Juggz the Podcast Episode 12: The Satanic Panic gave us great games

[@JuggzthePodcast]

Hey Everyone Rob here, you'll notice I made mistake with Peachey's camera and we had a broken mic I've had to edit around. There's been a couple of mistakes the past few weeks and I want to apologise to Louise and Peachy, all of you and Joe. These aren't intentional and I'm trying really hard to keep the quality high. Just been a couple of simple mistakes recently and I feel bad about them and letting people down. Normal high quality nonsense will resume next week. Thanks for the understanding and sorry again

[@Andy__H]

Go sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done RG. 😂

[@MatchaMakesThings]

I love the tech errors. Its kinda like a running bit to me. Some are more egregious than others, but honestly very impressive how you can work around them! I learn about solving my own problems from your examples! Thanks Rob. Keep up the good work!

[@derekgarcia3069]

Curious if the last few episodes will be uploaded as podcasts or if you're sticking to KZbin only?

[@gacharizer1372]

Oooh that's why Peachy has the super saiyan eyes... looks cool still so good on you Rob!

[@Nekorook]

I got a real good laugh every time the Louise shrugging with "Rob Juggzed it up" slides appeared the other week. I'm glad you are all able to take the little hiccups in stride.

[@TheMichaelb44]

I Wrote my dissertation on ludonarrative dissonance and it's impact on single player narrative driven games and hearing that phrase again triggered me like a sleeper agent 😂

[@PeachyTips]

😂😂😂

[@robclarke1098]

How the heck does this channel only have 13.3K subs? By far the most entertaining wargaming podcast out there.

[@PeachyTips]

You’re too kind Rob love ya 😘😘😘

[@thesoothsayer9223]

Probably SEO, these aren't the JUGGZ many people are looking for but they're the JUGGZ we need

[@khromas5392]

To my great shame I apparently hadn't subbed. I have corrected this grave error.

[@overlord3051]

100% agree. The level of joy this podcast gives me is top tier

[@harrycross9051]

Everyone else is missing out!

[@darthinfamous73]

Rob you should absolutely not feel ashamed for using the term ludonarrative dissonance. It's a well established term, especially in the video game sphere, and it got a smile out of me hearing you say it.

[@BMJYDK]

Name 3 Famous Germans? OK Peachy, Peachy in his Blacksmith Days and Peachy in Juggz.

[@PeachyTips]

😂😂😂, all great Germans I hear!

[@OldManRogers]

@@PeachyTips I think the fan of the tall blonde elves that Rob was referring to was actually Austrian

[@harrycross9051]

Across the Peachyverse

[@JonSteitzer]

This Podcast is just the best thing in miniature wargaming. Max FitzGerald and now Joseph McCullough?! Insane!

[@elukka9]

58:48 It's hard to be a man in the hobby. Never apologize for using the correct words, Rob! (Love this podcast, perfect soundtrack for painting)

[@JawaBob]

For real 😂 Everyone is clowning on Rob for being a nerd on their WARHAMMER PODCAST. Pot meet kettle

[@zramirez5471]

Does Peach always sparkle like a vampire, or is that only on his birthday? XD XD XD

[@PeachyTips]

Birthdays and sunlight 😂

[@duncan1544]

I love that Rob says he is afraid of being caught by the heritage foundation for robbing burial sites, and not falling victim to an ancient curse or being haunted by the dead. Thats what I'd be watching out for Louise!

[@jamielaing5244]

Ahhh you see, the heritage foundation actually exists.

[@Karrde_dmw]

GW interview circa 2000 is still a tale I tell people cos it was so strange. 12 people herded into a back door of GW HQ with barely a word said. Then to warm up we did a 'just for fun' quiz on warhammer, and general history. This fun quiz eliminated 6 of the group who were escorted through a door and never seen again. The painting round saw 3 more eliminated after a cursory look at a unit we'd painted. The remaining 3 of us each did a presentation and were all told we'd failed and ushered out of the building. No proper interview, no feedback, no excitement of being in our hobby dream place. TBH after hearing the salary for being a retail manager I felt like maybe I'd dodged a very low paying bullet...

[@PeachyTips]

That’s insane!!!! I remember some of the ones I attended, but that’s another level 🤯😂

[@javids.9537]

Please upload this to Spotify, I love you guys!

[@PKBratney]

Yes! Episode 8 is the last new episode available on Spotify. Please update for those of us on long drives who don't want to die by driving off the road while watching KZbin!

[@battlekiwi]

We need ear juggz 😭

[@matthewcooke4882]

I agree. Been waiting weeks now

[@Mithrandill86]

I agree - I normally listen to podcasts during my commute to work, and seems the last 4 Juggz episodes are missing from all podcast listings :( Hopefully they get it sorted :)

[@johnbattyll6874]

Let hope they are not like GW and resetting the clock each time you ask

[@mickgreen9426]

So much love for Osprey books, all my silly converted armies required one! Samurai Tombkings? Osprey Elite early samurai! Cat Beastmen from the dark continent of Indh? Osprey Medieval indian armies! Ottoman/arabian Nights Ogors? The Ottoman Empire 1326-1699! Amusing to know Joseph was lightly influencing my wargames even before Frostgrave:D

[@cantstraferight]

It's ok Rob, I knew what you meant when you said ludonarrative dissonance.

[@alexkeenan5201]

Underappreciated aspect of this hobby, you can, like Peachy, find a creator of something miniature-related that you like, get talking to them and they turn out to be a super cool and friendly person. Very few hobbies out there that you can almost 100% guarantee any individual will be cool.

[@PeachyTips]

❤❤❤

[@PKBratney]

Hey can you please update the audio podcast feed? Episode 8 is still the most recent episode available on Spotify. Thanks!!

[@morerobotwarscontent1476]

In Aberdeen if you want slate for your bases you just need to walk down any street in the city center. Lots of wind plus poorly maintained roofing= profit. Then I go home to my leaky cold flat and finish my model.

[@evulutionofgaming]

I agree With Miss Louise, really nice to see how much fun Rob is having with AOS. Great episode Guys.

[@gacharizer1372]

Always looking forward every week to listen in the Juggz podcast! Belated happy birthday to Peachy! And hoping for a future guesting of Duncan just to relive the Warhammer video days

[@nurglematthew893]

Thanks so much for the fun. Eager to add a more relevant comment later on, Happy Birrrthday!! 🥳 🎉

[@Krzysztopherson]

Hey, team! I just wanna say great job with producing this interview. Here's a few tips to make future ones better: 1.) Don't interrupt the person being interviewed. The number of times Joseph started a sentence and then got derailed by a tangent was noticeable. 2.) Some prep work / research prior to the interview goes a long way. Sean Evans from Hot Ones is a quintessential example of this. Thank you all for making this interview happen!

[@mikefitzpatrick1375]

I have to thank the show and Peachy tips. All the talk of Sharpe and now I’m two seasons in and loving it. Might have to explore Napoleonic games!

[@Nekorook]

Happy Birthday Peach! Also this show and Peachy Tips has really gotten me interested in McCullough's games. thank you for that!

[@PeachyTips]

I’ve certainly found my kindred spirit in rules writing, bloody love his stuff

[@jamfjord]

I'll second that, I might never have heard of them if it weren't for Peachy.

[@nathanbuxton3271]

Needless to say it was great to hear from Joseph, but I can’t say enough how much I love when Rob gets a chance to talk about the technicalities of games, it’s so insightful.

[@Blacknight8850]

Is there a hard cut around the 1:21:09 mark? It goes from a conversation about the Hobbit into Louise talking about painting?

[@mad1739]

I thought I skipped ahead by accident, I think you might be right tho

[@mad1739]

It's at 1:21:12 I believe if the editing goblin needs the specific timestamp 😊

[@Priestleyguy]

Yeah I alsocthough I skiped ahead but double.checked there is just a crazy cut between 2 conversation

[@MOSESJESSE]

My guess is it was edited out by pro terrible hobbit movie fans 😏

[@D-Raya]

Someone didn't like where the conversation on the Hobbit went 😄

[@aerlands100]

"they're humans, but you could just use dwarves" -Rob This. This has been my guiding principal in my cities of sigmar army. All elves and dwarves models, regardless of stats!

[@oldex6564]

1:49:55 hey I did the sound design for one of the modern licenced Robin of Sherwood audiodramas. Great Juggz as usual guys. I love Stargrave especially.

[@Madbamlooted]

I’ve thought about Barry the cannoneer and “hard day at the office” every week since that episode. Gets me every time

[@JimCrimmins]

I love Joes games so much… building my Rangers crew right now. The narrative element is the reason it works for me

[@saritor]

"How do you deal with ludo-narrative dissonance?" "Psychoactive medications, mostly."

[@bornincrimson]

Dagon (2001) was one of the better Lovecraft adaptations I’ve seen besides Color out of Space. Worth watching if you’re into it.

[@chrishughes1376]

"Two possibilities..." Fantastic movie!

[@AndrewMcColl]

It's interesting to hear Joseph's take on the Rings trilogy, since I've watched it that way in a cinema. Back when RotK released, our local Imax aired the extended editions of FotR and TTT back-to-back (with about 45 mins between) then followed them with the midnight premiere of RotK. It was a truly epic movie-going experience.

[@shorelessskies]

I can totally relate to Joseph’s story, except when I hit the decision point I became a teacher and a writer on the side while he moved to the UK and made the dream happen. What a legend.

[@marlonmounce8313]

Every episode is a masterpiece and this one is no exception. Love the videos!

[@CanalTremocos]

2 hours of my most anticipated guest. Thank you.

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

Joseph did tell me I shouldn't do something. Within a ridiculously short time, he gave a detailed description of why the faster character that could interact with objectives was a bad idea. The Frostgrave and Stargrave Facebook groups are the only reason I still have an account there.

[@mec1052]

Peachy... I love the Hobbit movies too! They have a very special place in my heart and are great to have on in the background while I paint.

[@garyknight3018]

Great fun interview, really keen to get Frostgrave happening in my hobby rotation, serious hard to find the books in Australia, they are on Amazon but as a retailer myself I always try to find a store.. the hunt continues.

[@Grendel400]

Hey Guys, Thanks for the interview - I came in from Peachy Tips cause he mentioned the interview with Joe - and I have to say, great job. However, similar to Krzysztopherson - give it a bit more structure. For example, around 1:30:00, Rob suddenly goes off to tell Joe his entire life of what he is doing - to what end exactly? It looks as if Joe pretty much is out of it from then on. All a bit random, and that is a bit sad, but I am certain that you'll get into it Keep it up and all the best

[@JuggzthePodcast]

Hey bud. The show has never meant to be an interview show. It's people joining us in our journey. We would love to have Joe back on

[@redcoat259]

When are you going to address the issue that the WHOLE internet is raging about? And answer the simple question? When is MSPaints going to guest star?…and will he bring the frog!?!

[@psycojester]

Rob and Louise really need to look at Malifaux. Rob because no game does a better job at expressing ideas about the characters through rules. And Louise because there's an entire faction of Gremlins with pigs.

[@TheCthogua]

Wow, we went to the same college! He would've been a couple of years ahead of me but we may have actually crossed paths at some point. When he mentioned the game store in a basement I was like "Wait a minute" and did some snooping and I TOTALLY went to that same store! He has a picture on his blog from 97 or 98 and I would've been a Freshman or Sophomore! I remember going in and asking if anyone played Warhammer and being SOUNDLY REBUFFED and told that no, everyone had quit because Games Workshop was terrible and was trying to squeeze out small gaming stores. XD

[@m.e.3862]

I'm going to name this episode McCullough, Juggz and Speed lol. (Only the old ones will get the reference 😛) and happy birthday, peach! 🎉🎂

[@brenthartman502]

Excellent work getting Joseph on the show. We are into our mad long winded campaign of playing Frostgrave and will be embarking on his other games shortly. Cheers for such a good system and free flowing game , recommended to all 😄👍👍

[@oliverbradeen7524]

Juggz Juggz Juggz! The greatest podcast no one knew they needed!

[@IcarusGames]

Always absolutely wild to hear anywhere in North Wales name dropped 😅

[@johnthompson4969]

Outstanding, having good Joe on the show. It's great to show the gigantic options that are avaliable, and of course, the exceptional talent that creates "the hobby avenues to pop down and find the old curiosity shops of systems".

[@benjaminford1542]

God why did I try and take a big gulp during "High nippless horse"

[@baynemacgregor8441]

Peachey if you love Flash Gordon you Need to take a look at War Rocket and Retro Raygun by Hydra Miniatures!

[@PeachyTips]

Bloody love those minis, I have a few, but crooked dice do some amazing Flash Gordon minis

[@baynemacgregor8441]

@@PeachyTips Have you tried their rules? (Disclaimer: i was a playtester for Retro Raygun) as War Rocket (which i didn't work on) is i find one of the most elegant games i've ever played.

[@RTRStreams]

Wow. Didn't know this existed, but glad I found it. 3 of my favorite creators on one show.

[@c00bie]

Loved Peachy in this episode! So happy 🎉 Eyes litterally sparkling. Thanks for giving us such great Juggz!

[@cml4914]

I'm glad at least one other person enjoyed Prometheus

[@alexanderharvey6407]

When Age of Sigmar came out I liked just how open and loose the lore felt at the time. It opened up that creativity of, "Hey, I know the names are changing and all, but aelves and duardin and humans are all together now! There's so much possibility here!" And then the Stormcast, to my recollection, were just "heroic souls" being forged into a new shape. Which to me said ANY heroic soul, the aelf who was about to be devoured by a slaaneshi daemon gets zapped to Sigmars side, the duardin cracking skulls as his position is overrun, the human sucking in all the magic about to blast his own skull apart to defend his tribal village...all of them could be Stormcast. So I started collecting bits to make a duardin Stormcast force. We hadn't heard anything much about Grungni other than he helped create the Stormcaat and then he disappeared to find his people out in the realms. And them they started to write more stuff and setting boundaries and not embracing the potentially wild combinations. Stormcast are very heavily coded as human heroes. The duardin are either naked Slayers (with like 2 models and a giant dragon) or Sky Pirates. At least it felt like Cities of Sigmar would initially let you be a combined force, but even that kind feels like it's being pulled away.

[@Vaellas]

Its Juggz time! Happy belated birthday to Peachy!

[@space_bees]

You can fit trugg, two troggboss, and six dankholds in a 2000 point list

[@TheRendar]

Another excellent great episode! Huge fan of his games. Own all of them lol . Keep up the great show 🤙🏻

[@henrikwannheden7114]

I absolutely agree on Joseph's take on Prometheus. I had to go to the pub and talk it out afterwards. I was constantly rewriting the script as I saw the movie which seems to have been written by three drunk high-schoolers that didn't talk to each other and think they know schi-fi after seeing one crappy 90s SciFi series each, and not the same one.

[@cyriltournier]

Fantastic as always. Great guest.

[@nurglematthew893]

Great that ya got to play some games, RobbO! And eyyy, writers and game design, big 👍

[@LukeGeaney]

How come Peachy has digital glitter leaking out of him? Has he been replaced with an AI hologram? If so please open source it.

[@MartinPittBradley]

What’s insane is that the rook’s name is derived from some old word for chariot, meanwhile it looks like a castle and its big move is “castling”

[@GunwitchUK]

So to watch this took me 2 days because i kept annoying my partner by laughing too much. Great vid, awesome guest and Peachy needs a slap for bringing up AI though lol.Keep it up, can't wait to get my t-shirt

[@worm1618]

I always proxy models for ones I prefer, which is usually always undead regardless of what the skirmish wargame dictates I use. I see tables and stat lines as archetypes for a specific role/class in the warband.

[@Brighton24601]

Don’t worry Rob, I also love the term Ludonarrative Dissonance. Great episode, all! I’m currently in the process of painting a set of Frostgrave Barbarians II, so I was super excited to see Joe on here today!

[@lukevassh7740]

Hey, just so y'all know, life can be a monkey fighter sometimes and you guys never fail to bring the joy. 👊

[@Lokster71]

There's a Doctor Who story - Patrick Troughton's final story - called 'The War Games', which has soldiers pulled from various periods in Earth's history fighting in different war zones in order for a bunch of aliens to build a fantastic army of their own. Which sounds like something Joseph might find interesting.

[@jimbomacroth3400]

Yes, I remember that episode. There's also a solo wargame called Brutality that explores the concept.

[@Christian_from_Copenhagen]

Joseph, Vince Venturella and Uncle Atom should do a collaboration and call it Death Station 2, hehe. Great conversation, I'm really getting into Rangers of Shadow Deep at the moment, it's a great feeling when a ruleset really motivates creativity!

[@Big_Blue_Monkey]

I did an interview at the Derby store years ago and it was a group interview, with tasks etc. I have a feeling it may have been the interview that Duncan was hired. I remember we had to bring some painted minis and I hadn't completely unpacked having recently moved to Derby. The only stuff I has available was 95th rifles which were converted to Sharpe's Rifles. To Suggs if you want a course on Flint Knapping look for one taught by Chris Lord, son of the late John Lord. Chris and his dad are probably the leading experts in the UK.

[@wardruchii]

Another great episode, I don't know why (maybe he is from the same area of the US) but there is a twang to Joseph's voice and I kept hearing the 'nam' teacher from Back to School.

[@star_wars_miniatures]

58:43 never laughed so hard in my life 🤣🤣 that was brilliant! I want to use that phrase at work tomorrow!😅

[@Brighton24601]

I think ludonarrative dissonance was a term coined by a writer to describe his experience in the original Bioshock game. I think it’s a really useful term, but it is crazy sounding, and it always throws people for a loop if they haven’t heard it before.

[@CornishMoose]

No shame in liking the Star Wars prequels Louise, many people have realised that they judged them too harshly, especially since the sequels were so bad!

[@BTolputt]

For what it's worth - I am an amateur game designer and have known of (& used) the term "ludo-narrative dissonance" for years. You're not the only one Rob 😉

[@donchaiminster1989]

Another game by Osprey Games, Gamma Wolves, was sort of written to let people use their Gundam models in a wargame.

[@davydatwood3158]

I hear what y'all were saying about not letting the sotry get in the way of the game - but I'll admit, one of the things that turns me off of Frostgrave is that there's no differences between a human soldier, a dwarf soldier, and a gnoll soldier. If I see those different figures on the table, I want them to *act* differently. At the same time,*forced* differences can get very restrictive, as you folks noted. I've come to appreciate things like Song of Blades and Heroes. In those rules, you just pay for abilities. There are pre-built stat sets for those that don't want to bother, but you're not locked to those. Which means either as a group, or as a GM running a scenario, I and my friends can make sure there is a real difference between our dwarves, elves, and kobolds - but also avoid the Mordheim issue where the inherent stats makes one team just lose.

[@KinMusicUK]

In secondary school we did philosophy and the teacher said they could teach the whole syllabus using the matrix because it covers so many topics and theories

[@Nicola_Sacco]

Favorite part of this episode so far has got to be these three inviting an American back to the UK for some religious persecution.

[@PeachyTips]

😂🤣 i mean no I’m reflection…..😬

[@Nicola_Sacco]

@@PeachyTips Just having a bit of fun.

[@mordecaitoth6703]

I whole hearted agree with Joe's philosophy when it comes to wargames. I think a lot more gamers would be having a lot more fun if they were less stringent about the rules, or even the themes, as written mentality. Also the simple yet profound thought of "write the ruleset you want to play" is something I think all hobbyists should try. It is a very rewarding experience and it gives you a reason to play and experiment with more games because the more rulesets you read and play the easier it is to get your own ideas in to a playable state. Excellent guest and discussion! Thanks for sharing!

[@karstedt9987]

I like Joseph's take on victory conditions... meh... he was thinking about a game he wants to play, not a game that he wants to be over. I think progression and development are the important things. Oh my god Peachy, you now have an ever better catchphrase than 'just move your your hand faster'. It's so offensive, I love it!

[@farnball1]

'You win by sitting on a spot the longest' makes me imagine a map with toilet sits spread all over...

[@harrycross9051]

Archaeologist here, I've done a little flintknapping in my time Louise, be prepared to break hundreds of pounds of stone! Ive done a few chips of flint and obsidian on models before, i keep meaning to go back and paint a savage orc and give him a real stone tool 😂

[@iiiiiiiiiicecream]

Oh my god that opening animation is hot as f***

[@Andy2D6]

Very easy to cast judgement from up on your high nippleless horse.

[@alexandersideris924]

@Roguehobbies Don't forget about Underwater with Kristen Stewart!

[@NigelMills]

I like the idea of the Rascal town sculpter maybe designing an enemy/competitors to the goblins. Could be insects in a cartoon style or maybe some sort of gnomes. Just a thought.

[@Ergontal]

14:40 "That's just a small trip." Ah. Peachey's German side is shimmering through.

[@mikemeyer300]

I'm curious as to Louise's thoughts on Annihilation with Natalie Portman as a lovecraftian movie

[@mikemeyer300]

I can't agree with Rob more about the awesomeness of the Matrix

[@pocketsizedintifada]

great episode, sean bean character mentioned + osprey publishing appreciation

[@matthewdavis6976]

I need to ask because I think I know the Father that Peachy mentioned and he was Father Tom, he was both a Father and a tutor of Philosophy. He wore a long black coat, a wide brimmed witch hunter hat, a crucifix that looked far too sharp,the whole works, pretty sure the due was an actual vampire hunter.

[@raVenwomBat]

Why are the episodes 12 and newer only on KZbin?

[@paulroberts8994]

Happy birthday peach, I'm smelting some lead in your honour

[@thanemakes5377]

Happy birthday Peachy!

[@alexanderkourtis3849]

Confirmed Peachy isnt a real person. I could clearly see the artifacts from editing in the video. Conspiracytheory established.😄

[@TheMoist0ne]

Something cut around 1:21? Skipped from hobbit movie talk to slap chop pretty jarringly. 1:20:48

[@RealJahzir]

Happy Birthday Peachy,

[@chewykreis3932]

where are the spotify JUGGZ!? i want JUGGZ in my earholes while i'm working!

[@DomesticWithAnMD]

Is sisterhood of the traveling underwear how that book series is understood in the UK? I had assumed the language would be regionalized. 😂

[@Fughley]

Happy birthday Mr Peach!

[@irregularwarsfantasticbatt1320]

If you enjoy miniatures agnostic games with full flexibility in army building, have a look at Fantastic Battles.

[@chrisg.2102]

Is there anyway to find these old Warhammer streams Rob talks about? The narrative ones with Peachy in them.

[@Jez-Hunt]

Joe McCullough is a legend!

[@SwopetheDope]

DWARF TANKS?! YES PLEASE. I also want a Dwarf Chariot Pulled by Rams... yes like the Hobbit Movie 😂😅 Peachy Said Flash Gordan but my 13 year old 🧠 thought FLESH GORDAN 😆😅🤣😂