Angel 3x05 Fredless Reaction

[@Buffy8Fan]

I love the fact that not only does someone in The Buffyverse have decent parents, but characters talk about said fact.

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

Lol, true. Even Joyce could be pretty shit some of the time.

[@Buffy8Fan]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 And she's usually considered second best to Fred's parents.

[@Remma1637]

I had never seen Amy Acker in anything until meeting her as Fred in Angel. She's so talented and some of these early scenes still make me emotional because of how much her character suffered in the other dimension. I also love that they make you think her parents might be up to no good and then end up being the best parents we've ever met in this universe lol. Love your reactions as always! ❤

[@julesreacts]

SAME! She's new to me, too. She's just delightful. I can only hope for the best for her 💜 This show (and Buffy) is a master at trickery 😅 it's hard to know what to believe sometimes!

[@DocHogan]

Amy is amazing as Fred, and both only continue to get better. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen (or noticed) her in anything else

[@Tantalus010]

She had a guest role in an episode of Grimm a few years back where she played a VERY different character to Fred. It was honestly a little jarring. I was so used to seeing her play sweet and quirky Fred that seeing her be somebody else in Grimm was like whiplash.

[@DrLipkin]

She's great in Person of Interest too.

[@DocHogan]

@@Tantalus010 I need to binge Grimm. I watched the first season and a half (or so) when it was being broadcast, but got distracted.

[@luckyrobinshomestead]

I love that Fred is so well loved by every character on the show. I think she is universally adored by everyone in fandom, too. At least I've never seen anyone write a bad word about her.

[@BenBanjo87]

I think it's impossible not to love Fred 😍😍😍

[@havok6280]

They fooled you. Fred's parents are the exact opposite of Tara's family...😂

[@BenBanjo87]

Fred is the biggest sweetheart ever ❤❤❤ When she said Cordy was the Heart of the team, and Cordy smiled back at her...😍😍😍 I don't know which was more wholesome - that, or Roger bonding with Angel over Bob Hope!

[@julesreacts]

Fred is SUCH a lovely girl!!

[@BenBanjo87]

​@@julesreactsI love Roger and Trish too!

[@JohnMC61]

Outside of a few key moments coming, I barely remember Angel, so it's almost new watching along. It's just because I've watched Buffy over 60 times thru, but Angel only around 10. I love Angel, but life got in the way of more watching of Angel, and losing the person I watched it with, was just too many memories. Even Buffy, Firefly and LOTR, I had to wait until years after she died before attempting to watch any of them again. Watching with you, and the emotions you feel watching, makes it easier to deal with the memories. Thank you Jules.

[@zenithquasar9623]

I think her parents were talking about calling the police but didn't want to jump the gun before getting to know Angel's crew better.

[@Tantalus010]

I remember being surprised at how surprised I was by this episode. Fred's breakdown upon being seen by her parents made so much sense in hindsight that I felt stupid for not figuring it out ahead of time.

[@Wannabe_Baby]

This episode has my favourite portrayal of Angel. He's so dorky.

[@talesyuki]

Fred has the best Buffyverse couple of parents!

[@julesreacts]

It's about time 😅

[@maidden]

I hope somebody explained that what Fred's parents were talking about is whether or not to call the cops. They didn't know if the Angel Investigations team was holding her hostage or something. So yeah, they're actually really really nice. OH! I have a personal theory that Fred's mom is a potential slayer who was never called.

[@julesreacts]

Yeah, her parents are lovely!

[@ashleytuchin7693]

Fred is just a delight, so it's great to see her place with the team finally cemented in this episode. She's one of my favourite Buffyverse characters, and it's nice to see that she's already endeared herself to the rest of the team. It's a relief to see that her parents are just as delightful - the whole family is a big ray of sunshine. They do such a good job of making them seem ominous, it's such a nice surprise to find out that they're good people. It's one of those rare times where there are happy endings all round. Now if only poor Lorne could catch a break.

[@julesreacts]

We should be used to getting fooled by now, but sometimes I still fall for it 😅 I was so convinced Fred's parents were weirdos!

[@texn7526]

Aweeeee, Fred is staying🙃🙂Such a good episode thanks so much Juliette🥰I feel for the red hearing as well🤔🧐So happy her parents are normal.

[@jameshenner5831]

The exteriors of the so-called Hyperion Hotel, "The Hotel," is at Bronson Ave at Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles.

[@julesreacts]

WOW! I'd love to see that!

[@JoeThornhill]

It WAS a suitcase. NOW it's a spring loaded decapitator. You should watch some 'MacGyver', sometime. Original '80's one or new 2010's one with Lucas Till. The amount of things you could do with a smart phone.

[@killianlpc]

In Fredless, Fred asks about Angel’s relationship with Buffy, curious because he left so abruptly to meet her at the end of the previous episode. One of the funniest moments in the show is when Cordelia and Wesley put on an overly-dramatic, humorous play that summarizes what Angel and Buffy's off-screen reunion might have been like. When Angel meets Fred's parents a very funny scene. Just comedy overload from Lorne talking about The Godfather 3 film, brilliant writing. Fred of course doesn't really want to leave, and works out what is happening and saves the day. Wesley talking about his past and childhood very telling, and you can see how this has affected him as an adult. All in all a very entertaining episode.

[@estoy1001]

Bad or nonexistent parents tend to be a typical trope in fantasy fiction, but Joss Whedon subverts this in Buffy, Angel & Firefly... sometimes.

[@lilywong9672]

Her parents were talking about calling the cops. They were suspicious of the crew initially lol.

[@julesreacts]

I can't say that I blame them hahaha

[@EGT392]

god Jules is so beautiful

[@davidmeadows5627]

I think when Fred's parents were asking each other if it's time, they were contemplating calling the police if Angel and the gang ended up sketchy, or maybe kidnapped Fred or something.

[@julesreacts]

OOH! Yes, that's most likely right. I often jump to the bad conclusions 🤣

[@reneeg9406]

​@@julesreactsi love the conundrum that is you 🤣 jump to the worst conclusion, yet ever looking for the happiest of endings 🥰........ even in a Joss Whedon project 🥴🙄💔 Never change🥰🥰

[@julesreacts]

THIS IS ME 🤣🤣 I honestly cannot explain it. I don't think I'm quite okay, at times hahahaha

[@circling-girl]

Fred's parents were debating on calling the police, I think.

[@trexinvert]

Gosh, darn tooting. Ms.Jules you are right. This is who I am and where I belong. ~ Fred

[@julesreacts]

YES 💜 Don't ever forget it!

[@julesreacts]

YES 💜 Don't ever forget it!

[@castorpollux5972]

This is one of my favorite episodes! 😀

[@tomswift3482]

Hey there, Jules! 👋💜 An interesting episode, with the big red herring. The parents cryptic conversations, and then hammering home the misdirection using Lorne, and his " ... you haven't run far enough." Selling the whole thing. 😉 But the rest of the episode was very comedic, from the opening Cordelia and Wesley doing their interpretation of "that girl with the goofy name" and Angel. 😂 And then just quick, humorous bits for most of the remainder of the episode. Fred's mother, being clutch, using her occupation to save the team, and the dad - "Son... your prop is Drippin' " 🤣 They are both often seen guests on a wide variety of TV series - the dad has even been on X-Files a couple of times. A good feel episode, finally putting to bed Fred's emotional disturbance from her years of isolation - another Epiphany! episode, and even an explanation of the cryptic conversations from the Burkles - all neatly tied up. 😊 I also find this interesting, perhaps only to me, but still... that the two stories sort of mirrored one another. The bug being mysterious, and vaguely threatening, as were Fred's parents, but, in the end, both were simply taking steps to see to the safety of their children. You yourself have maybe started another comment string, with your anticipation of more on the Angel Buffy meet up - maybe engendering another stream of entries describing the facts of 2 networks, giving the detailed history of both , when and why they were started, the various failures of both and the continuing history of their dysfunctional relationship, as with all things commercial in America, or the United States thereof. Lots of cutting and pasting... it'll probably be very fun! ... oops! Where'd this milk crate come from?🤭 Great episode, and of course another appearance of the night sky, full of stars! Always a great look! I am happy you liked this one. As always it is nice to have a pleasant story told in these episode reactions. This was a good one. Cordelia, and Fred - very quirky and funny - even Angel, getting giddy over Cordelia calling next up for multiple stab wounds 😅 Have a great Tuesday, Jules 💜🤗💜 After a very hot weekend here, I am more than happy to enjoy the return to more seasonally normal air, and am encouraging its enjoyment everywhere. I hope you too, find yourself in some peaceful season transitional comfort. Take Care. Be Well. 🥰👋

[@julesreacts]

Tom 🤗💜 honestly, it was a shame to not get more details on the Angel/Buffy meeting! I WANT TO KNOW 🤣 I still think that they are right for each other, but it does look doubtful that we will see anything else become of their relationship from here on out due to the network issues... Ah well. I'll just have to carry that little dream in my heart or read some fan fiction one day HAHA It was a great episode! I adore Fred, she's so lovely. I'm so glad that she's not gone as it was just too soon to say goodbye. I think she fits in SO nicely here, and she's incredibly intelligent! I truly hope that she stays for as long as she wants and she does not, in any way, have a bad ending 🥲 I think a LOT of complaints would be made 🤣 Enjoy your cooler day and be well yourself, dear Tom! It's been lovely here, the calm before the storm of summer 💜

[@mmattson8947]

The Lorne misdirection was a great choice. He is someone the audience has grown to trust, so it is only in hindsight that we remember that he has his own massive family baggage that could interfere with his advice for Fred.

[@JohnH.Sturgis]

Amy Acker, later on, was great in Person of Interest. Not sure it'd be up Jules' alley but it was similar to Angel if he had dealt with super-tech/Big Brother demons.

[@shaynaformity1384]

Someone must have said, what if Wes and Drusilla had a secret love child, who was sent through a dimensional portal to a dystopian New York City crime drama? That would be Root in Person of Interest. Jules, you'd love it! The first season is a bit predictable, but once more characters join the crew, it gets very interesting. I'm really glad that so many people mentioned that Amy Acker was in that show, because I enjoyed it a lot.

[@RedundantHuman-CandyBites]

“You think I’m fat”? Haha 😆

[@julesreacts]

I've noticed he's starting to care more about his appearance 🤣

[@RedundantHuman-CandyBites]

@@julesreacts 😂 I wonder if it has something to do with seeing his reflection in Pylia? Remember when he was all up in that mirror asking if his hair always looks that way. I love silly/self conscious Angel. 😳🥰

[@julesreacts]

Yes!! Maybe it's all stemmed from that 🤣

[@DocHogan]

FFFRREEEDDDDDD!!!! Also….looove this episode. One of my top 5 in the series.

[@julesreacts]

HEHE!! We all love Fred!!

[@DocHogan]

@@julesreacts ohhhh, she gets much MUCH more lovely.

[@rogertemple7193]

I really like Fred she is a very interesting character and those bug demons really are disgusting aren't they. have a great week and thanks Juliette.🍦🐈‍⬛🇦🇺

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

I think this is AA's finest ever acting moment.

[@themediater]

It's nice that someone in the Buffyverse has a nice family, it's like, Fred and Buffy basically right? I guess Oz and Giles might have a fine family life that they just don't talk about.

[@shaynaformity1384]

Giles had a tense relationship with his dutiful father. He said in Never Kill a Boy on the First Date, “I was ten years old when my father told me I was destined to be a Watcher. He was one, and his, uh, mother before him, and I was to be next. […] I had very definite plans about my future. I was going to be a fighter pilot. Or possibly a grocer. Well, uh… My father gave me a very tiresome speech about, uh, responsibility and sacrifice.” Giles's childhood and family history were fleshed out in the comics. I wouldn't say Buffy had a nice family life - her father didn't even call when Joyce died!

[@themediater]

I mean, she had Joyce though, having a single parent doesn't mean you can't have a nice life. Obviously Buffy has a whole heap of other crap going on but her mom did a lot for her. Compared to Wesley, Willow, Xander, Cordelia, etc I think Buffy had a pretty good person in her corner I guess is what I'm saying

[@Emburbujada]

Fred centric episode - count me in!

[@julesreacts]

Isn't she lovely!

[@Emburbujada]

@@julesreacts She's the cutest!

[@menachemsalomon]

I find it cute tha instead of trying to seing a song that is in any way meaningful to her, Fred picks the simplest, most irrelevant song to sing: "Row, row, row, your boat..." And Lorne winces with the first words out of her mouth. Of course, this being _Angel,_ Fred's fear is that the last few years of her life were real instead of being, like the song says, "Life is but a dream" (or a nightmare), which means that the song she picked was exactly on point.

[@havok6280]

Several comments mention Dollhouse. Highly recommend that after you finish Buffy and Angel.

[@paulhammond6978]

Yeah, I think Angel turning up and saying "I don't want to talk about it" was a bit of a meta joke about how it was impossible to do proper crossovers now that the shows were on different networks. I guess, important that we know that Angel knows that Buffy has been brought back to life, but beyond that just getting on with their own stories now.

[@julesreacts]

Mmm yes, I was a bit let down I have to say 😅 I really wanted the goss!

[@gungho1284]

It's kinda sad that we're so used to bad parents in the Buffyverse that they can easily trick us to think there's something going on with Fred's. But finally, we do actually get what I think is the only good set of parents in either show.

[@KeatonWarner1]

👍

[@amillan2004]

The reason is they were on 2 different networks. So there wasn't crossovers. It was so frustrating.

[@julesreacts]

Absolutely!! I was looking forward to it 😔

[@drb6771]

🙌🙌👋👋👏👏💖💖

[@Deadwood1919]

Fred is my 2nd-favorite in the show. Tho only there briefly, Drusilla still #1 😁

[@joselopezforque8745]

Who would Fred's parents call if they couldn't find her?, Wolfram and Hart?🤷‍♂, was it to trick us into thinking they were bad?🤷‍♂

[@AnthonyMShadows]

I think it didn't make Jules' edit, but her parents say they were gonna call the police if things went on much longer.

[@menachemsalomon]

Or the police, perhaps. If a private detective told them Fred was staying here, with all these suspicious people -- we know what those actor types can be, after all -- and they kept avoiding explaining where she was, going to the police might be a reasonable next step.

[@joselopezforque8745]

@@AnthonyMShadows For some reason I had forgotten that part

[@julesreacts]

Yeah, I definitely feel we were lead to believe the parents were dodgy! Good old tricks... I always fall for them 🤣

[@arthurcamargo8416]

Reality can be hard to deal with without having monsters and beings from other worlds introduced. No wonder Fred ran away! It was easier to deal with the fantasy of it all rather than the actuality of it. That is why she ran, and why she was crushing on Angel, for that matter. Now that she has had a chance to reconcile her life and parents, I think she will be ok. I do wonder if there is something supernatural about her parents, though.... They seemed awfully even keeled for parents who haven't seen their daughter in 5 years!! It's one thing to not visit... it is quite another to go missing! Maybe they are demonic after all? I am enjoying your comments and I have to say... don't feel bad about following the red herrings! There were certainly quite a few intentionally well placed ones in this episode, including Fred demanding for her parents to turn the car around! I thought Angel and Co were going to have to save Fred from her "parents"!! Lots of fun though! Thank you!

[@pixy-onewing]

❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍

[@biffstrong1079]

OO Love Fredless. I know you are going to be disappointed by the entire Buffy-Angel meet off stage. I think by now the two shows were on two different networks and for a few special episodes they manage to create some cross pollination, the casual mixing of the two shows is mostly over. They exist in the same universe but are running on their different tracks LA and Hellmouth Sunnydale. I think Joss had it saved as something he could possibly revisit in another episode. I do Love Wesley's and Cordelia's vicious dissection of the Angel-Buffy relationship which was about where I was at with that relationship at the end. Handsome Man saves Her.

[@julesreacts]

Yeah, I was definitely disappointed we didn't see them meet! I should have known due to the network issues. I just REALLY wanted to know what happened 🤣

[@spoonfuloflizzie]

When are you getting back into the X Files? It's been a while since the last episode, are you not continuing with it?

[@julesreacts]

I'm not sure when, I honestly couldn't keep up with everything and needed to put myself first for a change as doing too much was affecting my mental and physical health 🥲

[@DocHogan]

@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 didn’t get a chance to read your whole response before you deleted your comment, but…yeah, REALLY hard not to throw spoilers about those two characters (each being my favorite character iterations in their respective series).

[@julesreacts]

I'm glad I didn't see it!

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

By the way, the meeting between Angel and Buffy that wasn't in either show was actually told in a comic book.

[@julesreacts]

OH!! I need those comics 😭

[@Nexusofgeek]

I know I am in the minority but I don't like this episode and usually i skip it on rewatches. I think it's because of the parents, they bug me. Can't put my finger on it but they bug me. No pun intended