wrestling. I prefer grappling over striking,but I've always felt really awkward and uncoordinated when it comes to striking. I prefer being as well rounded a fighter as possible,so I'm focused on mainly boxing right now.

[@1977maracus]

Agreed. I've fought competitively in both Judo and Wrestling, the rules make a HUGE difference. A wrestler who had to follow Judo rules is at a disadvantage, and a Judoka who has to follow wrestling rules is at a disadvantage. Even the difference between BJJ and Judo required me to use different methods. Pins for example. Wrestling is a short pin, 1-3 seconds, flat on the ground. So a lot of bridging. Judo is 30 seconds with the shoulders inclined down. Bridging doesn't stop the timer. BJJ has no pin timer, so people work flat on their back all the time. The rules make a huge difference to what the athlete can do with muscle memory vs thinking about everything they're doing.

[@theperfectbeing]

On mats likely, on concrete I'm betting on the wrestlers every single time. Getting dumped on your head from a two legged takedown is basically the end of it, same thing goes for getting slammed during forced transitions. BJJ guys like to think the same thing but they are too used to doing comps where "no slams" are allowed and they can rely on the clock plus that's on mats, on the real ground you're getting wrecked if you get lifted.

[@gb5584]

​@theperfectbeing Yeah good point. Martial arts could of developed differently if taught on the street.

[@emmanuela7528]

@@theperfectbeing A judo throw to concrete will knock also all your wind out and basically end most fights. They are both slamming people on the ground, just doing it differently: seoi nage or double leg, getting lifted up and slammed will incapacitate most regular people.

[@Sammy2010Judo]

The physically strongest opponents I had were from wrestling! I come from judo and fight at a very high level. The problem is the particular rules to which the fighter has adapted. Furthermore, judo is technically adapted to the situation and without gi, fighters used to be almost defenseless against no gi. This has adapted. Likewise, a lever or choke was a problem for a wrestler, which has also ended. The old question of what is better has to do with the individual, the training levels, the experience, what situation is fought under what rules and the mental state of the person. In the UFC, judoka were champions, as were wrestlers. I would rather have a street fight against a judoka than a wrestler. To train technique a judoka. And as friends, both ☺️

[@EduardoRodriguez-ks4em]

All these artists are FANTASTIC! I have practiced for more than 58 years, Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Sambo and Catch-as-Catch-Can Wrestling, and I am very happy that I still teach these styles to the new generations. Best Regards! 😃

[@naturalstrength8393]

What style of grappling do you think is most beneficial to get started in as a young guy?

[@atshabal]

Both are really good but if I need to choose one and mastering it to the fullest I would say judo.

[@safeandeffectivelol]

I agree. It seems wrestlers rely more on brute strength and most of them look like bulls. Most judokas look like regular people although built pretty solid.

[@vittocrazi]

​@@safeandeffectivelolnah. Competitivo judokas are insane. Only It allows more build variety due to ample range of strats. But also wrestling IS ridiculously technical... Outside of the US, where the doctrine IS too streamlined into singles and doubles and pushing through.

[@safeandeffectivelol]

@@vittocrazi Competitive wrestlers are still bigger. That doesn't mean they can't be technical. Judo seems more like a self-defense technique that a regular office worker can do out on the street. I'm talking about traditional Judo, not the sport Judo.

[@vittocrazi]

competitive wrestlers piss hot very often compared to other combat sports...@@safeandeffectivelol

[@kineticsage8137]

For three years of DIII wrestling I had a teammate who combined extensive Judo training with his wrestling. I was trained traditionally in wrestling only. His balance points were certainly different, and he made me a much better wrestler because of it. Funnily enough, I was never thrown in college, despite going against some DI dudes as well. Perhaps this was the reason.

[@zaynes5094]

@kineticsage8137 Go do real judo training with a solid sensei and he will have you disciplined and learning the various throws, trips, and footsweeps, as well as the kata we do, in a matter of weeks. Within 2 years you could become a orange belt, and within 5 you can be a green belt, within 8 I was a brown belt, and within 9-10 years of full-time training you can become a black belt.

[@kinnionfarrell8327]

Not Kimono its a Judo GI they are Judoka not Gysha girls.

[@isaacvale918]

Although you are not wrong, Men wear Kimono as well, though less commom than women, its completely acceptable.

[@kinnionfarrell8327]

@@isaacvale918 Hi Isaac. Just getting back to you no insult intended, I was specifically speaking about Judoka and training with my reference to the Gi not kimono. Sorry for any insult inferred.

[@King_Achilles]

Personally I love both Judo and Wrestling. They are both that middle barrier that allow to dictate the fight standing or on the ground.

[@YusufSayed-px2xy]

Both ground fighting is still not as much as BJJ tho. BJJ is pure ground fighting. You'll need all of them

[@erikmmccray]

It comes down to the person and the crosstraining a judoka that has practiced no gi grips is going to have an the edge, but a wrestler that can fend off chokes and joint locks is going to be a bear to stop.

[@zartic4life]

Stop what a pin and a handful of takedowns? Not trying to be a jerk.

[@DEPENDENCIAporINCAPACIDADE]

@@thetej2227 you cannot have eternal life without knowing good and evil, genesis 3, dependence is not good and is not freedom, you are dependent on a hierarchical power MATERIAL

[@SNAPPINGTURTLEGUARD]

Great video. Thank you.

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

The purest form of Judo bar the Olympic style has almost all the elements of grappling, the takedowns and the submissions

[@ElDrHouse2010]

Wrestling for the UFC Judo for Law Enforcement, for Police Officers.

[@legacyWRYT]

Khabib nurmagomedov and islam makhachev are judokas and wreslers

[@zaynes5094]

Disagree here as a judoka myself.

[@lassotraore3974]

Why?

[@ElDrHouse2010]

@@lassotraore3974No clothing gripping vs clothing gripping, thats why.

[@pimpompoom93726]

Leg grabs make freestyle wrestling more effective. A better matchup would be a Graeco-Roman wrestler vs a Judoka.

[@williamtan689]

Judo, Wrestling, and BJJ are the best styles for grappling: -Judo can throw you in any way and let the gravity smash your face to the ground, and let the planet beat you to death -Once a Wrestler gets a grip on you you will get slammed to the ground eating concrete -BJJ can loosen your joints and bones while folding you like paper, its like folding your clothes while your in it. (Aikido only works if your opponents hands are up and when they are cooperating)

[@fadfsdfasfsa]

Boxing is the best, and hardest sport, not combat, but sport an general!

[@chrislorentz2911]

It's rarely a style vs style. It's almost always a man vs man. However, in a real life situation, away from equator ie. northern hemisphere where one usually wears something on Judo would be more advantageous with it's use of the clothing of the practitioner or the opponent. At the same time I would say that wrestlers are, most probably, the most athletic of all the fighting styles practitioners. They are like gymnasts and fighting a wrestler is always a challenge, no matter what you're training background is.

[@WorldsGreatestRingAnnouncer]

Judo and Wrestling are highly underrated now in MMA. BJJ’s glaring weakness is the standing game and the fluid transition time from upright to ground. This is why Brock Lesnar destroyed the competition. His wrestling background and freakish athletic ability kept fighters from settling into the ground game because he dominated that brief one to two seconds transition from upright to ground and ground to upright.

[@MIKAEL_FORSGREN_DRACO]

Very interesting topic and great video. I like both Judo and Wrestling, also Jiu Jitsu, Catch Wrestling and Sambo. I teach and Train Self Defense, MMA, BJJ & NoGi Grappling so this is useful for me as a researcher and analyzer of Martial Art. Thank You and Have a Nice Weekend :)

[@pantelis5891]

God damn what a beautiful video

[@youmang]

Chamizo and Basile training was awesome to watch

[@angelopaolo]

I do all because I train BJJ and There's a benefits in learning wrestling and judo to help BJJ. Don't limit yourself in one martial arts, try all of them and make it your own.

[@kevinsmith3476]

Judo has amazing takedowns (probably best of any martial art) but often needs work when it comes to submissions and actual ground work.

[@bakaguya2203]

that’s why most judo dojos also teach bjj

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

BJJ actually originates from Judo bruh

[@AndrewLaReal]

His point still stands

[@zaynes5094]

@@AndrewLaRealI don't know where that guy goes to judo, but my judo club in upstate NY always stresses about doing randori (or active full 100% sparring) from the feet to the ground and following throws to the ground with submission and/or choke attempts. I was known (before I stopped going to classes, due to becoming an adult and having to work and go to school) for being able to lock in armbars and chokes from the feet to my back in a few seconds.

[@kaipankration]

I wrestled and coached wrestling and currently am a judoka. These sports are equally challenging and have their attributes. When you are talking about preparation for competition, they are the same, grappling is grappling, appreciate both

[@deifor]

Good stuff, thanks for this. By the way, it's pronounced "Tcha-mEE-so" for the Cuban wrestler. In Cuba, we had these boarding schools for sports, where the young athletes lived for the most part of the month, only going back home every other weekend. The fights between wrestlers and judokas and boxers were fun to watch. In the lower categories, the wrestlers dominated because they were physically stronger usually than the other two combat sports.

[@zaynes5094]

@deifor I don't know where they are, but in Japan and even in the states, judokas I knew and competed with were some of the strongest I know and insanely fast throwers.

[@ComboMuster]

I have to say Wrestling because their technique has nothing based on grabbing opponent's kimono. On the other hand Judo is more complex.

[@MaxLohMusic]

I constantly hear how no-gi is supposedly better for real street fighting or self-defense while everyone seems to ignore that people wear clothes in real life so it makes sense to practice grabbing them sometimes (and dealing with people grabbing your clothes)

[@ComboMuster]

@@MaxLohMusic Oh yeah absolutely true however the issue here is professional cage fights not street fights. In a street fight Judo has no equal because of throws and some very lethal techniques while you still standing. In a cage fight judoka is at a disadvantage.

[@terrykim2748]

@@MaxLohMusicSays you. When someone picks a fight with me, the first thing I do is get butt ass naked.

[@cahallo5964]

@@ComboMuster Doesn't seem to be the case in real life tho both judokas and sambo practicioners do excelent in the cage, it's just that olympic tier judokas cross train much less that their wrestler equivalent.

[@buttdunk1]

It would be critically helpful for the ignorant viewer if you specified, with physical description, which competitor is the judoka and the wrestler in each match. Thanks for the video!

[@philyip4432]

I started out in the early 1960s with Judo, and in the late 1960s with GoJu Ryu karate, in the early 1970s, i trained in Tae Kwon Do. And now, in my seventies, i continue to train in gunjutsu.

[@mariomarquez1006]

The Judoka doesn't wear KIMONO, the Judoka wear JUDOGI, a kimono is a traditional japanese suit, even so a judogi and a kimono do not look similar each other

[@martinlaser7819]

Yes, but kimono-style. Of course in Kyudo, Kendo or Aikido (Steven Seagal shows in one movie how to wear the Kimono with the sword) it is more traditional. The simple "gi" is there different from that in Judo or Karate. There is Bushido and Budo. Kenjutsu, Kyujutsu, Jujutsu .. is more martial and comes directly from Bushido. Budo is today more fighting sport. 'Martial Art" is today a little bit exaggerated. Self defense is maybe something inbetween.

[@brianblock6334]

This is incorrect. A Judogi is a type of kimono. Your comment is like saying chimpanzees do not eat fruit, they eat bananas.

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

I have seen Satoshi Ishi call it a kimono lol

[@martinlaser7819]

@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 You can compare the uniform of a soldier at different times and you will also see some elements that remain. The difference between the European sword and the European weapons from military to sport are evident. The same in Asia. When the warrior lost all his weapons the boxing (with kicking) and then the clinch began. Karate was connected to Chinese (kick-) boxing, Savate is french (kick-) boxing. Thai boxing is harder. But what do you do on the ground? - asked Ion Bluming from Amsterdam.

[@martinlaser7819]

@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 You can call the dress of a dressage tail of a dressage horse rider "tail" a sports dancer wears a dancing tail. Of course the judo gi is very special and not very traditional however it is still a shortened type of Kimono, not the lang trousers.

[@jambo_jackbelly]

You have to define what you mean by "win". Are you talking about "takedowns" or "top control" or "submissions" or "mma style fight"? The truth is there is no such thing as one style winning every single time anyway.

[@jaymorris3468]

Judokas definitely on throwing techniques and on strength its subjective, rules are apples and oranges but skill set and timing, for throws, definitely JUDO and Sambo but the question is a silly one from the beginning. There is no better unless you have bouts using same rules, but judokas have more armament in their arsenal. They compliment each other as does BJJ. When wrestling a wrestler a judoka has to become a wrestler and vice versa.Theyre both wrestlers at the end of the day specialising in different skill sets. The video shows nothing and there's no context on whos who, rules fighting under or anything.

[@aaronthomsen-uw9bb]

@@thetej2227amen

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

Absolutely. Grappling is grappling. Judo, BJJ, freestyle, catch, etc. are more like dialects of a single language than different languages entirely.

[@theperfectbeing]

You can tell the wrestlers from the hand placement on the head, the ankle control when they take the back and the way they use a bunch of fast short footwork movements when they circle to grab. It's all much more frantic than the other types of grappling.

[@solomonburke9213]

Judo is dependent on wearing clothing because their technique is dependent on the ability to grab the clothing. Wrestlers are use to competing without clothing so their technique is not dependent on clothing. So, who would win?? it depends on whether they are clothed or not. If both are clothed, then the Judoka will win. If they are not clothed, then the wrestler will win. But which one is best for the street? Judo because most people on the street wear clothing.

[@atshabal]

Both or really good but if I need to choose one and mastering it to the fullest I would say judo.

[@c.galindo9639]

Interesting portrayal of skill. It really depends on the expertise and maneuverability in the art of those two styles of combat. Although judo does have its dominance in body manipulation so more ways of figuring out how to use one’s own anatomy against themselves

[@951219bb]

I love when the Dagestan guys say "please" and "brother" 😂

[@bennyguardian3225]

He is muslim.

[@isidorocanones2954]

I would have enjoy more commentary

[@marinaabreu6147]

The art of judo doesn't have any no comparation !!

[@armanmartikian]

The Beauty in Judo is unmatched.

[@locobass]

They are both great. Good life too both and all the athletes that train. Love Martial arts

[@ImSofaKingGood]

Took both in high school. Both are great and badass! Chose to continue with judo in adulthood.

[@nhbf00_]

@topjudokas Can you put links to the videos of the fights between the wrestlers and the judokas Thanks

[@Stitchman3875]

I’d say it depends on the person and he wants to fight. One nice thing about Wrestling and Judo is that like BJJ, Sambo, and other grappling styles is that they are very similar to each other. Hence no matter which you start with, you can cross train with any of them and it will only make you better. In fact you’ll often find schools that cross train. Only difference is where your emphasis is.

[@zartic4life]

BJJ has no stand up wrestling but yes all are similar since they orignate from Judo apart from wrestling (ancient Greece) of coarse.

[@Stitchman3875]

@@zartic4life yep. Basically the holes in any one of them can be filled by any of the others.

[@kennyjanssens4448]

2:15 nice , quick ippon seoi nage. very dangerous as a good surprise element

[@MaxLohMusic]

I've never seen the specific variation of kouchi at 6:16. It seems pretty innovative, and similar to a muay thai sweep Edit: What the... I've also never seen this particular variation of uchi mata at 6:36 with an ankle tap. Must try

[@TakeItToTheGround]

That's standard garden variety kouchi makikomi. In fact no new judo in this video. Good but not new.

[@MaxLohMusic]

@@TakeItToTheGround are you talking about the first or second technique? Neither are standard. The first is done with practically no grip and the second is not kouchi; it was uchi mata to ankle pick (although, on second thought, the latter is actually a well known combination)

[@MertBasar]

@@MaxLohMusic The first technique you mentioned at 6:16 seems to me rather a Ko-soto than a Ko-uchi. Nonetheless, you are right, very different than what is taught in kyu curriculums, him trying to sweep the foot without any grip and such.

[@chrislomi6526]

I did both for years Biggest difference: Judo is focusing on technical throws and wrestling is pure fighting! Love both 💪 Great sports, in my experience!

[@davidtice4972]

In California we have the largest Japanese population in the United States with many Japanese community centers that have Judo dojos that I practiced Judo in. One of my training partners was a 3 time national Judo champion and state wrestling champion. Judo and wrestling have been mixing in California for many years.

[@Trump4Pez2024]

A lot of judoka - at least where I grew up - were also wrestlers (or were the wrestlers also judoka?). A lot of the best judoka were also the best high school wrestlers and many of the top judoka I knew wrestled at the collegiate level. I know 2 who were national collegiate champions in wrestling and national junior or senior champions in judo at the same time.

[@mikuspalmis]

Talk about skilled.

[@tayloralfaro3239]

What state are you from?

[@dimmadome7609]

These judokas fighting no gi making half of their techniques impossible to do and still executing throws is, to me at least, reason enough to consider it more effective.

[@markymarco2570]

01:33 wrestler mercyfully didn't give a back arch throw.

[@m_s333]

when he hooked with his left leg it was his defense from a throw

[@markymarco2570]

@@m_s333 there was no hook

[@user-vr2xr1db3l]

I think they both have beneficial techniques to learn.

[@Swanderphotography]

I'm a 3x state champion wrestler and bjj black belt. Trained some judo as well. "Who wins" depends on the rules and how well the athlete adapts to something new and applies what they know. Wrestling generally is going to have better athletes just because of the culture of the sport being a popular NCAA supported college sport gives wrestling a big advantage. Judo doesn't have a as many competitions locally and the ones they have aren't as big as wrestling tournaments. The biggest disadvantage is wrestling rules are designed to avoid injuring your opponent so every method a wrestler uses to finish a fight is going to deviate from their sport. Because of the culture and physical advantages wrestling usually provides a better foundation for BJJ than Judo because Judo and BJJ have too much overlap (sounds counterintuitive but Judo + BJJ looks exactly like BJJ, Wrestling + BJJ looks like a BJJ competitor who is amazing at takedowns and very hard to sweep because of their solid base) Judo is not going to encourage you to be as creative and learn new ways to use your foundations. Your competitors are going to be very well versed in defending standard Judo techniques like Ko-Uchi-Gari because its what they're used to. BJJ guys don't know what to do when I leg lace them and convert that into a leg lock, they don't know what to do if I use a leg lace to pass guard, catch wrestling moves often catch them off guard as well. But its really hard to make such a general statement about what really comes down to the individual

[@ScritRighter]

As a wrestler who grapples with Judo guys, I think both styles have a lot to learn from one another. I love how slick a lot of the techniques and takedowns are for Judo, especially the ones which don't require a grip on the Gi. Judo emphasizes setup and timing, where wrestling is often a lot of pressure and scrambles. Even if I get taken down, or tripped or something else I always spring back up or find the reversal. But if I manage to get them down, I'm usually able to keep control or stuff the reversals. Judo is a lot about creating the right moment and perfecting the technique. Wrestling is a lot about persistence and sheer athleticism. I think both styles are two sides of the same incomplete grappling coin. Both are incredibly good grappling styles, and the winner between the two arts is usually not going to be a matter of which style is better, but who is the better grappler. I also think mixing the best of both styles along with submissions from catch wrestling and jui jitsu makes for such a great style of grappling. All these grappling arts fill a specific role in grappling and they rarely conflict with one another in my experience.

[@alpo6668]

Which rules are we using?

[@davidchastell3110]

A much fairer comparison would be to allow 2 similar level Judoka / wrestlers to Grapple in the Gi

[@safeandeffectivelol]

It would be fair if both wore regular street clothes. A simple T-shirt and jeans like you would have out on the street.

[@clarkme8952]

I think they're both great.

[@lawrencelou3545]

As bruce lee said.. attributes always win over techniques.. judo vs wrestling or any martial arts.. whoever is mentally and physically better will emerge victorious.

[@yourmaster888]

it depends of a person not of a style or belt many belt keepers cannot fight in real life with persons without belt or fight skills

[@yoapps137]

Both are amazing... BUT there is absolutely no doubt in my mind after being in MMA for 10yrs.... If you did JUDO(i dont mean jujitsui...)... your sence of balance, takedown defence, leg sweeps... are way superior to any one.

[@user-os8cx1fb2d]

You never faced a Greco Roman wrestler

[@yoapps137]

I actually did ... I remember him being the most reselient and hard pushing bull I had ever encountered. But he was also the easiest victim of my Tomoenage I had ever imagined!!!

[@kirkvj8330]

Who's style is the best in takedowns?

[@praxseb4317]

I do muay thai, what would transition best into my stance and style? Judo or wrestling or some BJJ? I am looking for something which would be best in self defense / Street fight, not professional ring fights.

[@mootje24]

because you are a striker is judo the best option and it has many elements of wrestling and bjj, and in a street fight you have clothes on so judo is perfect for that

[@praxseb4317]

@@mootje24 thank you for responding, I also came to that same conclusion

[@No_step_on_snake]

Im 15 and have done bjj for 3 years. In the future i would also like to try judo and wrestling to improve my grappling 💪

[@Guitarial_arts]

I train bjj with a few kids like you, they’ve been training bjj for a few years and we’re doing well. But they got into wrestling at their high school and now their bjj is so much better

[@zer0diamonds315]

Judo and wrestling. This is basically Sambo right? Cool vod btw.

[@sergioblancomartinez627]

Este dilema es difícil de resolver depende mucho de la calidad de los luchadores , los estilos , judo es una mezcla entre greco y libre ya que se utilizan los ganchos con los pies , lo que no cabe duda que los dos son dos grandes deportes !

[@HectorHernandez-dw8zs]

I was 21 years young and weighed 140 lbs. I had a black belt, one day a guy walked in saying was a wrestler and he weighed close to 300 pounds. He then said he wanted to show he could beat me. Long story short I won and he left very embarased

[@Armanm0084]

Actually, wrestlers and judokas are learnt by different rules so we cannot compare their strengths and abilities. To compare judokas and wrestlers, we must challenge them with each other's rules(judokas with wrestling rules and wrestlers with judo rules). 😉 ❤

[@wrestlingjudoms1302]

Does anyone perhaps know the two at the end?

[@sariosario6631]

It's depends of the rule. Traditional judo, use many forbidden techniques that not used in Olympic judo

[@joeruiz4010]

Traditional Judo has about 70% of BJJ Ground Fighting techniques. Traditional Judo is absolutely ruthless.

[@LeeSurber]

This video clearly demonstrates how bad ass both are..!! I wrestled at a very high level trained by a national champ..!! I only thought my throws were good until I took 2 mandatory semesters of Judo for a criminal justice degree..!! It was a complete game changer for me..!! I believe any wrestler who wants to be better should take Judo..!!

[@sarantissporidis391]

Both fighting styles are great, when athletes like these clash, then it's up to which individual is more efficient, and not which style is better.

[@b_ks]

I think the poster has over-estimated my ability to tell who is who.

[@MrEezme]

They fight under what rules ? what do you wan to compare ?

[@bobdownie.2806]

Khabib seems like he knows his stuff, I agree with him.

[@FM-kb3hf]

Wrestling is the style with more belts in over 30 years of mma with and with no rules...

[@Hellavit69]

I did both wrestling and judo in high school. The judo team mightve been just shit but wrestling training was harder. YET, the techniques and skills as a 5th year judoka Im still learning new things and the techniques are much harder to learn.

[@dimicharitidis3725]

Judo is way more technical and practical! Its like wrestling but more advanced!

[@sleepytwiggaming]

Both are great

[@MrKirbydonahoo]

It depends on the person. And are you competing in a wrestling or judo competition. They have different rules and scoring. Also, a lot of the time people do both. They both give you different tools. The dojos I liked had no gi practices that really helped my wrestling

[@antoniogaravo9936]

Judo = wresling like bjj = grappling the same sport with a kimono

[@loneronin6813]

As a grappler myself (Although due to disabilities, I can only do sweeps, takedowns, holds, chokes, joint locks, and limb breaks from standing) I can honestly say that you wouldn't want to mess with skilled practitioners of either martial art.