Bethesda Responds to Some of the Starfield DLC Pushback

[@KarlRock]

The problem is the boring writing, lack of decisions, boring companions who get angry at you, and fetch quests. It’s really the bland writing team.

[@aseroxd]

How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live ~ Henry David Thoreau

[@elmecaniconaranja1126]

Design has been a problem in bethesta games too, compare a nightclub in starfield with one in cyberpunk, starfield is just bland

[@MartinOReilly-mb4um]

It's `safe`. Toxic safe.

[@hoodgothx]

You can fix bugs, you can never fix a bad story.

[@tatuajesvsv3694]

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[@cafespy6906]

The problem with the game is primarily the exploration, I mean POIs that are identical in EVERY way, all assets in the exact same place and all enemies doing and saying the exact same things, cheapens the experience of the rest of the game and throws a wrench into the immersion. It is the thing that needs to be fixed.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@cafespy6906 Have you ever played a video game in your life?

[@StuckInBliss]

Couldn’t agree more. The first copy pasted science lab really killed my excitement. Completely identical.

[@XoRandomGuyoX]

Yeah, there is the Bedlam mod to mix up the enemies at least. I know even games back in the day like the original Tenchu knew to have several layouts for its levels. It wouldn't be too hard to have more spawn points in a PoI than will be used at a given time and then have a procedural generator roll up some randomness. You just have to keep the bosses static so that they work with the Radiant quest system.

[@69Mikou]

Exactly, the copy&paste everywhere, that what makes me quit the game...

[@BeKind1Love]

Mods change that

[@splitzkee_]

CDPR realized their mistakes and turned cyberpunk around but bethesda said starfield is their best game ever made...

[@george5432]

What sad is from a technical stand point, it is their best launch. You can fix bugs and further polish a game, but you'd have to completely redesign starfield to fix it

[@artemmurrr848]

You can't fix bad writing.

[@george5432]

@@artemmurrr848 Yes you can, you hire better writers and like I said do a complete redesign.

[@noctrk161]

Cyberpunk 2.0 patch is probably the most impactful patch ever. Gameplay mechanics are finally working properly and everything just clicks, it's a very fun game to play right now. Starfield likely won't make such comeback, primarily because of the lack of the gaming world you could explore and traverse, we don't count proceduraly generated planets as such. Also the lackluster lore severly cripples an urge to return to the game.

[@DGrant1801]

​@@artemmurrr848it's not even totally writing, what they had wasn't bad, they just didn't have enough of anything. All faction stuff was over pretty quick, and there's not enough unique locations stuff to really keep you captivated after that. They really banked on Ng+ to bump up their gameplay hours but you're just doing the same thing over again just slightly different.

[@maxalan5546]

You can tell modders have given up on the game because we would have tons of NSFW mods by now

[@Derivedwhale45]

Not really kid n those NSFW mods are overate nowadays & u know it

[@TheMrcalcovaify]

As a past modder with friends that are still active in the scene; Yep it's just not an interesting enough game to mod for. Not to mention the game engine changes that make it more of a pain than past games. So Bethesda isn't only out of touch from the gamers but from the modders as well.

[@samueldawkins]

@@Derivedwhale45 speak english clearly

[@Fishster]

Modders tend to not bother modding crushingly average games.

[@kmoth6911]

@@Derivedwhale45 I don't really care about what you're taliking about, I just wanted to say that anybody who uses kid as an insult is insufferable.

[@Matt-vc2te]

are we seriously not going to even mention how this dlc was a carbon copy of nuka world? three factions at odds are made to see eye to eye to overcome a common goal? do something for each faction to earn their trust as the randomly appointed chosen one? It was not a quantity issue it was a QUALITY ISSUE. They completely recycled the entire narrative from nuka world and it infuriates me that we are not talking about that more.

[@HaleTheFreeVoice]

You mean like every bethesda dlc 😂😂😂

[@teamacio9043]

Its not a big deal

[@HaleTheFreeVoice]

@ dude don’t hurt his fragile ego let him hate its who he is

[@TheNightman.]

@@teamacio9043 it is a big deal, it shows how fucking lazy they are

[@skyriminspace]

I never finished nuka world so it's new to me! 😂

[@IDPhotoMan]

Todd: "Dang it! We should have made 'em pay $10 for the Buggy!"

[@Bear-Knight]

I'm really enjoying the game the past week. The prices on things that were clearly cut content is disgusting. Im picking and choosing what will add to the complexity of the game but also looking for free versions

[@Danceofmasks]

The buggy doesn't really work. You drive off, then you get off the location and you need to go back to town. You can't fast travel in the vehicle, so you leave it behind. After selling stuff, you want to go in the other direction, but you can't call your buggy to you. It ONLY works if you drop on an empty planet and start driving FROM your ship. And in NO OTHER circumstance. It's half baked like the whole game is.

[@illusiveman3325]

​@@Danceofmasks "can't call your buggy"... while in Skyrim you could summon your horse using nothing but a horn.

[@Themistocles30]

​@@Danceofmasksyou can teleport back to ship with buggy though

[@Danceofmasks]

@@Themistocles30 eh ... what does fast travel stand for? It's assuming you're going back to someplace you've been to, in an efficient manner. The game should just assume you drove over and have the buggy be there with you.

[@agirlnamedmichael1670]

I have no doubt that Shattered Space was cut content. I think what gripes me is that on top of it being cut content they reused assets, like the "scary phase monster" that is a creature we've seen innumerable times on other planets. The "clutter" was the same as everywhere else in the game, few new armor sets and weapons-there was nothing that made Shattered Space feel like anything new. It being so short and overpriced just added insult to injury. Shattered Space should have been a companion quest.

[@damayatiyalistan4250]

Which all makes sense if it was 80% developed and cut out for dlc...

[@frankieyamz]

overpriced? not for premium edition owners

[@ETX53]

​@@frankieyamzaka clowns lol

[@DarksiderDarmoset]

"Starfield sucks" is not a vocal minority, it's the vocal majority lol

[@carbohydratespeter361]

Yeah lol

[@PrettyGuardian]

"Maybe we should have waited to release buggies..." is the most Steve Jobs sounding piece of nonsense.

[@Daniel91728]

I'm surprised there's still 4k players playing on steam.

[@na-dm6jb]

😂 wow 4k

[@MemoryPallace]

Simple minded zombies

[@FlexLUTHORdev]

There are a wealth of passionate video essays detailing the myriad failings of Starfield and the DLC... none of them mention the rover. At this point it's just undeniable that Bethesda has trapped themselves in an echo chamber where they refuse to hear even the most well-intentioned constructive criticism. We need to accept that the studio that gave us what we all warmly consider to be the quintessential "Bethesda game" is long dead, and in its place is a minimum viable product machine which exists for the sole purpose of exploiting past goodwill to churn out paid mods.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@FlexLUTHORdev You wouldn't know a failure even if it sat on your face.

[@captainpandabear1422]

I don't think that's quite right. Starfield is a hot mess, but it's a hot mess that took eight years to make and was made instead of the established, proven franchises. Meaning it's not just minimum viable product as a money grab, they believed in this game. Sadly, the game they believed in wasn't very good and had flaws they won't see because you are 100% correct about them living in an eternal echo chamber.

[@behemoth-g6k]

​@@jodieholmes8453 it's a failure in the court of public opinions. More people are playing fallout and new Vegas and Skyrim than this new up. The modding scene is pretty barren too. New Vegas get more mods everyday than starfield. One of Bethesdas worst bought dlc having record low in return players. Starfield has failed. The up was already buried.

[@FlexLUTHORdev]

@@captainpandabear1422 This is a very good point. There may be some middle ground between our two perspectives where the existence of the creation club allows BGS to push features down the road rather than polish or incorporate during production, as they know they can now not only add things to their game in perpetuity but even better be praised for it by their community. So even if their initial intentions were to create a full-featured product they at one time believed in, I can see it becoming very easy for their administration to excise elements they didn't deem necessary for release.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@behemoth-g6k Public opinions havent mattered since Last of Us 2 came out and Dragon Age has only continued to demonstrate the overall public should be ignored on their opinions for games.

[@viperx4wert]

I haven't even tried Shattered Space yet and I don't really feel like it tbh.

[@rufescenteagle7299]

Same. I own it but haven't touched it yet

[@HaleTheFreeVoice]

Its honestly not terrible but its weird you have to join house varuun to do any of it lol

[@Mordy.]

@@HaleTheFreeVoice You don't have to join them as much as go through some ceremony they impose on you. You hardly are a member of the house after. You can also skip doing most of the tasks in the ceremony. In essence you can fake joining them just to get permission to go in their city.

[@HaleTheFreeVoice]

@ ohhhhhhhhh i didn’t know that 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️ thank you i’ll be sure to remember that for new game plus

[@Tsotmiam]

I liked Starfield and I'm in the same boat. Once I realized I didn't want to play the DLC I payed for I uninstalled the game.

[@UrbanSasquatch]

I love that Bethesda added vehicles, but you can clearly tell it was an afterthought as my vehicle cannot even make it through the foliage of the worlds

[@iakeemvassilopanagos4572]

At this point they need a Cyberpunk 2.0 level upgrade for this game I didn’t want to believe it at first but its true the game is simply unfinished

[@UrbanSasquatch]

I completely agree. I love the games Todd Howard has created, but they definitely need to be modernized. Destiny 2 is the closest space-themed game to Starfield, with its star map, world selection, and lack of flying. However, Destiny 2 has handcrafted worlds, and only a small number of them. In contrast, Bethesda chose quantity over quality in Starfield, and I genuinely don’t know if they can recover from that. I personally don’t want to explore somewhere that is procedurally deleted when I leave the planet. It’s a beautiful game. I’m happy with the story. I love the combat. But man, it just doesn’t have the backbone of a Bethesda game when it comes to exploration but with every other aspect of the game.. I am super happy with it.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

No $hit. They didn't plan on having vehicles and added them because everyone was bugging them for vehicles. And now you're complaining the terrain gets in the way 🤡🤣🤣

[@5226-p1e]

of course it's an afterthought, they expected the player to love traveling on foot like any other bethesda game lol. to be honest i'm glad to see they actually have a drivable vehicle, now they have no excuse to not have vehicles in fallout games anymore, the first fallout games had working vehicles, then bethesda took the reigns and they pretty much avoided them and pretended that there were no cars in the lore, but mostly because they couldn't do it up until now apparently i think they could have done this all along, they were just too lazy to make it work.

[@UrbanSasquatch]

@ idk man… I don’t think the creation engine is capable of doing stuff that other modern games are doing, I believe they are aware of this but sacrifice it for allowing us to create mods

[@otherfanboy]

My issue with Bethesda is the have been relying on Moders and the Creation Club to add stuff to their games or fix issues instead of doing it themselves, yes the mods can be a huge plus to the games but they should a additive not adding content or finishing things that should have been in the first place

[@jodieholmes8453]

@otherfanboy Most of their sales comes in the initial launch of the games or re-releases. Mods have very little impact on actual sales.

[@TheNightman.]

@@jodieholmes8453 and their sales tanked

[@skyriminspace]

Official content is typically of a much higher standard than mods, but mods bridge the gap between dlc releases. As an end user I actually only see plusses!

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

@@jodieholmes8453 Tell that to the people who are still buying Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind.

[@StevenKeyser-cn4os]

@jodieholmes8453 yknow you don’t need to reply to every naysayer right? Do you know the devs personally or something? Running a lot of defense for simple fan.

[@liveanotheranime3526]

1) Points of interest are a problem. 2) Building ships and outposts are basically the best part but ships, space, and outposts are basically useless and pointless to visit.

[@Deehvad]

It almost seems like the bigger these studios get, the worse their games become. Like yeah, they look more sleek and are less buggy and are more "modernized" or whatever, but they just forget what "fun" means and what players actually enjoy.

[@Deehvad]

...not to mention that they have a harder time taking risks with story and dialogue.

[@XoRandomGuyoX]

Yeah, passion is replaced by committee meetings. Go back and look at the dev team for Skyrim. While smaller, and thus more nimble at making changes, they were also passionate about the game. Once you divvy up the work, handing the project off to various disconnected teams everything gets bogged down and there isn't any room for passion or drive.

[@blakecasimir]

Corporatism and DEI have destroyed the fun in making games.

[@Themistocles30]

​@@XoRandomGuyoXAdam Adamowicz was one of the devs and he passed away. His concept art was out of this world and beuatiful.

[@olsonbrandon91]

I have to disagree, Bethesda is actually really small for a AAA company compared to most.. they could honestly use more people lol

[@aidant6469]

Bethesda needs to hire some real nerds to write their game plots.. they have too few dungeon masters in their ranks...

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@aidant6469 No one cares about your smut

[@dranzerjetli5126]

There is only one Todd Howard.

[@insiainutorrt259]

By their writing they are text bots at best in no way whatsoever human at all...

[@charleshartley9597]

Agreed friend. Most games would benefit from having a few veteran DMs on the writing team. Of course I'm based since I am a DM 😂

[@xathlak]

Releasing the Buggy with shattered space would have been dumb. You can barely even drive it on the planet and it was clearly designed for jump packing around.

[@SimmerCK]

That was my first thought when I heard of Tod's comment. Doing so would not have been for our benefit, but Bethesda's.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

6:07 this is a game industry issue. Not a BGS specific thing. AAA companies have become more bureaucratic. Thus everything takes longer.

[@skyriminspace]

There is a really interesting conference where starfield lead quest designer will shen speaks at length about this specifically in relation to starfield & bethesda. But you're absolutely right, & no way is this a Bethesda specific or even game industry specific issue. It's any field of human endeavour when your organisation really starts growing.

[@Macheako]

Idk bro….have you seen Fallout 76? 🤣

[@stirlinggerbic-forsyth3345]

Games also cost so much more money, that the company *needs* to sell to as many people as possible to make a good profit. So being safe and with as much mass appeal as possible is the safe pick because that offers the largest potential audience.

[@LucidStrike]

That's usually because they're doing more work, bigger game worlds, more detail, more features, etc. Starfield isn't anywhere near state-of-the-art, and the DLC isn't much content.

[@nenirouvelliv]

Yeah, having worked in the games industry, surprisingly many people don't realize that expanding the dev team even bigger won't make the game creation process better or more fluid. Add to that the misconception that the increase of bureaucracy will automatically make the design process more faster and efficient. When you lose passion and vision then there's really nothing that can save your game.

[@DakotaAP]

It's harder for them to make dlc, because modders haven't been modding starfield, so they can't just steal mods to build the dlc's

[@sentinel-q6j]

@@DakotaAP even modders have given up on this one

[@NoOne-g1t]

There is a way to address the "running to locations" issue. Instead of "fast travel", or a "vehicle", make game so people are easily sidetracked. On the way to main location, collect valuables, repair gear, craft mission critical consumables, meet new npcs, manage inventory, feed creatures, claim pets, have random interactions based on setting, changing conditions based on time of day, make gear type synergize with factions and resources. Have game transition seamlessly. Long way from point A to point B is part of every good game. What makes something a great game is how much distractions studio places in between. In this regard, modern day Bethesda is shameful, and miles behind newer, lesser studios.

[@Caculon]

That's what I found about Skyrim. I found the main quest to be boring but everywhere I went I stumbled upon something interesting. I believe the last two Zelda games were made with this in mind as well. I think the idea was Hyrule was hilly, as the player is moving around there is always something new just popping into sight.

[@Vienna3080]

Fallout 4 was an early sign that Bethesda lost its sauce, I’m no longer really looking forward to ES6

[@Ydrakar]

Its certainly in “pleasantly surprised” territory at best now.

[@walasona]

You'll be there day 1 wicked excited. Stop lying.

[@WilliamLopshire-xq8dk]

Elder scrolls isn't something they're going to mess up on that's the game that made them big in the first place

[@TaylorPrem]

No Fallout 3 was the early sign. The story was copy and paste of the first two games and exploring the ruins of DC sucked the wasteland was fun to explore though. There were good points yes but the signs were there. Signs that became more clear as time went on Skyrim the gameplay was great and the world beautiful and fun to explore but the main story sucked and the faction stories ranged from subpar to ok. Showing that the bad writing in Fallout 3 was not a one time thing and that Bethesda began to run out of ideas and creativity. Fallout 4 again the writing problems continue as the story sucked and the exploring sucked there was nothing interesting to find and Boston was really small and boring showing they were out of ideas and creativity for both their stories and the worlds they make. Bethesda games are just getting worse.

[@Aaron_Red_Ran_Anger]

honestly i was going to try to contest this, but your entirely right about all the glaring issues that I always chalked up to age. Bad writing is not solved by saying you had technological limitations, and even worse writing with good technology is nothing good

[@Intr0vertical]

Starfield's problem is it's ALL of the bad of bethesda with little to none of the good. The entire GAME is the radiant system. They've been escalating that system for no reason since skyrim. Skyrim did it fine as it allowed you to get a reason to explore areas with no real content. Fallout 4 made it worse by having the Minutemen's whole questline rely on it. Then Bethesda is great at world design and environmental storytelling and instead of focusing on it they make a huge empty space map that repeats randomly over and over and the handcrafted stuff is boring. They did bad with that in fallout 4 with the settlement system which just made potentially cool locations empty for an unwanted base builder feature. They still have no real " unique " weapons like in Fallout new vegas or skyrim. The legendary system is dumb when you can get the exact weapon that is " unique " randomly. Sigh, es6 is worrying

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@Intr0vertical So why are you here?

[@playervstrihard]

@@jodieholmes8453 you mad that someone has an opinion different than yours?

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@playervstrihard No just curious why whenever a video about a topic I follow is posted, I have to put up with people like you. Do you really not have a life?

[@XoRandomGuyoX]

I'd say the UC Vanguard and Crimson Fleet questlines got most of the good in Starfield.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@playervstrihard No just curious as to why someone would follow something they hate

[@DeadBatteryRed]

All of these updates throughout the year are things that should've been there day one this game needs a genuine overhaul on several aspects to have a future.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@DeadBatteryRed So Cyberpunk gets a pass then but not Bethesda. Interesting Hypocrisy.

[@Al_Lergic]

@@jodieholmes8453 CP77 had a good story from the start.

[@spacemultimedia2979]

​@Al_Lergicnever did, it's a piece of garbage, clunky in every way, made by talentless garbage developers.

[@paulgrant7221]

Gamers - This game feels dated, and needs more content. MS/BGS - we should have made gamers wait longer for the meagre additions we *did* make. 🤯🤯🤯

[@TheApawcalypseCats]

If we got this game like 2 or 3 years after fallout 4 it would've been good, but here we are like what 10 Years after F4 and we haven't gotten anything else?

[@yonghominale8884]

Uhm Fallout 76

[@TheApawcalypseCats]

@yonghominale8884 we don't talk about that 1

[@Derivedwhale45]

​@@TheApawcalypseCatsoh yes we do n you'll like it. U wanna talk about Fallout BoS, you know that game that literally nearly destroyed the IP forever by a studio that truly never care about said IP? Go ahead, go ahead n try to convince anyone with a brain and doing a straight face that BoS is better than F76 & Starfield overall, we dare ya to say that lie. No? That's what I thought

[@TheApawcalypseCats]

@Derivedwhale45 bro I forgot about that dumpster fire lol

[@gregwhetsell2340]

I think it’s time for them to all get fired. They’re never come out with a good game. Their games are all trash.

[@justinsimoneau5140]

Bethesda’s main problem is Todd Howard. He assumes everybody is going to love anything he puts out just because his name is attached. He’s not Kojima, but he wishes he was so badly.

[@Zero-eq7mp]

It’s such a bad game

[@yonghominale8884]

No on really liked Death Stranding but your analysis is correct

[@teamacio9043]

Nah, Todd's approach to game design is what makes Bethesda games great. He isn't the problem

[@Zero-eq7mp]

@@teamacio9043 wrong he’s just a director and producer doesn’t make the actual game

[@TheNightman.]

emil is also a problem

[@2demrock604]

We want MORE QUESTS! What don't they understand about that?

[@Erakelus]

Because we want more than just few quest. Starfield is below average in every possible way. MORE hollow quests with one conclusion and stupid dialogue aren't going to save that mess of a game.

[@zimattack9994]

First bethesda dlc I haven't bought

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@zimattack9994 ok

[@oneilc818]

The idea that potentially half of bethesda is currently working on starfield and not the elder scrolls blows my mine and hurts my soul

[@insanegamer23899]

I feel like the problem is that in attempting to intentionally create a game that "Will last 10 years," they felt the need to add so much content that they didn't actually have time to flesh out any of it so almost everything that's there is mediocre at best because as soon as they finished making the bare minimum the devs would get assigned to something else and as such would be unable to fully complete the original thing.

[@briang7030]

"People think they are just releasing cut content" "Did we release the buggy update to soon" This is him basicly admitting it. He thinks he should have held the content back

[@charlesslaton5924]

You've been an optimist when it comes to Starfield. I think that hope has been obscuring your analysis of what's going on. From the very start, Todd and Emil's opinion seemed to mirror that Simpsons meme; "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong." They didn't see anything wrong with Starfield, and they weren't going to change it significantly. And it's absurd launch sales (driven mostly by Bethesda Brand hype instead of game info) reinforced that idea for them. As for why the DLC was subpar. Because they're lying about how many people are involved in developing content for the game. Or they're fudging those numbers by including marketing, facility management staff, and janitorial staff. Or, and here's the darker option. The reason why all those earlier game DLCs came out so fast, was because they were being developed alongside the core games and were mostly done by launch. And no, Todd didn't confirm they were doing annual DLC. When asked if they wanted to in that Matty interview he said ""I would say we want to...more or less, yeah. How long that continues? Hopefully, a very long time, but that's...we're planning for the one after this, so there will be another one." That's not the answer of a man who actually has anything planned out on paper. That's a soft answer about what he'd like to do. If he did have anything actually planned he would have hinted or hyped a little with "oh, we're going to some interesting places after this." which is what Todd does. This was a corporate spokesman trying to make it seem like they have a plan and have already started on it. let's be blunt. They didn't think they'd need to do any more design work on the game after the 1 DLC and they're struggling. They have no ideas and no plans. Todd and Emil had this "vision" for their ideal dream game, but they didn't have any actual STORY ideas. They're fine creating content to go in settings and stories other people created originally. But when on their own the best they can do is "What if Firefly, but boring and not a western".

[@walasona]

Did you play the game or not really? Because there's absolutely a story there. Like there's DEFINITELY a story there, And even Mr.MattyPlays thought it was one of the best they've ever done.

[@StevenKeyser-cn4os]

@walasona Eh I disagree. The story isn’t the worst but far from their best. Why does the emissary just not care that we take the unity for ourselves to reset the universe other than hiding the pieces away again even tho they made their position very clear that it was wrong to reset it? Why does resetting the universe only affect constellation in any real meaningful way? Like why aren’t some universes entirely fc or uc or cf? Why not a universe that’s still going thru the colony war? Why is the hunter mainly just one guy, us, or Cora coe? Might have that very last one wrong. Vae victus’ reasoning for the whole terrormorph thing is ridiculous and heavily dampens the uc story(in my opinion at least) why does the fc ranger quest pretty much end after Ron hope? Are there no other serious threats the rangers need to deal with? So on and so on.

[@nexus3756]

Honestly I think they fudged the launch numbers a bit. I mean. they had gamepass. Everybody I know didnt buy starfield. they just downloaded it off gamepass then uninstalled it after a month. but 15 dollars in gamepass is nothing compared to a 70+ dollar sale.

[@soplet6121]

It seems there is no "return" for Bethesda production. I completely lost hope for Elder's Scrolls and Fallout series after the Starfield. It only gets worse after Fallout 4 in terms of a game quality and Howard's greed.

[@mikethor009]

Starfield was a gamble that turned out to be a flash in the pan. A lot of initial sales, but it doesn't seem to have attracted the same following that Skyrim and fallout seemed to have years after launch

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@mikethor009 Citation Needed

[@TheDarkness5]

Because New IPs are a hit or miss in general its why the ones that arent a massive hit end up not going to that series again and going to what they have better in terms of game series (s).

[@loatherofdogma]

@@jodieholmes8453 The charts in this video are pretty good citations.

[@justsomeguywithahat]

​@@TheDarkness5 Buddy. Any ip can be a good game if you have the right people making them. If beth gave modders source code of the game they can fix literally every aspect of starfield from the story, to the world, guns, npcs, companions, bugs, and rpg elements. Player counts would be 10x higher at the very least.

[@_chex]

0:12 Looking now (Thanksgiving ‘24) it shows 6.6k people playing. Skyrim has 31.8k.

[@guldan5773]

just let the game die already

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@guldan5773 How about instead you move on? Why are you still following the game if you don't like it?

[@AMarin221]

"ten years of support"

[@tuvalupanapa5490]

These 2 Hyenas run to every negative comment to throw personal attacks. Go away and take your septum Bull Rings with you.

[@chamberkun]

​​@@RubyRose23328 Maybe you should stop licking Tod Howard's boot??

[@charlielansdell7247]

Bro no it’s incredible just buggu

[@JW-ZeroSpyderW]

I cannot believe this is the same team that created Skyrim and Fallout 4. This is very concerning for TES 6, assuming it releases within my lifetime.

[@desolation1821]

They are planning another expansion for Starfield? As someone who lost interest in playing the game soon after launch, I can't say that I'm too stoked about that... I'd rather they'd cut their losses and put all of their effort into TES6 while learning from their mistakes AND the mistakes and successes of other games. Like the mistakes from Dragon Age the Veilguard and the accomplishments from Baldur's Gate 3.

[@JohnHPixelMD]

It'll never happen.

[@desolation1821]

@JohnHPixelMD you underestimate how much of an impact losing more and more money has on a studio and their publisher. At some point, they will be forced to change their ways or be shut down by Microsoft.

[@desolation1821]

@JohnHPixelMD and also it already happened in many ways. If the rest of the industry had no impact on the way Bethesda makes games, the games they'd make would be still on the technological level of Morrowind and Oblivion. We wouldn't have a buggy in Starfield. We wouldn't have gotten Fallout 76. They are listening to the outside. Yet due to ego, pride or a sense of superiority that stems from their past successes, they think they know better. And thus they only implement some of the features and mechanics other games had while ignoring others.

[@chainsaw8507]

I love the game so it's a win for me Plus it pisses off the people that hate me for liking the game, so that's even better

[@spoiledsalad1851]

@@chainsaw8507cool I guess?

[@mr.cooldude1407]

At this point I don’t even know if I’d buy ES6 or fallout 5. Kinda sad

[@GHOSTRIDER373737]

I like Starfield a lots, it's my favorite game of recent years. But I will say I think the negative review for the DLC is actually a good thing. It should discourage them from making more of it and make them spend more time on polish the base game. The DLC provide what people been asking, but not what Starfield is actually need.

[@logfox6175]

Не скажу, что это даст развитие основой игре, как длс это тоже развитие. Они как бы сторона одной медали и если вычесть одну и другой не будет. Объективная критика только приветствуется

[@jacqueslee2592]

@@logfox6175 Aren't you supposed to be in Ukraine frontlines, not playing Starfield.

[@BeKind1Love]

Shattered space main quest appears under the faction section of the quest log, so yeah...cut content is prob true.

[@wulphstein]

I'm enjoying Starfield.

[@skyriminspace]

Thank goodness i don't rely on reviews to tell me what entertainment to like.

[@mblair5327]

A major problem for me is the outpost system. I love the idea of needing outposts for resources but I only need the resources for a short period of time before they have no purpose.

[@ryanwilliam5386]

The lesson Bethesda needs to learn is “release a smaller single player game every 4 years, open and interconnected world that’s hand crafted” That’s what this doesn’t have that other games did. Shorten development cycles, make smaller games on less grand scales that have that smooth exploration of an open world. Release games more frequently so there’s more variety and a larger catalog of experiences for fans. The answer is obvious - they’re just seemingly doing all they can to rationalize not taking the obvious approach.

[@TragicaISpark]

When the free buggy gives you more options of gameplay throughout the game then the $30 "Big" Expansion

[@DaoistYeashikAli]

Nobody cares about Bethesda anymore

[@michaelclinkenbeard8040]

Cool... im gonna keep playing Stalker 2... also, a team is working on bringing Spelljammer to BG3, so modding is awesome there, making a great game even better. Yep, it feels good playing good games.

[@Gamer1990100]

Only thing bugthesda doe sis break fun games & only update 76; nothing on fallout 3 remaster nothing on fixing fallout 4 etc

[@jodieholmes8453]

Cope harder

[@ragdollz2514]

​@@jodieholmes8453how is that coping bro doesn't even know what the word means 🤣

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@ragdollz2514 Making up game rumors and saying Bethesda is responsible for them not being true is pure copium plain and simple.

[@oz314]

​@@jodieholmes8453found the Bethesda ultra

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@oz314 Stating a fact makes me a fangirl? Interesting take.

[@rufescenteagle7299]

Bethesda will NEVER learn!

[@InvitalPulse]

I think the reaction to Starfield is overblown, though the game is just okay. It's got some decent ideas, but I think it needed to be more like TES/Fallout. The fact that NPCs don't have schedules makes the world feel much less alive.

[@pollyd8548]

Their takeaway was that they should have waited for the buggy to be released with the dlc??? That wouldn’t have fixed reception at all, we’re so cooked

[@ChindasASecas]

Starfield sure feels like a game made by an AI.

[@shadowx436]

I cant pick up starfield it just feels meh. But guess what i picked up vanilla skyrim. And love every second. What happened Bethesda

[@JVillalbaAnimation]

Starfield is way more interesting and less cliché

[@14kmt]

Numbers say that there are 15 million players, if those numbers are true I’m pretty sure that’s all they care about sadly.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@14kmt Sales are the only metric left in determining if a game is good or not. People like SkillUp ruined every other metric.

[@loatherofdogma]

15 million have played the game, not currently15 million players.

[@14kmt]

@ how many of that do you think bought it outright vs tried it on game pass?

[@loatherofdogma]

@@14kmt I think it's fair to say a lot tried it on game pass. It makes good sense to do so if possible with any new release.

[@14kmt]

@@loatherofdogma true, I wonder how elder scrolls 6 will go over. Based on Bethesda’s track record lately we shouldn’t be to excited. But I know as soon as a real substantial trailer drops most of us (me included) will be back on that hype train sadly.

[@legacian4039]

No D class ships. No flagships or cruisers (like the UC Vigilance). No new ship manufacturers. No unique HAB interiors (like we see on the Fortuna or Scow). Still can't buy from Trident Luxury Liners. Would also love buildable, personal space stations. It feels like the next step up from outposts, and all the groundwork is already there. Hangar bays for smaller ships. "Land" vehicles with improved verticality (like a drone or helicopter). This all could exist in Starfield, with not too much extra effort. And it would improve the immersion and QoL so much.

[@PapaRoboto]

The players who didn't know about the buggy, but did come back for the dlc essentially got the ''delayed buggy'' experience. They didn't enjoy the dlc any more than anyone else. 🤷‍♂

[@Babagadouche117]

CreationClubfield

[@atomiccracker]

Starfield was such a massive disappointment, on so many levels. It has no depth at all. Good writing Could have made it at least, Playable(even with all the woke propaganda) but sadly, the writing team has not hired for talent, but instead, DEI. MODs on Console don't even help, because the 'Good Modders' won't put them on console.

[@iximmalicexl9749]

It just works!

[@dustinspade2253]

well guys ES6 is going to be awful i have lost all faith in this company

[@skyriminspace]

Listen to that conference with will shen. It explains a lot & you'll see how much was learned at bethesda. ES6 will be totally fine.

[@blasiankxng]

​@@skyriminspacebro will shen is gone, es6 is cooked 😂😂😂😂

[@skyriminspace]

@@blasiankxng correct that will shen is gone, but he didn't carry bethesda. Point is, the lessons will learned as bethesda grew during starfield's development (massively, if you look at the graph he produces during the talk), were learned by everyone else on the team too. Watch the talk.

[@blasiankxng]

@@skyriminspace clearly not considering starfield is still bad, dlc and this recent update included

[@skyriminspace]

@@blasiankxng depends who you ask. Anyway, the conference talk is there for anyone who wishes to understand the challenges bethesda faced with starfield.

[@arkturhellsing1484]

I had hoped to hear that Bethesda was showing signs of understanding why Starfield was a disappointment. I see they have no idea and I will no longer hope the next elder scrolls will have anything to offer.

[@GameBoyDame]

Todd and Emil are way too tone deaf. It's insane. They need to be fired effective immediately.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@GameBoyDame Why should they listen to someone who doesn't have a clue about actual game design?

[@GameBoyDame]

@jodieholmes8453 Maybe because these are their customers who give them money thus, keeping them in business. You sound just like Emil. "If you didn't make a game, you can't criticize it." You don't listen to your customers you lose business. That's how the world works.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@GameBoyDame You aren't even a customer and they are coming off their most successful launch in the companies history. So who are they going to listen to? Random people like you? Or the sales numbers?

[@GameBoyDame]

@jodieholmes8453 I have been a customer since I paid for the premium edition. Second of all, all we know of sales numbers is the 200 something million it made on Steam last year. The budget is rumored to be around 200 million. If that's correct, I wouldn't exactly call that a success. Third of all we don't know of any other sales numbers outside of steam as Microsoft and Bethesda haven't given them. We don't know how many players purchased the game outright as opposed to getting it on gamepass for a month and dropping it after. The 15 million player number is just that, a player number. Player numbers don't translate to raw sales due to gamepass. Try again.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@GameBoyDame If this game didn't make budget then neither did Re4 remaks which would have had a similar budget. For comparison, Starfield outsold RE4 Remake on the NPD charts.

[@IManchildI]

Got games like stalker 2 that just came out and that actually work and have some lore. I don't play for the story but Bethesda cant even beat a team whos country has been in a war.

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

That's not a response. That's a cope. Starfield is a crapy game that is one of the most repeditive game play ever by bethesda.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@user-us5dr2qi2r yet here you are still following the game like you have nothing else in your life. Bethesda lives rent free in that head of yours don't they?

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

​@jodieholmes8453 Right because watching a jucehead video is following the game. Go shill some where eles.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@user-us5dr2qi2r Yup Todd is chilling in your head. Usually if you see a video of something you don't like you don't watch it

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

@jodieholmes8453 sure mate, keep shilling it seams to be all you got. Oh and if you don't like a video you don't watch, ok cool you do you. So why you commenting on a comment you obviously didn't like, almost like you got some hypocrisy going on there.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@user-us5dr2qi2r XD. Trying to see why you guys are here. But it's clear you're unemployed and single. Else you'd be actually doing something in life other than crying about a video game you don't like. Later Gooner.

[@DCJiuJitsuGeelong]

The problam with this game is .......... the game !

[@kylezehner841]

If Shattered Space was the last Starfield related thing Bethesda made I would be pretty happy. This game and franchise isn't worth returning to.

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

Starfield is the best game of this millenium.

[@kylezehner841]

@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo 😂

[@Zero-eq7mp]

⁠@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yobest worst game of the millennium🤣🤣

[@ClarkWasHere1]

I saw a KZbinr point out that the amount of people who came back to play the DLC did not nearly match the amount who paid to play Starfield in Early Access . Keep in mind that the people who did pay to play early also technically own the dlc.

[@Katsuhi50]

Shitted space is a bug ridden mess of a DLC, i got to many points in quests being unable to continue said quest because the objectives didn't update and there isn't a ton of integration between the DLC and the rest of the game. important characters and questlines that could have benefitted from acknowledging the DLCs events or new characters just aren't there and fail to make you feel like anything you did in the DLC area is important to the rest of the game.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@Katsuhi50 Yet here you are still following the game. I'm trying to find an actual answer as to why you people still follow the game

[@riversidecomplex2218]

@@jodieholmes8453 drama

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@riversidecomplex2218 Outrage culture has ruined this planet

[@damienrichards9743]

Fallout New Vegas really does live rent free in Liar the Barbarian Himself's head. For those wondering, Todd Howard. It's the name my friend gave him after watching PatricianTV's TES videos. Don't know which one that mentions him being a Barbarian, as i was half listening. That and i was asleep because of a double shift. I just woke up to hear the word and went back to sleep. And then a week later my friend gave him the name and it stuck. Don't know much about Todd though to warrant such namecalling but i can see from other comments about this game and prior titles. Much love and respect. Except for the Liar the Barbarian Himself.

[@iakeemvassilopanagos4572]

“Should we have waited to put buggies in the game?” Umm.. they should have been in the base game TF this game doesn’t even have swimming or Day / Night NOC schedules like idk Oblivion… 💀 maybe you should have created a new interesting mechanic the way you did for the first Skyrim DLC that literally lets you be a Vampire & blot out the Sun Compare Dawnguard to Shattered Space & you will realize how disappointing it is both affect an already existing underwhelming / unfinished faction except Dawnguard has much larger impact on the overall game of Skyrim Shattered Space feels like it has nothing to do with & has no impact on the regular game world no interesting choices or decisions at the end & no high stakes whatsoever just a underwhelming mess & for $30 🤯

[@TheBlackRose3]

I actually somewhat enjoyed this DLC and I think it is a step in the right direction because it is content focused. Biggest complaint is that $30 is unacceptably high for something this short. For that price there needed to be at least a questline consisting of at least 8 quests, and 25 side quests. They really need to stop prioritizing features over quests. Also, we need to face the reality that there’s no fixing the procedural locations. They’re always going to be boring because there’s no substance to them. Minor locations in other Bethesda games are only interesting because of lore, and you can’t procedurally generate that. At this point I think the best move for Bethesda is accepting that Starfield is what it is and moving on to Elder Scrolls 6.

[@jodieholmes8453]

Oh no more review bombing. Honestly i dont see how anyone thinks Steam reviews are trust worthy anymore. Its happened to 4 of the biggest games this year alone.

[@JuiceHead3]

Okay so what about the Xbox and critic reviews?

[@IamSumfoo]

@@JuiceHead3sir you need to stop with your facts and logic. I was a deluxe edition purchaser myself and I still have not the shattered space expansion. From everything I could see it seems like cut content. Thus not worthy of my time. When they actually address the stuff that bothers me then I will return and try the game.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@IamSumfoo Facts and logic? Sure pal, just consume the rage bait.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@JuiceHead3 Okay so i should trust the critics who's only goal is to get clicks? Just today we had ShillUp complain about a game for being too real despite that being the developers intent. Or IGN giving concord a 7 when it was clearly a 2. I ask why should we take them serious?

[@JuiceHead3]

@@jodieholmes8453 mate if you love Starfield and shattered space more power to you. Reality is reviews are not great no matter where you look. You personally liking the game doesn’t change that and I more than happy to admit I completely wrong if you can show a place where the reviews are majority positive

[@CatBack94]

Tes6 is gonna be so disappointing

[@mickyuzi1622]

I wish that everyone would stop using Steam as the definitive player count. There are 10s of thousands that play and enjoy this game on Xbox and PC Gamepass.

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@mickyuzi1622 Do you really think Xbox haters care?

[@ifunnyuser6838]

@mickyuzi1622 no probably about 200 more than the steam count

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@ifunnyuser6838 Citation Needed

[@jodieholmes8453]

@@ifunnyuser6838 Care to prove it?

[@ifunnyuser6838]

@jodieholmes8453 cause, console players with common sense play a bad game once then put it down, look at achievement percentages, theres a reason games like skyrim and oblivion are still being played compared to the trashy space game that couldn't even trump an indie space game like nms, plus skyrim and oblivions achievement percentages are still growing where as starfields havent grown in a long long while

[@GeorgiaCav]

“Buggy” is a good name for the vehicle. Wonky controls, too bouncy, too slow. I often find myself leaving the buggy and walking.

[@Backbone420]

Mechs, story, POIs, paid mods, unstable mods system, growing gap between PC mods and console, lack of interest in modding, radio stations, melee movesets, kill cams, more reason to visit all the “extra” systems, large cosmic events visible in space that lead to an investigation to the cause, etc. are all moons orbiting the issue at the core. Starfield taps into the magic of spaceflight, but removes flight. You said it yourself Todd in an interview, “I want to land my ship too”. Starfield is a dope enough game it deserves to fly. Despite how little atmospheric flight was addressed before release, everyone held hope they could fly their ship. And when we found out we couldn’t, it broke all our hearts a little. Whether we want to admit it or not. And no matter how much or how little fun we are having when playing SF, that one thing is always there. Catch a smile out there. o7

[@CommanderChris66]

I can’t believe people still aren’t talking about the biggest issue this game has. IT RESETS AFTER THE MAIN QUEST! All settlements and all progress completely and utterly lost. It’s the biggest insult Bethesda could’ve provided. They don’t care about us enjoying our time in their world in an experience we create. They want us to play the game, do it again and again, and shut up.

[@wolfmirebacta8710]

The biggest thing to me that showed how Starfield was unfinished or had ideas that were never complete was the Brig and bounty hunting. You could tap those out and the game would lose nothing at all

[@RonnyAndersson-q9b]

I like to defend Bethesda. They make great games. Might not be perfect but it's enough. Just fix the bugs and glitches. Fallout 4 and 76 are great games. I'm on a break now. Looking at similar games, they hold up. Things gets added all the time. People complain about the lack of content. It can be added, no problem. Their worlds are great and the details with that. People bash them because of the bandwagon. Try to find something positive and go with that. I know you guys invested time and emotions, i know. Helping Bethesda excel is a better choice.

[@Aksu2077]

I actually deleted my Bethesda account. I won’t buy TES6 unless the more critical reviewers rate it at least 8/10

[@aaronboydston3172]

Yeah--that's my big concern. What does the Starfield project mean for TES6? Is it going to have the same problems?

[@SpikeSCII]

I heard that Starfield really opens up after 240 h of playtime though

[@maxd5007]

Starfield has zero replayability. No aliens, 8 billion people whittled down to like 300. You can do all the factions at once, the romance options are boring, companions are boring - I can't even talk to them, seriously why can't I talk to them about thoughts on this place, or thoughts on this quest? The only conflict is UC sysdef and the pirates, and it doesn't matter outside the quest which way you go. There is no reward to explore. It doesn't need as many systems if all the content could be fit on 10% of them. Bethesda just didn't think when making this game.

[@docj8173]

Agreed, the writing was so contrived and the character interaction DEI that it was so clear instead of telling the story, a group of social justice nitwits were only trying to make a point. Also, instead of 1000 planets with one city per planet on a handful, there should be multiple cities on some of the planets. A planet with a breathable atmosphere and resources should have at least three major cities with roads connecting them, multiple outposts, farms, energy production. Bethesda created an entire planet but only 5% of it is not procedural generated.

[@Rocky-or4rz]

If they think the only issue with Starfield are bugs and polish, they have become EA more than I thought. Pushing out paid creations on Fallout 4 that were broken on launch and not fixing them yet as far as I am aware, Bethesda has seriously become the villain in the gaming world. Coming from me, someone with almost 4k hours in modded Skyrim, 2k hours in Fallout 4, and have even uploaded two mods for Skyrim myself, I am done with Bethesda. Unless they course correct which I do not see happening, I will never give them another dime.

[@mrfishsticks266]

Starfield is The Sims 4 of bethesda

[@gamingwithmrgvil3511]

My issue with the dlc was that it only took place one planet on one map of the planet. Park your ship for the whole dlc because you're not going anywhere outside the Dazra outskirts. The only time you need to go anywhere else is if you specifically take a mission from the mission board. This was like one big faction quest but unlike the other faction quests you are stuck in the same place for the whole duration.

[@Throckmorton-i5o]

Imagine releasing literally 1 new mechanic that would've been day 1 content for any other game and then being suprised when your game isnt suddenly good. Like no todd, the lack of a car was not the only issue.

[@TeronRedoran]

It's small, but in intentional or not there's a small reason that's not just Bethesda being greedy to do free "Sidequest mods" like this beyond getting you to look at the store: Compatibility. If a preexisting mod's somehow impacted by the free mod, you can just remove it and keep your mod.

[@e21big]

I don't think PoI was ever a problem, you have plenty of near identical PoI in their past games too, the problem is the journey leading up to those. Photography and scan is fine and all but there really should be more combat or random quests along the line while you're travelling from place to place.

[@celebril]

Just an FYI... I review and select my mods from the website on my PC or iPad and save them as bookmarks. When I'm in the Creations page in-game, I just go to the bookmarks or I select search and typ the first couple letters, pick the mod and download. I never have to be annoyed by dozens of paid mods in my face.

[@TallDarknGruesome]

I've been watching a streamer play Morrowind for the first time lately, and the sense of discovery he gets from every minor area, the love put into city design, the custom made items and lore wildly outstrip starfield. and it was made by the same studio. with less people in less time 22 years ago.

[@Kivalt]

Morrowind has a bright future thanks to OpenMW and the multiple projects to extend the landmasses.

[@JacobYaw]

I guarantee the convo wasn't 'should we have waited with the buggy?'... It was 'should we have made the buggy expansion-exclusive?'

[@HeavyLiesFromAbove]

im okay with visiting the same POI’s. however, they need to lean into procedural generation and randomization. when i go to a similar POI, let there be different NPCs. let me run into different creatures or random encounters. every time i get on, i want to experience something different. every update needs to include this. if they cant nail the DLC, then lean into free content and mods with every update

[@t-rexreximus359]

I hope they eventually add space flight between planets within a solar system! (like an enhanced version of the astrogate mod). 🪐 Also, ‘space walking’ outside of ships, & POI overhaul. They also need more interesting factions to join in DLCs

[@jimcrawford297]

imo some of the problem is people who'd never been interested in the SpaceSim genre turned up wanting Skyrim in space, and got a SpaceSim - if a very casual one. I don't have the time that ED or SC require you to put in to make progress in the game; Starfield bridges that issue beautifully.

[@okonkwojones]

The weirdest decision about shattered space was not to add ship parts, because ship builders seem to be the most active community for the game…

[@riverrat3101]

my problem with starfield was that the different faction quests were far superior to the main quest. the main quest had a disappointing and unsatisfying ending in my opinion. finding all those artifacts should have led to the discovery of an alien race and its fantastic universe-altering secret--or something along those lines. also, the different powers should have been obtained each time we discovered and touched an artifact; there was no need to go gallivanting around the galaxy to locate a gazillion additional temples, each one exactly the same, and go thru the same animation again and again. (i grew so bored of this that i simply installed a mod that gave me all the powers at max level.) here's a tip, bethesda: for next year's dlc, have it include an alternate ending, one with aliens and truly ancient ruins, complete with dungeons and bosses and great discoveries. in other words, make it exciting.

[@laurensnieuwland4657]

The insanity is that they've already learnt the exact lesson they should be learning once. The early Elder Scrolls games were way too big with not enough quality leading to them not selling that well. So they went to fully handcrafted and small in Morrowind, which sold insanely well. And now they're making the exact same mistake all over again...

[@sirgideonofnir6840]

I wish developers would realize more employees don't equate to better results. Because it takes weeks to get input from one team to another for something minor. More employees means everything is slower, and the more people you have the skill quality lowers overall.

[@Ordoscc]

It takes time to onboard new developers that slows down progress from people currently productive. And inexperienced developers take a longer time to make good things, but time is the thing most projects lack.